From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 11 Dec 2002 06:31:15 -0000 Issue 573 Date: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 10:32 PM krnet Digest 11 Dec 2002 06:31:15 -0000 Issue 573 Topics (messages 13723 through 13744): On liability 13723 by: Larry A. Capps 13724 by: David McKelvey 13730 by: Dan Heath 13732 by: Dean Collette 13734 by: Ron Thomas 13741 by: JEHayward.aol.com Re: Landing gear Question? 13725 by: David McKelvey 13729 by: ROBERT COOPER 13736 by: Ricky Farley Re: Facet fuel pump 13726 by: Rick Wilson 13728 by: Rick Wilson Custom Set of Rudder Pedals - complete Kit(s) 13727 by: Larry A. Capps 13731 by: Ron Eason Re: McCulloch Drone Engine 13733 by: Leo & Gail Dondlinger Thanks 13735 by: John & Elaine Roffey 13737 by: Bill Higdon when to apply smooth premier... 13738 by: Cowgirlflying.wmconnect.com lawyers 13739 by: Tim Brown 13740 by: ECLarsen81.aol.com Re: Donate the Newsletter - final bell 13742 by: Donald Blankenship Re: retractable gear question. 13743 by: RCTRVLR.aol.com 13744 by: Serge Vidal Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:43:34 -0600 To: From: "Larry A. Capps" Subject: On liability Message-ID: <001101c2a0ae$56a25cb0$0200a8c0@schpankme> KRNet This is a very good topic, in that Liability threatens the existence of our hobby, and the ability to own and fly our planes. Plus, one-day anyone of us might have parts of our plane up for sale. I think the question is: Could one construct a bill of sale (BOS) / Contract, which would in-effect give the buyer every right to sue, and also provide to the seller, the right to re-coup any and all litigation expenses and court costs associated. Could one also construct the BOS to say, if the buyer brings legal action against items purchased (which he had inspected and agreed to purchase), buyer agrees to pay the seller one million (your amount may vary) to participate in such legal actions as provided for and set forth by the contract. I'm always open to ideas, maybe some of the legal experts could lend additions. Larry A. Capps KR Newsletter Naperville, IL -----Original Message----- From: David McKelvey Subject: RE: KR> On liability Believe it or not there's a technicallity with that too. If one of those "parts" say the left wing should fail, liability can go to the manufacturer of the part (Joe Homebuilder). Let's face it, general aviation is in the shape it's in today because of ridiculous liabilities. Don't believe me, go buy a new C152 (you can't). Buying a project is a good way to get a jump start, but selling one is risky! We need tort reform. Dave, Grapevine TX ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:53:12 -0600 To: , From: "David McKelvey" Subject: RE: KR> On liability Message-ID: Something I have seen is a disclaimer "Not for Aircraft use" I don't know how that would hold up. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Larry A. Capps [mailto:lacapps@attbi.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 6:44 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> On liability KRNet This is a very good topic, in that Liability threatens the existence of our hobby, and the ability to own and fly our planes. Plus, one-day anyone of us might have parts of our plane up for sale. I think the question is: Could one construct a bill of sale (BOS) / Contract, which would in-effect give the buyer every right to sue, and also provide to the seller, the right to re-coup any and all litigation expenses and court costs associated. Could one also construct the BOS to say, if the buyer brings legal action against items purchased (which he had inspected and agreed to purchase), buyer agrees to pay the seller one million (your amount may vary) to participate in such legal actions as provided for and set forth by the contract. I'm always open to ideas, maybe some of the legal experts could lend additions. Larry A. Capps KR Newsletter Naperville, IL -----Original Message----- From: David McKelvey Subject: RE: KR> On liability Believe it or not there's a technicallity with that too. If one of those "parts" say the left wing should fail, liability can go to the manufacturer of the part (Joe Homebuilder). Let's face it, general aviation is in the shape it's in today because of ridiculous liabilities. Don't believe me, go buy a new C152 (you can't). Buying a project is a good way to get a jump start, but selling one is risky! We need tort reform. Dave, Grapevine TX --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:40:20 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> On liability Message-Id: <3DF6CFC4.000001.01004@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_83XXQL80000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_93XXLVC0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_93XXLVC0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I love it, wouldn't that be a stinger?=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC=0D =0D See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D =0D KR Purchasing Info at: http://fly-kr.com =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 04:42:44 PM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: KR> On liability=0D =0D KRNet=0D =0D This is a very good topic, in that Liability threatens the existence of o= ur=0D hobby, and the ability to own and fly our planes. Plus, one-day anyone of= =0D us might have parts of our plane up for sale.=0D =0D I think the question is:=0D =0D Could one construct a bill of sale (BOS) / Contract, which would in-effec= t=0D give the buyer every right to sue, and also provide to the seller, the ri= ght=0D to re-coup any and all litigation expenses and court costs associated.=0D =0D Could one also construct the BOS to say, if the buyer brings legal action= =0D against items purchased (which he had inspected and agreed to purchase),=0D buyer agrees to pay the seller one million (your amount may vary) to=0D participate in such legal actions as provided for and set forth by the=0D contract.=0D =0D I'm always open to ideas, maybe some of the legal experts could lend=0D additions.=0D =0D Larry A. Capps=0D KR Newsletter=0D Naperville, IL=0D =0D =0D =0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: David McKelvey=0D Subject: RE: KR> On liability=0D =0D =0D Believe it or not there's a technicallity with that too. If one of those=0D "parts" say the left wing should fail, liability can go to the manufactur= er=0D of the part (Joe Homebuilder).=0D Let's face it, general aviation is in the shape it's in today because of=0D ridiculous liabilities. Don't believe me, go buy a new C152 (you can't).=0D Buying a project is a good way to get a jump start, but selling one is=0D risky! We need tort reform.=0D =0D Dave, Grapevine TX=0D =0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_93XXLVC0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I love it, wouldn't that be a stinger?
 

DanRH@KR-Builder.org

See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,

Daniel R= =2E Heath - Lexington, SC

See our KR2 at: ht= tp://kr-builder.org  Click on the Pic.

See our EAA Chapte= r 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG

KR Purchasing Info at= : http://fly-kr.= com 

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: Tuesday, Dec= ember 10, 2002 04:42:44 PM
Subject: KR> On= liability
 
KRNet

This is a very good topic, in that Liabilit= y threatens the existence of our
hobby, and the ability to own and fly= our planes. Plus, one-day anyone of
us might have parts of our plane = up for sale.

I think the question is:

Could one construct a= bill of sale (BOS) / Contract, which would in-effect
give the buyer e= very right to sue, and also provide to the seller, the right
to re-cou= p any and all litigation expenses and court costs associated.

Coul= d one also construct the BOS to say, if the buyer brings legal action
= against items purchased (which he had inspected and agreed to purchase),<= BR>buyer agrees to pay the seller one million (your amount may vary) toparticipate in such legal actions as provided for and set forth by the<= BR>contract.

I'm always open to ideas, maybe some of the legal exp= erts could lend
additions.

Larry A. Capps
KR Newsletter
N= aperville, IL



-----Original Message-----
From: David Mc= Kelvey
Subject: RE: KR> On liability


Believe it or not t= here's a technicallity with that too. If one of those
"parts" say the = left wing should fail, liability can go to the manufacturer
of the par= t (Joe Homebuilder).
Let's face it, general aviation is in the shape i= t's in today because of
ridiculous liabilities. Don't believe me, go b= uy a new C152 (you can't).
Buying a project is a good way to get a jum= p start, but selling one is
risky! We need tort reform.

Dave, G= rapevine TX


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Writing something into a bill of sale assinging legal fees in the event of a law suit will do little or nothing for you, in fact, it could hurt you, since most states will determine that the fee assignment is illegal, it could possibly make the entire contract illegal Let's say that you wanted to sell a homebuilt and took off the wings and gear and sold it to me as parts. I could argue that the FAA requires me to build at least 51% of the plane to be considered the "factory." If you had sold me a pickup truck with the wheels in the back - it's still a pickup. If during the sale you had mentioned anything about the weight and balance, stall speed, landing distance, how many hours you flew, etc., I could argue that you were selling a complete system with certain characteristics attributable to an airplane, therefore, it's an airplane. (if it walks like a duck . . . ) An obvious attempt to avoid the law or find a loophole will be pointed out and you will loose. The things that has always stuck in my craw is that most liability lawyers get 33% of the recovery. Dosen't that seem an little odd? Why should the lawyer have a vested interest in the recovery amount, shouldn't he want what's fair for his client? That's like cashing a paycheck at the bank and then having the teller take 1/3 for going through all the trouble of counting it out for you.(Sorry all you Bank One customers!) As an aside, I read just today that a couple of ex-jurors in Mississippi are suing 60 Minutes for slander to the tune of 6 billion dollars. Good Gravey! I don't think they have a prayer of winning, but 60 Minutes may settle out of court linning their pockets with an "undisclosed sum." Or spend countless millions defending themselves. Yep, I'd say that the legal system needs a little work. Dean Collette Springfield, Illinois dcollette@insightbb.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:58:50 -0500 To: From: "Ron Thomas" Subject: Re: KR> On liability Message-ID: <006801c2a0c1$3fc98960$c843a8c0@faaguy> Did they(Congress) pass a law stateing something like 15 year limit on product libility. Correct me if I'm wrong, I believe that was the point Cesnna started building single engine planes again. Not much help in the case of homebuilts. Put everything in your wife's name before the sale.(Did I say that). Not funny huh!!!!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Collette" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 9:45 PM Subject: RE: KR> On liability > > You can write just about anything into a contract, but the legality of > the contract itself and enforcing the contract are separate issues. If > you write a contract or bill of sale stating that a part is "not > intended for use in aircraft" you might have a better shot of winning > the suit, but you still have to pay the price to defend it. If the > planiff can prove that you did intend for it to be used on an airplane > (previous sales, where you advertized, how you describe it, etc.,)you're > hosed. Writing something into a bill of sale assinging legal fees in > the event of a law suit will do little or nothing for you, in fact, it > could hurt you, since most states will determine that the fee assignment > is illegal, it could possibly make the entire contract illegal > > Let's say that you wanted to sell a homebuilt and took off the wings and > gear and sold it to me as parts. I could argue that the FAA requires me > to build at least 51% of the plane to be considered the "factory." If > you had sold me a pickup truck with the wheels in the back - it's still > a pickup. If during the sale you had mentioned anything about the weight > and balance, stall speed, landing distance, how many hours you flew, > etc., I could argue that you were selling a complete system with certain > characteristics attributable to an airplane, therefore, it's an > airplane. (if it walks like a duck . . . ) An obvious attempt to avoid > the law or find a loophole will be pointed out and you will loose. > > The things that has always stuck in my craw is that most liability > lawyers get 33% of the recovery. Dosen't that seem an little odd? Why > should the lawyer have a vested interest in the recovery amount, > shouldn't he want what's fair for his client? That's like cashing a > paycheck at the bank and then having the teller take 1/3 for going > through all the trouble of counting it out for you.(Sorry all you Bank > One customers!) > > As an aside, I read just today that a couple of ex-jurors in Mississippi > are suing 60 Minutes for slander to the tune of 6 billion dollars. Good > Gravey! I don't think they have a prayer of winning, but 60 Minutes may > settle out of court linning their pockets with an "undisclosed sum." Or > spend countless millions defending themselves. > > Yep, I'd say that the legal system needs a little work. > > Dean Collette > Springfield, Illinois > dcollette@insightbb.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:42:24 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> On liability Message-ID: <110.1ce69c5c.2b282a40@aol.com> In a message dated 12/10/02 8:10:09 PM Mountain Standard Time, rdthomas@mindspring.com writes: << Put everything in your wife's name before the sale.(Did I say that). >> Well, we *do* have everything in a Family Trust except the plane. Hopefully that will help but I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't. Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:58:51 -0600 To: From: "David McKelvey" Subject: RE: KR> Landing gear Question? Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2A07E.2D9ECAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had a very good experience installing the Diehl conv. gear. I don't recall having to rerout the cable, but clearance was a concern during the install process. I wish everything on my airplane went that well! Dave, Grapevine TX -----Original Message----- From: RCTRVLR@aol.com [mailto:RCTRVLR@aol.com] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 12:25 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear Question? With my recent discovery from a KR2 owner on How to mount the Diehl gear and not having to reroute the aileron wires, (thank you for the pic), I have decided to go with the Deihl and not the Grove gear. If anyone has any more input on the Grove gear over the Diehl gear to justify the cost difference, please jump in and voice your opinion. Thanks Ray ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2A07E.2D9ECAE0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:13:07 -0500 To: "krnet" From: "ROBERT COOPER" Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear Question? Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C2A088.8D914720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With Conv. gear the brackets are on the fwd side of the spar and are not = in the way of the cables Jack Cooper ----- Original Message ----- From: David McKelvey Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 7:53 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: RE: KR> Landing gear Question? I had a very good experience installing the Diehl conv. gear. I don't recall having to rerout the cable, but clearance was a concern during the install process. I wish everything on my airplane went that well! Dave, Grapevine TX -----Original Message----- From: RCTRVLR@aol.com [mailto:RCTRVLR@aol.com] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 12:25 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear Question? With my recent discovery from a KR2 owner on How to mount the Diehl gear and not having to reroute the aileron wires, (thank you for the pic)= , I have decided to go with the Deihl and not the Grove gear. If anyone has any more input on the Grove gear over the Diehl gear = to justify the cost difference, please jump in and voice your opinion. Thank= s Ray ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C2A088.8D914720-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:08:45 -0600 To: From: "Ricky Farley" Subject: RE: KR> Landing gear Question? Message-ID: <007901c2a0c2$a1fa7300$6b01a8c0@ENTERPRISE> I would be very interested in getting the CD. I don't mind spending a few dollars if it means I'm getting something that has been tested before I spend lots of money making it only to find it won't work. Look forward to seeing the article. Do you have any websites that document the construction process (I understand the dragonfly uses this type of gear). Ricky Farley, KR-2S N92RF (reserved) San Angelo TX ricky@r-farley.com -----Original Message----- From: Steve [mailto:slemke@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 14:53 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: RE: KR> Landing gear Question? Rick You had asked about landing gear options for your KR. I am building the fiberglas bow for my KR. I do have some plans that have been completely engineered although they did come with a liability waiver. They have been time tested and well proven. I will try to write a more complete article for this new online newsletter for all the readers. The plans come on a CD and cost only $10 including shipping. Let me know of you interest. To further elaborate on fiberglass as a suspension system. The Corvette and some minivans use a fiberglass leaf spring. It does not wear out or sag like steel or aluminum over time. Sorry I don't have a lot of time right now or I would say more. Steven Lemke Omaha NE slemke@cox.net -----Original Message----- From: Ricky Farley [mailto:geek92@cox-internet.com] Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 1:39 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: RE: KR> Landing gear Question? I'm in the stage now where I am looking for what kind of gear to put on my bird and although I really like the Grove gear, the Diehl gear is cheaper and probably lighter. I'm interested in making a fiberglass bow (similar to the Grove) if there is already a proven design. Could you post, direct me to a good website, or send to me offline the details for making the Dragonfly bow gear? Thanks, Ricky Farley KR-2S, (boat almost ready to sprout stubs) San Angelo Texas -----Original Message----- From: Steve [mailto:slemke@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 11:44 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: RE: KR> Landing gear Question? Ray I also like the Diehl gear but not at that price. ( I am kind of thrifty). I am taking a page out of the dragonfly plans and making a fiberglass bow for my KR2. The wheels will have a 72" width. And the best part is the glass and epoxy runs about $200. I am designing it for extra ground clearance and the weight should be around #22 with mounting brackets and axles. More work but less money and I get exactly the gear I want. If you want some more information let me know. I can post some more detail if you are interested. Steve Lemke Omaha, NE slemke@cox.net -----Original Message----- From: RCTRVLR@aol.com [mailto:RCTRVLR@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 9:40 AM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Landing gear Question? I am in the process of removing the retractable gear system from my KR2, now i have to decide if i want to install the Diehl trigear or not, I thought the gear was a little pricey for what you get, but the simplicity of just bolt on and fly (so to speak) does appeal to me greatly, so i probably will end up going with the Deihl gear, unless anybody has any info or ideas on an optional system. Oh ya, if anybody wants the retract system, minus tires and wheels, let me know and as soon as I get it out of the plane I will sent it to you, you just have to pay for shipping. Thanks Ray --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:06:25 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Rick Wilson Subject: Re: KR> Facet fuel pump Message-ID: <20021211010625.53223.qmail@web21203.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, You can look in speed shops and racing supply places and they usually carry good quality fuel pressure regulators. Rick Wilson. --- Dan Heath wrote: > Larry, > > What kind of Carb are you using? I would like to > use a Facet on ours, but > we have a Revflow. Do you know if there is any way > to rig one to be able to > use a fuel pump? > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > See ya in Red Oak --- 2003, > > Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC > > See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the > Pic. > > See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG > > KR Purchasing Info at: http://fly-kr.com > -------Original Message------- > > From: KRnet@mailinglists.org > Date: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 05:07:27 AM > To: KRnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: KR> Facet fuel pump > > > There are two types of "Facet" pumps. A high > pressure and a low > pressure. For float type carb's make sure you use > the low pressure > type. My KR has no gravity feed but wing tanks only. > I'm using > two pumps in parallel. Either/both pumps will feed > from > either/both tanks. I intended to use check valves in > series with > each pump but upon testing I found the pumps will > not allow > reverse flow so I eliminated the check valves. The > claim for > the flow rate is 30 gal per hour. I tested mine and > found they > would each pump 5 gal of fuel to the carb in 9 > minutes. That > figures out to be 33 gal per hour. Remember that > each valve, > fitting, etc., that you add to the system will cut > your flow rate. > Check the flow rate where it feeds into the carb, > not at some > other point in the system. YOUR RESULTS MAY VARY- > TEST IT! > > Whatever the system you use you MUST do a flow rate > test. I seem > to recall the minimum flow is 1.5 times the max > power requirement > for the engine. You need to get this rate with > (worst case) > minimum fuel in the tank and max nose up attitude . > With my > pump only system I intend to install a pressure > regulator also as > soon as I can find one. The local auto parts store > informed me that > their supplier just did a NATIONAL recall of all > stock because of a > defect they found so they have none available right > now. Lets > hope their replacements are of better quality! > > Larry Flesner > flesner@midwest.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > . __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:18:05 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Rick Wilson Subject: Re: KR> Facet fuel pump Message-ID: <20021211011805.8741.qmail@web21208.mail.yahoo.com> Larry, There are several different adjustable fuel pressure regulators on the market. They plumb in the line between the pump and carb. Check in speed shops and racing supply places for the good ones. Rickey Wilson. --- larry flesner wrote: > >Larry, > >I have used the Facet pumps for over 25 years on > racing cars and never had > >a problem with pressure control. The units we used > are adjustable and when > >set they where good. We checked them time to time > but they never showed > >any real difference. > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > I don't believe my pumps are the adjustable type. > My fuel pressure > guage does indicate they are probably within spec. > If there is a > way to adjust the pressure I'd like to hear about > it! > > As I was typing this I seem to recall that Marty > Roberts has a gravity > system with a pump also. Maybe Jean Vernon could > fill us in on > how he has that system plumbed. Yo, > Jean.......................... > > Larry Flesner > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:16:51 -0600 To: "KR Builders List \(E-mail\)" From: "Larry A. Capps" Subject: Custom Set of Rudder Pedals - complete Kit(s) Message-ID: <001b01c2a0b2$fca2b660$0200a8c0@schpankme> KRNet, Customize your project with a complete set of concentric tube Rudder Pedals, click on the URL listed to view. http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/pedals/pedal.pdf (This file is in Adobe Acrobat 5.0 viewer (.PDF) The Rudder Pedal Kit contains the following items: o 4 coupled rudder pedals, welded on concentric tubes o 2 brake pedals* o 2 brake cylinder brackets o 3 rudder pedal bearing kits o 2 brake pedal bearing kits o Necessary screws and washers o Assembly Instruction o Packaging** Weight of Pedals as per drawing is: 2.48 lbs (1.125 kg) *Brake cylinders are not included Price is $350.00 dollars for the complete kits, **Plus Shipping. Please feel free to contact me if you have any further questions. Larry A. Capps KR Newsletter Naperville, IL mailto:lacapps@attbi.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:46:21 -0600 To: , From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Custom Set of Rudder Pedals - complete Kit(s) Message-ID: <002401c2a0bf$7d50cc00$806c1e41@Administration> Nice set of peddles. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry A. Capps" To: "KR Builders List (E-mail)" Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 7:16 PM Subject: KR> Custom Set of Rudder Pedals - complete Kit(s) > KRNet, > > Customize your project with a complete set of concentric tube > Rudder Pedals, click on the URL listed to view. > > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/pedals/pedal.pdf > (This file is in Adobe Acrobat 5.0 viewer (.PDF) > > > The Rudder Pedal Kit contains the following items: > > o 4 coupled rudder pedals, welded on concentric tubes > o 2 brake pedals* > o 2 brake cylinder brackets > o 3 rudder pedal bearing kits > o 2 brake pedal bearing kits > o Necessary screws and washers > o Assembly Instruction > o Packaging** > > Weight of Pedals as per drawing is: 2.48 lbs (1.125 kg) > > *Brake cylinders are not included > > > Price is $350.00 dollars for the complete kits, **Plus Shipping. > > > Please feel free to contact me if you have any further questions. > > Larry A. Capps > KR Newsletter > Naperville, IL > > mailto:lacapps@attbi.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:52:00 -0800 To: From: "Leo & Gail Dondlinger" Subject: RE: KR> McCulloch Drone Engine Message-ID: <000101c2a0c0$475d7f70$0100a8c0@computer1> Thank You, everyone for the replies. I am going to let the fifty dollar "deal" for the seized McCulloch drone motor slide. The overwhelming consensus was: "it is not suitable for the KR. Leo Dondlinger Leodon1@attbi.com Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:04:42 -0500 To: "KR Mailing Lists" From: "John & Elaine Roffey" Subject: Thanks Message-ID: <015b01c2a0c2$0e2b1800$15263b41@default> ------=_NextPart_000_0158_01C2A098.24162760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Larry, Mark and Dean for all your efforts toward the newsletter = and KR parts. Most of us understand the pain of your attempts to help the rest of the = breed. Let's get back to building Krs and leave the lawyers alone.=20 No one likes them until you need one, then you love them. Everything I like starts with F. Fast Fords are just one. First On Race = Day!!! Lets see some new KRs in Iowa next Sept. Remember, beauty is in the eye of the BEER holder. John Roffey jeroffey@tir.com ------=_NextPart_000_0158_01C2A098.24162760-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:23:59 -0800 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Bill Higdon Subject: Re: KR> Thanks Message-ID: <3DF6AFCF.9090401@attbi.com> John, Isn't "beauty is in the eye of the BEER holder" part of the song "Nine Coronas"? ;-)) Bill Higdon John & Elaine Roffey wrote: > Thanks Larry, Mark and Dean for all your efforts toward the newsletter and KR parts. > Most of us understand the pain of your attempts to help the rest of the breed. > Let's get back to building Krs and leave the lawyers alone. > No one likes them until you need one, then you love them. > Everything I like starts with F. Fast Fords are just one. First On Race Day!!! > Lets see some new KRs in Iowa next Sept. > Remember, beauty is in the eye of the BEER holder. > > John Roffey > jeroffey@tir.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:21:45 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Cowgirlflying@wmconnect.com Subject: when to apply smooth premier... Message-ID: --part1_f9.268621cc.2b280949_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi , I was wondering when you should apply the smooth premier to the boat. Ours is finished along with having the wing spar stubs done. It does not have the rigging or firewall done yet. I was given advice to do this to protect it from the elements. The plane is in a hanger. Thanks for your advise. Pat --part1_f9.268621cc.2b280949_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:22:25 -0800 (PST) To: Group KR NET From: Tim Brown Subject: lawyers Message-ID: <20021211042225.51516.qmail@web40911.mail.yahoo.com> To the Net: I have stayed out of this (publicly on the net, but I have privately e-mailed those of concern) because...horrors or horrors. I am a lawyer mainly dealing in Products Liability Law in California, lawsuit capitol of the world. On products liability: The plaintiff does not have to prove negligence. If you are hurt by the product, negligence is assumed. BUT there are a host of defenses and I use them all the time. Is there any contract written that will keep you out of Court? Absolutely not. Someone can sue you for anything...even the color of your hair and yes, you have to hire a lawyer to protect your rights. Can a clause be inserted in a contract that makes the loser pay? Yes. In Calif., each side pays their own attorney fees UNLESS recovery is allowed by statute or by contract. Each State has their own laws. Is a lawyer worth a 33% recovery fee? That answer is your own. First, consider the alternative. If there is no recovery by YOU, the lawyer gets zero. Rent, secretarys, paralegals, research books, filing fees, and time, all cost money. Not one of you does not think that your time is not valuable. But a lawyer "risks" giving his time etc in the hopes that he/she is good enough to win...then and only then get paid. Let's say you are an engineer and you work a whole year on a research project hoping to develop a new "whatsit." But, after a year, it just doesn't work out so your employer (the client/boss) says, well then, you don't get paid for the last year's work. That is what happens to a lawyer that doesn't win. Now, as for me.....I represent the people that get sued. For what has been the topic of the past weeks, I would be representing Mark and Dean. My rate is $125.00 per hour plus out-of pocket, exclusive of time I spend with the client (I don't charge for calling or meeting with the client to coordinate a defense. I don't charge for "file review" before a Court appearance. If I don't know the file well enough, I shouldn't be their attorney.) Everyone loves to hate attorneys.....until you need one. Then, you love YOUR attorney and all the others are blood suckers. I know I sure hated my now ex-wife's attorney. Most, not all, attorneys I work with I can't stand. They don't know their case and they are only there for their paycheck. I take a personal interest in my clients and, I am told by others, am a real asshole and get better results then every other attorney. To those in need of an attorney EVER: Ask your friends Ask your family Interview Re-write the attorney contract placed in front of you. If the attorney thinks you have a winning case, he would much prefer 20% or 25% of something rather than 100% of nothing. The terms of any contract with an attorney are negotiable. But most people don't have the balls to negotiate...and then blame the attorney for taking 33% (here in Ca I see 40% and 50% all the time). I work hard. I make more than a minimum six figures. I get paid for what I do and so do you. I went through nearly 8 years of college and the bar exam and have to do many, many hours of continuing education to keep my "ticket." I graduated with a BA and a teaching credential (oh wow, $35,000.00 here in So. Calif). Then I decided I hate kids and went back to college at age 39. I charge what I feel is a fair price for excellent representation. I recently wrote a letter to a client that contained a sentence something like////any settlement offered would be based on economic reasoning and would be accepted by plaintiff based on pure extortion. The client can then decide if he wants to pay a few hundred or thousand to plaintiff, or continue to pay me for what we hope to be a full win! Do I think the system is broken? ABSOLUTELY. Is there a cure? NO! Not as long as the trial lawyers (plaintiff bar) has the democrats in their pockets. (Yes, I voted for Reagan, Bush, Dole and Bush.) Sorry for the diatribe but many have been bashing lawyers with half truths and half facts.politiciansers should be bashed just as some (many) politicains should be bashed. Some day I hope to run for political office (either State or Federal) and maybe I can make a difference. But for now....get involved....know what is going on (not the bullshit bitching) and DO SOMETHING besides bitching. OK....Off the soap box and I will now go crawl under my rock! Tim __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:40:31 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: ECLarsen81@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> lawyers Message-ID: <12a.1d0d2e22.2b281bbf@aol.com> Tim, Don't go crawl under your rock, maybe put in another hour on the plane instead. All are entitled to opinion..good, bad or indifferent, that's what this country is about. Thanks for voicing yours. Off topic, sure..alot of things are. But show me a good hangar session that isn't. So how's the plane coming? Ed Larsen Flame me at mailto:ECLarsen81@aol.com (I may not read it, that's my right as well) Sonerai in the making Luscombe in the air musing the great (and some not so great) ideas expressed by all ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:42:09 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Donald Blankenship" Subject: Re: KR> Donate the Newsletter - final bell Message-ID: <20021211054209.82224.qmail@mail.com> Ron, Oh, my god. Another engineer like me who is a democrat. If you want more in common, check your krnet e-mail messages (http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/message?sn=0&hit=165) and learn to learn to think for one's self. Your poor english is ok, it just makes you an engineer, too. Parlez-vous francais? Larry should be loving this by now, along with your pleas last summer for cash donations to him. Let's go to it. --db ----- Original Message ----- http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/message?sn=0&hit=165 From: "Ron Eason" Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:35:35 -0600 To: Subject: Re: KR> Donate the Newsletter - final bell > This kind of attitude doesn't reflect well on you. One professional to > another. Let it be it's history. > > Ron > Message Detail Message 166 of 188 Date: Aug 10, 2002 7:37 PM From: Ron Eason Subject: Re: KR> DONATION Larry, I feel the same way. Ron Eason [KRRon] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "Larry Capps" ; "KR-Net" Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 2:00 PM Subject: KR> DONATION Larry, Please do not refund my subscription money I sent in to you. Your expenses for saving the rights to the Newsletter will take a long time to recover. You have done a great favor to us all by buying Monte out. I hope my subscription money will help. At this time I am also asking EVERYONE to make a donation to Larry Capps so he can recover some of the money he paid Monte. The sales of the CD will recover some of it but far from all. I will also be ordering the CD from you. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup One click access to the Top Search Engines http://www.exactsearchbar.com/mailcom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:22:20 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: RCTRVLR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> retractable gear question. Message-ID: --part1_ea.326440cf.2b28339c_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="ea.326440cf_alt_bound" --ea.326440cf_alt_bound Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan, I was not trying to compare the grove gear to the deihl gear, I was comparing those 2 types of gear to the retractable gear. I like both the deihl and the grove, its just a matter of preference and choice. Ray --ea.326440cf_alt_bound Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      Dan, I was not trying to compare the grove gear to the deihl gear, I was comparing those 2 types of gear to the retractable gear. I like both the deihl and the grove, its just a matter of preference and choice.

       Ray --ea.326440cf_alt_bound-- --part1_ea.326440cf.2b28339c_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:22:29 +0200 To: From: "Serge Vidal" Subject: RE: KR> retractable gear question. Message-ID: <001301c2a0df$23934380$36f521c4@sergevidal12> ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C2A0EF.E71F20C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not to mention the fact that you will have one more tyre...and the drag asociated to one more big wheel. Signed: A converted taildragger addict. Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Johannesburg, South Africa -----Original Message----- From: Dan Heath [mailto:danrh@alltel.net] Sent: 11 December 2002 05:24 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> retractable gear question. RE: I think the plane looks much nicer with tri gear. Much easier to install and less maintenance. I must respond to this. I have no question about your other comments, maybe so, maybe not. However, "looks nicer", well beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, and this beholder strongly disagrees with that. Much easier to install and less maintenance????? I don't see how can more parts, more moving parts, can be easier to install and require less maintenance? This one really needs investigation. I had a conventional Grove "type" gear for six years and it never required any maintenance. As far as choice of gear, I have installed both the Diehl and the Grove "type" gear and their is no question on which is easier to install. However, the Grove type does cost more and is heavier, and depending on the beholder, may not look as nice as the Diehl. DanRH@KR-Builder.org See ya in Red Oak --- 2003, Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic. See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG KR Purchasing Info at: http://fly-kr.com -------Original Message------- From: KRnet@mailinglists.org Date: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 03:19:23 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> retractable gear question. If your starting out new, go with tricycle gear, Its easier and safer to land, I think the plane looks much nicer with tri gear. Much easier to install and less maintenance. And selling your KR will be easier. There are 2 choices I know of for fixed main gear, and that is Deihl and Grove. If your going to go with the taildragger convention fixed gear. you might want to use Grove. But for simplicity of ordering everything from one source, I am going with tricycle gear from Deihl. I can get everything even the wheel pants all in one shot. The Grove gear are supposed to be easier to install, but at a higher price. Whatever you do, you do what you want to do, don`t get something you don`t want because someone say`s if your a "real pilot" you would build a taildragger with retracts. You get what you feel most comfortable with. Good Luck Ray ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C2A0EF.E71F20C0-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************