From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 11 Nov 2002 23:44:19 -0000 Issue 548 Date: Monday, November 11, 2002 3:44 PM krnet Digest 11 Nov 2002 23:44:19 -0000 Issue 548 Topics (messages 13139 through 13168): KR-1 wing 13139 by: Gary W. Haun 13140 by: Robert X. Cringely KR2S wing 13141 by: Justin 13145 by: Phillip Matheson 13151 by: Justin 13153 by: Justin 13155 by: Mark Langford KR-1, Robert 13142 by: Gary W. Haun Belly board Question 13143 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout 13150 by: larry flesner question for steve anderson 13144 by: jim . synergy design VW twin outlet oil tower 13146 by: Brian Kraut Re: What changed 13147 by: Al Friesen Post of this week 13148 by: Daniel Heath Revmaster for sale 13149 by: Rick Wilson Nose Gear 13152 by: Bob Sauer 13154 by: Ronevogt.aol.com 13161 by: Rick Wilson HELP! 13156 by: Ricky Farley gross weight 13157 by: larry flesner 13158 by: larry flesner KRweight 13159 by: The Ainsworths 13160 by: gleone 13162 by: Rick Wilson 13163 by: Robert Stone 13165 by: David Mullins 13166 by: larry flesner Mr Shirley's wing 13164 by: ronald j willliams 13167 by: Stephen P. Glover KR nose gear 13168 by: Bryan and Avril Valentine Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:30:13 -0500 To: From: "Gary W. Haun" Subject: KR-1 wing Message-ID: <000b01c288ce$1097a790$c78cde0c@haun4> ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C288A4.27C19F90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert, =20 Read my post again. Total span at the forward spars not counting wingtips is 184" or 15' 4"=20 This is directly from the plans. 59 =BD=94 + 65=94 + 59 =BD=94 forward = spar lengths. I think Mark wanted to know these dimensions since I bought a set of TET templates. Any wing tip added to those dimensions would add to the wingspan.=20 I don=92t dispute that the brochure or web page lists 17=92 including wingtips or you have a 19=92 KR-1. You can=92t dispute the fact that the stock forward spars, built to the plans and=20 laid end to end are 184=94 total in length. =20 It=92s interesting to compare the factory published figures for the various KR=92S, SoneraiI, AR-1, and Cassutt. The KR-1 is the most short-coupled but does not have the shortest wingspan. =20 =20 Gary W. Haun KR-1 #5985 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C288A4.27C19F90-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 07:34:26 -0800 To: From: "Robert X. Cringely" Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 wing Message-Id: Sorry, my mistake. Bob At 10:30 AM -0500 11/10/02, Gary W. Haun wrote: >Robert, > > > >Read my post again. > >Total span at the forward spars not counting wingtips is 184" or 15' 4" > >This is directly from the plans. 59 =BD=94 + 65=94 + 59 =BD=94 forward spar >lengths. > >I think Mark wanted to know these dimensions since I bought a set of TET >templates. > >Any wing tip added to those dimensions would add to the wingspan. > >I don=92t dispute that the brochure or web page lists 17=92 including >wingtips or you have a 19=92 KR-1. > >You can=92t dispute the fact that the stock forward spars, built to the >plans and > >laid end to end are 184=94 total in length. > > > >It=92s interesting to compare the factory published figures for the >various KR=92S, SoneraiI, AR-1, and Cassutt. > >The KR-1 is the most short-coupled but does not have the shortest >wingspan. > > > >Gary W. Haun > >KR-1 #5985 > > -- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 08:19:06 -0600 To: "KR" From: "Justin" Subject: KR2S wing Message-ID: <001a01c288c4$21353d60$e8dd1818@socal.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C28891.D6793BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is the KR2S wing any different than a KR2 wing. If I install wingtanks = then I dont see how I could ever really fill them up before im over = gross. With full fuel in the header tank and a passenger the airplane = will be at gross so how would the fuel tanks in the wings be used? Wont = performance suffer drasticly including cruise speed ? Justin KR2S just finshed drawing out plans ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C28891.D6793BA0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:55:06 +1100 To: "KR" From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> KR2S wing Message-ID: <004501c28903$da6737e0$0100a8c0@barry> An Aussie (John Martindale) who has a KR2S with a Covair engine, told me with two people and max fuel he will only be able to fly for 1 hour. Also number of builders in Australia are building Corby Starlets, Their motto is "He Who Flies Along Flies fastest" The Kr's do have a gross weight problem, with full wing tanks and two on board, But if you are flying along you may be able to use all the fuel. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 NSW Australia. See our VW engines at; www.vw-engines.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:04:41 -0600 To: "KR" From: "Justin" Subject: Re: KR> KR2S wing Message-ID: <001001c2891e$510fa840$fa91aeac@aoldsl.net> What happends to a KR when it is flown overgross? If the engine is very powerful (corvair) im sure it could climb out withotu a problem just cruising speed would be rather slow. Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Matheson" To: "KR" Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 3:55 PM Subject: Re: KR> KR2S wing > An Aussie (John Martindale) who has a KR2S with a Covair engine, told me > with two people and max fuel he will only be able to fly for 1 hour. > > Also number of builders in Australia are building Corby Starlets, Their > motto is > "He Who Flies Along Flies fastest" > The Kr's do have a gross weight problem, with full wing tanks and two on > board, > But if you are flying along you may be able to use all the fuel. > > Phil Matheson > matheson@dodo.com.au > 61 3 58833588 > NSW > Australia. > See our VW engines at; > www.vw-engines.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:17:08 -0600 To: "KR" From: "Justin" Subject: Re: Re: KR> KR2S wing Message-ID: <000901c28928$6fed1220$e8dd1818@socal.rr.com> A corvair powered KR will be ABOUT the same weight as a type 4 VW engine but with 20% more HP. Now I would imange you could take off with full fuel (header,and wing tanks) and a passenger whiel still aceiving 160mph cruise with 800FPM climb without a doubt. Any commets on that? Justin KR2S laying out wood ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Justin" Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: KR> KR2S wing take off roll will be longer Climb out will be very slow and your stall speed may increase depending on were most of your weight is to much aft and stall recovery may be impossible you can have a jet engine hanging on the nose but if your over weight your flying at risk fuel burn will be much higher proformance will be poor remember it takes more power to climb then cruise to much weight forward and the plane may not climb and don't forget the stress on the airframe landing a over weight plane could csuse landing gear failure or even prop strikes. it is always best to fly the plane within its normal limits. T J -- --- Original Message ----- From: Justin Sent: 11/10/2002 8:04:41 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KR2S wing > What happends to a KR when it is flown overgross? If the engine is very > powerful (corvair) im sure it could climb out withotu a problem just > cruising speed would be rather slow. > > Justin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phillip Matheson" > To: "KR" > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 3:55 PM > Subject: Re: KR> KR2S wing > > > > An Aussie (John Martindale) who has a KR2S with a Covair engine, told me > > with two people and max fuel he will only be able to fly for 1 hour. > > > > Also number of builders in Australia are building Corby Starlets, Their > > motto is > > "He Who Flies Along Flies fastest" > > The Kr's do have a gross weight problem, with full wing tanks and two on > > board, > > But if you are flying along you may be able to use all the fuel. > > > > Phil Matheson > > matheson@dodo.com.au > > 61 3 58833588 > > NSW > > Australia. > > See our VW engines at; > > www.vw-engines.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 06:42:06 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> KR2S wing Message-ID: <002301c2897f$beb68600$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> Justin wrote: > What happends to a KR when it is flown overgross? If the engine is very > powerful (corvair) im sure it could climb out withotu a problem just > cruising speed would be rather slow. I know of one "dead stock" KR2 with an O-200 that weighs over 800 pounds empty, has wing tanks, and pushes 1400 pounds routinely when carrying a passenger, which is quite often. It tops out level at almost 200 mph, and pulls 5g's on a regular basis with passenger. I never noticed it having a hard time climbing either! It now has well over 1500 rigorous hours on it. I'm not condoning it, just telling you the facts. Weight isn't nearly the speed killer that some would have you believe. General consensus amoung KR pilots is that adding a 180 pound passenger might slow you down 5 mph. If you want to go fast, build it aerodynamically clean, and put a lot of power in the nose. Some will argue that was not what the KR was designed for, but I suspect that if Ken were with us today, his would be one of the fastest. That's the beauty of the KR... you can build it low and slow with an 1835cc VW, or you can make it a 200 mph hotrod. It's entirely your choice. The 0-200 and the Corvair weigh almost the same, in full dress, yet you can get higher, cheaper, smoother, and more reliable power out of a Corvair, but that's just my humble opinion. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailo:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:47:51 -0500 To: From: "Gary W. Haun" Subject: KR-1, Robert Message-ID: <000001c288d8$e8e488c0$c78cde0c@haun4> ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C288AF.0010F1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert, did you alter your KR-1 fuselage? I think other newbies like me might be interested in KR-1 mods. With the many changes I've seen on the 2's I've decided a lengthened KR-1 was what I desired. Mine should be close to the published specs for a Sonerai I or a Cassutt. I've been reading and re-reading the archieves and have picked up tons of useful information. I would like anyone who changed from a tapered wing to a rectangular wing to contact me on or off the net. Gary W. Haun KR-1 #5985 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C288AF.0010F1C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:48:44 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Subject: Belly board Question Message-ID: <20021110.124846.-264787.0.klw1953@juno.com> I came up with what seems to be a workable design that I have room for in 6399U. I'm leaning towards a single cable that runs under the seat to activate the brake's torque tube that is mounted to the rear face of the rear spar. This is what I'm not sure of-------if I go with a spring return system to the back side of the brake are there any abnormally high forces to open the brake in the retracted position due to the air flowing over it that 2 springs may not be able to overcome?--------------Thanks ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:28:34 -0600 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Belly board Question Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021110182834.008c9100@mail.midwest.net> At 12:48 PM 11/10/02 -0500, Kenneth L Wiltrout wrote: -------if I go with a spring >return system to the back side of the brake are there any abnormally high >forces to open the brake in the retracted position due to the air flowing >over it that 2 springs may not be able to overcome?--------------Thanks +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I'm GUESSING the only thing you need the springs to do is to hold the speed brake up against the fuselage when the aircraft is setting on the ramp. The slipstream airflow in motion will hold it against the belly. Although in a totally different airflow pattern, the flaps on my Tripacer are spring loaded to the up position. With the tail into the wind on the ramp, if the wind is more than ten mph and a bit gusty, you need to park with the flaps pulled down or they set and flap (no pun intended) in the wind. I'm just pointing out the lightweight springs used. I'm assuming your board is located well enough forward to still be in a high pressure area. I doubt if it would "float" away from the fuselage even if in a low pressure area given it's size. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:31:52 -0800 To: From: "jim @ synergy design" Subject: question for steve anderson Message-ID: <000f01c288ef$d3c8aae0$0101a8c0@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C288AC.C4574000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve, I have a question about your landing gear after I saw pics of = your project. Please contact me off the kr net. Jim Sporka = synergydesign@sopris.net Thanks. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C288AC.C4574000-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:20:56 -0500 To: krnet From: Brian Kraut Subject: VW twin outlet oil tower Message-ID: <3DCEE9D8.7070107@earthlink.net> I have lost the instructions to the twin outlet oil tower from Great Plains. Does anyone know if you are supposed to use only the thick gasket that comes with it or if you are supposed to use some of the rubber bushings that come with the gaskets also. The rubber bushings don't seem to be long enough with the tower. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:03:29 -0800 To: , "Kenneth L Wiltrout" From: "Al Friesen" Subject: Re: KR> What changed Message-ID: <004301c28905$46333cc0$79cb6cce@s8z8i0> Kenny wrote, Doesn't make sense Al, but then again I'm having my own problems with the Revflow on my 2100. Since it got cold I'm bending the leaf spring inside the carb, this must be due to icing, I never used carb heat before, but I do now. You said the timing is correct, I would think a lean condition is the culprit. Are you sure the mixture cable is in the same position at full throttle? In other words-------is the carb at full throttle when the knob is all the way in? If not you could be lean on take off and not know it. Good luck and keep us posted.--------------------Kenny Kenny, Carb controls are working good. Al All, I did an annual on the engine yesterday. Ifound the plug gap at 25 to 28 thousand, corrected to 16 thou. Did a static compression test, 76,79,79,79,over 80. the high temps didn't do any damage. By the way all the plugs are black as coal. Mag timing was on TDC both firing and mag impulse release. Took a flight and still had to use rich mix (rich near rough running then lean a bit) and a little carb heat. Question?????? What is inside the mixture area of the carb, i.e., "O" rings etc? How does it do the job of controlling mixture? Has anyone had this area apart? The fuel deflector that I put in manifold aft of the carb fuel entry might be out of adjustment as the left side cyl show a faster heat buildup. On level flight I get the temps within range, 1050 egt, 375 to 400 cht. My static runup is 2900 rpm with a 55 x 45 prop. Full out 3200 rpm 160 indicated. The temps build up so I don't do it very long. Mark, I should have stated the mag running advance at 25 degrees. Al To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:23:24 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Post of this week Message-Id: <3DCF22AC.000003.01504@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_0R6EG6G0000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_0R6EBHK0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_0R6EBHK0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, we have done a lot in the last two weeks and I was going to do my usual and inundate you with pictures. However, today, Jerry told me that= I take too many pictures and I took that as a hint that maybe I should try = to be more specific with the post of this week ( 2 weeks ).=0D =0D So, I made a special page for just the pictures for this post. I'm not going to take less pictures.=0D =0D So, if you click on this link, you will go directly, while not passing GO= , to the pictures that summarize what we have been up to for the last two weeks.=0D =0D http://kr-builder.org/WeeksPost/index.html=0D See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath=0D =0D See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_0R6EBHK0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:48:29 -0800 To: "kr" From: "Bob Sauer" Subject: Nose Gear Message-ID: <004d01c28935$5d6a1320$1796bbd0@home> ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C288F2.2485B200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am to the point that I need to acquire a nose gear. Can anyone using = an 0-200 or Corvair suggest an alternative to Diehl? I know of George = Toth from Texas, that had his own nose gear, but donot know what = success he met with. Thanks, Bob Sauer Las Vegas From: resauer@softcom.net ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C288F2.2485B200-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:13:03 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Ronevogt@aol.com Subject: Nosegear Message-ID: <11b.19a137db.2b00965f@aol.com> --part1_11b.19a137db.2b00965f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you want a stronger nosegear, why don't you just use the Diehl design as a guide and build it out of stronger components. (It looks like Diehl copied Grumman). I am using a Diehl nosegear with a Subaru engine. I added some structural components to the top of the Diehl gear that are incorporated into the lower part of the engine mount. It is considerably stronger...and a few pounds heavier. The original Diehl design didn't look to me like it would ever support a VW engine. RV --part1_11b.19a137db.2b00965f_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 07:59:33 -0800 (PST) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: Rick Wilson Subject: nose gear Message-ID: <20021111155933.19998.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com> Take a look at how Billy Mcfarland strengthened his nose gear. He has the Diehl type but he added a brace on the aft side of the curved section of the leg, also he wrote an email to me and said he filled the hollow leg with epoxy and milled glass fibers. This would make it almost like a fiberglass leg coated with steel. He has pictures of his plane on the krnet site. You have to look close but you can see the brace he added. Maybe this will help. Best regards, Rick Wilson. rwdw2002@yahoo.com KR2-0200 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:00:17 -0600 To: From: "Ricky Farley" Subject: HELP! Message-ID: <00c801c2898a$ad636660$6801a8c0@ENTERPRISE> ------=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C28958.62C8F660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Last night while trying to get the two sides of my fuse onto the table in the right shape to start building the boat, I did the unthinkable. I put too much pressure while trying to force it to bend and heard the top (next to the table) longeron break. There is no outward sign that it broke other than when I pulled it off the table it does not appear to be as strong in that spot (aka it bends with little pressure), but I=92m = sure that it gave. This happened about 2 =BD inches behind station =93I=94 = and there is no sign of damage to the plywood skin or the spruce at station =93I=94. =20 My question is what do I do about it. The way I see it, I can: =20 1. Spend a lot of money and rebuild that side completely (new plywood with shipping makes this not the option I want to take). =20 2. Try to grind out the entire top longeron and replace it (lots of work and not sure I can do it accurately enough=85 =20 3. Try to fix the break (the option I=92m leaning towards at this = point) =20 To do option three at this point, here is what I propose. Grind out the top longeron approximately two inches before and two inches after the break in such a manor that I can put a new piece of spruce in to replace it. I would cut it out in such a way that I would be scarfing the new piece into it=92s place. Then, when I get to the point where I put the auxiliary longeron in place, I would extend it one bay so that it goes from the firewall back to halfway between station =93J=94 and =93K=94 = instead of ending halfway between station =93I=94 and =93J=94. Once that part is = in place, follow up with a few layers of glass tying the original longeron, the scarfed in piece, the auxiliary longeron and the plywood skin all together. =20 Thoughts from anyone (especially if you have experience in this arena) =20 Ricky KR2S San Angelo Tx=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C28958.62C8F660-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:39:27 -0600 To: From: larry flesner Subject: gross weight Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021111083927.00892ad0@mail.midwest.net> >Justin wrote: >> What happends to a KR when it is flown overgross? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Mark Langford wrote: >I know of one "dead stock" KR2 with an O-200 that weighs over 800 pounds >empty, has wing tanks, and pushes 1400 pounds routinely when carrying a >passenger, which is quite often. It tops out level at almost 200 mph, and >pulls 5g's on a regular basis with passenger. I never noticed it having a >hard time climbing either! It now has well over 1500 rigorous hours on it. >I'm not condoning it, just telling you the facts. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ That's where we luck out big time in the U.S. License it at a gross weigh where you are legal when you add that passenger. Many countrys won't let the builder go over the gross weight that the plans state. Just don't get so carried away here that you end up pulling the wings off in flight. What's the point in being "legally" right and "dead" wrong! Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:42:48 -0600 To: From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> gross weight Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021111084248.008a4100@mail.midwest.net> >Just don't get so carried away here that you end up pulling >the wings off in flight. What's the point in being "legally" >right and "dead" wrong! >Larry Flesner ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Also remember that whatever your gross weight is the C.G. still has to be right! Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:19:07 -0500 To: "krnet" From: "The Ainsworths" Subject: KRweight Message-ID: <001701c28995$ae2e5680$a924cdd1@garyains> ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C2896B.C48742E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Up here , your northern cousins, can't go over gross...so I am going to = ask a stupid question with the following paraphrasing: the EAA = counsellor and a good pilot and builder hates composite and corvairs. = They are all 'rag and tube' or aluminum or wood etc builders and Lyc = and Cont. at this location.... Has anyone ever built an aluminum KR2 = over a 4130 tube frame? =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C2896B.C48742E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:42:38 -0600 To: The Ainsworths From: gleone CC: krnet Subject: Re: KR> KRweight Message-ID: <3DCFC1DE.2354F2F9@tritel.net> --------------95F95A5DC3CEC161A9D58A25 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd look for another counselor as this one seems to have his head up and locked, if you catch my meaning. The Ainsworths wrote: > Up here , your northern cousins, can't go over gross...so I am going to ask a stupid question with the following paraphrasing: the EAA counsellor and a good pilot and builder hates composite and corvairs. They are all 'rag and tube' or aluminum or wood etc builders and Lyc and Cont. at this location.... Has anyone ever built an aluminum KR2 over a 4130 tube frame? --------------95F95A5DC3CEC161A9D58A25-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:10:21 -0800 (PST) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: Rick Wilson Subject: Re: KR> KRweight Message-ID: <20021111161021.10012.qmail@web21209.mail.yahoo.com> I believe if I were you, I'd find another counselor. This one sounds like he wants you to build the airplane he wants instead of your own. In the end you are the one who needs to be happy with what you've built. Good Luck, Rick Wilson. rwdw2002@yahoo.com KR2-0200 --- The Ainsworths wrote: > Up here , your northern cousins, can't go over > gross...so I am going to ask a stupid question with > the following paraphrasing: the EAA counsellor and a > good pilot and builder hates composite and corvairs. > They are all 'rag and tube' or aluminum or wood etc > builders and Lyc and Cont. at this location.... Has > anyone ever built an aluminum KR2 over a 4130 tube > frame? > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:36:06 -0600 To: "The Ainsworths" , "krnet" From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> KRweight Message-ID: <001801c289a0$6f8a4320$05d81a18@hot.rr.com> I don't know where "Your northern cousins" live but in the rest of the world we are able to recognize something new and superior. The designers of military and civilian aircraft are using composite parts in their aircraft so it must be superior to other materials in certain applications. There is a religious group known as the Amish who still use a horse and buggy to get around, this does not mean that the automobile is inferior. It's just their belief that anything modern is against their religion to use. I guess they are unable to figure out the at one time the buggy was new and modern. So was the wheel. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Ainsworths" To: "krnet" Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 9:19 AM Subject: KR> KRweight Up here , your northern cousins, can't go over gross...so I am going to ask a stupid question with the following paraphrasing: the EAA counsellor and a good pilot and builder hates composite and corvairs. They are all 'rag and tube' or aluminum or wood etc builders and Lyc and Cont. at this location.... Has anyone ever built an aluminum KR2 over a 4130 tube frame? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:02:55 -0500 To: krnet From: David Mullins Subject: Re: KR> KRweight Message-ID: <3DCFFEDE.A6802D7E@attbi.com> Some of my chapter members seem to remember an all metal KR. I think they said it is someplace in Ohio now. Dave Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire The Ainsworths wrote: > Up here , your northern cousins, can't go over gross...so I am going to ask a stupid question with the following paraphrasing: the EAA counsellor and a good pilot and builder hates composite and corvairs. They are all 'rag and tube' or aluminum or wood etc builders and Lyc and Cont. at this location.... Has anyone ever built an aluminum KR2 over a 4130 tube frame? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:40:06 -0600 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: kr weight Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021111164006.008a65a0@mail.midwest.net> >At 10:19 AM 11/11/02 -0500, The Ainsworths wrote: >: the EAA counsellor and a good pilot and builder hates composite and >corvairs. They are all 'rag and tube' or aluminum or wood etc builders and >Lyc and Cont. at this location. >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ We tend to fear what we don't know or understand. Sounds like an education program is in order here. You might start with a KR Gathering video to get his receptive juices flowing and then some good sessions with someone knowledgable in the foam and glass areas that has some good samples to show him. An airplane would be nice! Do you have any airboats up there with Corvair engines on them you could show him or Corvair "buffs" in the area to explain what great engines they are ? A good sales job and you may have HIM building a KR! :-) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:38:39 -0500 To: "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: ronald j willliams Subject: Mr Shirley's wing Message-ID: <3DCFDD0E.B5B546C0@bellsouth.net> I think a question was asked about Mr Shirley's wing, but not answered. I also would like to know about his wing. How is it built [same as the KR-1 wing ?] does it have flaps, wooden spar? Does anybody have any information about his wing? Jim W ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:36:01 -0800 To: "ronald j willliams" , From: "Stephen P. Glover" Subject: Re: KR> Mr Shirley's wing Message-ID: <00a501c289db$186c2960$c18afea9@IntelliSpec> Hello Netter's, Richard has always liked the Mooney designs and has modeled some of the components on his KR-1 after them. His rudder pedal assembly, for example, was taken from an older M-20. As far as the wing, the main spar is wood and basically a KR design with minor mods. I believe he has zero dihedral. There are no flaps. The ailerons are activated by push-pull tubes in the outer panels. The push pull tube from the bellcrank in the wing connects directly to the stick (1 tube). The outer panels are only 5" in length with a removable 18" tip. The main spar length is 8' to stay within the maximum allowable width for transport without a permit. The rear spar has been modified to accommodate the tapered wing and is "bent" in the center of the fuselage. The airfoil started out as a Mooney airfoil but was modified to one of Richard's own design (I think that is what he told me). The area is around 52 - 54 sq. ft.. Once my KR-2 is in the air (just interior and paint left), I will be back working on my KR-1. We are going to install the new KR airfoil on it with a 50% taper and area of about 58 sq ft. I will have dihedral on this one though. The fuselage will be enlarged slightly to make it a bit more comfortable for long flights. It will have P-51 style electric retracts and most likely a 2180VW. Richard wants to ad an 0200 instead so it could be interesting. Regards, Steve Glover Rancho Santa Margarita, Ca. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ronald j willliams" To: Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 8:38 AM Subject: KR> Mr Shirley's wing > I think a question was asked about Mr Shirley's wing, but not > answered. I also would like to know about his wing. How is it built > [same as the KR-1 wing ?] does it have flaps, wooden spar? Does anybody > have any information about his wing? > Jim W > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:44:37 -0800 To: From: "Bryan and Avril Valentine" Subject: KR nose gear Message-ID: <001101c289dc$4c839f20$2629efcc@m3k1t8> Greetings All Just a quick question for those that are using the Diehl tri gear set up. I need to know what you are using for a front wheel and what size of tire to go with it. Thanks in advance Val ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************