From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 5 Dec 2002 15:40:41 -0000 Issue 564 Date: Thursday, December 05, 2002 7:41 AM krnet Digest 5 Dec 2002 15:40:41 -0000 Issue 564 Topics (messages 13522 through 13546): Re: Elevator weight 13522 by: Phillip Matheson 13523 by: Phillip Matheson Re: Tennessee Terror 13524 by: RCTRVLR.aol.com just to say thanks 13525 by: Bdazzcamro.aol.com Re: Another Landing Gear Question 13526 by: Richard Parker 13539 by: GARYKR2.cs.com 13543 by: Ron Eason Re: Gravity Feed 13527 by: Serge Vidal 13540 by: GARYKR2.cs.com vw to 0200 13528 by: larry flesner O-200 mount 13529 by: larry flesner 13537 by: Flymaca711689.aol.com Re: GPS's 13530 by: Ross Youngblood 13531 by: Ross Youngblood 13534 by: Deems Herring 13536 by: Phil Maley Re: "Wetting out" 13532 by: Ross Youngblood Off Topic (Computer Viruses) 13533 by: Ross Youngblood 13535 by: Dan Heath Re: Rednecked Pilot 13538 by: Ron Eason Index of Newsletters 13541 by: T. M. Rusnak Re: GPS's and power supply 13542 by: Serge Vidal 13545 by: gleone Bob Sauer 13544 by: Mark Jones Landing gear Question? 13546 by: RCTRVLR.aol.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:43:26 +1100 To: From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Elevator weight Message-ID: <001401c29b47$4e1e7f40$6296dccb@Matheson> ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C29BA3.80C71360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dan ,=20 Sorry but the elevator is 12 # on it's own. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 See our engines at:=20 http://www.vw-engines.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C29BA3.80C71360-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:51:36 +1100 To: From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Elevator weight Message-ID: <003601c29b48$722e9040$6296dccb@Matheson> Thanks Mark. That should mean that the elevator should be around 6# ? But my elevator is 12# on it's own. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 See our engines at: http://www.vw-engines.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:15:55 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: RCTRVLR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Tennessee Terror Message-ID: <149.4011628.2b1edb7b@aol.com> --part1_149.4011628.2b1edb7b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You offered too much,,, a hundred bucks and a cigar... --part1_149.4011628.2b1edb7b_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:36:45 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Bdazzcamro@aol.com Subject: just to say thanks Message-ID: <44.2a3a84f8.2b1ee05d@aol.com> --part1_44.2a3a84f8.2b1ee05d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just wanted to say thanks to all the guys that wrote back on my questions. On like most people I dont just jump and go and buy an airplane I research first. Just to let Bill and Larry for being smart, I dont have plans or a book to refer to. I am going completely on Marks manual online to find out whats all involved. But thanks again Im sure I will have more questions to ask in the future. David Swanson (soon to be flier) Tucson AZ --part1_44.2a3a84f8.2b1ee05d_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 12:55:24 +0000 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR> Another Landing Gear Question Message-ID: I tried welding up some 1/8 4130 to form a bracket and it warped like mad. granted my welding skills were rusty. You might want draw up your braket and bring it to a good welder and see if they think they can do it without warping. Rich Parker Peterborough, NH richontheroad@hotmail.com >From: GARYKR2@cs.com >Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org >To: krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: KR> Another Landing Gear Question >Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:56:01 EST > > First off, I would like to thank all who answered my question for the >Diehl leg length. > Now I need to know what the height and width of the mounting bracket >for >the gear leg is. I'm switching over to fixed gear. The bracket will be made >out of 4130. > Instead of fiberglass legs, I'm using the retract aluminum bar cut to >length. > Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. > garykr2@cs.com > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:53:04 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Re: KR> Another Landing Gear Question Message-ID: <20.3c5231d.2b200b80@cs.com> In a message dated 12/4/02 7:56:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, richontheroad@hotmail.com writes: << I tried welding up some 1/8 4130 to form a bracket and it warped like mad. >> A lot of it has to do with how you preheat the metal. Also I grew up learning to weld on thin wall tubing. My grandfather was a welder by trade and started building airplanes in the 30's. I learned a lot from him. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 04:37:58 -0800 To: From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Another Landing Gear Question Message-Id: <200212050437.AA449118500@jrl-engineering.com> Start out by skip welding the joints then go back and finish the remainder. KRRon ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------From: GARYKR2@cs. Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:53:04 EST >In a message dated 12/4/02 7:56:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, >richontheroad@hotmail.com writes: > ><< I tried welding up some 1/8 4130 to form a bracket and it warped like mad. >>> > > A lot of it has to do with how you preheat the metal. Also I grew up >learning to weld on thin wall tubing. My grandfather was a welder by trade >and started building airplanes in the 30's. I learned a lot from him. > Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. > garykr2@cs.com > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > -- Ronald R. Eason Sr. Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. 816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO. Jim Eason V.P, 770-446-1291, Atlanta, Georgia Web Page: www.jrl-engineering.com -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:30:52 +0200 To: From: "Serge Vidal" Subject: RE: KR> Gravity Feed Message-ID: <001d01c29ba4$cb017f50$e100a8c0@sergevidal12> Thanks for the input, Gary! How low is your carb with regards to the tank? Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Johannesburg, South Africa -----Original Message----- From: GARYKR2@cs.com [mailto:GARYKR2@cs.com] Sent: 04 December 2002 01:35 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Gravity Feed In a message dated 12/3/02 3:25:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, svidal@icon.co.za writes: << I know at least one example of a low wing plane that was recently flown for the first time (a Zenith, I think), with the same configuration as the KR2 (1 header tank), and purely gravity fed. >> My "2" has been flying since 1977 with only gravity feed. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:57:20 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Re: KR> Gravity Feed Message-ID: <6b.3918412.2b200c80@cs.com> In a message dated 12/4/02 9:58:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, svidal@icon.co.za writes: << How low is your carb with regards to the tank? >> The float bowl bottom is even with the bottom of the firewall. I might have 1 1/2 feet of head. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 10:35:41 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: vw to 0200 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021204103541.008b6540@mail.midwest.net> >Looking for photos of 0200 installation and necessary modifications. I heard >that possibly the revmaster mount will work? also is the c85 c65 change the >same. >Mac n1055a +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Mac, I don't have any photos but there may be some of Marty's 0-200 on Mark Langford's site under the Gathering photos. I'll share what info I can. I'm GUESSING the C65 and C85 will all fit the same mount. First off, my 0-200 is on a VW mount that I was told is a HAPI mount. Marty is using the same mount and maybe Jean Vernon could confirm this. I mounted mine on 1" spacers on the firewall for better C.G. and to help my pull type starter clear the firewall. Marty replaced (or modified) the oil tank on his engine with the smaller unit from either a C85 or C65. I'm using the stock tank for the 0-200 along with the original carb heat box, etc. The standard alternator will not work on the HAPI mount. I'm using a B & C unit. Marty made an adaptor to use a Nippendenso unit but I've not been able to get the drawing from him. I'd like to go that route. Standard 0-200 mufflers/exhaust are to large to use. I purchased an 0-200 cowl from Dan Diehl at the same time as Jeff Scott. I had to add 2" to the length, widen it at the front cylinders, add several inches to the nose to accomedate a 5" prop extention (I now have a "shark" nose), cut out and re-do the entire bottom center section, and added to bumps to clear the front top plugs. Some photos are on Mark Langford's web page. Jeff Scott is using a Continental mount and I recall he said he had to lengthen his cowl about four inches. Jeff Scott and I both have 30" Diehl legs and have plenty of ground clearance for a 60" prop. Marty has the standard 24" legs and his ground clearance for the prop is marginal. He must be very careful on T.O. and landings. That's about all I can share except that you're not looking at a weekend project. I installed my 0-200 from scratch so I have no idea what C.G. changes will be, etc. With electric start count on a 235 pound installed weight and do the math. I've seen numbers as low as 188 pounds for an 0-200 but that is a pipe dream. 188 pounds is a "dry", no accessory weight. That engine won't run, let alone fly. Then you have the larger prop, spinner, etc. With the changes to the cowl,etc., you will be hanging 240 to 250 pounds up front. This info is not intended to discourage you but just a reality check. Good luck. Now out to clear some fresh snow off my daughters car and back to the shop for some sanding. Larry Flesner flesner@midwest.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 13:06:25 -0600 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: O-200 mount Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021204130625.00897b10@mail.midwest.net> Netters, I'm forwarding an e-mail reply from Jeff Scott with certain info deleted per his request. I hope Jeff doesn't mind as I thought his info was useful to 0-200 hopefuls. If any of you would like to contact Jeff, get back to me and I'll forward your request to him. Please reply to me personally and not back to the krnet. My address is flesner@midwest.net Larry Flesner ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >I'm not on the KRNet, but sometimes read the web version if I have some >spare time at work. > >I guess Mark took the pictures of my C-85 and mount off his web site, but >I've probably got a copy somewhere. There are a couple of glimpses of >Marty's and my O-200 installations on the Red Oak 2002 picture page. > >I bought a HAPI mount, then concluded it was not usable for my installation >despite the fact that Marty, Jean, you and others have them. It didn't fit >over my old Eiseman mags, nor did it leave sufficient clearance for >maintenance. I bought a mount from RR that they advertised as their O-200 >mount. By comparison, the O-200 mount bolts to the firewall out near the >longerons instead of in the middle of the firewall. It is also >substantially longer leaving enough room for maintenance. The RR mount >also has an interference problem between the alternator and a cross brace >in the mount. I use the 20 amp Delco generator (that came on my C-85) on >my O-200 as it clears the mount, but there is sufficient room to use the 35 >amp generator that comes on the older O-200s. > >Rumor has it that RR no longer sells this mount; however I do have the >engineering drawings for it that I will happily email to anyone that requests. > >The A-65 through the O-200 all fit the same mount. The O-200 has different >mounting cushions from the rest, but can be adapted to the smaller grommets >if necessary by purchasing a set of adapters through the Luscombe >Foundation in Chandler, AZ. > >Please do not give out this email address, but if Mac wishes to contact me, >have him email me at (deleted) >My KR has been grounded for the last month and will be down until sometime >later this winter. I shipped my prop back to the manufacturer to have it >finished. Fed Ex ground managed to destroy the prop in transit, so I'm >grounded until I get a new prop built. In the mean time, Fed Ex hasn't >shown any inclination to pay off on the insured amount. > >Regards, > >Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:37:37 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Flymaca711689@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> O-200 mount Message-ID: <142.431bf1f.2b1ff9d1@aol.com> --part1_142.431bf1f.2b1ff9d1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff love to get um i can weld so it will save money. how much was the Rand mount? not that it matters if they don't supply it any way if you can email me the blueprintes that will make chrismas if you still have photos that be helpfull allso with fire wall arrangement its just a matter of getting deal on a power plant 2500 3500 dollers than you need a prop what are you guys using and who is supply you thanks Mac n1055a Billy mcfarland (Mac) flymaca711689@aol .com --part1_142.431bf1f.2b1ff9d1_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:23:56 -0800 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR> GPS's Message-Id: Scott, You probably have gotten a lot of replies. If you are going to buy a non aviation unit, don't speend over $200... I think you can get a good aviation unit for around $300-400. The GPS recievers in these units may be nearly the same, but in many cases the aviation GPS units are better as they have to compute location at faster distances. Some $125 units you can get will work fine in a Cessna 152 (<100Knots), but will crap out if you are going fast in a tail wind... and they will loose their mind, not expecting to be re-calculating distances this rapidly. You might have to stop and circle periodicly with these units to re-acquire your location. Consider that boaters and hikers will not be speeding over the landscape over about 30 knots. Also, aviation units have aviation data bases. I spent $1000 for a GPS/COM (Garmin GPS190) to be a backup com/nav unit for rental flying. It has worked great, except the batteries don't last as long as I would like. I don't think they sell this unit any longer. However I can still get GPS updates on the web. Also handheld units will be cheaper than panel mount units. The cats meow for aviation right now is the Garmin GPS430 and GPS530. These have NAV/COM/GPS all in one unit and are way cool! I haven't flown behind one of these, but I have flown behind the UPS MX20 it is cool too. For my KR, I will settle for a panel mount adaptor for my Garmin GPS190. You will find that Garmin makes some GPS's you can get that are real close to the aviation units. I'm not sure that you can get the database into them for flying... some KRnetters may have found a work around for that. I found a DeLorme GPS for $125 that couples to a laptop. But you need to scan your own maps and when I bought it the software to import was $$.. I think there is free stuff out there now that will scan your aviation charts and you can feed it into a Windows CE box or laptop with the DeLorme unit. The DeLorme unit should be the cheapest, and it comes with US street maps. Check the web for DeLorme. -- Regards Ross 11/30/2002 12:04:13 PM, Scott Cable wrote: >Netters, >I have a question regarding GPS's. Let me first state >the obvious: I know nothing about them. >My question relates to what is the difference between >a GPS system for a boat, and a GPS for an Airplane? >Can a nautical system be used for aeronautical >purposes? >The reason I'm asking is that whileI was at a local >boat shop, the salesman showed me a bunch of GPS >units, both hand held and panel mounted that are on >sale. Seemed like a pretty good buy. (was $1200 on >sale for $349) Chips are about $200 for a couple of >different models, so couldn't I swap out the chip to >convert it to aviation use? >What makes a "good" GPS vs a "bad" GPS? >What features should I look for want? >Is there any recommendations for a particular model/brand? > >===== >Scott Cable >KR-2S # 735 >Livonia, MI >(734) 254-5527 > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > Ross Youngblood http://N541RY.com mailto:rossy65@attbi.com (Home) mailto:ross_youngblood@credence.com (Work) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:35:01 -0800 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org, "Ron Eason" From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR> GPS's Message-Id: Yep.. Bought one about two years ago... really nice. However you need to treat the batteries nice. They are NiCads. I bought a spare battery pack, just in case. You need to charge them within 24 hours of a long trip. If you have your GPS/COM sitting in your flight bag for a week or two without using it, don't expect the battery to be there when you need it. I used my GPS/COM for rental flying when I was building time for my IFR rating. Great unit. The COM doesn't seem to be working too hot at the moment... I can't seem to raise the fuel folks on the ground... recieve works OK. I could have blown it hitting transmit without the antenna possibly.. don't know. When I'm flying, I haven't tested it enroute for COM, but should as it's use as a backup COM is risky if it really doesn't work now. The GPS side is cool. It has a simulate (as most units do), so you can plug in your flight plan, speed etc and walk yourself through it on the ground. I can also still get updates via the web, and only pay for the downloads I use. I don't know if Garmin still sells the new units. I paid around $1000 for mine. I also have a 12V adaptor accessory for it so I can wire the unit into my KR. They sell this stuff online on Accessories. My favoite story was when I was enroute from Phoenix, AZ to Eugene, OR in the flying club Mooney. I was getting about 164Kts groundspeed on the GPS, and had the ETA page up on the yoke mounted unit. My daughter was starting to feel ill due to turbulence enroute from Medford to Oregon. She kept asking "how much longer" and we had a 8 minute ETA, and the unit was counting down.... then 5 minutes then 2 minutes... I couldn't see the runway but knew it was straight ahead... we were on a LONG final... then I saw the runway. Landed and pulled off the taxiway. As soon as we crossed the hold lines exiting the runway, my daughter lost it. I think her knowing the ETA helped... but not quite enough. BTW, this ETA also helps significantly planning bathroom breaks on long cross country flights. Pop in a new destination, and get your ETA to the bathroom. -- Ross 12/1/2002 4:21:08 PM, "Ron Eason" wrote: >Has anyone had any experience with the Gamin 190 GPS/COM Handheld? They seem >to be a rare unit, hard to find. > >Ron > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > Ross Youngblood http://N541RY.com mailto:rossy65@attbi.com (Home) mailto:ross_youngblood@credence.com (Work) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:16:31 -0600 To: , From: "Deems Herring" Subject: RE: KR> GPS's Message-ID: <001001c29bda$6b2d9380$6400a8c0@BackOffice> One of the GPS Items you might consider is NavGPS it installs on a pocket PC with moving map and most of the bells and whistles. See http://www.gonavgps.com/navgpspro.shtml It is $175 plus the pocket PC. They even have a version that works with PC Flight systems gyro panel that uses solid state systems to generate gyro heading and attitude displays you can see that at http://www.pcflightsystems.com/index.htm Deems Herring, Baudette Minnesota mailto:ballross@wiktel.com -- Ross 12/1/2002 4:21:08 PM, "Ron Eason" wrote: >Has anyone had any experience with the Gamin 190 GPS/COM Handheld? They >seem to be a rare unit, hard to find. > >Ron > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 11/25/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:32:31 +0800 To: From: "Phil Maley" Subject: RE: KR> GPS's Message-ID: Hi all This might have been mentioned before, but the best independent, reliable reference I have found on GPS in aviation is at http:/www.cockpitgps.com/ or if that doesn't work then try http://cockpitgps.web.aplus.net/ . The site is maintained by an airline pilot who routinely takes a hand-help GPS along with him. You can download a 112 page manual on choosing and using a GPS. Regarding speed capability, my Magellan GPS320 works fine at cruising speed / altitude in the passenger cabin of commercial airliners. Kind regards Phil Maley Perth Australia mailto:phil@wotech.com.au http://www.wotech.net/vk6ad/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:38:43 -0800 To: "'KRnet@mailinglists.org'" , KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: RE: KR> "Wetting out" Message-Id: There is also terrific information in the Aircraft Spruce and Wicks catalogs. Aircraft Spruce has a Composite Fiberglass construction booklit that they sell seperatly or with the "perido skiff"[ap?] project kit that tells you all you want to know about moldless fiberglass construction techniques. Also there is a good book by Jack Lambe (I think) on composite construction out there. All of these are great, but consider that the KR1/KR2 predated the Rutan fiberglass ships. 12/3/2002 6:59:45 AM, Anthony Underwood wrote: > Hello out there.............This is my first reply to a subject on >the kr net,but i just had to say something.I've been reading these letter's >and can't help but feel if people would just READ the plans,( even if they >are a little skimpy in some aeras), you would know basically what to >do.You don't brush resin onto the foam, unless you want a 100 lb. wing. >Read the plans ,right in the front, it say's, mix up resin AND micro >baloon's and squeegee in to the foam, this is to seal and fill the foam.I >don't mean to sound like a know it all smart a..s, and iv'e had to ask for >a lot of help,BUT, you have to under stand the basics,and it's right there >in the book. Now somebody might say i don't have a set of plans, BUY a set, >if you can afford to build a airplane and get a pilots license,then you >can afford a hundred or so dollar set of plans like the rest of us.If >anybody think's i'm out of line my phone number is 423-587-0624 . Oh just a >little tid bit, my airplane is going to be called a KorvaiR2. Anthony >Underwood > >-----Original Message----- >From: Robert Stone [SMTP:rstone4@hot.rr.com] >Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 8:50 AM >To: KRNet >Subject: KR> "Wetting out" > > Brush resin onto the foam. While it is still wet apply the fiberglass >cloth. Spray or brush more resin on the cloth and squeegee toward the >unsaturated parts. Whatever color the cloth is it will change color when >it becomes saturated with resin. You want to end up with full penetration >of the cloth but with all of the excess squeegeed out. Putting peelply >cloth over the job makes for less sanding because the surface comes up much >smoother when the peelply is removed. It is very important to remove all >of the excess resin because it only adds weight and does not increase >strength. > >Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx >rstone4@hot.rr.com > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > Ross Youngblood http://N541RY.com mailto:rossy65@attbi.com (Home) mailto:ross_youngblood@credence.com (Work) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 12:27:13 -0800 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Off Topic (Computer Viruses) Message-Id: I initially intended to send this just to Rick but thought I would pass it on to the 'netters. This is somthing that I normally resist doing. I built my first computer in High School '78, and have been working in the computer industry since 1980. I'm not a virus expert, but have opinions and observations about viruses that I couldn't resist sharing. Rick, Depends on what type of mail software you use. If you use Microsoft Outlook, it is possible that simply recieving the email you can get a virus. This is because MS Outlook is hooked into windows so that you can do powerful things.. like orginize your address book, and other stuff I don't know... at any rate, there is stuff in Outlook that was designed to help users, that people have figured out how to access via email, which is bad (Security risk). If you use Netscape or Opera for email (both available free), you are not going to catch a virus simply by opening the mail.. at least I haven't heard of such a case. This is because these tools don't have the hooks into windows that Microsoft Outlook has. Not saying they are better, just different. Also, since most PC's have Outlook, there are more hackers who are playing with trying to break it. The major nasty Outlook has, is access to the addressbook via somthing called "Visual Basic". A book named "Programming Visual Basic for Outlook" was jokingly renamed "How to make an Outlook virus". by a friend of mine. We speculate that those Phillipinos[sp] who wrote a nasty virus one day used this book. (I don't program Visual Basic.. but probably could). For some reasons, you can automaticly run visual basic programs from email, which is how these Outlook address books viruses spread. Open the email, run the program which reads your address book, and sends itself to the world. I think a lot of this has been improved in Outlook, but in general, I'm not a Microsoft fan, so I avoid using MS stuff when I can just to piss Bill Gates off. (Is it working?- nope) Usually most viruses (outside of MS Outlook) happen when you click on the attachment, or download a program or image that "looks" like a picture or web link, but is desquised and acutally is a virus. If you ever click on some program or attachment, and it disappears... you definatly have a virus. Those are usually the worst. The SUB7 class of viruses is like this, they disappear after you click on them, then setup housekeeping and provide access to your computer over the internet to hackers. This is also one of the more difficult viruses to eliminate without wiping the disk and re-installing windows. (It can be done however). Most of the nasty viruses you read about are for users of MS Outlook, as these viruses get to your address book and auto send themselves to everyone in your addressbook. So far Netscape/Opera have been immune to those addressbook types of virus attacks. (The ones you can get just by recieving the email) If you use Yahoo mail through a browser you will most likely be OK. The best bet is to backup your computer frequently and use a virus checker program like McAffee or Norton. I have McAffee I downloaded via the web, and then paid for online updates. I haven't caught any viruses since I booted my daughter and Kaza off my computer. Porn newsgroups and websites are the most likely places to go searching for viruses, since the people originating the viruses are less likely to be turned in. Newsgroups are the worst place as the posters are anonymous. A "closed" mailinglist like KRnet, is less likely to be a source of a virus as we approve membership by email addresses. It is not impossible to imagine someone coming up with a false email address and lurking for a while, then trying to send a virus on purpose, but in general we are not a great target. 12/3/2002 12:06:00 PM, Rick Wilson wrote: >Hi, Can anyone tell me if you can get a virus by >simply opening an email, or do you have to open an >attachment to get it? Thanks, Rick Wilson. > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > Ross Youngblood http://N541RY.com mailto:rossy65@attbi.com (Home) mailto:ross_youngblood@credence.com (Work) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:57:09 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Off Topic (Computer Viruses) Message-Id: <3DEEB275.000001.01024@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_9RIMQL80000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_9RIMLVC0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_9RIMLVC0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That is exactly why I stopped using Outlook and started using this free m= ail system. I have had no problems since I started using it. Of course, I a= lso have virus protection.=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC=0D =0D See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D =0D KR Purchasing Info at: http://fly-kr.com =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 12:24:04 PM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: KR> Off Topic (Computer Viruses)=0D =0D I initially intended to send this just to Rick=0D but thought I would pass it on to the 'netters.=0D This is somthing that I normally resist doing.=0D =0D I built my first computer in High School '78, and=0D have been working in the computer industry since=0D 1980. I'm not a virus expert, but have opinions=0D and observations about viruses that I couldn't=0D resist sharing.=0D =0D Rick,=0D Depends on what type of mail software you use.=0D If you use Microsoft Outlook, it is possible that simply=0D recieving the email you can get a virus. This is because=0D MS Outlook is hooked into windows so that you can do =0D powerful things.. like orginize your address book, and=0D other stuff I don't know... at any rate, there is stuff=0D in Outlook that was designed to help users, that people=0D have figured out how to access via email, which is bad=0D (Security risk).=0D =0D If you use Netscape or Opera for email (both available=0D free), you are not going to catch a virus simply by opening=0D the mail.. at least I haven't heard of such a case. This=0D is because these tools don't have the hooks into windows=0D that Microsoft Outlook has. Not saying they are better,=0D just different. Also, since most PC's have Outlook, there=0D are more hackers who are playing with trying to break it.=0D =0D The major nasty Outlook has, is access to the addressbook=0D via somthing called "Visual Basic". A book named=0D "Programming Visual Basic for Outlook" was jokingly=0D renamed=0D "How to make an Outlook virus". by a friend of mine.=0D We speculate that those Phillipinos[sp] who wrote a nasty=0D virus one day used this book. (I don't program Visual=0D Basic.. but probably could).=0D For some reasons, you can automaticly run visual basic=0D programs from email, which is how these Outlook address=0D books viruses spread. Open the email, run the program=0D which reads your address book, and sends itself to the=0D world. I think a lot of this has been improved in Outlook,=0D but in general, I'm not a Microsoft fan, so I avoid using=0D MS stuff when I can just to piss Bill Gates off. =0D (Is it working?- nope)=0D =0D Usually most viruses (outside of MS Outlook) happen when=0D you click on the attachment, or download a program or=0D image that "looks" like a picture or web link, but is=0D desquised and acutally is a virus.=0D =0D If you ever click on some program or attachment, and it=0D disappears... you definatly have a virus. Those are usually=0D the worst. The SUB7 class of viruses is like this, they=0D disappear after you click on them, then setup housekeeping=0D and provide access to your computer over the internet to=0D hackers. This is also one of the more difficult viruses=0D to eliminate without wiping the disk and re-installing =0D windows. (It can be done however).=0D =0D Most of the nasty viruses you read about are for users=0D of MS Outlook, as these viruses get to your address book=0D and auto send themselves to everyone in your addressbook.=0D =0D So far Netscape/Opera have been immune to those addressbook=0D types of virus attacks. (The ones you can get just by recieving=0D the email)=0D =0D If you use Yahoo mail through a browser you will most=0D likely be OK. The best bet is to backup your computer=0D frequently and use a virus checker program like McAffee=0D or Norton. I have McAffee I downloaded via the web, and=0D then paid for online updates. I haven't caught any viruses=0D since I booted my daughter and Kaza off my computer.=0D =0D Porn newsgroups and websites are the most likely places=0D to go searching for viruses, since the people originating=0D the viruses are less likely to be turned in. Newsgroups are=0D the worst place as the posters are anonymous. A "closed"=0D mailinglist like KRnet, is less likely to be a source of=0D a virus as we approve membership by email addresses. It =0D is not impossible to imagine someone coming up with a false=0D email address and lurking for a while, then trying to send=0D a virus on purpose, but in general we are not a great target.=0D =0D =0D =0D 12/3/2002 12:06:00 PM, Rick Wilson wrote:=0D =0D >Hi, Can anyone tell me if you can get a virus by=0D >simply opening an email, or do you have to open an=0D >attachment to get it? Thanks, Rick Wilson.=0D >=0D >__________________________________________________=0D >Do you Yahoo!?=0D >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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That is exactly why I stopped using Outlook and started using this f= ree mail system.  I have had no problems since I started using it.&n= bsp; Of course, I also have virus protection.
 

DanRH@KR-Builder.org

See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,

Daniel R= =2E Heath - Lexington, SC

See our KR2 at: ht= tp://kr-builder.org  Click on the Pic.

See our EAA Chapte= r 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG

KR Purchasing Info at= : http://fly-kr.= com 

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: Wednesday, D= ecember 04, 2002 12:24:04 PM
Subject: KR> Of= f Topic (Computer Viruses)
 
I initially intended to send this just to Rick
but th= ought I would pass it on to the 'netters.
This is somthing that I norm= ally resist doing.

I built my first computer in High School '78, a= nd
have been working in the computer industry since
1980. I'm not a= virus expert, but have opinions
and observations about viruses that I= couldn't
resist sharing.

Rick,
Depends on what type of mail= software you use.
If you use Microsoft Outlook, it is possible that s= imply
recieving the email you can get a virus. This is because
MS O= utlook is hooked into windows so that you can do
powerful things.. li= ke orginize your address book, and
other stuff I don't know... at any = rate, there is stuff
in Outlook that was designed to help users, that = people
have figured out how to access via email, which is bad
(Secu= rity risk).

If you use Netscape or Opera for email (both available=
free), you are not going to catch a virus simply by opening
the ma= il.. at least I haven't heard of such a case. This
is because these to= ols don't have the hooks into windows
that Microsoft Outlook has. Not = saying they are better,
just different. Also, since most PC's have Out= look, there
are more hackers who are playing with trying to break it.<= BR>
The major nasty Outlook has, is access to the addressbook
via s= omthing called "Visual Basic". A book named
"Programming Visual Basic = for Outlook" was jokingly
renamed
"How to make an Outlook virus". b= y a friend of mine.
We speculate that those Phillipinos[sp] who wrote = a nasty
virus one day used this book. (I don't program Visual
Basic= =2E. but probably could).
For some reasons, you can automaticly run vi= sual basic
programs from email, which is how these Outlook address
= books viruses spread. Open the email, run the program
which reads your= address book, and sends itself to the
world. I think a lot of this ha= s been improved in Outlook,
but in general, I'm not a Microsoft fan, s= o I avoid using
MS stuff when I can just to piss Bill Gates off.
(= Is it working?- nope)

Usually most viruses (outside of MS Outlook)= happen when
you click on the attachment, or download a program or
= image that "looks" like a picture or web link, but is
desquised and ac= utally is a virus.

If you ever click on some program or attachment= , and it
disappears... you definatly have a virus. Those are usuallythe worst. The SUB7 class of viruses is like this, they
disappear af= ter you click on them, then setup housekeeping
and provide access to y= our computer over the internet to
hackers. This is also one of the mor= e difficult viruses
to eliminate without wiping the disk and re-instal= ling
windows. (It can be done however).

Most of the nasty viru= ses you read about are for users
of MS Outlook, as these viruses get t= o your address book
and auto send themselves to everyone in your addre= ssbook.

So far Netscape/Opera have been immune to those addressboo= k
types of virus attacks. (The ones you can get just by recieving
t= he email)

If you use Yahoo mail through a browser you will mostlikely be OK. The best bet is to backup your computer
frequently and = use a virus checker program like McAffee
or Norton. I have McAffee I d= ownloaded via the web, and
then paid for online updates. I haven't cau= ght any viruses
since I booted my daughter and Kaza off my computer.
Porn newsgroups and websites are the most likely places
to go se= arching for viruses, since the people originating
the viruses are less= likely to be turned in. Newsgroups are
the worst place as the posters= are anonymous. A "closed"
mailinglist like KRnet, is less likely to b= e a source of
a virus as we approve membership by email addresses. It =
is not impossible to imagine someone coming up with a false
email = address and lurking for a while, then trying to send
a virus on purpos= e, but in general we are not a great target.



12/3/2002 12:= 06:00 PM, Rick Wilson <rwdw2002@= yahoo.com> wrote:

>Hi, Can anyone tell me if you can get= a virus by
>simply opening an email, or do you have to open an
= >attachment to get it? Thanks, Rick Wilson.
>
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<= A href=3D"http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=3D309&lang=3D9">= 3D""  IncrediMail - Email has= finally evolved - = Click Here --------------Boundary-00=_9RIMLVC0000000000000-- --------------Boundary-00=_9RIMQL80000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:30:51 -0600 To: "krnet" From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Fw: Rednecked Pilot Message-ID: <003501c29bfd$f274b080$5a631e41@Administration> ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C29BCB.A7C35D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thought this was humorous. Ron ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ZEAKOME2@aol.com=20 To: Ron@jrl-engineering.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 5:06 PM Subject: Rednecked Pilot Subject: REDNECK PILOT You might be flying with a redneck pilot if: His stall warning plays DIXIE. His cross-country flight plan uses flea markets as check points. He's using moonshine as Av-Gas. His 172's wheel pants have mud flaps with a reclining nude. His toothpick keeps poking the mike. He's taxiing around the airport just drinking beer. He wouldn't be caught dead in a Grumman Yankee. He uses an old Purina Dog Chow sack as a wind-sock. He constantly confuses Beechcraft with Beechnut. He thinks GPS stands for GOING PERFECTLY STRAIGHT. He refers to formation flying as "we got us a convoy." His matched set of lightweight flying luggage is 3 grocery bags from = Wal-Mart. He has more than one roll of duct tape holding the cowling on. He's never landed at a real airport even though he's been flying for = over 20 years. He's ground looped his aircraft after hitting a cow. He considers anything over 100 ft AGL as HIGH-altitude flying. There are green parts on his airplane labeled JOHN DEERE. There's exhaust residue on the right side of the airplane and tobacco = stains on the left. He buzzes the grass strip before landing to chase off the cows and = sheep. The tread pattern, IF any, on all three of his tires are different. He has a pair of fuzzy dice hanging from the compass. There's grass stains on the tips of the propeller. Somewhere on the plane there's a bumper sticker that reads "I'd rather = be fishin'." He navigates with his ADF tuned to only AM Country stations. He thinks an ultralight is a sissy new beer from BUDWEISER. Just before his LAST crash, everybody on the UNICOM frequency heard him = say, "Hey Y'all, watch this!" He thinks IFR stands for I Follow Roads and "clear Prop" means move your = cow away from the propeller. He thinks VASI lights are Christmas lights with the burned-out green = ones replaced with the cheaper white bulbs. He does his walk-around to keep cow patties off his cowling. He thinks sticking-the-tanks is when you glue gas cans with siphon hoses = in them on to the wings to increase his maximum range ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C29BCB.A7C35D20-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 20:20:51 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "T. M. Rusnak" Subject: Index of Newsletters Message-id: <001401c29c0d$506501e0$1bff4718@fm.shawcable.net> --Boundary_(ID_s2W+gpcrY132D7kiHdczrA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Does anyone have an index of the articles that appeared in the newsletters? All I can find is the back issue index that appeared in the April/May 1995 KR Newsletter. I have the CD Rom of the last 27 years of newletters but this is akin to owning a library with no way of telling where the books are and their subject matter. Merle Rusnak --Boundary_(ID_s2W+gpcrY132D7kiHdczrA)-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:26:31 +0200 To: , From: "Serge Vidal" Subject: RE: KR> GPS's and power supply Message-ID: <000801c29c32$632a9c70$c30127c4@sergevidal12> On ZS-WEC, I use a Garmin GPS 315, the cheapest aviation unit I could find here in South AFrica. It is actually a marine GPS, that has been converted for aviation by changing the database. So far, I'm happy with it. Nav, comms, GPS and Intercom are always cheaper as handhld unit. I suppose it has to do with certification. Then you sit with an endless battery charging problem. After my first year flying ZS-WEC, I got tired with charging batteries, and desperately looked for solutions. So, when I rebuilt the instrument panel, I installed three panel-mounted sockets. One is a dedicated socket, and feeds the radio. The two others are cigarette-lighter sockets. One feeds the GPS (almost all GPS have cigarette lighter adapters available for them, and if not, cell-phone adapters will do the job too). The third one is a spare,that can be used for anything like a spotlight, a camera...) Today, the only battery left on board is a 9V dry-cell for the Intercom. But that one lasts forever, provided, of course, that you remeber to switch the Intercom off after landing! Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Johannesburg, South Africa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 08:01:18 -0700 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: gleone Subject: Re: KR> GPS's and power supply Message-ID: <3DEF6A3E.421AE586@tritel.net> Check E-Bay for the Garman 315/320. It comes with an aviation database, is updatable and cost me something like $130 (US). Accessories are optional but as far a mounting it, velcro works wonders. Serge Vidal wrote: > On ZS-WEC, I use a Garmin GPS 315, the cheapest aviation unit I could find > here in South AFrica. It is actually a marine GPS, that has been converted > for aviation by changing the database. So far, I'm happy with it. > > Nav, comms, GPS and Intercom are always cheaper as handhld unit. I suppose > it has to do with certification. Then you sit with an endless battery > charging problem. > > After my first year flying ZS-WEC, I got tired with charging batteries, and > desperately looked for solutions. So, when I rebuilt the instrument panel, I > installed three panel-mounted sockets. One is a dedicated socket, and feeds > the radio. The two others are cigarette-lighter sockets. One feeds the GPS > (almost all GPS have cigarette lighter adapters available for them, and if > not, cell-phone adapters will do the job too). The third one is a spare,that > can be used for anything like a spotlight, a camera...) > > Today, the only battery left on board is a 9V dry-cell for the Intercom. But > that one lasts forever, provided, of course, that you remeber to switch the > Intercom off after landing! > > Serge Vidal > KR2 ZS-WEC > Johannesburg, South Africa > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:47:09 -0600 To: "KR-Net" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Bob Sauer Message-ID: <003601c29c5c$6cc26a40$e3511f41@wi.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C29C2A.21E4D6C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have just added a new page to my Featured KR's Under Construction on = my web site. This is of Bob Sauer's KR-2S and I must say he is doing an = excellent job. More photos will be added as he sends them to me. Check = it out. Will he name his plane "The Gambler" ? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C29C2A.21E4D6C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:40:07 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: RCTRVLR@aol.com Subject: Landing gear Question? Message-ID: <19f.ccdb641.2b20cd57@aol.com> --part1_19f.ccdb641.2b20cd57_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am in the process of removing the retractable gear system from my KR2, now i have to decide if i want to install the Diehl trigear or not, I thought the gear was a little pricey for what you get, but the simplicity of just bolt on and fly (so to speak) does appeal to me greatly, so i probably will end up going with the Deihl gear, unless anybody has any info or ideas on an optional system. Oh ya, if anybody wants the retract system, minus tires and wheels, let me know and as soon as I get it out of the plane I will sent it to you, you just have to pay for shipping. Thanks Ray --part1_19f.ccdb641.2b20cd57_boundary-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************