From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 8 Dec 2002 11:33:04 -0000 Issue 568 Date: Sunday, December 08, 2002 3:34 AM krnet Digest 8 Dec 2002 11:33:04 -0000 Issue 568 Topics (messages 13614 through 13634): Re: Cable routing through Diehl landing gear. 13614 by: ROBERT COOPER Re: pics of 0200 13615 by: Rick Wilson 13618 by: Dan Heath 13623 by: Rick Wilson Re: Landing gear Question? 13616 by: Ricky Farley Re: My thanks to Larry for taking the Newsletter from Monte and creating the CD 13617 by: Phillip Matheson Re: Please Donate the Newsletter 13619 by: David Mullins 13626 by: Mark Langford 13627 by: Larry A. Capps retractable gear question. 13620 by: Pedro Pinzón 13624 by: Rick Wilson 0200 firewall 13621 by: Flymaca711689.aol.com law/joke 13622 by: Tim Brown 13625 by: Robert Stone Gloves, Strobes, and Peel-Ply 13628 by: Peter Johnson 13630 by: Larry A. Capps Screws 13629 by: Bob Sauer 13631 by: Rick Human Re: Donate the Newsletter , Re:Mullins 13632 by: Donald Blankenship Re: Trailing Edge Technologies, LLC 13633 by: ArmChrAce.aol.com Tort 13634 by: Dan Heath Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:42:54 -0500 To: "krnet" From: "ROBERT COOPER" Subject: Re: KR> Cable routing through Diehl landing gear. Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C29DF6.8B671720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have no pictures except those on my website. Gene Byrd may share some w= ith you. He is not on the net but his email is kr2s643@aol.com . That is the reason I live in the south. Ice storm on thursday, 50 on Satu= rday. Going out to work now. Jack Coper mailto:kr2cooper@msn.com http://www.jackandsandycooper.com/kr2 Fayetteville, NC. ----- Original Message ----- From: RCTRVLR@aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 10:46 AM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Cable routing through Diehl landing gear. That sounds like a great idea, if you have any pics of your cable throu= gh the gear I would appreciate if you could send me some. Thanks Damn cold here in Michigan also. Ray =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C29DF6.8B671720-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:35:39 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Rick Wilson Subject: Re: KR> pics of 0200 Message-ID: <20021207193539.41422.qmail@web21206.mail.yahoo.com> Sorry again, here is the CORRECT address: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/rlwno7/index.html Rick. --- Rick Wilson wrote: > I'm sorry, try this address: > http://myebpage.netscape.com/rlwno7/index.html > > Thanks, Rick. > --- Rick Wilson wrote: > > Hi, I posted some new photos of the engine on my > KR2 > > on the page at: > > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/rlwno7/index.html > if > > anyone would like to see them. It takes a few > > minutes > > for the pictures to come up after you get there. > > Thanks, Rick Wilson. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:11:51 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> pics of 0200 Message-Id: <3DF2B877.000001.01052@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_R76SQL80000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_R76SLVC0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_R76SLVC0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick,=0D =0D I got "cannot find that page"=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC=0D =0D See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D =0D KR Purchasing Info at: http://fly-kr.com =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Saturday, December 07, 2002 08:26:41 AM=0D To: krnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: KR> pics of 0200=0D =0D Hi, I posted some new photos of the engine on my KR2=0D on the page at: =0D http://mywebpage.netscape.com/rlwno7/index.com if=0D anyone would like to see them. It takes a few minutes=0D for the pictures to come up after you get there.=0D Thanks, Rick Wilson.=0D =0D __________________________________________________=0D Do you Yahoo!?=0D Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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Rick,
 
I got "cannot find that page"
 

DanRH@KR-Builder.org

See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,

Daniel R= =2E Heath - Lexington, SC

See our KR2 at: ht= tp://kr-builder.org  Click on the Pic.

See our EAA Chapte= r 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG

KR Purchasing Info at= : http://fly-kr.= com 

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Subject: KR> pi= cs of 0200
 
Hi, I posted some new photos of the engine on my KR2
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anyone w= ould like to see them. It takes a few minutes
for the pictures to come= up after you get there.
Thanks, Rick Wilson.

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<= A href=3D"http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=3D309&lang=3D9">= 3D""  IncrediMail - Email has= finally evolved - = Click Here --------------Boundary-00=_R76SLVC0000000000000-- --------------Boundary-00=_R76SQL80000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:19:38 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Rick Wilson Subject: Re: KR> pics of 0200 Message-ID: <20021208021938.21339.qmail@web21203.mail.yahoo.com> Dan, I'm sorry I posted the wrong address. Instead of .com it should be .html. Anyway, here is the right one. http://mywebpage.netscape.com/rlwno7/index.html Maybe this will help. My apologies, Rick. rwdw2002@yahoo.com --- Dan Heath wrote: > Rick, > > I got "cannot find that page" > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > See ya in Red Oak --- 2003, > > Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC > > See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the > Pic. > > See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG > > KR Purchasing Info at: http://fly-kr.com > -------Original Message------- > > From: KRnet@mailinglists.org > Date: Saturday, December 07, 2002 08:26:41 AM > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: KR> pics of 0200 > > Hi, I posted some new photos of the engine on my KR2 > on the page at: > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/rlwno7/index.com if > anyone would like to see them. It takes a few > minutes > for the pictures to come up after you get there. > Thanks, Rick Wilson. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > . __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:39:16 -0600 To: From: "Ricky Farley" Subject: RE: KR> Landing gear Question? Message-ID: <001f01c29e28$6c7df630$6b01a8c0@ENTERPRISE> I'm in the stage now where I am looking for what kind of gear to put on my bird and although I really like the Grove gear, the Diehl gear is cheaper and probably lighter. I'm interested in making a fiberglass bow (similar to the Grove) if there is already a proven design. Could you post, direct me to a good website, or send to me offline the details for making the Dragonfly bow gear? Thanks, Ricky Farley KR-2S, (boat almost ready to sprout stubs) San Angelo Texas -----Original Message----- From: Steve [mailto:slemke@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 11:44 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: RE: KR> Landing gear Question? Ray I also like the Diehl gear but not at that price. ( I am kind of thrifty). I am taking a page out of the dragonfly plans and making a fiberglass bow for my KR2. The wheels will have a 72" width. And the best part is the glass and epoxy runs about $200. I am designing it for extra ground clearance and the weight should be around #22 with mounting brackets and axles. More work but less money and I get exactly the gear I want. If you want some more information let me know. I can post some more detail if you are interested. Steve Lemke Omaha, NE slemke@cox.net -----Original Message----- From: RCTRVLR@aol.com [mailto:RCTRVLR@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 9:40 AM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Landing gear Question? I am in the process of removing the retractable gear system from my KR2, now i have to decide if i want to install the Diehl trigear or not, I thought the gear was a little pricey for what you get, but the simplicity of just bolt on and fly (so to speak) does appeal to me greatly, so i probably will end up going with the Deihl gear, unless anybody has any info or ideas on an optional system. Oh ya, if anybody wants the retract system, minus tires and wheels, let me know and as soon as I get it out of the plane I will sent it to you, you just have to pay for shipping. Thanks Ray --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 07:50:19 +1100 To: From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR>My thanks to Larry for taking the Newsletter from Monte and creating the CD Message-ID: <006f01c29e32$41d61de0$e496dccb@Matheson> ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C29E8E.74293F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Larry I am with Dan, I did not get a CD , as I would never get around to = looking at it. Thanks for your effects. I am very thankful for yours and Marks, and the many other Netters that = I WILL NEVER GET TO MEET.=20 For that reason, I am sorry. Phil Matheson . Australia. matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 See our engines at:=20 http://www.vw-engines.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C29E8E.74293F00-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 19:20:39 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: David Mullins Subject: Re: KR> Please Donate the Newsletter Message-ID: <3DF29056.A8AB498F@attbi.com> Don, I don't know what your problem is with Larry. He did save the newsletter from the clutches of EAA. Never to be seen again! I helped Larry get the first layout finished for the newsletter he was to publish. Larry and I spent many countless hours at night on the computer and on the phone discussing the new logo, pictures, and layout formats. We discussed printing solutions, postage costs, both domestic and international. I got Larry a discount on QuarkXpress, PhotoShop, and other software needed to create a first rate newsletter for the KR community. As a contributing editor, I promised him a one to two page article with pictures for the newsletter every month. We decided to make this the best newsletter the KR community would see. I was the longest subscription holder at the time of Monte's decision to halt publication. I was owed 20 months of issues as I had just renewed for two more years. Monte was just going to take the money and run. Leaving all 200+ subscribers out to dry. Monte was telling everyone that contacted him about subscription refunds that Larry would continue their subscriptions. That was not part of the deal to sell the newsletter. This would have caused Larry to carry the nut for continuing publication without any income to offset the cost of printing and postage. Nothing can survive with a negative cash flow. 100+ of those subscribers were due 6 months or more of issues. I was instrumental in getting Monte to issue refunds to those people. Out of those 200+ subscribers only 76 decided to keep the newsletter going. Question, Were you one of those 76 people? or not? If you were not, then you were part of the demise of the KR Newsletter too, and have to accept the consequences of your actions by putting another nail in the newsletter's coffin. I for one, looked forward to receiving the newsletter each month. That is why I renewed my subscription for another two years. Larry and I discussed improvements to the CD with reprints of articles in Sport Aviation and Kitplanes. Everything that was ever written that we could put our hands on. Instructions on searching the PDF files. Distribute the Adobe Acrobat reader on the CD. Include a PDF version of AC43-13b, all the FAA forms and circulars needed by the experimental aircraft community. Along with anything else we could get that was applicable to the KR Builders. Larry was not the one sitting on his hands to publish. The first issue was in the can ready to be printed with the second one halfway completed. The subscribers were not there to sustain the publication efforts. No one was, or ever thought, that this was a get rich proposition. Larry spent a lot of time and money acquiring the rights, buying the software, long distance telephone calls, researching printing and mailing costs, doing everything he could to make a go at publication. To no avail, there were not enough subscribers to continue any publication. The CD sales will recoup some of the expenses Larry has incurred in this endeavor. And all he gets for his trouble is your accusations of ineptitude and wrong doing. Happy Holidays David Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire Donald Blankenship wrote: > Larry, > > You and I know from our close correspondence that the way you found me was from my past newsletter articles. You also know I volunteered to be a regular contributor to the newsletter if you had ever published it. You ignored every suggestion from all sources on how to re-start subscriptions. You never attempted to publish even one (1) issue, even for those who already paid you. Your procrastinating, your excuses, your early recognition that you weren't going to be able to afford an office and staff in New York to do the actual work, and your backing out is what prevents there being a newsletter. We also are not all as ignorant as you assume about the deal you made to purchase it, so I’d pull the lips back a little if I were you. But, it appears from your message, you’ll hold the letter for ransom with any line people might believe. > > I kept all of my prior messages to you private to see if you would really do something positive. Your CD sales are a worthy cause. If you want people to know the whole truth, just give me permission here to broadcast every message uncut that was sent between you and I last summer before you started to show your true colors. > > Before you tighten your own noose (remember them CDs), recognize that I said I didn't blame you. The newsletter is hard work, and it is the essentially non-profit end. It takes a special person, and no one blames you for not being that person, but try selling it elsewhere. However, if you ever meant a single word about "saving" it, give the publishing end away to someone not expecting to make a nice living off it. > > Don Blankenship > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry A. Capps" > Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:41:01 -0600 > To: "KR Builders List \(E-mail\)" > Subject: KR> Please Donate the Newsletter > > > Mr. Don Blankenship, et al, > > > > You speak so eloquently for others, maybe the actual term used should be > > hypocrite. Not only did you NOT support the newsletter, but now you'd like > > to gripe and point fingers and ridicule those willing to put the money up > > and at least make the effort. People like you are exactly why the > > newsletter has died, what can one do without support. > > > > Its not about money Don, it's about articles to be written; without adequate > > subscribers there is no resources to pull from and no news or articles to > > print. > > > > I do however giggle slightly at your attitude towards the newsletter effort, > > that is to say, you not only want to complain about who produces the > > newsletter, you'd also like someone else to pay for your copy of the > > newsletter. > > > > Here's how we can solve your little problem Don. If my purchasing of the KR > > Newsletter bothers you that much, I'd be happy to disclose to you a sale > > price, to purchase it. You can buy the newsletter from me and donate it to > > whom ever you desire. And Don, you'll be able to make that decision on your > > own, not for someone else. > > > > What do you think, Don? > > > > Larry A. Capps > > KR Newsletter > > Naperville, IL > > mailto:lacapps@attbi.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Donald Blankenship [mailto:dgb@usa.com] > > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 > > Subject: Re: KR> Please Donate the Newsletter > > > > Now that the newsletter has been put "on hold," reality must sink in. > > > > If the newsletter is eventually to be published again, > > it needs such a devoted and unselfish person to assume > > the responsiblities -- someone who really wants to make a try at it. > > > > What do you think, Larry? > > > > If you truly saved the newsletter, this idea should appeal to you. > > > > Don Blankenship > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > -- > __________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > One click access to the Top Search Engines > http://www.exactsearchbar.com/mailcom > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:54:58 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Please Donate the Newsletter Message-ID: <060f01c29e65$3456bb60$0a00a8c0@800Athlon> > When the KRnet started years ago, I remember that the people who started it > had a attitude. The attitude was, as I perceived it, lets put the News > letter out of business, after all email is the future, almost everyone > agreed. Am I wrong? I really don't remember it being that way. We did have conversations about how an online version would work better, but I don't remember anybody saying that the Newsletter should be put out of business. We started KROnline when Earl Teporten's Newsletter got so bad it almost worthless to KR builders, but promptly stopped "publication" as soon as Monte took over, because we expected (and got) a much better newsletter. It was apparent to me then, as well as now, that KROnline was a much better forum, being linked, in color, and most importantly, free, but we respected the Newsletter's presence, and made an effort NOT to compete with it. I just took a quick walk through Larry's search engine with "Newsletter" as the keyword, paying particular attention to the early posts, and I found several good mentions of the newsletter, but no negative ones. I think we all acknowlege that the Newsletter has its place for those who don't have internet connections. My earliest mention of the Newsletter on KRnet was in August and October of 97, and I said nothing but good things about it, but was a little puzzled at how Monte could cover the Gathering which was hugely influenced by KRnet, without mentioning it even once. I feel sure that it was deliberate, becuase he saw KRnet as competition for his subscribers' attention. Once somebody found KRnet, they might not see a need for the Newsletter. But many of us liked to get it, read it, save it, and we continued to support it all the way to the end, despite being ignored by the editor. You'd have thought that if the Newsletter were really intended to be a tool to educate and enlighten KR builders, KRnet would have been mentioned often, and in glowing terms, but no, it was never mentioned until the Newsletter was almost dead. I'd like to mention that I'm also glad Larry saved the back issues of the Newsletter and released them to us on CD. It's a valuable resource that was simply unobtainable before (unless you copied a fellow builder's stash), since no amount of money could buy you a full set from Monte. And the fact that it's instantly searchable through Acrobat makes it an indispensible tool for KR builders. I don't blame him a bit for "selling" them, as he had to find some way to recoup the money paid to Monte for the Newsletter. I just don't understand why Monte would donate the old Newsletter rights to the EAA rather than to the builders themselves, and I was hoping that nobody would pay him anything so we could buy them for cheap at the last minute. That would have been a gamble though, and now we have them, and that's good enough for me. Don't forget to send me your KROnline articles... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:02:44 -0600 To: , "'Mark Langford'" From: "Larry A. Capps" Subject: RE: KR> Please Donate the Newsletter Message-ID: <000401c29e66$4a815d40$0200a8c0@schpankme> Because, he would have taken a TAX Right-Off from a non-profit organization. Larry A. Capps Naperville, IL -----Original Message----- I just don't understand why Monte would donate the old Newsletter rights to the EAA rather than to the builders themselves Mark Langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:28:14 -0400 To: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Pedro_Pinz=F3n?= Subject: retractable gear question. Message-ID: <018201c29e51$708f3c10$3e5f2cc8@personalskw7y6> ------=_NextPart_000_0179_01C29E2F.2B24AAB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys. I=B4m in the boat stage righ now, and thinking about what landing gear = to use. Really, I like how the KR2 with retractable gear looks, but to = many people decides for other type of gears. Why?. Are there heavy = reasons to do that? Apart of more weigh and complexity are there some = technical things what about I dont have read yet? Also, Is there any = KR2S using retractable gears?. Plans don=B4t say anything about. Thanks for help ------=_NextPart_000_0179_01C29E2F.2B24AAB0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:26:09 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Rick Wilson Subject: Re: KR> retractable gear question. Message-ID: <20021208022609.4772.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> Pedro, The reason most people don't use the old retract system that was on the first KR2's is because they had a nasty habit of failing and letting the plane hit the ground, also if you did any kind of hard landing the gear would punch holes up through the wings. Besides not being reliable, they were a handful to use according to what I've read about them. Best regards, Rick Wilson. --- Pedro_Pinzón wrote: > Hi guys. > I´m in the boat stage righ now, and thinking about > what landing gear to use. Really, I like how the KR2 > with retractable gear looks, but to many people > decides for other type of gears. Why?. Are there > heavy reasons to do that? Apart of more weigh and > complexity are there some technical things what > about I dont have read yet? Also, Is there any KR2S > using retractable gears?. Plans don´t say anything > about. > Thanks for help > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:02:07 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Flymaca711689@aol.com Subject: 0200 firewall Message-ID: <19e.d30daf3.2b23f40f@aol.com> --part1_19e.d30daf3.2b23f40f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thank you all for all the data and information on the continual power plant firewall forward the only data that i did not get was firewall modafcations if any? oem firewall was 1/4 ply oo.5 ss 0.40 asbestos any ifmation would be appreciated. mac n1055a --part1_19e.d30daf3.2b23f40f_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:44:59 -0800 (PST) To: Group KR NET From: Tim Brown Subject: law/joke Message-ID: <20021208014459.45346.qmail@web40905.mail.yahoo.com> With all this chatter recently about litigation I recall a post from March of 01 (can't recall who or the exact date). It gave a list of funny pilot complaints and engineer responses such as: dead bugs on windshield live bugs on back order number 3 engine missing number 3 engine found on wing Anyway, one was: pilot:evidence of leak on right main landing gear engineer: evidence removed My addition is: lawyer:lawsuit spoliationtion of evidence receives $1,000,000.00 in punitive damages Tim __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:47:34 -0600 To: From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> law/joke Message-ID: <000d01c29e64$299f0200$05d81a18@hot.rr.com> Tim, I have a copy saved of that "Airline Repair Logs" if you would like to have a copy, e-mail me off net. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brown" To: "Group KR NET" Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 7:44 PM Subject: KR> law/joke > With all this chatter recently about litigation I > recall a post from March of 01 (can't recall who > or the exact date). > > It gave a list of funny pilot complaints and > engineer responses such as: > > dead bugs on windshield > live bugs on back order > > number 3 engine missing > number 3 engine found on wing > > > Anyway, one was: > > pilot:evidence of leak on right main landing gear > engineer: evidence removed > > My addition is: > > lawyer:lawsuit spoliationtion of evidence > receives $1,000,000.00 in punitive damages > > Tim > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:39:46 -0800 To: From: "Peter Johnson" Subject: Gloves, Strobes, and Peel-Ply Message-ID: <001d01c29e7c$5e27dfc0$2aa5e2d1@peter> ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C29E39.293A3440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's a couple of things I hope may be of assistance to others: GLOVES - I've used vinyl gloves for doing layups and they're not worth = the box they come in. I've not tried latex because of a composite = workers concerns for reactions, and the kitchen variety rubber gloves we = commonly use working on large hulls are too heavy and finicky for = aircraft use. Recently I've been trying NITRILE gloves and am very = happy with them, tough and close fitting. They're just under $20 CDN = for a box of 100 at Acklands. Strobes - I picked up an 'industrial vehicle' strobe from Acklands, it's = advertised as having 150,000 candle power. The electrics are located in = the base of the strobe, the lens screws on and off, and the bulb is pin = mounted. I'm going to locat the base in the fuse, run wires up to an = epoxy cast base, and fit a lens from the back end of a 6 volt lantern. = The whole thing weighs less than a pound and cost $39.95. PEEL-PLY - It can be wrapped around tight, complex curves, you need to = apply it in strips narrow enough as to prevent wrinkles when you lay it. = I've peel-plied the ring bulkheads on my turtledeck and canopy frame, = they're 2.5" deep, .75" thick, and curved on about a 18" radius. I used = strips that were 6" wide and had no problem. Hope this is of help to someone.... Peter Johnson KR-2Sexy with a Corvair Kenora, Ontario mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C29E39.293A3440-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:34:57 -0600 To: From: "Larry A. Capps" Subject: Gloves, Strobes, and Peel-Ply Message-ID: <000201c29e73$29d4e140$0200a8c0@schpankme> Epoxy and solvents are ALL skin and eye irritants, skin sensitizers and corrosive. So, you must keep the stuff off of you to avoid problems. Nitrile or Butyl Gloves are by far the best protection for the hands. Gels and Barrier Creams work best on the forearms above the gloves for that occasional splash. I myself developed an allergic reaction to aluminum. A couple of weeks ago I was working on an all metal airplane. By the end of the day, my hands were bleeding all over the place. They eventually healed up, but....maybe I should have been wearing GLOVES.... >:) - G Larry A. Capps Naperville, IL -----Original Message----- GLOVES - I've used vinyl gloves for doing layups and they're not worth the box they come in. Recently, I've been trying NITRILE gloves and am very happy with them, tough and close fitting. They're just under $20 CDN for a box of 100 at Acklands. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:14:34 -0800 To: "kr" From: "Bob Sauer" Subject: Screws Message-ID: <00ae01c29e70$5206d360$0696bbd0@home> ------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01C29E2D.42385460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know what PK screws are? I saw them mentioned for use in = holding a fiberglas tailcone in place. Bob Sauer Las Vegas' From: resauer@softcom.net ------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01C29E2D.42385460-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:32:40 -0600 To: From: "Rick Human" Subject: Re: KR> Screws Message-ID: <007801c29e72$d86bd0c0$07d4dacf@compaq> PK are self tapping screws normaly used in metal construction, but can be used in 'glas. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Sauer" To: "kr" Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 10:14 PM Subject: KR> Screws Does anyone know what PK screws are? I saw them mentioned for use in holding a fiberglas tailcone in place. Bob Sauer Las Vegas' From: resauer@softcom.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 01:30:47 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Donald Blankenship" Subject: Re: KR> Donate the Newsletter , Re:Mullins Message-ID: <20021208063047.20306.qmail@mail.com> David, About a third or more of the responses to mine and Larry's messages have been for us just to shut up already. They don't want to read it. For those who need no further reply, read no further. Per your request for a reply, your message below was excellent. It defends Larry, so in fairness I'll reply to it instead of the almost uniform messages that cheered my notes. Your message points out that Larry acquired quite a lot of support including yours and mine to help formulate a new newsletter. He did nothing with any of that support and did not send out any newsletters. The fact that he didn't tell me about your work or you about my volunteering more articles or about the support of others makes one wonder. If a single newsletter had actually been issued, it might have shown an inkling of sincerity in his solicitations for money. Instead, all people received were cruel accusations of plots, lies, deceit, and cries for extra donations above and beyond the subscription price. In my two e-mails on the subject (not the cut down versions Larry creates to make people angry), my only intention was to suggest the newsletter be donated if it's so non-profitable, which everyone agrees it is. Give it to someone who wants it, and responders have told me those suggestions have been made to Larry before. As for the CDs, I commended his sales calling it a worthy cause and calling it quite reasonable at $47. Continuing with those sales would be admirable -- or someone might want to pay him for the CD rights along with the newsletter if he posts a price. I don't know of anyone who would want to pay for the newsletter alone, so donating it to whoever might want to publish it would be the thing a nice person might think to do without prodding. Also, as I pointed out, Larry found me by looking at my past written contributions to the newsletter and by finding my name on past subscription lists. I subscribed for years and would have subscribed if it had really been published, not just 'in the can' somewhere. He had my guaranteed support and yours, and he threw it all away. The only idea or contribution he implemented was my suggestion for him to sign up for PayPal, which he did immediately to receive payments. I'm happy I didn't send him any money. I am sad that the newsletter is dead. If he doesn’t kill the CD sales with more whining, he’ll get a return on his investment, then maybe go on to more lucrative ventures. I appreciate all of the messages of support for bringing to light that the newsletter is dead -- not just "on hold." And as requested by one KRnetter, I should, "Be nice, Don." I'd prefer not to have to reply as requested again, but will accomodate. --Don Blankenship --------------------------------- To avoid confusion with the versions of my messages Larry puts out, my original e-mail on the subject is printed below in its entirity before listing D. Mullins message: From: "Donald Blankenship" [Save Address] [Block Sender] To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Cc: Subject: Re: KR> Please Donate the Newsletter Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 20:39:11 -0500 Over the years, few negative comments accumulated about the people who published (really published) the newsletter. As builders and enthusiasts, we owe those folks our highest gratitude. They worked unimaginably long and hard hours --full time and more-- to provide us an invaluable media for information exchange. They also did all of the work for essentially nada--nothing--zippo--the big zed--no profit. Run the numbers any way you want and include costs of computer hardware and software, printing (wow), paper, communications, shipping, and a pile of items we would never consider for 12 issues a year. Whatever funds remained from the few hundred subscriptions could be considered coffee and pop money for the late night publishing hours. Now that the newsletter has been put "on hold," reality must sink in. No one but a most dedicated soul would put out the newsletter. No one should be expected to do it, although when the work is actually done, that person or persons deserves a testimonial. This is not a nomination, but Mark Langford is such a person. He carries the bulk of the load in managing our information gratis and has done so with vigor and great knowledge of what he is doing in the workshop. He enjoys it, and that is his reward. It is his avocation, one of his hobbies. If the newsletter is eventually to be published again, it needs such a devoted and unselfish person to assume the responsiblities -- someone who really wants to make a try at it. If anyone wants to publish the newsletter knowing in advance that it is not a cash crop, they should send their comments to Larry Capps. He can tell you it doesn't appear to be a profitable venture. He can also tell you it sounds like too much work, so you must be dedicated and enjoy it. Larry sells a CD of publishers’ and contributors’ past work at a reasonable $47 per pop including shipping. Maybe knowing now with absolute certainty that the CD is where the money is, and the newsletter is where the labor and no profits are at any price, he may be willing to donate the rights to publishing the newsletter to another in the long line of honorable people who have served as managing editors and publishers of the newsletter. Alternatively, there's nothing wrong with anyone starting up a fresh newsletter under a different heading and giving it a shot if that is what someone would like to do. What do you think, Larry? If you truly saved the newsletter, this idea should appeal to you. Any objections? Don Blankenship ----- Original Message ----- From: David Mullins Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 19:20:39 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Please Donate the Newsletter > Don, > > I don't know what your problem is with Larry. He did save > the newsletter from the clutches of EAA. Never to be seen > again! > > I helped Larry get the first layout finished for the newsletter > he was to publish. Larry and I spent many countless hours > at night on the computer and on the phone discussing the > new logo, pictures, and layout formats. We discussed printing > solutions, postage costs, both domestic and international. I > got Larry a discount on QuarkXpress, PhotoShop, and other > software needed to create a first rate newsletter for the KR > community. As a contributing editor, I promised him a one > to two page article with pictures for the newsletter every > month. We decided to make this the best newsletter the KR > community would see. > > I was the longest subscription holder at the time of Monte's > decision to halt publication. I was owed 20 months of issues > as I had just renewed for two more years. Monte was just > going to take the money and run. Leaving all 200+ subscribers > out to dry. Monte was telling everyone that contacted him > about subscription refunds that Larry would continue their > subscriptions. That was not part of the deal to sell the > newsletter. This would have caused Larry to carry the nut > for continuing publication without any income to offset the > cost of printing and postage. Nothing can survive with a > negative cash flow. > > 100+ of those subscribers were due 6 months or more of > issues. I was instrumental in getting Monte to issue refunds > to those people. Out of those 200+ subscribers only 76 > decided to keep the newsletter going. Question, Were you > one of those 76 people? or not? > > If you were not, then you were part of the demise of the > KR Newsletter too, and have to accept the consequences > of your actions by putting another nail in the newsletter's > coffin. > > I for one, looked forward to receiving the newsletter each > month. That is why I renewed my subscription for another > two years. > > Larry and I discussed improvements to the CD with reprints > of articles in Sport Aviation and Kitplanes. Everything that > was ever written that we could put our hands on. Instructions > on searching the PDF files. Distribute the Adobe Acrobat > reader on the CD. Include a PDF version of AC43-13b, all the > FAA forms and circulars needed by the experimental aircraft > community. Along with anything else we could get that was > applicable to the KR Builders. > > Larry was not the one sitting on his hands to publish. The > first issue was in the can ready to be printed with the > second one halfway completed. The subscribers were not > there to sustain the publication efforts. No one was, or ever > thought, that this was a get rich proposition. > > Larry spent a lot of time and money acquiring the rights, buying > the software, long distance telephone calls, researching printing > and mailing costs, doing everything he could to make a go at > publication. To no avail, there were not enough subscribers to > continue any publication. The CD sales will recoup some of the > expenses Larry has incurred in this endeavor. And all he gets > for his trouble is your accusations of ineptitude and wrong doing. > > > Happy Holidays > > David Mullins > Nashua, New Hampshire > > > > > > Donald Blankenship wrote: > > > Larry, > > > > You and I know from our close correspondence that the way you found me was from my past newsletter articles. You also know I volunteered to be a regular contributor to the newsletter if you had ever published it. You ignored every suggestion from all sources on how to re-start subscriptions. You never attempted to publish even one (1) issue, even for those who already paid you. Your procrastinating, your excuses, your early recognition that you weren't going to be able to afford an office and staff in New York to do the actual work, and your backing out is what prevents there being a newsletter. We also are not all as ignorant as you assume about the deal you made to purchase it, so I’d pull the lips back a little if I were you. But, it appears from your message, you’ll hold the letter for ransom with any line people might believe. > > > > I kept all of my prior messages to you private to see if you would really do something positive. Your CD sales are a worthy cause. If you want people to know the whole truth, just give me permission here to broadcast every message uncut that was sent between you and I last summer before you started to show your true colors. > > > > Before you tighten your own noose (remember them CDs), recognize that I said I didn't blame you. The newsletter is hard work, and it is the essentially non-profit end. It takes a special person, and no one blames you for not being that person, but try selling it elsewhere. However, if you ever meant a single word about "saving" it, give the publishing end away to someone not expecting to make a nice living off it. > > > > Don Blankenship > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Larry A. Capps" > > Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:41:01 -0600 > > To: "KR Builders List \(E-mail\)" > > Subject: KR> Please Donate the Newsletter > > > > > Mr. Don Blankenship, et al, > > > > > > You speak so eloquently for others, maybe the actual term used should be > > > hypocrite. Not only did you NOT support the newsletter, but now you'd like > > > to gripe and point fingers and ridicule those willing to put the money up > > > and at least make the effort. People like you are exactly why the > > > newsletter has died, what can one do without support. > > > > > > Its not about money Don, it's about articles to be written; without adequate > > > subscribers there is no resources to pull from and no news or articles to > > > print. > > > > > > I do however giggle slightly at your attitude towards the newsletter effort, > > > that is to say, you not only want to complain about who produces the > > > newsletter, you'd also like someone else to pay for your copy of the > > > newsletter. > > > > > > Here's how we can solve your little problem Don. If my purchasing of the KR > > > Newsletter bothers you that much, I'd be happy to disclose to you a sale > > > price, to purchase it. You can buy the newsletter from me and donate it to > > > whom ever you desire. And Don, you'll be able to make that decision on your > > > own, not for someone else. > > > > > > What do you think, Don? > > > > > > Larry A. Capps > > > KR Newsletter > > > Naperville, IL > > > mailto:lacapps@attbi.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Donald Blankenship [mailto:dgb@usa.com] > > > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 > > > Subject: Re: KR> Please Donate the Newsletter > > > > > > Now that the newsletter has been put "on hold," reality must sink in. > > > > > > If the newsletter is eventually to be published again, > > > it needs such a devoted and unselfish person to assume > > > the responsiblities -- someone who really wants to make a try at it. > > > > > > What do you think, Larry? > > > > > > If you truly saved the newsletter, this idea should appeal to you. > > > > > > Don Blankenship > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > > > -- > > __________________________________________________________ > > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com > > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > > One click access to the Top Search Engines > > http://www.exactsearchbar.com/mailcom > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup One click access to the Top Search Engines http://www.exactsearchbar.com/mailcom ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 03:51:33 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: ArmChrAce@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Trailing Edge Technologies, LLC Message-ID: <49.27a46d07.2b246215@aol.com> Hello KRnetheads A word or two from an outsider on liability. Product liability is the biggest hoax since the dawn of time. It is based on fear and ignorance, not fact. It is used to make lawyers and insurance companies fat at the consumers expense. Liability, like debt, if it is honost liability cannot be avoided. However, most, if not all, liability claims made by or through a lawyer is pure fraud and can be counterclaimed as such. It is unfortunate that most goods and services are provided by people ignorant of the statutes concerning product liability. In their ignorance, when they are confronted by a lawyer, instead of reaching for a rope or gun, they start imagining all sort of horrible possibilities. They can see in their minds eye the fantastic increase in their insurance premiums. If they would only look at the claim they would see that it is not supported by an affidavit the most basic element of a claim. No lawyer is going to have his client (fish) to sign one of those. This lack of the most elemental component of a claim makes the lawyer and its client liable for the injury of filing a fraudulent claim. that is why lawyers carry either a bond or liability insurance through the State Bar Association. Corporations, LLC's and other creations of the State can be required to carry insurances on everything they do. Large Corporation can pass the cost of insurance and legal (?) fees to a large consumer base, if it has a large consumer base. Small, family organizations are caught is the squeeze and in the sites of the greedy legal profession. For the last several years I have been involved in setting up private trusts to help people with small businesses avoid frivilous claims. No organization can make someone immune from liability, if that liability exists. The proper organization can, however, protect from fraudulent claims. Did you ever notice how lawyers dump their client when they find that there is on deep pockets to draw from. I strongly urge anyone with a good product or service to continue in business, just restructure your business to avoid lawyers and mandatory insurances. Ernest C. Aldridge armchrace@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 06:37:07 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Tort Message-Id: <3DF35913.000006.01052@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_VX1T12S0000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_WX1TRN00000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_WX1TRN00000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_WX1TWCW0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_WX1TWCW0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had a friend who's husband, from whom she was divorced, died and left h= er a large sum of money. His family sued her for what they thought should b= e their part. Rather than give a large chunk of the money to the lawyers, = she gave it to them.=0D =0D I call it legalized extortion.=0D =0D These people are trying to do something about it, but I am not sure there= is much hope.=0D =0D =0D http://www.lawsuitabusetax.com/=0D =0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC=0D =0D See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D =0D KR Purchasing Info at: http://fly-kr.com =20 --------------Boundary-00=_WX1TWCW0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I had a friend who's husband, from whom she was divorced, died and l= eft her a large sum of money.  His family sued her for what they tho= ught should be their part.  Rather than give a large chunk of the mo= ney to the lawyers, she gave it to them.
 
I call it legalized extortion.
 
These people are trying to do something about it, but I am not sure = there is much hope.
 
 
 
 

DanRH@KR-Builder.org

See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,

Daniel R= =2E Heath - Lexington, SC

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See our EAA Chapte= r 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG

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