From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 11 Dec 2002 00:24:41 -0000 Issue 572 Date: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 4:25 PM krnet Digest 11 Dec 2002 00:24:41 -0000 Issue 572 Topics (messages 13705 through 13722): Re: McCulloch Drone Engine 13705 by: Donald Reid 13709 by: wstarrs Re: Trailing Edge Technologies, LLC 13706 by: Horn2004.aol.com Re: Facet fuel pump 13707 by: Dan Heath 13708 by: Jim V. Wickert 13710 by: larry flesner 13711 by: larry flesner uv smooth prime. 13712 by: Audrey and Harold Woods Re: Another Idea for a Strobe Light 13713 by: virgnvs.juno.com Re: Landing gear Question? 13714 by: Steve Type IV mag timing 13715 by: David Davis Re: retractable gear question. 13716 by: virgnvs.juno.com 13718 by: RCTRVLR.aol.com 13721 by: Dan Heath Do you have SPELLCHECK, Virg 13717 by: Flymaca711689.aol.com Re: Donate the Newsletter - final bell 13719 by: Ron Eason Re: On liability 13720 by: David McKelvey 13722 by: Dan Heath Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:36:40 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> McCulloch Drone Engine Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20021210092815.00a414b0@pop.erols.com> --=====================_2392941==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:35 PM 12/9/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Anybody know or have experience with a McCulloch drone engine. They were >a "disposable 2 cycle engine made for drones. I was wondering how a KR2 >would accept one. They are light for the power and came in 2 versions I >guess. A 60 something horse power and a 90 something horse power. There >was a place in CA. that rebuilt them but the mechanic passed away a year >ago. I have two zero-time still in the crate and one very low time that had a sudden stoppage. Before you ask, I intend to keep them for another project. They would NOT be appropriate for a stock KR. They weigh about 70 pounds each. To keep the correct balance would mean an engine mount that is close to 3 feet long, maybe more. Their effective TBO is about 200 hours before the needle bearings on the connecting rods fail. They were intended to be used in un-manned target aircraft that would be used as target practice i.e., shot down. I may be wrong about this, but I think (and repeat once again...think) that the difference between a 74 horsepower and a 90+ version is a carburetor and a tuned exhaust. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org --=====================_2392941==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:06:31 -0700 To: From: "wstarrs" Subject: Re: KR> McCulloch Drone Engine Message-ID: <004a01c2a05d$b9b450c0$9200a8c0@bstarrs> I had a McCulloch and was going to use it in my KR but decided against it after research. It is fine for a small chopper but defiantly not reliable for use on a fixed wing. Bill Starrs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leo & Gail Dondlinger" To: Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 9:35 PM Subject: KR> McCulloch Drone Engine > Anybody know or have experience with a McCulloch drone engine. They were > a "disposable 2 cycle engine made for drones. I was wondering how a KR2 > would accept one. They are light for the power and came in 2 versions I > guess. A 60 something horse power and a 90 something horse power. There > was a place in CA. that rebuilt them but the mechanic passed away a year > ago. > Does anyone have a website or information on the numbers on the castings > and how I can tell the two different engines apart from the numbers? A > website or link would be great Thanks. > Leo Dondlinger > Leodon1@attbi.com > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > --------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:45:30 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Horn2004@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Trailing Edge Technologies, LLC Message-ID: <15.42cddef.2b27580a@aol.com> In a message dated 12/9/02 9:50:04 PM, dcollette@insightbb.com writes: <> Thank you, Dean! After spending the past 7 months and untold thousands of dollars simply to defend myself in litigation, I fully understand your position. True TORT reform is long overdue. Steve Horn Dallas, TX ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:54:28 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Facet fuel pump Message-Id: <3DF62A54.000011.01052@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_SE0XIA11VA4000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_SE0XDL51VA4000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_SE0XDL51VA4000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Larry,=0D =0D What kind of Carb are you using? I would like to use a Facet on ours, bu= t we have a Revflow. Do you know if there is any way to rig one to be able= to use a fuel pump?=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC=0D =0D See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D =0D KR Purchasing Info at: http://fly-kr.com =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 05:07:27 AM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: KR> Facet fuel pump=0D =0D =0D There are two types of "Facet" pumps. A high pressure and a low=0D pressure. For float type carb's make sure you use the low pressure=0D type. My KR has no gravity feed but wing tanks only. I'm using=0D two pumps in parallel. Either/both pumps will feed from =0D either/both tanks. I intended to use check valves in series with=0D each pump but upon testing I found the pumps will not allow=0D reverse flow so I eliminated the check valves. The claim for=0D the flow rate is 30 gal per hour. I tested mine and found they=0D would each pump 5 gal of fuel to the carb in 9 minutes. That=0D figures out to be 33 gal per hour. Remember that each valve,=0D fitting, etc., that you add to the system will cut your flow rate.=0D Check the flow rate where it feeds into the carb, not at some=0D other point in the system. YOUR RESULTS MAY VARY- TEST IT!=0D =0D Whatever the system you use you MUST do a flow rate test. I seem=0D to recall the minimum flow is 1.5 times the max power requirement=0D for the engine. You need to get this rate with (worst case)=0D minimum fuel in the tank and max nose up attitude . With my=0D pump only system I intend to install a pressure regulator also as=0D soon as I can find one. The local auto parts store informed me that=0D their supplier just did a NATIONAL recall of all stock because of a=0D defect they found so they have none available right now. Lets=0D hope their replacements are of better quality!=0D =0D Larry Flesner=0D flesner@midwest.net=0D =0D =0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_SE0XDL51VA4000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Larry,
 
What kind of Carb are you using?  I would like to use a Facet o= n ours, but we have a Revflow.  Do you know if there is any way= to rig one to be able to use a fuel pump?
 

DanRH@KR-Builder.org

See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,

Daniel R= =2E Heath - Lexington, SC

See our KR2 at: ht= tp://kr-builder.org  Click on the Pic.

See our EAA Chapte= r 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG

KR Purchasing Info at= : http://fly-kr.= com 

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: Tuesday, Dec= ember 10, 2002 05:07:27 AM
Subject: KR> Fa= cet fuel pump
 

There are two types of "Facet" pumps. A high pressur= e and a low
pressure. For float type carb's make sure you use the low = pressure
type. My KR has no gravity feed but wing tanks only. I'm usin= g
two pumps in parallel. Either/both pumps will feed from
either/b= oth tanks. I intended to use check valves in series with
each pump but= upon testing I found the pumps will not allow
reverse flow so I elimi= nated the check valves. The claim for
the flow rate is 30 gal per hour= =2E I tested mine and found they
would each pump 5 gal of fuel to the = carb in 9 minutes. That
figures out to be 33 gal per hour. Remember th= at each valve,
fitting, etc., that you add to the system will cut your= flow rate.
Check the flow rate where it feeds into the carb, not at s= ome
other point in the system. YOUR RESULTS MAY VARY- TEST IT!

= Whatever the system you use you MUST do a flow rate test. I seem
to re= call the minimum flow is 1.5 times the max power requirement
for the e= ngine. You need to get this rate with (worst case)
minimum fuel in the= tank and max nose up attitude . With my
pump only system I intend to = install a pressure regulator also as
soon as I can find one. The local= auto parts store informed me that
their supplier just did a NATIONAL = recall of all stock because of a
defect they found so they have none a= vailable right now. Lets
hope their replacements are of better quality= !

Larry Flesner
flesner@= midwest.net



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<= A href=3D"http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=3D309&lang=3D9">= 3D""  IncrediMail - Email has= finally evolved - = Click Here --------------Boundary-00=_SE0XDL51VA4000000000-- --------------Boundary-00=_SE0XIA11VA4000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:52:36 -0500 To: "INTERNET:KRnet@mailinglists.org" From: "Jim V. Wickert" Subject: KR> Facet fuel pump Message-ID: <200212100952_MC3-1-1EF4-D742@compuserve.com> Larry, I have used the Facet pumps for over 25 years on racing cars and never ha= d a problem with pressure control. The units we used are adjustable and wh= en set they where good. We checked them time to time but they never showed= any real difference. = The problem I see that we have to deal with using a pressure reg. is tha= t it is another mechanical item that is in line to fail. If the facet pump= can be adjusted to your pressure range requirements it should be fine. = Point to note however we used the pumps for about two seasons thne tossed= them just for extra insurance. Jim W ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:55:13 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: Facet fuel pump Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021210095513.008cac30@mail.midwest.net> Larry, What kind of Carb are you using? I would like to use a Facet on ours, but we have a Revflow. Do you know if there is any way to rig one to be able to use a fuel pump? DanRH@KR-Builder.org ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I'm using the Marvel-Schebler (sp?) as removed from the Cessna 150. If I go over approx 6 pounds of pressure I will need to modify the carb. That's why I'm looking to install a pressure regulator. My fuel system is a "pump pressure" only type and has no gravity flow. If you are looking to combine the two you may have to be a bit more inventive. Perhaps the suggestion of one of the eariler post of a parallel system beyond the gascolator might work for you. My concern on a parallel pump line would be the following. Would the pump really give you fuel pressure or would it just pump fuel in a loop with the main gravity line? I don't know the answer as I've not tested it. If you placed a check valve in the gravity line to eliminate that possibility, you cut your gravity flow. If the pressure requirements of the Revflo are very low a pressure regulator after the pump may do the trick. They make check valves for fuel lines but I don't know what their flow rate would be in a gravity system. I'm guessing they would cut it down considerably. Whatever you come up with, give it a VERY good ground test before the first flight. My system seems to work fine with the testing I've done so far. I have a complete backup electrical system for my pumps in case I need to shut down my primary electrical system in flight. It is isolated from the primary system with diodes. If I shut down my primary system, I turn off whichever pump is being used, and simply flip a switch to bring the backup system on line. Without it I would have only the fuel remaining in the bowl and then my only decision is where to land! Good luck. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:02:48 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: Facet fuel pump Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021210100248.008cb160@mail.midwest.net> >Larry, >I have used the Facet pumps for over 25 years on racing cars and never had >a problem with pressure control. The units we used are adjustable and when >set they where good. We checked them time to time but they never showed >any real difference. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I don't believe my pumps are the adjustable type. My fuel pressure guage does indicate they are probably within spec. If there is a way to adjust the pressure I'd like to hear about it! As I was typing this I seem to recall that Marty Roberts has a gravity system with a pump also. Maybe Jean Vernon could fill us in on how he has that system plumbed. Yo, Jean.......................... Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:16:55 -0500 To: From: "Audrey and Harold Woods" Subject: uv smooth prime. Message-ID: <006801c2a067$8f152b00$03000004@baol.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C2A03D.A6052740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What companies in the Toronto Canada region are agents for uv smooth = prime. Harold Woods. Orillia,ON.Can. audreyandharoldwoods@rogers.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.426 / Virus Database: 239 - Release Date: 12/2/02 ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C2A03D.A6052740-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:46:03 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: virgnvs@juno.com Subject: Re: KR> Another Idea for a Strobe Light Message-ID: <20021210.150424.-438951.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Do you have SPELLCHECK, Virg On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:06:30 EST Flymaca711689@aol.com writes: > the problem with you car is they are almost unrepairable by the back > yard > mechanic how many beers did you drink before and after you opened > the hood! i > see it on Mondays all the time beer jobs leave them alone how come > your > talking shit about are heritage anyway i love fords chevs and plys i > love all > the big three if you love the other side so much go out and make > some auto > techs day and get a new vw bug $340.00 for brake pads and don't > forget the > labor by the way you cannot put the pads on due to the sensors and > the ABS my > mustang has over 650,000 mile one ring job one complete haul my ply > is the > ugliest car made i refuse to send her to the crusher it tows my 23 > ft that's > right GM power wellcraft for the last six summers 66 belvedere has > had one > rebuild total cost $500 bucks. i love foreign cars that's how i make > my > living on automobiles. keep America American as possible bye fords > chevs and > mopars have you chased ford lightning lately!!!!! > > mad mac > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:53:14 -0600 To: From: "Steve" Subject: RE: KR> Landing gear Question? Message-ID: <000001c2a08e$2c710600$291e6344@om.cox.net> Rick You had asked about landing gear options for your KR. I am building the fiberglas bow for my KR. I do have some plans that have been completely engineered although they did come with a liability waiver. They have been time tested and well proven. I will try to write a more complete article for this new online newsletter for all the readers. The plans come on a CD and cost only $10 including shipping. Let me know of you interest. To further elaborate on fiberglass as a suspension system. The Corvette and some minivans use a fiberglass leaf spring. It does not wear out or sag like steel or aluminum over time. Sorry I don't have a lot of time right now or I would say more. Steven Lemke Omaha NE slemke@cox.net -----Original Message----- From: Ricky Farley [mailto:geek92@cox-internet.com] Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 1:39 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: RE: KR> Landing gear Question? I'm in the stage now where I am looking for what kind of gear to put on my bird and although I really like the Grove gear, the Diehl gear is cheaper and probably lighter. I'm interested in making a fiberglass bow (similar to the Grove) if there is already a proven design. Could you post, direct me to a good website, or send to me offline the details for making the Dragonfly bow gear? Thanks, Ricky Farley KR-2S, (boat almost ready to sprout stubs) San Angelo Texas -----Original Message----- From: Steve [mailto:slemke@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 11:44 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: RE: KR> Landing gear Question? Ray I also like the Diehl gear but not at that price. ( I am kind of thrifty). I am taking a page out of the dragonfly plans and making a fiberglass bow for my KR2. The wheels will have a 72" width. And the best part is the glass and epoxy runs about $200. I am designing it for extra ground clearance and the weight should be around #22 with mounting brackets and axles. More work but less money and I get exactly the gear I want. If you want some more information let me know. I can post some more detail if you are interested. Steve Lemke Omaha, NE slemke@cox.net -----Original Message----- From: RCTRVLR@aol.com [mailto:RCTRVLR@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 9:40 AM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Landing gear Question? I am in the process of removing the retractable gear system from my KR2, now i have to decide if i want to install the Diehl trigear or not, I thought the gear was a little pricey for what you get, but the simplicity of just bolt on and fly (so to speak) does appeal to me greatly, so i probably will end up going with the Deihl gear, unless anybody has any info or ideas on an optional system. Oh ya, if anybody wants the retract system, minus tires and wheels, let me know and as soon as I get it out of the plane I will sent it to you, you just have to pay for shipping. Thanks Ray --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:34:37 -0600 To: From: "David Davis" Subject: Type IV mag timing Message-ID: <000a01c2a093$f174de40$66c6a041@davis> ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2A061.A62AF460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Should the timing for a Slick 4016 mag be set to 25 degress or 28 = degress BTDC for a 2600cc Type IV VW? Thanks in advance Dave ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2A061.A62AF460-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:03:49 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: virgnvs@juno.com Subject: Re: KR> retractable gear question. Message-ID: <20021210.175311.-382675.3.virgnvs@juno.com> Would like drawings, Virg virgnvs@juno.com On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:25:04 -0800 "Seifert, Richard E" writes: > Pedro > I have just reached 500 hours flying my retractable KR2 and > have > over 1500 landings on the gear. I have never had a gear collapse > but have > found the weak points of the stock system. The locking system > needs > stronger springs and a way to transfer the loads to the Spar bracket > without > bending the bolt. I built triangular shaped latches for mine. the > aluminum > brackets and wedge blocks should be replaced with welded up 3/16 > thick steel > brackets as the aluminum castings tend to crack just above the lower > boss. > The outboard U shaped aluminum spring bar brackets tend to crack > unless you > install a bushing between the open legs of the bracket. The bolt > should go > through one leg, then through the bushing then through the other > leg. This > arrangement eliminates the bolt bending which causes the cracking of > the > bracket. The spring bar thickness should be increased to one inch > unless > your KR is VERY LIGHT. In short the retractable gear can be safe but > will > require a little re-engineering. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pedro Pinzón [mailto:pepinzon@cantv.net] > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 4:28 PM > To: KRnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: KR> retractable gear question. > > > Hi guys. > I´m in the boat stage righ now, and thinking about what landing gear > to use. > Really, I like how the KR2 with retractable gear looks, but to many > people > decides for other type of gears. Why?. Are there heavy reasons to > do that? > Apart of more weigh and complexity are there some technical things > what > about I dont have read yet? Also, Is there any KR2S using > retractable > gears?. Plans don´t say anything about. > Thanks for help > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > o UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:17:30 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: RCTRVLR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> retractable gear question. Message-ID: <1c9.2dbad03.2b27d00a@aol.com> --part1_1c9.2dbad03.2b27d00a_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1c9.2dbad03_alt_bound" --1c9.2dbad03_alt_bound Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If your starting out new, go with tricycle gear, Its easier and safer to land, I think the plane looks much nicer with tri gear. Much easier to install and less maintenance. And selling your KR will be easier. There are 2 choices I know of for fixed main gear, and that is Deihl and Grove. If your going to go with the taildragger convention fixed gear. you might want to use Grove. But for simplicity of ordering everything from one source, I am going with tricycle gear from Deihl. I can get everything even the wheel pants all in one shot. The Grove gear are supposed to be easier to install, but at a higher price. Whatever you do, you do what you want to do, don`t get something you don`t want because someone say`s if your a "real pilot" you would build a taildragger with retracts. You get what you feel most comfortable with. Good Luck Ray --1c9.2dbad03_alt_bound Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit    If your starting out new, go with tricycle gear, Its easier and safer to land, I think the plane looks much nicer with tri gear. Much easier to install and less maintenance. And selling your KR will be easier. There are 2 choices I know of for  fixed main gear, and that is Deihl and Grove. If your going to go with the taildragger convention fixed gear. you might want to use Grove. But for simplicity of ordering everything from one source, I am going with tricycle gear from Deihl. I can get everything even the wheel pants all in one shot. The Grove gear are supposed to be easier to install, but at a higher price.
    Whatever you do, you do what you want to do, don`t get something you don`t want because someone say`s if your a "real pilot" you would build a taildragger with retracts. You get what you feel most comfortable with. Good Luck

             Ray --1c9.2dbad03_alt_bound-- --part1_1c9.2dbad03.2b27d00a_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:24:16 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> retractable gear question. Message-Id: <3DF6AFE0.000001.01136@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_GSQXQL80000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_HSQXLVC0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_HSQXLVC0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: I think the plane looks much nicer with tri gear. Much easier to install and less maintenance.=0D =0D I must respond to this. I have no question about your other comments, ma= ybe so, maybe not. However, "looks nicer", well beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, and this beholder strongly disagrees with that. =0D =0D Much easier to install and less maintenance????? I don't see how can mor= e parts, more moving parts, can be easier to install and require less maintenance? This one really needs investigation. I had a conventional Grove "type" gear for six years and it never required any maintenance.=0D =0D As far as choice of gear, I have installed both the Diehl and the Grove=20 type" gear and their is no question on which is easier to install. Howev= er, the Grove type does cost more and is heavier, and depending on the behold= er, may not look as nice as the Diehl.=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC=0D =0D See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D =0D KR Purchasing Info at: http://fly-kr.com =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 03:19:23 PM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: Re: KR> retractable gear question.=0D =0D If your starting out new, go with tricycle gear, Its easier and safer = to land, I think the plane looks much nicer with tri gear. Much easier to install and less maintenance. And selling your KR will be easier. There a= re 2 choices I know of for fixed main gear, and that is Deihl and Grove. If your going to go with the taildragger convention fixed gear. you might wa= nt to use Grove. But for simplicity of ordering everything from one source, = I am going with tricycle gear from Deihl. I can get everything even the whe= el pants all in one shot. The Grove gear are supposed to be easier to instal= l, but at a higher price.=0D Whatever you do, you do what you want to do, don`t get something you don`t want because someone say`s if your a "real pilot" you would build a taildragger with retracts. You get what you feel most comfortable with. G= ood Luck=0D =0D Ray=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_HSQXLVC0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
RE:  I think the pl= ane looks much nicer with tri gear. Much easier to install and less maint= enance.
 
I must respond to this.&= nbsp; I have no question about your other comments, maybe so, maybe = not.  However, "looks nicer", well beauty is in the eyes of t= he beholder, and this beholder strongly disagrees with that. 
 
Much easier to install a= nd less maintenance?????  I don't see how can more parts, more movin= g parts, can be easier to install and require less maintenance?  Thi= s one really needs investigation.  I had a conventional Grove "type"= gear for six years and it never required any maintenance.
 
As far as choice of gear= , I have installed both the Diehl and the Grove "type" gear and their is = no question on which is easier to install.  However, the Grove type = does cost more and is heavier, and depending on the beholder, may not loo= k as nice as the Diehl.
 

DanRH@KR-Builder.org

See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,

Daniel R= =2E Heath - Lexington, SC

See our KR2 at: ht= tp://kr-builder.org  Click on the Pic.

See our EAA Chapte= r 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG

KR Purchasing Info at= : http://fly-kr.= com 

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: Tuesday, Dec= ember 10, 2002 03:19:23 PM
Subject: Re: KR>= ; retractable gear question.
 
   If your starting out new, go with= tricycle gear, Its easier and safer to land, I think the plane looks muc= h nicer with tri gear. Much easier to install and less maintenance. And s= elling your KR will be easier. There are 2 choices I know of for  fi= xed main gear, and that is Deihl and Grove. If your going to go with the = taildragger convention fixed gear. you might want to use Grove. But for s= implicity of ordering everything from one source, I am going with tricycl= e gear from Deihl. I can get everything even the wheel pants all in one s= hot. The Grove gear are supposed to be easier to install, but at a higher= price.
    Whatever you do, you do what you want to do= , don`t get something you don`t want because someone say`s if your a "rea= l pilot" you would build a taildragger with retracts. You get what you fe= el most comfortable with. Good Luck

     =         Ray
 
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<= A href=3D"http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=3D309&lang=3D9">= 3D""  IncrediMail - Email has= finally evolved - = Click Here --------------Boundary-00=_HSQXLVC0000000000000-- --------------Boundary-00=_GSQXQL80000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:13:23 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Flymaca711689@aol.com Subject: Do you have SPELLCHECK, Virg Message-ID: <23.28c27a9a.2b27cf13@aol.com> --part1_23.28c27a9a.2b27cf13_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yes but it all looks OK to me. did you get it leave it alone your (ford) if you do not have a clue how to fix it or ask for help is this not what this group is about any way virg IM going to just let it go IM dyslexic and you are putting me down for what? hope you got off i am that red neck pilot that loves to fly try to be nice to others its christmas . how much time do you have in a kr ? Mac --part1_23.28c27a9a.2b27cf13_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:35:35 -0600 To: From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Donate the Newsletter - final bell Message-ID: <003001c2a0a4$d66a3300$806c1e41@Administration> This kind of attitude doesn't reflect well on you. One professional to another. Let it be it's history. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Blankenship" To: Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 2:24 PM Subject: Re: KR> Donate the Newsletter - final bell > > Mark, > > The only reason many netters are getting their money back from Larry Capps now is that I wrote him to ask if I should have the Illinois Attorney General look into his solicitations and requests for cash donations if he didn't give the money back to the them after not publishing the newsletter. That option is still available if everyone does not get their money back or if he backslides. > > As far as Larry's confused facts, my Private Pilot Certificate was issued 06-23-95, and though this is the first time I have made any mention of it since my newsletter articles in the early '90s, I am also an aeronautical engineer as you are, Mark. Though it is embarrassing to have to show in this way that Larry will say virtually anything, I have a Master of Aeronautical Science degree from Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, 1999, and a Bachelor of Science in Aeronautical and Astronautical Engineering from The Ohio State University, 1984 (Go Bucks!). > > My enjoyment and hobby for many years was to analyze the KR-2 airframe and the aircraft's stability and control. Contributors to the newsletter in the '90s provided inputs to my assessments. I stopped taking the newsletter in the mid '90s. > > Last summer Larry solicited me for money and articles, and I started reading messages on the KRnet. Larry was the only person on the net that who was virulently asking for money for things he was not delivering. Now that he has hopefully returned the money as requested, I am satisfied. > > Don Blankenship > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Langford" > Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:46:42 -0600 > To: > Subject: Re: KR> Donate the Newsletter - final bell > > > > "gleone" wrote: > > > > > For the moderator, it would be nice to find a way to filter this out. If > > it can be > > > done, I think most of the KR-netters would be most appreciative. > > > > It can be done, but it means changing the list to "moderated", which means > > that Randy or I will have to "OK" every post that's submitted before it's > > sent to the rest of the list. That ain't gonna happen! What CAN be done is > > throw somebody off the list and not the moderate subscriptions so they can't > > resubscribe, but if that happens to anybody, it won't be Larry. You can't > > blame him for defending himself with the facts... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > -- > __________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > One click access to the Top Search Engines > http://www.exactsearchbar.com/mailcom > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:16:25 -0600 To: From: "David McKelvey" Subject: RE: KR> On liability Message-ID: Believe it or not there's a technicallity with that too. If one of those "parts" say the left wing should fail, liability can go to the manufacturer of the part (Joe Homebuilder). Let's face it, general aviation is in the shape it's in today because of ridiculous liabilities. Don't believe me, go buy a new C152 (you can't). Buying a project is a good way to get a jump start, but selling one is risky! We need tort reform. Dave, Grapevine TX -----Original Message----- From: JEHayward@aol.com [mailto:JEHayward@aol.com] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 10:13 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> On liability In a message dated 12/9/02 8:18:42 AM Mountain Standard Time, jsnyder@grandecom.net writes: << My survival instinct tells me "Don't sell that 'hangar queen' homebuilt project. Donate it to the local EAA chapter or vo-tech school as a class project in composite construction." Comments, anyone? >> A couple of the guys on my Challenger e-mail list have sold their completed and flying Challengers as "airplane parts". They removed the wings and tail pieces before the buyer came and had said buyer sign a notorized paper acknowledging the buyer was purchasing aircraft parts, not an aircraft. So far, I've not heard of any problems. Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:28:50 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: RE: KR> On liability Message-Id: <3DF6B0F2.000004.01136@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_20RXBHK0000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_30RX6RO0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_30RX6RO0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am convinced that TORT reform will never happen unless it is possible t= o convince the Lawyers in power and the congressmen that they own, that it = is their best interest to do so. How do you do that? They will never chang= e it because it is the right thing to do.=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC=0D =0D See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D =0D KR Purchasing Info at: http://fly-kr.com =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 04:17:13 PM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: RE: KR> On liability=0D =0D Believe it or not there's a technicallity with that too. If one of those=0D "parts" say the left wing should fail, liability can go to the manufactur= er=0D of the part (Joe Homebuilder).=0D Let's face it, general aviation is in the shape it's in today because of=0D ridiculous liabilities. Don't believe me, go buy a new C152 (you can't).=0D Buying a project is a good way to get a jump start, but selling one is=0D risky! We need tort reform.=0D =0D Dave, Grapevine TX=0D =0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: JEHayward@aol.com [mailto:JEHayward@aol.com]=0D Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 10:13 PM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: Re: KR> On liability=0D =0D =0D In a message dated 12/9/02 8:18:42 AM Mountain Standard Time,=0D jsnyder@grandecom.net writes:=0D =0D << My survival instinct tells me "Don't sell that 'hangar queen' homebuil= t=0D project. Donate it to the local EAA chapter or vo-tech school as a class=0D project in composite construction."=0D =0D Comments, anyone? >>=0D =0D A couple of the guys on my Challenger e-mail list have=0D sold their completed and flying Challengers as "airplane=0D parts". They removed the wings and tail pieces before=0D the buyer came and had said buyer sign a notorized=0D paper acknowledging the buyer was purchasing aircraft=0D parts, not an aircraft. So far, I've not heard of any problems.=0D =0D Jim Hayward=0D Rapid City, SD=0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org=0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_30RX6RO0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am convinced that TORT reform will never happen unless it is possi= ble to convince the Lawyers in power and the congressmen that they own, t= hat it is their best interest to do so.  How do you do that?&nb= sp; They will never change it because it is the right thing to do. 

DanRH@KR-Builder.org

See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,

Daniel R= =2E Heath - Lexington, SC

See our KR2 at: ht= tp://kr-builder.org  Click on the Pic.

See our EAA Chapte= r 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG

KR Purchasing Info at= : http://fly-kr.= com 

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: Tuesday, Dec= ember 10, 2002 04:17:13 PM
Subject: RE: KR>= ; On liability
 
Believe it or not there's a technicallity with that too.= If one of those
"parts" say the left wing should fail, liability can = go to the manufacturer
of the part (Joe Homebuilder).
Let's face it= , general aviation is in the shape it's in today because of
ridiculous= liabilities. Don't believe me, go buy a new C152 (you can't).
Buying = a project is a good way to get a jump start, but selling one is
risky!= We need tort reform.

Dave, Grapevine TX

-----Original Mess= age-----
From: JEHayward@aol.com<= /A> [mailto:JEHayward@aol.com]Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 10:13 PM
To: KRnet@mailinglists.org
Subject: Re: KR> On l= iability


In a message dated 12/9/02 8:18:42 AM Mountain Standa= rd Time,
jsnyder@grandecom.ne= t writes:

<< My survival instinct tells me "Don't sell t= hat 'hangar queen' homebuilt
project. Donate it to the local EAA chapt= er or vo-tech school as a class
project in composite construction."
Comments, anyone? >>

A couple of the guys on my Challen= ger e-mail list have
sold their completed and flying Challengers as "a= irplane
parts". They removed the wings and tail pieces before
the b= uyer came and had said buyer sign a notorized
paper acknowledging the = buyer was purchasing aircraft
parts, not an aircraft. So far, I've not= heard of any problems.

Jim Hayward
Rapid City, SD

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