From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 7 Dec 2002 06:51:44 -0000 Issue 566 Date: Friday, December 06, 2002 10:52 PM krnet Digest 7 Dec 2002 06:51:44 -0000 Issue 566 Topics (messages 13567 through 13596): Re: Index of Newsletters 13567 by: Mark Langford 13568 by: Mark Langford Re: Landing gear Question? 13569 by: gleone 13576 by: RCTRVLR.aol.com 13578 by: Rick Wilson 13584 by: David Mullins 13595 by: RCTRVLR.aol.com Where to find that? 13570 by: Serge Vidal 13573 by: RFG842.aol.com Post questions to the list - LONG 13571 by: Frank Ross Sources for Instruments 13572 by: Frank Ross 13575 by: Serge Vidal GPS for Sale 13574 by: Ronevogt.aol.com 13577 by: wstarrs Re: I'd like to ask some basic questions 13579 by: Rick Wilson KR Newsletter - - - 27 Years of the KR Newsletter on CD - - - ready to ship 13580 by: Larry A. Capps Trying to find a wed site 13581 by: Phillip Matheson 13583 by: Mark Langford 13585 by: Mark Jones Landing gear question 13582 by: ROBERT COOPER Tennessee Terror 13586 by: Mark Jones Re: Ram Mounts 13587 by: Ron Eason Re: Please Donate the Newsletter 13588 by: Donald Blankenship 13589 by: Larry A. Capps 13591 by: Mark Langford 13593 by: Donald Blankenship Interesting item on eBay web site item#1873969341: NIB!- FALCON GAGE ALTIMETER- AIRCRAFT 13590 by: rdthomas.mindspring.com Trailing Edge Technologies, LLC 13592 by: Mark Langford Landing gear 13594 by: RCTRVLR.aol.com Re: A sad day - TET closes the doors 13596 by: Rick Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 07:09:45 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Index of Newsletters Message-ID: <005c01c29d28$bf572fd0$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> Merle Rusnak wrote: > Does anyone have an index of the articles that appeared in the newsletters? Larry Capps sent it to me, and it's posted at: http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/KRNews_Index_1989.pdf . One thing I'd like to do with KROnline is start an index on day one, so it will eventually become a sort of FAQ/information headquarters for KR construction. That should be easy enough... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 07:16:45 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Index of Newsletters Message-ID: <006201c29d29$ba040200$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> Regarding this index that I posted, it should be mentioned that this is one guy's own private index of what was important to HIM and it does miss the most recent 13 years! When I first got my set of Newsletters I went through and stuck about a hundred little Post-It tabs on all of the stuff that I thought was important and that I'd need to find quickly later. Stuff like an earlyl sperical bearing scheme for elevator and rudder hinges that Dr. Dean eventually found a way to make work. Now that we have Larry's "27 Years" CD, the whole thing is searchable using PDF's built-in search capability for whatever combination of words you want to enter, but there's nothing stopping anybody from building an index that actually spans the whole 27 years and covers topics of general interest to all KR builders and flyers. Nothing but the willingness and the time, that is... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 07:02:50 -0700 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: gleone Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear Question? Message-ID: <3DF0AE0A.7989AB42@tritel.net> Sorry, Virg, I got there first. Gene Leone in Wyoming. virgnvs@juno.com wrote: > Send to Virg. Will reimburse shipping costs. Thanks, Virg > > Virgil N. Salisbury > 5445 S.W. 89th Place > Miami, Fla 33165-6624 > > On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:40:07 EST RCTRVLR@aol.com writes: > > I am in the process of removing the retractable gear system from > > my KR2, > > now i have to decide if i want to install the Diehl trigear or not, > > I thought > > the gear was a little pricey for what you get, but the simplicity of > > just > > bolt on and fly (so to speak) does appeal to me greatly, so i > > probably will > > end up going with the Deihl gear, unless anybody has any info or > > ideas on an > > optional system. Oh ya, if anybody wants the retract system, minus > > tires and > > wheels, let me know and as soon as I get it out of the plane I will > > sent it > > to you, you just have to pay for shipping. Thanks > > > > Ray > > > > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL > LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:32:17 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: RCTRVLR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear Question? Message-ID: <27.3304c885.2b222b11@aol.com> --part1_27.3304c885.2b222b11_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="27.3304c885_alt_bound" --27.3304c885_alt_bound Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can the Grove gear be used as the main gear for a tricycle setup or just as conventional taildragger gear? I would like to go to the tricycle set up, although it will be more work and money to do so. I also have to reroute my aileron wires to do so. They run right were The Deihl gear mounts, unless I make a bracket that will allow me mount the Deihl gear an inch or so behind the spar to allow for the cable to miss the bracket, that might be easier than rerouting wires. I want to get a website going with pictures and all, You can never get to much info and ideas out on the net, any suggestions on how to do this will be appreciated. Thanks Ray --27.3304c885_alt_bound Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Can the Grove gear be used as the main gear for a tricycle setup or just as conventional taildragger gear? I would like to go to the tricycle set up, although it will be more work and money to do so. I also have to reroute my aileron wires to do so. They run right were The Deihl gear mounts, unless I make a bracket that will allow me mount the Deihl gear an inch or so behind the spar to allow for the cable to miss the bracket, that might be easier than rerouting wires.
   I want to get a website going with pictures and all, You can never get to much info and ideas out on the net, any suggestions on how to do this will be appreciated. Thanks

          Ray --27.3304c885_alt_bound-- --part1_27.3304c885.2b222b11_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:08:06 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Rick Wilson Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear Question? Message-ID: <20021206190806.49290.qmail@web21203.mail.yahoo.com> Ray, If you go to the Deihl website and read the instructions for mounting the Deihl gear it gives you the particulars on how to reroute the aileron cables. Rick Wilson. --- RCTRVLR@aol.com wrote: > Can the Grove gear be used as the main gear for a > tricycle setup or just as > conventional taildragger gear? I would like to go to > the tricycle set up, > although it will be more work and money to do so. I > also have to reroute my > aileron wires to do so. They run right were The > Deihl gear mounts, unless I > make a bracket that will allow me mount the Deihl > gear an inch or so behind > the spar to allow for the cable to miss the bracket, > that might be easier > than rerouting wires. > I want to get a website going with pictures and > all, You can never get to > much info and ideas out on the net, any suggestions > on how to do this will be > appreciated. Thanks > > Ray > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 18:14:17 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: David Mullins Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear Question? Message-ID: <3DF12F3E.887C971D@attbi.com> --------------AD3C284C05CCE2E762D21E10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ray, Yes, the Grove Gear can be used as a tricycle setup. That is what I am using. I mounted the gear on "L" brackets inside the fuselage. The centerline of the axles is located 4" behind the aft face of the main spar. My gear was custom sized for my "KR on Steroids" though. Take a look at my landing gear pages on my website. http://n323xl.iwarp.com/bllandinggear1.htm Dave Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire RCTRVLR@aol.com wrote: > Can the Grove gear be used as the main gear for a tricycle setup or > just as conventional taildragger gear? I would like to go to the > tricycle set up, although it will be more work and money to do so. I > also have to reroute my aileron wires to do so. They run right were > The Deihl gear mounts, unless I make a bracket that will allow me > mount the Deihl gear an inch or so behind the spar to allow for the > cable to miss the bracket, that might be easier than rerouting wires. > I want to get a website going with pictures and all, You can never > get to much info and ideas out on the net, any suggestions on how to > do this will be appreciated. Thanks > > Ray --------------AD3C284C05CCE2E762D21E10 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------9CB8CA88404EE4404E671667" --------------9CB8CA88404EE4404E671667 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ray,

Yes, the Grove Gear can be used as a tricycle setup.
That is what I am using. I mounted the gear on "L"
brackets inside the fuselage. The centerline of the axles
is located 4" behind the aft face of the main spar. My
gear was custom sized for my "KR on Steroids" though.
Take a look at my landing gear pages on my website.

http://n323xl.iwarp.com/bllandinggear1.htm

Dave Mullins
Nashua, New Hampshire
 
 

RCTRVLR@aol.com wrote:

  Can the Grove gear be used as the main gear for a tricycle setup or just as conventional taildragger gear? I would like to go to the tricycle set up, although it will be more work and money to do so. I also have to reroute my aileron wires to do so. They run right were The Deihl gear mounts, unless I make a bracket that will allow me mount the Deihl gear an inch or so behind the spar to allow for the cable to miss the bracket, that might be easier than rerouting wires.
   I want to get a website going with pictures and all, You can never get to much info and ideas out on the net, any suggestions on how to do this will be appreciated. Thanks

          Ray

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        Ray --cc.1613bb67_alt_bound-- --part1_cc.1613bb67.2b22ece0_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:07:24 +0200 To: From: "Serge Vidal" Subject: Where to find that? Message-ID: <000901c29d39$635fe1c0$01000001@sergevidal12> I want to spoil my KR2 for Christmas, and I need to source two instruments. Could anybody help with that? 1 - Tachometer I need a full sweep tachometer, 2 inches automotive type or 2 1/4 inches aircraft type, with a minimum range of 0 to 4000 RPM, and capable of reading my ignition system. My VW engine runs on motorcycle electronic ignitions, and the current tacho reads the impulse sent by the electronic ignition blocks to the coils (the rate is two impulses per revolution, but I think I could find a way to wire to one impulse per revolution) (for info, the current tacho is 3 inches automotive size, comes from VDO, and has programmation switches at the back). 2 - Turn coordinator I need an electrically driven turn coordinator (not a turn and bank indicator). Ideally, I would like it two inches. If this can't be found, or is out of my price range, well, I suppose a three inches will do, but I want a fairly good one. Don't forget your KR2 this Christmas! You know how susceptible the little thing can be sometimes! ;-) Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Johannesburg, South Africa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:56:09 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: RFG842@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Where to find that? Message-ID: --part1_a2.302140e9.2b222299_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Serge Try the Auto Meter (WWW.autometer.com) products. Available from auto parts stores. Got all of my engine instruments for about $250.00. Bob --part1_a2.302140e9.2b222299_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 07:41:23 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Post questions to the list - LONG Message-ID: <20021206154123.34044.qmail@web40905.mail.yahoo.com> --- Karl Kleimenhagen wrote: >SNIP> If any of you with experience in building a KR would be willing to take some questions from me, off the list, please send me a note at: KR2S@kwk.us Thanks, Karl Kleimenhagen, Peoria IL Karl, It is best to send your questions to the list. Many questions I didn't even know I wanted to ask were questions someone else posted to the list and I benefited from the answers. I have been hanging around collecting KR parts and making friends on krnet for a few years now and one of the best posts I have seen came from Steve Eberhart last month. Maybe you missed it so I'm repeating it below. Please read all of it. I had EXACTLY the same experience he had trying to fly a KR. I've flown an RV-4 with no problems. I love the KR and am trying to decide now if I should continue building a plane I can't fly (I'd have to get a WHOLE lot better to fly a KR alone and there is NO practical way to get dual in a KR)or switch to something I can enjoy immediately when it is finished. And thanks for including your location in your post. Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, USA alamokr2@yahoo.com Nov 12, 2002 Stever Eberhart wrote: First, I have not built a KR but I have played in this sand box for a while. If I were starting today here are a few thoughts on where I would start and what I would do. FIRST - I would commit to paper a list of why I wanted an airplane and how I wanted to use it, i.e. I just to play around within 50 miles of home or I want a comfortable cross country airplane I want a plane that can be built in a couple of years or I want to experiment a lot and five to ten years build time is OK I want to optomize performance or I can sacrefice some performance for quicker build time/ lower cost You get the idea SECOND - Decide who I want to play with in my sandbox. After monitoring KRNet for a while and/or spending a lot of time in the archives I would decide who's advice trusted. Advice that is just another opnion without documented test data to back it up would have to be verified before I decided to trust my life on it. Stability is another VERY BIG issue. Just because someone else loves flying a very sensitive airplane doesn't mean that I will love it. A KR is a VERY sensitive airplane, a Cessna 152 isn't. An RV falls somewhere in the middle. I would get a ride in a KR and a ride in an RV. THen, I would ask myself which one would I preffer spending my flying time in while remembering what I answered above about how I am going to fly my airplane. If I answered that I wanted a cross country airplane and that I preffered how the RV flew then I would have some design work to do. If I just wanted a fun airplane to fly close to home and I liked how the KR flew then I would stay closer to the original KR design. THIRD - Now I have something on paper that I work with. A very good starting place would now be to track down the Roncz spread sheets. I would go to Google and search for Roncz and spreadsheet". A few years back John Roncz did a series of design articles for Soprt Aviation in which he developed several excellent design spreadsheets. I would get them and fill in all of the data for the stock KR-1 and see where the KR fell. If I didn't like the answers then I would start making changes until I got answers that were consistant with the mission profile of how I wanted to fly my airplane. FOURTH - If I didn't understand everything in the Roncz articles I would start hitting the libraries until I did understand. I can't imagine how I could be comfortable designing an airplane without understanding the impact of all of the design decisions. If I still wasn't comfortable then I would stay closer to the standard design. At least other people have demonstrated that the standard design does fly. FIFTH - Have fun implementing all of your decisions. What did I end up doing? I got a ride in Marty Roberts' KR-2 and John Crabtree's RV-6. With about 100 hours of Cessna time in my log book I was never successful in stabilizing Marty's KR in streight and level flight. One PIO after another. John's RV was a pleasure to fly. After all of the work I refrenced above, I decided I wanted an airplane that flew like an RV and one that could be built in a couple of years. I felt that these two items were mutually exclusive so I ordered the tail and wing kits from Van's Aircraft for an RV-7. My RV is going to cost me three times what a KR would cost but I will be able to fly it in a third of the time. Everything is tradeoffs. Steve Eberhart Spent a year of my time working on the new airfoil project and ended up building an RV-7A __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 07:45:20 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Sources for Instruments Message-ID: <20021206154520.21445.qmail@web40901.mail.yahoo.com> --- Serge Vidal wrote: > I want to spoil my KR2 for Christmas, and I need to > source two instruments. > Could anybody help with that? Serge, Have you considered looking at motorcycles for your tach? Is that an option? Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX, USA alamokr2@yahoo.com PS, Merry Christmas __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:25:28 +0200 To: From: "Serge F. VIDAL" Subject: Re: KR> Sources for Instruments Message-ID: <002201c29d44$91b39e80$efda1ac4@co.za> Hi, Frank! Highly unpractical. Motorcycles tachos are huge and heavy. Serge ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Ross To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 5:45 PM Subject: KR> Sources for Instruments > --- Serge Vidal wrote: > > I want to spoil my KR2 for Christmas, and I need to > > source two instruments. > > Could anybody help with that? > > Serge, > Have you considered looking at motorcycles for your > tach? Is that an option? > Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX, USA > alamokr2@yahoo.com > PS, > Merry Christmas > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:07:59 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Ronevogt@aol.com Subject: GPS for Sale Message-ID: <111.1cbe9cb5.2b22255f@aol.com> --part1_111.1cbe9cb5.2b22255f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Netters: Is anyone interested in a Garmin 95 XL GPS? I've got a good one for sale. I was thinking it is worth about $200. RV --part1_111.1cbe9cb5.2b22255f_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:48:52 -0700 To: From: "wstarrs" Subject: Re: KR> GPS for Sale Message-ID: <000a01c29d4f$be226ea0$9200a8c0@bstarrs> Ron, I'm interested .Does it have a map? Is it Aviation? Bill Starrs, Prescott, AZ Ph 928-443-0638 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 9:07 AM Subject: KR> GPS for Sale > Netters: > Is anyone interested in a Garmin 95 XL GPS? I've got a good one for > sale. I was thinking it is worth about $200. > > RV > --------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:16:55 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Rick Wilson Subject: RE: KR> I'd like to ask some basic questions Message-ID: <20021206211655.93491.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com> Karl, Feel free to ask all the questions you like. You can't learn if you don't ask. There are lots of people here who are willing to answer anything you need to know, or at least try. Best Regards, Rick Wilson. --- Ricky Farley wrote: > Post your questions to the list. The nice thing > about the list is that > there are many folks doing things slightly different > and therefore can > give multiple solutions to different kinds of > problems. We all benefit > from questions and if you have a question about > something, chances are > that there are others who have the same question but > are > unwilling/unable to bring themselves to ask. > > Ricky Farley > KR-2S (now in the "boat stage") > San Angelo TX > ricky@r-farley.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karl Kleimenhagen [mailto:kr2s@kwk.us] > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 23:54 > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: KR> I'd like to ask some basic questions > > Hello, > > I've been watching this list for about two weeks, > and I see the veterans > here > want to have the list used by those now building a > KR. > > I'm still trying to select a plane to build from > plans, and I wish to > learn > more about the KR2's. If any of you with experience > in building a KR > would be > willing to take some questions from me, off the > list, please send me a > note > at: > > KR2S@kwk.us > > Thanks, > > Karl Kleimenhagen, Peoria IL > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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To receive your own copy "27 Years of the KR Newsletter on CD", you can use PayPal, Check or Money Order. PayPal: Login to your PayPal account and make payment to: krnews@attbi.com $47.00 anywhere in the world (shipped) (Illinois Residents add 6.75% sales tax) Mail Check or Money order: KR Newsletter 10S485 Book Road Naperville, IL. 60564 $45.00 anywhere in the world (shipped) (Illinois Residents add 6.75% sales tax) NOTE: All payments must be submitted in US Dollars, or check drafted on a US financial institution. Best Regards, KR Newsletter Naperville, IL mailto:krnews@attbi.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:05:47 +1100 To: "KR Net Listings" From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Trying to find a wed site Message-ID: <003801c29d7c$03c8ec00$0996dccb@Matheson> ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C29DD8.365F30A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a pic I printed some time back of a Aileron bell crank that is = fitted to the front of the rear spar, not the back of the spar. The page has=20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/images/fc7.jpg. But I can not get into this site. Can someone please tell me who's site this is or has ir changed = names????? Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 See our engines at:=20 http://www.vw-engines.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C29DD8.365F30A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:30:55 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Trying to find a wed site Message-ID: <003201c29d7f$86629410$0a00a8c0@800Athlon> Phil Matheson wrote: >>I have a pic I printed some time back of a Aileron bell crank that is fitted to the front of the rear spar, not the back of the spar. The page has http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/images/fc7.jpg. But I can not get into this site.<< It works for me, and I emailed it to Phillip. There's another photo that I took at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/osh2000/000727106.jpg that shows the big picture a little better. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:07:29 -0600 To: From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Trying to find a wed site Message-ID: <009501c29d84$a1cce980$e3511f41@wi.rr.com> Phil, That happens to be my setup and it is on my site which is listed below under my name. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Matheson" To: "KR Net Listings" Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 5:05 PM Subject: KR> Trying to find a wed site I have a pic I printed some time back of a Aileron bell crank that is fitted to the front of the rear spar, not the back of the spar. The page has http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/images/fc7.jpg. But I can not get into this site. Can someone please tell me who's site this is or has ir changed names????? Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 See our engines at: http://www.vw-engines.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:01:03 -0500 To: "krnet" From: "ROBERT COOPER" Subject: Landing gear question Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C29D51.70E28380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick Here is another possible solution to control cable rerouting around the l= anding gear bracket for tricycle gear KRs. Gene Byrd drilled through the = bracket so as not to have to reroute the cables. He said that he consulte= d with Dan Diehl prior to doing but don't take my word for it if you like= this method then you may also want to consult Dan. Sorry about this page= being so slow to load. I'll work on it when I get the time. http://www.jackandsandycooper.com/byrdconstphoto3.html =20 Jack Cooper mailto:kr2cooper@msn.com http://www.jackandsandycooper.com/kr2 Fayetteville, NC. ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C29D51.70E28380-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:22:14 -0600 To: "KR-Net" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Tennessee Terror Message-ID: <00ae01c29d86$b1b36de0$e3511f41@wi.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01C29D54.66C51180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All, Just in case anyone is interested, I was in Oshkosh again today and took = another look at this KR2 to get the N number which is N49TW. This plane = was built by Tom West in Chula Vista California and was registered = October 1986. It originally had a Revmaster on it.=20 Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01C29D54.66C51180-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:06:59 -0600 To: "krnet" From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Fw: Ram Mounts Message-ID: <003101c29d8c$f1fedff0$d9dc1f41@Administration> Check it out, you GPS guys. KRRon Subject: Ram Mounts > http://ram-mount.com > Mounting hardware. > Ron > > -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 20:39:11 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Donald Blankenship" Subject: Re: KR> Please Donate the Newsletter Message-ID: <20021207013912.33346.qmail@mail.com> Over the years, few negative comments accumulated about the people who published (really published) the newsletter. As builders and enthusiasts, we owe those folks our highest gratitude. They worked unimaginably long and hard hours --full time and more-- to provide us an invaluable media for information exchange. They also did all of the work for essentially nada--nothing--zippo--the big zed--no profit. Run the numbers any way you want and include costs of computer hardware and software, printing (wow), paper, communications, shipping, and a pile of items we would never consider for 12 issues a year. Whatever funds remained from the few hundred subscriptions could be considered coffee and pop money for the late night publishing hours. Now that the newsletter has been put "on hold," reality must sink in. No one but a most dedicated soul would put out the newsletter. No one should be expected to do it, although when the work is actually done, that person or persons deserves a testimonial. This is not a nomination, but Mark Langford is such a person. He carries the bulk of the load in managing our information gratis and has done so with vigor and great knowledge of what he is doing in the workshop. He enjoys it, and that is his reward. It is his avocation, one of his hobbies. If the newsletter is eventually to be published again, it needs such a devoted and unselfish person to assume the responsiblities -- someone who really wants to make a try at it. If anyone wants to publish the newsletter knowing in advance that it is not a cash crop, they should send their comments to Larry Capps. He can tell you it doesn't appear to be a profitable venture. He can also tell you it sounds like too much work, so you must be dedicated and enjoy it. Larry sells a CD of publishers’ and contributors’ past work at a reasonable $47 per pop including shipping. Maybe knowing now with absolute certainty that the CD is where the money is, and the newsletter is where the labor and no profits are at any price, he may be willing to donate the rights to publishing the newsletter to another in the long line of honorable people who have served as managing editors and publishers of the newsletter. Alternatively, there's nothing wrong with anyone starting up a fresh newsletter under a different heading and giving it a shot if that is what someone would like to do. What do you think, Larry? If you truly saved the newsletter, this idea should appeal to you. Any objections? Don Blankenship ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim @ synergy design" Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:53:01 -0800 To: Subject: KR> newsletter Way back when, Larry "volunteered" me to write a new FAQ list. I am still willing to do this for the newsletter/ KRNet. I was trying to compile a list of everything that has to do with plan discrepancies, frequently done mods/changes, general thoughts on building, comments(i.e. cockpit width, new airfoil, build time...etc.) . Would it help if I put together a questioner, and post to KRNet? I did not get any responses last time. C'mon guys (and girls), I'll do all the work, all you have to do is answer a few :-) questions. Jim(still trying to get something done on the KR) Sporka P.S. Hey Hennie, it's almost Christmas. Is that thing flying yet? -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup One click access to the Top Search Engines http://www.exactsearchbar.com/mailcom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:41:01 -0600 To: "KR Builders List \(E-mail\)" From: "Larry A. Capps" Subject: Please Donate the Newsletter Message-ID: <003101c29da2$77062770$0200a8c0@schpankme> Mr. Don Blankenship, et al, You speak so eloquently for others, maybe the actual term used should be hypocrite. Not only did you NOT support the newsletter, but now you'd like to gripe and point fingers and ridicule those willing to put the money up and at least make the effort. People like you are exactly why the newsletter has died, what can one do without support. Its not about money Don, it's about articles to be written; without adequate subscribers there is no resources to pull from and no news or articles to print. I do however giggle slightly at your attitude towards the newsletter effort, that is to say, you not only want to complain about who produces the newsletter, you'd also like someone else to pay for your copy of the newsletter. Here's how we can solve your little problem Don. If my purchasing of the KR Newsletter bothers you that much, I'd be happy to disclose to you a sale price, to purchase it. You can buy the newsletter from me and donate it to whom ever you desire. And Don, you'll be able to make that decision on your own, not for someone else. What do you think, Don? Larry A. Capps KR Newsletter Naperville, IL mailto:lacapps@attbi.com -----Original Message----- From: Donald Blankenship [mailto:dgb@usa.com] Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 Subject: Re: KR> Please Donate the Newsletter Now that the newsletter has been put "on hold," reality must sink in. If the newsletter is eventually to be published again, it needs such a devoted and unselfish person to assume the responsiblities -- someone who really wants to make a try at it. What do you think, Larry? If you truly saved the newsletter, this idea should appeal to you. Don Blankenship ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:56:58 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Please Donate the Newsletter Message-ID: <008e01c29dad$13191870$0a00a8c0@800Athlon> Don Blankenship wrote: >This is not a nomination, but Mark Langford is such a person. I appreciate that, but I think I'll pass on that job! The Newsletter has been fading for years, and the truth of the matter is that KRnet had a substantial hand at killing it. Why wait for a piece of paper to arrive once a month (or two) when you can get instant answers and loads of building details from 10 different points of view in a matter of hours? Larry will tell you that I told him privately (right after he bought it) that he ought to just let it die right then, and save himself the agony of trying to revive it. I was hoping nobody would buy the thing at all, and we NetHeads could buy it for a song as Monte was headed for the EAA. It's demise was inevitable anyway, in my humble opinion. I think what needs to happen is that it evolve into an electronic format, complete with color photos, links, and detailed articles, and published free and online as a service to other builders. That leaves the previous subscribers who didn't have internet connections "out in the cold", but I don't think we're talking about many people at all. If he only got 70 people to re-up their subscriptions, I'll bet 3/4 of them were KRnetters (and I'll bet he could answer that one for us), so maybe 20 guys who really needed it are now without the Newsletter. Brian Bland (of Area 51 fame) has volunteered to take the Online version and print and mail it out to those guys who still want it (although he might reconsider if he knows it's only for 20 people!). The rest of us wouldn't feel guilty about NOT supporting the Newsletter, and in fact could channel our energy into churning out useful articles that we could ALL learn from, online or offline, worldwide. Those who have no internet connection would still be out their usual cost, of course, to cover printing and mailing. I'll bet we could talk Larry out of a recent subscription list, to let the old subscribers know about KROnline and how to order it, and keep everybody happy. I'll be happy to "edit" the thing, but will try to do nothing more than stick the articles that are submitted together and post them on www.krnet.org and forward them to Brian for mailing (if we go that far). Any comments are welcome... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 00:09:41 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Donald Blankenship" Subject: Re: KR> Please Donate the Newsletter Message-ID: <20021207050942.49099.qmail@mail.com> Larry, You and I know from our close correspondence that the way you found me was from my past newsletter articles. You also know I volunteered to be a regular contributor to the newsletter if you had ever published it. You ignored every suggestion from all sources on how to re-start subscriptions. You never attempted to publish even one (1) issue, even for those who already paid you. Your procrastinating, your excuses, your early recognition that you weren't going to be able to afford an office and staff in New York to do the actual work, and your backing out is what prevents there being a newsletter. We also are not all as ignorant as you assume about the deal you made to purchase it, so I’d pull the lips back a little if I were you. But, it appears from your message, you’ll hold the letter for ransom with any line people might believe. I kept all of my prior messages to you private to see if you would really do something positive. Your CD sales are a worthy cause. If you want people to know the whole truth, just give me permission here to broadcast every message uncut that was sent between you and I last summer before you started to show your true colors. Before you tighten your own noose (remember them CDs), recognize that I said I didn't blame you. The newsletter is hard work, and it is the essentially non-profit end. It takes a special person, and no one blames you for not being that person, but try selling it elsewhere. However, if you ever meant a single word about "saving" it, give the publishing end away to someone not expecting to make a nice living off it. Don Blankenship ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry A. Capps" Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:41:01 -0600 To: "KR Builders List \(E-mail\)" Subject: KR> Please Donate the Newsletter > Mr. Don Blankenship, et al, > > You speak so eloquently for others, maybe the actual term used should be > hypocrite. Not only did you NOT support the newsletter, but now you'd like > to gripe and point fingers and ridicule those willing to put the money up > and at least make the effort. People like you are exactly why the > newsletter has died, what can one do without support. > > Its not about money Don, it's about articles to be written; without adequate > subscribers there is no resources to pull from and no news or articles to > print. > > I do however giggle slightly at your attitude towards the newsletter effort, > that is to say, you not only want to complain about who produces the > newsletter, you'd also like someone else to pay for your copy of the > newsletter. > > Here's how we can solve your little problem Don. If my purchasing of the KR > Newsletter bothers you that much, I'd be happy to disclose to you a sale > price, to purchase it. You can buy the newsletter from me and donate it to > whom ever you desire. And Don, you'll be able to make that decision on your > own, not for someone else. > > What do you think, Don? > > Larry A. Capps > KR Newsletter > Naperville, IL > mailto:lacapps@attbi.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donald Blankenship [mailto:dgb@usa.com] > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 > Subject: Re: KR> Please Donate the Newsletter > > Now that the newsletter has been put "on hold," reality must sink in. > > If the newsletter is eventually to be published again, > it needs such a devoted and unselfish person to assume > the responsiblities -- someone who really wants to make a try at it. > > What do you think, Larry? > > If you truly saved the newsletter, this idea should appeal to you. > > Don Blankenship > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup One click access to the Top Search Engines http://www.exactsearchbar.com/mailcom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 19:50:16 PST To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: rdthomas@mindspring.com Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#1873969341: NIB!- FALCON GAGE ALTIMETER- AIRCRAFT Message-Id: <200212070350.gB73oGuP027493@mx13.sjc.ebay.com> Check out the other items this advertizer has on ebay. 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Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:58:55 -0600 To: "krnet" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Trailing Edge Technologies, LLC Message-ID: <008f01c29dad$589a1070$0a00a8c0@800Athlon> KRnetHeads, It's Friday so maybe I can get away with this. I just thought I'd let y'all know that the staff at Trailing Edge Technologies. LLC (that would be me and Dr. Dean) have decided to throw in the towel. Nothing personal, but we're both concerned about the issue of liability. Although we've done what we can to keep from being sued, the stark reality is that given the US "legal" system, we could still be sued and forced to defend ourselves in court, regardless of the validity or the outcome of the claim. An example of this would be the ongoing case of the Corvair knockoff fuel pump affair. The story I heard was that even though GM quit manufacturing Corvair fuel pumps in the mid 60's, an aftermarket company reverse engineered it and started making their own version, and probably still make it today. A few years ago a Polish aircraft engine manufacturer discovered the Corvair pump as a good fit for its engine, and incorporated it into its design. A subsequent engine failure in a Swift that had been retrofitted with the Polish engine was blamed on a defective valve in the AFTERMARKET pump, yet GM was quickly sued because it had designed the valve in the beginning, even though it had nothing to do with the manufacture of that particular pump, nor did it ever approve such a pump for use in an aircraft. GM is gearing up to go to court in this matter, despite the ridiculous nature of the suit. Another good one would be John Denver's estate suing the manufacturer of the fuel valve that was set to an empty wing tank, that John was never even able to reach! My father has been sued for a million dollars on two different occasions, both of which were ludicrous, but it still cost him $40,000 to defend against them, not to mention over a year of sleepless nights. Were we to change our laws so that those who filed these frivolous lawsuits would have to pay BOTH sets of lawyers if they lost, we wouldn't have this problem, but since our legislators are mostly lawyers, that'll never happen. And although most experimental aircraft builders would scoff at the idea of suing anybody that's been as helpful as we have been to the KR construction effort, their spouses and children may not share that view, and that is where the problem lies. We've enjoyed working with you, but it's just not worth the risk... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 01:07:52 EST To: kr2cooper@msn.com krnet@mailinglists.org From: RCTRVLR@aol.com CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Landing gear Message-ID: <49.2798c418.2b22ea38@aol.com> --part1_49.2798c418.2b22ea38_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="49.2798c418_alt_bound" --49.2798c418_alt_bound Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That was one of my solutions almost, I was thinking about mounting the gear on a piece of wood about an inch behind the spar and drill a hole thru the wood and coat the cable for any rubbing that might occur, if any, I would work the controls before sealing the wing and check for any rubbing or chaffing. The one thing that I do not like about the KR planes is that they have no inspection holes to see any ware on the control wires or any lose nuts or bolts. I would like to see a more aggressive maintenance schedule for these planes. Ray --49.2798c418_alt_bound Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   That was one of my solutions almost, I was thinking about mounting the gear on a piece of wood about an inch behind the spar and drill a hole thru the wood and coat the cable for any rubbing that might occur, if any, I would work the controls before sealing the wing and check for any rubbing or chaffing.
   The one thing that I do not like about the KR planes is that they have no inspection holes to see any ware on the control wires or any lose nuts or bolts. I would like to see a more aggressive maintenance schedule for these planes.

     Ray --49.2798c418_alt_bound-- --part1_49.2798c418.2b22ea38_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:47:17 -0700 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Rick Subject: RE: KR> A sad day - TET closes the doors Message-ID: <41ED2F1280124E4D8B88691C9A9B5FDE3449@mail.binoids.com> Mark and Dr. Dean Thank you both for helping us with TET over the last 4 years. I feel fortunate to have acquired all of TET's offerings. Sorry to see you close the doors. I fully understand and respect your reasons. Personal and corporate greed have undermined and destroyed many valuable businesses lately. Sometimes I feel honor and honesty is something mostly read about and seen in movies. I hope small and personal part exchanges for KR and Corvair parts will continue off line from the many hobby sources amongst us. Surely there is still integrity at a personal level. And... Dr. Dean... Get back to work on that KR!!! Rick Hubka rick@hubka.com http://www.hubka.com/kr_main.htm -----Original Message----- From: Mark Langford [mailto:langford@hiwaay.net] Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 9:59 PM To: krnet Subject: KR> Trailing Edge Technologies, LLC KRnetHeads, It's Friday so maybe I can get away with this. I just thought I'd let y'all know that the staff at Trailing Edge Technologies. LLC (that would be me and Dr. Dean) have decided to throw in the towel. Nothing personal, but we're both concerned about the issue of liability. Although we've done what we can to keep from being sued, the stark reality is that given the US "legal" system, we could still be sued and forced to defend ourselves in court, regardless of the validity or the outcome of the claim. An example of this would be the ongoing case of the Corvair knockoff fuel pump affair. The story I heard was that even though GM quit manufacturing Corvair fuel pumps in the mid 60's, an aftermarket company reverse engineered it and started making their own version, and probably still make it today. A few years ago a Polish aircraft engine manufacturer discovered the Corvair pump as a good fit for its engine, and incorporated it into its design. A subsequent engine failure in a Swift that had been retrofitted with the Polish engine was blamed on a defective valve in the AFTERMARKET pump, yet GM was quickly sued because it had designed the valve in the beginning, even though it had nothing to do with the manufacture of that particular pump, nor did it ever approve such a pump for use in an aircraft. GM is gearing up to go to court in this matter, despite the ridiculous nature of the suit. Another good one would be John Denver's estate suing the manufacturer of the fuel valve that was set to an empty wing tank, that John was never even able to reach! My father has been sued for a million dollars on two different occasions, both of which were ludicrous, but it still cost him $40,000 to defend against them, not to mention over a year of sleepless nights. Were we to change our laws so that those who filed these frivolous lawsuits would have to pay BOTH sets of lawyers if they lost, we wouldn't have this problem, but since our legislators are mostly lawyers, that'll never happen. And although most experimental aircraft builders would scoff at the idea of suing anybody that's been as helpful as we have been to the KR construction effort, their spouses and children may not share that view, and that is where the problem lies. We've enjoyed working with you, but it's just not worth the risk... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************