From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 10 Dec 2002 14:01:26 -0000 Issue 571 Date: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 6:02 AM krnet Digest 10 Dec 2002 14:01:26 -0000 Issue 571 Topics (messages 13683 through 13704): Re: GPS's and power supply 13683 by: gleone 13686 by: Ron Thomas in defense of the Corvair 13684 by: Flymaca711689.aol.com Re: Redneck Pilot? 13685 by: jake roth Facet fuel pump 13687 by: Brian Kraut 13688 by: Robert X. Cringely 13696 by: Serge Vidal 13697 by: Serge Vidal 13698 by: Steve Glover 13699 by: Kobus de Wet 13700 by: Dan Heath 13702 by: larry flesner KRnet 13689 by: kevin 13690 by: Bob 13691 by: Mark Langford A little truth here 13692 by: Steven Eberhart Re: Trailing Edge Technologies, LLC 13693 by: Dean Collette 13703 by: virgnvs.juno.com Re: On liability 13694 by: JEHayward.aol.com McCulloch Drone Engine 13695 by: Leo & Gail Dondlinger 13701 by: larry flesner Re: KR Longest Sub ? 13704 by: virgnvs.juno.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 16:12:20 -0700 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: gleone Subject: Re: KR> GPS's and power supply Message-ID: <3DF52354.329D8CC5@tritel.net> I said Garman and I meant Magellan 315. Since then, I bought the software for the Compaq iPac along with GPS (from TigerDirect) and now have a color, large(-r) screen display GPS. It's the same thing Sporty's sells but for hundreds less. Sorry I can't help you find the database on a Garman. Sorry about the confusion, too. Hey, I'm having a senior moment! Okay!? (One has to laugh at ones self now and again!) Gene clappw@bellsouth.net wrote: > Where do you located the aviation database for the Garmin 315 or 320? I > found the units but not the databases? Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gleone" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 10:01 AM > Subject: Re: KR> GPS's and power supply > > > Check E-Bay for the Garman 315/320. It comes with an aviation database, > is > > updatable and cost me something like $130 (US). Accessories are optional > but as > > far a mounting it, velcro works wonders. > > > > Serge Vidal wrote: > > > > > On ZS-WEC, I use a Garmin GPS 315, the cheapest aviation unit I could > find > > > here in South AFrica. It is actually a marine GPS, that has been > converted > > > for aviation by changing the database. So far, I'm happy with it. > > > > > > Nav, comms, GPS and Intercom are always cheaper as handhld unit. I > suppose > > > it has to do with certification. Then you sit with an endless battery > > > charging problem. > > > > > > After my first year flying ZS-WEC, I got tired with charging batteries, > and > > > desperately looked for solutions. So, when I rebuilt the instrument > panel, I > > > installed three panel-mounted sockets. One is a dedicated socket, and > feeds > > > the radio. The two others are cigarette-lighter sockets. One feeds the > GPS > > > (almost all GPS have cigarette lighter adapters available for them, and > if > > > not, cell-phone adapters will do the job too). The third one is a > spare,that > > > can be used for anything like a spotlight, a camera...) > > > > > > Today, the only battery left on board is a 9V dry-cell for the Intercom. > But > > > that one lasts forever, provided, of course, that you remeber to switch > the > > > Intercom off after landing! > > > > > > Serge Vidal > > > KR2 ZS-WEC > > > Johannesburg, South Africa > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:51:34 -0500 To: From: "Ron Thomas" Subject: Re: KR> GPS's and power supply Message-ID: <002401c29fdd$e8b107e0$c843a8c0@faaguy> http://home.stny.rr.com/bkw/315/ (CHECK THIS SITE ) MEGELLAN 315 DOWNLOADS. Not sure how it works but has links to other places. ----- Original Message ----- From: "gleone" To: Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 6:12 PM Subject: Re: KR> GPS's and power supply > I said Garman and I meant Magellan 315. Since then, I bought the software for > the Compaq iPac along with GPS (from TigerDirect) and now have a color, > large(-r) screen display GPS. It's the same thing Sporty's sells but for > hundreds less. Sorry I can't help you find the database on a Garman. Sorry > about the confusion, too. Hey, I'm having a senior moment! Okay!? (One has to > laugh at ones self now and again!) Gene > > clappw@bellsouth.net wrote: > > > Where do you located the aviation database for the Garmin 315 or 320? I > > found the units but not the databases? Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "gleone" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 10:01 AM > > Subject: Re: KR> GPS's and power supply > > > > > Check E-Bay for the Garman 315/320. It comes with an aviation database, > > is > > > updatable and cost me something like $130 (US). Accessories are optional > > but as > > > far a mounting it, velcro works wonders. > > > > > > Serge Vidal wrote: > > > > > > > On ZS-WEC, I use a Garmin GPS 315, the cheapest aviation unit I could > > find > > > > here in South AFrica. It is actually a marine GPS, that has been > > converted > > > > for aviation by changing the database. So far, I'm happy with it. > > > > > > > > Nav, comms, GPS and Intercom are always cheaper as handhld unit. I > > suppose > > > > it has to do with certification. Then you sit with an endless battery > > > > charging problem. > > > > > > > > After my first year flying ZS-WEC, I got tired with charging batteries, > > and > > > > desperately looked for solutions. So, when I rebuilt the instrument > > panel, I > > > > installed three panel-mounted sockets. One is a dedicated socket, and > > feeds > > > > the radio. The two others are cigarette-lighter sockets. One feeds the > > GPS > > > > (almost all GPS have cigarette lighter adapters available for them, and > > if > > > > not, cell-phone adapters will do the job too). The third one is a > > spare,that > > > > can be used for anything like a spotlight, a camera...) > > > > > > > > Today, the only battery left on board is a 9V dry-cell for the Intercom. > > But > > > > that one lasts forever, provided, of course, that you remeber to switch > > the > > > > Intercom off after landing! > > > > > > > > Serge Vidal > > > > KR2 ZS-WEC > > > > Johannesburg, South Africa > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:42:36 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Flymaca711689@aol.com Subject: KR> in defense of the Corvair Message-ID: --part1_f6.25728aec.2b26846c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oscar IM not bang on it all i said is that i did like them but they are temperamental in car form. i have been drooling over both marks power plant for the last six months. back to the ford crap the 3.8 is poor engine for car use but javelin makes conversions for aircraft and i have seen them in aircraft and the guys that use um love um? back to the corvair do you remember the hi po version what a beast turbocharged i think my have been supercharged .sorry if your mad with me just think how i feel about bang on henry ford man that put usa on wheels you can have any color you want as long as it was black ok time for some humour dale earnhardts first stock car was a(pink) 56 ford!!!!!!!!!!! mac --part1_f6.25728aec.2b26846c_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:44:06 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: jake roth Subject: Re: KR> Redneck Pilot? Message-ID: <20021209234406.47962.qmail@web21001.mail.yahoo.com> Hey Jim you forgot the ..."gun rack in the back of the canopy"......Jack --- Jim Snyder wrote: > Hey, y'all > Let's lighten up a bit. Here's some humor you > might enjoy. > Cheers ---- Jim (new kid on the block.) > > > > You May be a Redneck Pilot if... > > > > > > >... your stall warning plays "Dixie." > > > > > >... your cross-country flight plan uses flea > markets as check points. > > > > > >... you think sectionals charts should show > trailer parks. > > > > > >... you've ever used moonshine as avgas. > > > > > >... you have mud flaps on your wheel pants. > > > > > >... you think GPS stands for going perfectly > straight. > > > > > >... your toothpick keeps poking your mike. > > > > > >... you constantly confuse Beechcraft with > Beechnut. > > > > > >... just before impact, you are heard saying, > "Hey y'all, watch this!" > > > > > >... you have a black airplane with a big #3 on > the side. > > > > > >... you've ever just taxied around the airport > drinking beer. > > > > > >... you use a Purina feed bag for a windsock. > > > > > >... you fuel your wizzbang 140 from a Mason jar. > > > > > >... you wouldn't be caught dead flyin' a Grumman > "Yankee." > > > > > >... you refer to flying in formation as "We got > ourselves a convoy!" > > > > > >... there is a sign on the side of your aircraft > advertising your > > >septic tank service. > > > > > >... the set of "matching luggage" you take on > your long > > >cross-country flights is three grocery sacks from > the same Piggly > > >Wiggly! > > > > > >... when you are the owner of Red Neck Airlines > and pilot of Redneck > > >One. > > > > > >... you subscribe to The Southern Aviator because > of the soft paper! > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:56:23 -0500 To: krnet From: Brian Kraut Subject: Facet fuel pump Message-ID: <3DF6A957.9060700@earthlink.net> I put on a Facet fuel pump just for that little bit of extra insurance during take off and climb. I noticed that fuel flow through the pump when it is not running is much less than without the pump. I haven't measured the flow yet, but it definitely cuts down the flow rate at least 20% over what it is without the pump. Obviously, flow is very good with the pump running. Is it normal for the Facet to restrict flow that much when it is not running? I wanted it just for extra flow when I am nose up, but I can't even keep the engine running at high power on the ground with it shut off. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:58:02 -0800 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Robert X. Cringely" Subject: Re: KR> Facet fuel pump Message-Id: Facet pumps (the little blocky ones) are intended for continuous use. While they can be used as boost pumps, that's not what they are designed for. So while they will flow when turned off, this was considered by the engineers to be primarily a safety feature since they expected the pumps to be running whenever the engine is running. Bob >I put on a Facet fuel pump just for that little bit of extra >insurance during take off and climb. I noticed that fuel flow >through the pump when it is not running is much less than without >the pump. I haven't measured the flow yet, but it definitely cuts >down the flow rate at least 20% over what it is without the pump. >Obviously, flow is very good with the pump running. Is it normal >for the Facet to restrict flow that much when it is not running? I >wanted it just for extra flow when I am nose up, but I can't even >keep the engine running at high power on the ground with it shut off. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For >additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:26:13 +0200 To: From: "Serge Vidal" Subject: RE: KR> Facet fuel pump Message-ID: <000801c2a01d$f723a7c0$450227c4@sergevidal12> Yep, but the only reason why they are approved is that they have that internal free flow bypass... which could definitely work better! Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Johannesburg, South Africa -----Original Message----- From: Robert X. Cringely [mailto:bob@cringely.com] Sent: 10 December 2002 04:58 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Facet fuel pump Facet pumps (the little blocky ones) are intended for continuous use. While they can be used as boost pumps, that's not what they are designed for. So while they will flow when turned off, this was considered by the engineers to be primarily a safety feature since they expected the pumps to be running whenever the engine is running. Bob >I put on a Facet fuel pump just for that little bit of extra >insurance during take off and climb. I noticed that fuel flow >through the pump when it is not running is much less than without >the pump. I haven't measured the flow yet, but it definitely cuts >down the flow rate at least 20% over what it is without the pump. >Obviously, flow is very good with the pump running. Is it normal >for the Facet to restrict flow that much when it is not running? I >wanted it just for extra flow when I am nose up, but I can't even >keep the engine running at high power on the ground with it shut off. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For >additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:31:43 +0200 To: , From: "Serge Vidal" Subject: RE: KR> Facet fuel pump Message-ID: <000001c2a022$89cd4aa0$e100a8c0@sergevidal12> I noticed the same thing. I have been trying to find a way to run the Facet in parallel with a free line (maybe with a non return valve?) Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Johannesburg, South Africa -----Original Message----- From: Brian Kraut [mailto:engalt@earthlink.net] Sent: 11 December 2002 04:56 To: krnet Subject: KR> Facet fuel pump I put on a Facet fuel pump just for that little bit of extra insurance during take off and climb. I noticed that fuel flow through the pump when it is not running is much less than without the pump. I haven't measured the flow yet, but it definitely cuts down the flow rate at least 20% over what it is without the pump. Obviously, flow is very good with the pump running. Is it normal for the Facet to restrict flow that much when it is not running? I wanted it just for extra flow when I am nose up, but I can't even keep the engine running at high power on the ground with it shut off. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:26:52 -0800 To: , From: "Steve Glover" Subject: Re: KR> Facet fuel pump Message-ID: <000b01c2a025$e4af6810$c18afea9@IntelliSpec> Serge and all, I used a faucet pump for take-off and landing only on a previous plane. It seemed to work well and I never had any fuel flow problems. A "T" was installed at the gascolator which fed to the fuel pump and also gravity feed from the gascolator direct to the carb. On the feed line from the gascolator to the carb, I used an approx 30 degree "T" with a check valve on the fuel pump side. This would only allow fuel to flow to the carb from the fuel pump with the pump on, but could not flow back when the fuel pump was off. Again, it seemed to work well and I was happy because I didn't need to run the pump continuously. This was with a float bowl type carb. I don't know if this would work with the POSA/ Ellison/ RevFlow carbs or not. Regards, Steve Glover KR-2 (priming for final paint) Rancho Santa Margarita, Ca. n925sg@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serge Vidal" To: ; Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 11:31 PM Subject: RE: KR> Facet fuel pump > I noticed the same thing. I have been trying to find a way to run the Facet > in parallel with a free line (maybe with a non return valve?) > > Serge Vidal > KR2 ZS-WEC > Johannesburg, South Africa > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Kraut [mailto:engalt@earthlink.net] > Sent: 11 December 2002 04:56 > To: krnet > Subject: KR> Facet fuel pump > > > I put on a Facet fuel pump just for that little bit of extra insurance > during take off and climb. I noticed that fuel flow through the pump > when it is not running is much less than without the pump. I haven't > measured the flow yet, but it definitely cuts down the flow rate at > least 20% over what it is without the pump. Obviously, flow is very > good with the pump running. Is it normal for the Facet to restrict flow > that much when it is not running? I wanted it just for extra flow when > I am nose up, but I can't even keep the engine running at high power on > the ground with it shut off. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:43:34 +0200 To: , From: "Kobus de Wet" Subject: Re: KR> Facet fuel pump Message-ID: <001f01c2a030$9c36b2e0$010aa8c0@kobus> ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C2A041.5EA22C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Your Engine driven pump will act as a non return valve so you can plumb = the Facet in after the Engine pump Kobus de Wet ZS-WPX jfdewet@intekom.co.za Cape Town South Africa GMT +2:00 +27219883671 (H) +27219871850 (Fax) +27827888315 (Cell) Webmaster www.home.intekom.com/kobusdw www.stelfly.co.za "Quando Omni Flunkus Somnambutati" "When all else fails, take a nap" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Serge Vidal=20 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org ; engalt@earthlink.net=20 Sent: 10 December 2002 09:31 Subject: RE: KR> Facet fuel pump I noticed the same thing. I have been trying to find a way to run the = Facet in parallel with a free line (maybe with a non return valve?) Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Johannesburg, South Africa -----Original Message----- From: Brian Kraut [mailto:engalt@earthlink.net] Sent: 11 December 2002 04:56 To: krnet Subject: KR> Facet fuel pump I put on a Facet fuel pump just for that little bit of extra insurance during take off and climb. I noticed that fuel flow through the pump when it is not running is much less than without the pump. I haven't measured the flow yet, but it definitely cuts down the flow rate at least 20% over what it is without the pump. Obviously, flow is very good with the pump running. Is it normal for the Facet to restrict = flow that much when it is not running? I wanted it just for extra flow = when I am nose up, but I can't even keep the engine running at high power = on the ground with it shut off. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org=20 For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C2A041.5EA22C00-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 05:52:14 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Facet fuel pump Message-Id: <3DF5F18E.000009.01052@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_27PWMY50000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_37PWH890000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_37PWH890000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How did you make your windshield. You have a very nice canopy.=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC=0D =0D See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D =0D KR Purchasing Info at: http://fly-kr.com =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 01:39:55 AM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org; svidal@icon.co.za=0D Subject: Re: KR> Facet fuel pump=0D =0D Your Engine driven pump will act as a non return valve so you can plumb t= he Facet in after the Engine pump=0D Kobus de Wet ZS-WPX=0D jfdewet@intekom.co.za=0D Cape Town South Africa GMT +2:00=0D +27219883671 (H)=0D +27219871850 (Fax)=0D +27827888315 (Cell)=0D Webmaster=0D www.home.intekom.com/kobusdw=0D www.stelfly.co.za=0D "Quando Omni Flunkus Somnambutati"=0D "When all else fails, take a nap"=0D =0D ----- Original Message ----- =0D From: Serge Vidal =0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org ; engalt@earthlink.net =0D Sent: 10 December 2002 09:31=0D Subject: RE: KR> Facet fuel pump=0D =0D =0D I noticed the same thing. I have been trying to find a way to run the Fac= et=0D in parallel with a free line (maybe with a non return valve?)=0D =0D Serge Vidal=0D KR2 ZS-WEC=0D Johannesburg, South Africa=0D =0D =0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: Brian Kraut [mailto:engalt@earthlink.net]=0D Sent: 11 December 2002 04:56=0D To: krnet=0D Subject: KR> Facet fuel pump=0D =0D =0D I put on a Facet fuel pump just for that little bit of extra insurance=0D during take off and climb. I noticed that fuel flow through the pump=0D when it is not running is much less than without the pump. I haven't=0D measured the flow yet, but it definitely cuts down the flow rate at=0D least 20% over what it is without the pump. Obviously, flow is very=0D good with the pump running. Is it normal for the Facet to restrict flow=0D that much when it is not running? I wanted it just for extra flow when=0D I am nose up, but I can't even keep the engine running at high power on=0D the ground with it shut off.=0D =0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org=0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files --------------Boundary-00=_37PWH890000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
How did you make your windshield.  You have a very nice canopy.=
 

DanRH@KR-Builder.org

See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,

Daniel R= =2E Heath - Lexington, SC

See our KR2 at: ht= tp://kr-builder.org  Click on the Pic.

See our EAA Chapte= r 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG

KR Purchasing Info at= : http://fly-kr.= com 

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Date: Tuesday, Dec= ember 10, 2002 01:39:55 AM
Subject: Re: KR>= ; Facet fuel pump
 
Your Engine driven pump will act as a non return valve s= o you can plumb the Facet in after the Engine pump
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----- Original Message --= ---
From: Serge Vidal
To: KRnet@mailinglists.org ; e= ngalt@earthlink.net
Sent: 10 December 2002 09:31
Subject: RE: = KR> Facet fuel pump


I noticed the same thing. I have been t= rying to find a way to run the Facet
in parallel with a free line (may= be with a non return valve?)

Serge Vidal
KR2 ZS-WEC
Johannes= burg, South Africa


-----Original Message-----
From: Brian K= raut [mailto:engalt@earthlink.net= ]
Sent: 11 December 2002 04:56
To: krnet
Subject: KR> Fac= et fuel pump


I put on a Facet fuel pump just for that little b= it of extra insurance
during take off and climb. I noticed that fuel f= low through the pump
when it is not running is much less than without = the pump. I haven't
measured the flow yet, but it definitely cuts down= the flow rate at
least 20% over what it is without the pump. Obviousl= y, flow is very
good with the pump running. Is it normal for the Facet= to restrict flow
that much when it is not running? I wanted it just f= or extra flow when
I am nose up, but I can't even keep the engine runn= ing at high power on
the ground with it shut off.


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Check the flow rate where it feeds into the carb, not at some other point in the system. YOUR RESULTS MAY VARY- TEST IT! Whatever the system you use you MUST do a flow rate test. I seem to recall the minimum flow is 1.5 times the max power requirement for the engine. You need to get this rate with (worst case) minimum fuel in the tank and max nose up attitude . With my pump only system I intend to install a pressure regulator also as soon as I can find one. The local auto parts store informed me that their supplier just did a NATIONAL recall of all stock because of a defect they found so they have none available right now. Lets hope their replacements are of better quality! Larry Flesner flesner@midwest.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:17:01 -0600 To: From: "kevin" Subject: KRnet Message-ID: <007c01c29ffa$9c3a44e0$a8363a41@hppav> ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C29FC8.50CD42A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How do I remove my address off of the forwards, but remain a member of = the group? I want to look at the postings on site rather than receive = all the emails. =20 Thanks! Kevin Golden. ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C29FC8.50CD42A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 21:25:33 +0000 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Bob Subject: Re: KR> KRnet Message-ID: <3DF50A4D.78EC9DC3@hcnews.com> On reply request...gee I woouldn't know how to help you..sorry.bob kevin wrote: > Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Encoding: quoted-printable ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:49:58 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> KRnet Message-ID: <003001c29fff$365915c0$0a00a8c0@800Athlon> Kevin wrote: >>How do I remove my address off of the forwards, but remain a member of the group? I want to look at the postings on site rather than receive all the emails.<< You don't even have to be a member of KRnet to read the emails at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . To UNsubscribe, send an empty message to krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org . Didn't you get a long message when you subscribed telling you how to unsusbscribe? You might notice that most email messages that come across KRnet (except those who have send their messages in HTML) come with instructions on how to unsubscribe tagged onto the bottom, so folks will find it easy to unsubscribe....hopefully.... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 21:48:59 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Steven Eberhart Subject: A little truth here Message-ID: <3DF5642B.7050303@newtech.com> THe newsletter controversy has erupted into one of the better flame wars in recent history. Sorry guys, I think I still hold the record for scorched BVD's though :-) When I saw someone's credentials challenged I thought that was a little much for a flame war. If someone's mother is ugly or not is a very subjective thing but if someone has a degree from an accredited university is just too easy to check. In keeping with good KRNet flame war tradition I contributed $12.50 to find out the answer. Ohio State University utilizes Degree Check to handle all inquiries about degree verification. THe following is the reply I received from my query about Mr. Don Blankenship's credentials. Looks to me like we have a very well qualified aeronautical engineer in the group. Steve Eberhart now lets talk airfoils :-) -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Degreechk.com -Confirm 2MJ37057 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:33:17 -0600 From: To: newtech@newtech.com Degree Verification Results Your Ref: Date: 12-09-2002 Time: 21:33:16 Your Degree Verification was assigned Confirmation I.D. 2MJ37057. As per our Service Agreement, your credit card has been charged $12.50 for the processing of this verification request. Section I. 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If you have any questions regarding |these search results or the charges for this verification, please call |us at 1-847-446-1027. | |All services provided by us are subject to the terms and conditions of |the CREDENTIALS INC SERVICE AGREEMENT which is available for viewing |on our web site at www.degreechk.com |_______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 09 Dec 2002 21:54:25 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Dean Collette Subject: Re: KR> Trailing Edge Technologies, LLC Message-Id: <1039492464.2775.3532.camel@debian> On Mon, 2002-12-09 at 02:28, ArmChrAce@aol.com wrote: > My studies also have shown that most of the executives of major corporations > are there because, like those that feed at the public trough, they are too > lazy to work, too nervous to steal and too jealous to pimp. . . To date I've not found a lawyer > capable of telling the truth so their advice is worse than useless. Wow! Looking at your comments, I'm amazed at your abilty to catagorize, pigeon-hole, and pass judgement on tens of thousands of people in one fell swoop. Don't we have a word for that . . . oh yeah, stereotyping. I'm inclined to think that your legal opinion is just about as narrow-minded as your view of the people around you. I know several lawyers, some of them are hard-working, honest people who are really trying to serve the clients they represent, others are as you describe. I also know several corporate execs, and every one of them rose to the ranks that they did by hard work, innovation, and integrity. I suppose all doctors are blood sucking leaches that fly around in V-tail Bonanzas (I think we heard that on KRNet before, and yes, I'm still a little bitter about that one.) Enough of that. The problem with TET is not product liabilty per se, rather the threat of it. I have always had absolute confidence in every part, and every plan that TET sold. I have no doubt that in court we could prove beyond the shadow of doubt that our parts or services were not faulty. But, the cost of that defense would be staggering. TET is a very small company with little or no assets to speak of. In fact, neither Mark or I have ever been paid by the company. That's right, not one dime. Since TET is a Limited Liability Company and has very little in the way of money, any lawyer worth his salt is going to try to pierce the corporation and go after Mark and I as individuals. They wouldn't win, especially since we have never been taken any money out of the company, but are we willing to risk $50k - $100,000 to prove that? I don't think so. After I moved to Illinois, TET needed a new bank account which necessitated a little legal clarification. I found myself in front of the desks of several very experienced (read epensive) advisors. I think it was the question "are you insane?" That got me to thinking. Then he explained in graphic detail what would happen in the event of a lawsuit. Then he laughed a little bit and said, "since you guys started this company TET hasn't made enough to pay the retainer for one good lawyer, let alone two!" I have worked my ass off for the last 14 years to finally be able to start practicing medicine, and Mark has been working even longer to get to his position. Neither of us are wealthy, and neither of us have aspirations of wealth as evident by the premise that TET was built on, but the risk of giving everything away to some lawyer is just too high. I read somewhere (I can't remember where off the top of my head) that between 50 - 75% of the cost of a new factory built airplane does not buy one rivet, pay one worker or engineer, or even fill the tires, rather it pays for the liability. That's a pretty sad note. Being a part of TET has been great. Over the years the best payments have been the emails saying, "Thanks, these things are awesome!" You are the reseason we did it, you are guys that made it all worth while. Thank you, and you're welcome. -- Dean Collette Springfield, Illinois dcollette@insightbb.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:49:01 -0500 To: langford@hiwaay.net From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Trailing Edge Technologies, LLC Message-ID: <20021210.090131.-247999.5.virgnvs@juno.com> A person may sign away their rights to compensation , But, they cannot sign away the rights of the wife or children. Theres the rub, Virg On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 08:49:03 -0600 "Mark Langford" writes: > Ernest C. Aldridge wrote: > > >> I strongly urge anyone with a good product or service to > continue in > business, just restructure your business to avoid lawyers and > mandatory > insurances. << > > I'll be the first to admit that I don't know a thing about our > "justice" > system in the US, other than that it ruins an awful lot of perfectly > good > lives. But it seems to me that even if I had a template buyer sign > a legal > document that said something like "I understand that these templates > are > merely plots of an airfoil that I have determined through my own > research > are suitable for my aircraft, and promise not to hold the guy who > drafted > them reponsible", his widow's lawyer would quickly dig up a > sufficient > number of emails from me on KRnet where I've said that it's the "way > to go" > and where I've touted the advantages of this low drag airfoil, and > so > therefore it was me that convinced him to buy these templates in the > first > place. > > Until it came out in court that the builder had built in "washin" > rather > than "washout" and created an aircraft with a deadly stall > characteristic, > or didn't bother to balance his ailerons and lost one of them, or > whatever, > I'd be paying a lawyer and traveling to some other state for court, > and > taking time off from work, and, well, you get the picture. And if > he knows > that the LLC is mainly comprised of a doctor and an engineer, well > it just > might be worth the treasure hunt! And if it's a jury trial, we all > know > that all bets are off after the sobbing widow tells the tale of how > her dead > husband trusted Mark's judgement, and how Mark was just in it for > the money, > and hadn't cared enough about safety to pay for the $50,000 dynamic > flutter > analysis on an aileron built using this airfoil, and how the > template > drawings didn't specifically mention that the builder should mass > balance > the ailerons... > > We've tried to help out KR builders in several ways, and have plowed > much of > the proceeeds of TET sales right back into KR activities. TET sales > have > paid for my Internet connection and disk space for the past three > years, > for the intial startup fee for this very incarnation of KRnet, a set > of > plaques awarded at one of the KR Gatherings, and even donated a > considerable > chunk of change to help pay the hospital bills of a "friend of > KRnet" pilot > involved in an almost fatal crash. > > But I assure you, for the little that we get out of it, it's not > worth > worrying about the misery that some hungry lawyer could cause us > because he > doesn't understand how airplanes fly, or even the concept of > experimental > aviation... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:12:41 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> On liability Message-ID: <17b.12e5b42d.2b26c3b9@aol.com> In a message dated 12/9/02 8:18:42 AM Mountain Standard Time, jsnyder@grandecom.net writes: << My survival instinct tells me "Don't sell that 'hangar queen' homebuilt project. Donate it to the local EAA chapter or vo-tech school as a class project in composite construction." Comments, anyone? >> A couple of the guys on my Challenger e-mail list have sold their completed and flying Challengers as "airplane parts". They removed the wings and tail pieces before the buyer came and had said buyer sign a notorized paper acknowledging the buyer was purchasing aircraft parts, not an aircraft. So far, I've not heard of any problems. Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:35:01 -0800 To: From: "Leo & Gail Dondlinger" Subject: McCulloch Drone Engine Message-ID: <000001c2a005$828dffe0$0100a8c0@computer1> Anybody know or have experience with a McCulloch drone engine. They were a "disposable 2 cycle engine made for drones. I was wondering how a KR2 would accept one. They are light for the power and came in 2 versions I guess. A 60 something horse power and a 90 something horse power. There was a place in CA. that rebuilt them but the mechanic passed away a year ago. Does anyone have a website or information on the numbers on the castings and how I can tell the two different engines apart from the numbers? A website or link would be great Thanks. Leo Dondlinger Leodon1@attbi.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:38:07 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: McCulloch Drone Engine Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021210063807.008eba60@mail.midwest.net> At 08:35 PM 12/9/02 -0800, you wrote: >Anybody know or have experience with a McCulloch drone engine. >Leo Dondlinger >Leodon1@attbi.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I recall that these engines found considerable use on gyrocopters in past years. You might do a search for a site on gyrocopters and post your question there. Your chance of getting an answer would probably improve greatly. Your discription of these engines, (using DISPOSABLE and 2CYCLE in the same sentence) would certianly give me cause for concern! :-) Larry Flesner flesner@midwest.net Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:29:09 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR Longest Sub ? Message-ID: <20021210.090131.-247999.2.virgnvs@juno.com> I started with issue 1, Virg On Sat, 07 Dec 2002 19:20:39 -0500 David Mullins writes: > Don, > > I don't know what your problem is with Larry. He did save > the newsletter from the clutches of EAA. Never to be seen > again! > > I helped Larry get the first layout finished for the newsletter > he was to publish. Larry and I spent many countless hours > at night on the computer and on the phone discussing the > new logo, pictures, and layout formats. We discussed printing > solutions, postage costs, both domestic and international. I > got Larry a discount on QuarkXpress, PhotoShop, and other > software needed to create a first rate newsletter for the KR > community. As a contributing editor, I promised him a one > to two page article with pictures for the newsletter every > month. We decided to make this the best newsletter the KR > community would see. > > I was the longest subscription holder at the time of Monte's > decision to halt publication. I was owed 20 months of issues > as I had just renewed for two more years. Monte was just > going to take the money and run. Leaving all 200+ subscribers > out to dry. Monte was telling everyone that contacted him > about subscription refunds that Larry would continue their > subscriptions. That was not part of the deal to sell the > newsletter. This would have caused Larry to carry the nut > for continuing publication without any income to offset the > cost of printing and postage. Nothing can survive with a > negative cash flow. > > 100+ of those subscribers were due 6 months or more of > issues. I was instrumental in getting Monte to issue refunds > to those people. Out of those 200+ subscribers only 76 > decided to keep the newsletter going. Question, Were you > one of those 76 people? or not? > > If you were not, then you were part of the demise of the > KR Newsletter too, and have to accept the consequences > of your actions by putting another nail in the newsletter's > coffin. > > I for one, looked forward to receiving the newsletter each > month. That is why I renewed my subscription for another > two years. > > Larry and I discussed improvements to the CD with reprints > of articles in Sport Aviation and Kitplanes. Everything that > was ever written that we could put our hands on. Instructions > on searching the PDF files. Distribute the Adobe Acrobat > reader on the CD. Include a PDF version of AC43-13b, all the > FAA forms and circulars needed by the experimental aircraft > community. Along with anything else we could get that was > applicable to the KR Builders. > > Larry was not the one sitting on his hands to publish. The > first issue was in the can ready to be printed with the > second one halfway completed. The subscribers were not > there to sustain the publication efforts. No one was, or ever > thought, that this was a get rich proposition. > > Larry spent a lot of time and money acquiring the rights, buying > the software, long distance telephone calls, researching printing > and mailing costs, doing everything he could to make a go at > publication. To no avail, there were not enough subscribers to > continue any publication. The CD sales will recoup some of the > expenses Larry has incurred in this endeavor. And all he gets > for his trouble is your accusations of ineptitude and wrong doing. > > > Happy Holidays > > David Mullins > Nashua, New Hampshire > > > > > > Donald Blankenship wrote: > > > Larry, > > > > You and I know from our close correspondence that the way you > found me was from my past newsletter articles. You also know I > volunteered to be a regular contributor to the newsletter if you had > ever published it. You ignored every suggestion from all sources on > how to re-start subscriptions. You never attempted to publish even > one (1) issue, even for those who already paid you. Your > procrastinating, your excuses, your early recognition that you > weren't going to be able to afford an office and staff in New York > to do the actual work, and your backing out is what prevents there > being a newsletter. We also are not all as ignorant as you assume > about the deal you made to purchase it, so I’d pull the lips back a > little if I were you. But, it appears from your message, you’ll hold > the letter for ransom with any line people might believe. > > > > I kept all of my prior messages to you private to see if you would > really do something positive. Your CD sales are a worthy cause. If > you want people to know the whole truth, just give me permission > here to broadcast every message uncut that was sent between you and > I last summer before you started to show your true colors. > > > > Before you tighten your own noose (remember them CDs), recognize > that I said I didn't blame you. The newsletter is hard work, and it > is the essentially non-profit end. It takes a special person, and no > one blames you for not being that person, but try selling it > elsewhere. However, if you ever meant a single word about "saving" > it, give the publishing end away to someone not expecting to make a > nice living off it. > > > > Don Blankenship > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Larry A. Capps" > > Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:41:01 -0600 > > To: "KR Builders List \(E-mail\)" > > Subject: KR> Please Donate the Newsletter > > > > > Mr. Don Blankenship, et al, > > > > > > You speak so eloquently for others, maybe the actual term used > should be > > > hypocrite. Not only did you NOT support the newsletter, but now > you'd like > > > to gripe and point fingers and ridicule those willing to put the > money up > > > and at least make the effort. People like you are exactly why > the > > > newsletter has died, what can one do without support. > > > > > > Its not about money Don, it's about articles to be written; > without adequate > > > subscribers there is no resources to pull from and no news or > articles to > > > print. > > > > > > I do however giggle slightly at your attitude towards the > newsletter effort, > > > that is to say, you not only want to complain about who produces > the > > > newsletter, you'd also like someone else to pay for your copy of > the > > > newsletter. > > > > > > Here's how we can solve your little problem Don. If my > purchasing of the KR > > > Newsletter bothers you that much, I'd be happy to disclose to > you a sale > > > price, to purchase it. You can buy the newsletter from me and > donate it to > > > whom ever you desire. And Don, you'll be able to make that > decision on your > > > own, not for someone else. > > > > > > What do you think, Don? > > > > > > Larry A. Capps > > > KR Newsletter > > > Naperville, IL > > > mailto:lacapps@attbi.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Donald Blankenship [mailto:dgb@usa.com] > > > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 > > > Subject: Re: KR> Please Donate the Newsletter > > > > > > Now that the newsletter has been put "on hold," reality must > sink in. > > > > > > If the newsletter is eventually to be published again, > > > it needs such a devoted and unselfish person to assume > > > the responsiblities -- someone who really wants to make a try at > it. > > > > > > What do you think, Larry? > > > > > > If you truly saved the newsletter, this idea should appeal to > you. > > > > > > Don Blankenship > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > > > -- > > __________________________________________________________ > > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com > > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > > One click access to the Top Search Engines > > http://www.exactsearchbar.com/mailcom > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > Virgil N. 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