From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 16 Dec 2002 02:33:48 -0000 Issue 578 Date: Sunday, December 15, 2002 6:34 PM krnet Digest 16 Dec 2002 02:33:48 -0000 Issue 578 Topics (messages 13838 through 13867): Re: Plex. 13838 by: Robert Stone zenith 13839 by: Flymaca711689.aol.com 13840 by: Steve Glover Installation of Matco brakes? 13841 by: larry flesner 13843 by: Mark Langford 13846 by: RCTRVLR.aol.com 13848 by: RCTRVLR.aol.com Has anyone extended a KR2S fuselage aft? 13842 by: josandt.netzero.net 13844 by: Darren Pond 13845 by: Ronevogt.aol.com 13857 by: Darren Pond Re: Engine for sale 13847 by: bill kirkland 13849 by: JEAN VERON 13850 by: JEAN VERON 13854 by: Brian Kraut brakes/shortcut 13851 by: larry flesner extended a KR2S fuselage aft? 13852 by: larry flesner brakes/top mount pedals 13853 by: larry flesner Torque for prop bolts 13855 by: Rick Wilson 13856 by: Mark Langford 13858 by: Mark Langford 13867 by: Rick Wilson New Guy From New York State 13859 by: hank clark test 13860 by: Jim Morehead 13861 by: Bill Higdon Re: aircraft brake fluid 13862 by: virgnvs.juno.com 13864 by: Rick Wilson Re: Cleaning Plexiglas 13863 by: virgnvs.juno.com 13866 by: Ron Freiberger cleaning plexi 13865 by: jim . synergy design Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 17:56:45 -0600 To: From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Plex. Message-ID: <001401c2a3cc$7561e140$05d81a18@hot.rr.com> Pat, I think there are many products that would work and tooth past sounds like one of them. Any mild abrasive should clean and polish Plexiglas Bob stone ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Driscoll" To: "KR Net Mail" Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 4:41 PM Subject: KR> Plex. When I was in the Air Force Aero Club at Davis Monthan AFB AZ (1957) we used Colgate Toothpaste, after some very fine sandpaper, to remove scratches and polish the Plexiglas. Got the idea from one of the guy's wives that said she used Colgate to polish radio crystals to the right freq. Pat Driscoll ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 20:31:04 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Flymaca711689@aol.com Subject: zenith Message-ID: <151.18e965a8.2b2d3558@aol.com> --part1_151.18e965a8.2b2d3558_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i just got off the phone with revmaster and my new carb is on the way. i was using zenith 1821 problem i am having is it goes rich on climb out i think the problem is float setting i ordered kit that was inferior $7800 bucks down the drain (not from great planes Steve DOS not sale kits for it .it was trouble free for 200hrs but after trying to get parts the right ones!!!!!! yes some of the parts work but they were different so it getting selfed till i can call zenith in VA but they don't sell to the public and the supplier DOS not sell the right kit IM going to be up front that it is on aircraft at this point its useless if i cant get the right needle and float has somebuddy besides me had problems getting parts for zenith? mac --part1_151.18e965a8.2b2d3558_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 18:09:04 -0800 To: From: "Steve Glover" Subject: Re: KR> zenith Message-ID: <003a01c2a3de$f18a11e0$c18afea9@IntelliSpec> There is a place in Huntington Beach, Calif. called Nostalgia Cycle that carries rebuild kits and various size jets for these carbs. Good luck, Steve Glover Rancho Santa Margarita, Ca. n925sg@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 5:31 PM Subject: KR> zenith > i just got off the phone with revmaster and my new carb is on the way. i was > using zenith 1821 problem i am having is it goes rich on climb out i think > the problem is float setting i ordered kit that was inferior $7800 bucks down > the drain (not from great planes Steve DOS not sale kits for it .it was > trouble free for 200hrs but after trying to get parts the right ones!!!!!! > yes some of the parts work but they were different so it getting selfed till > i can call zenith in VA but they don't sell to the public and the supplier > DOS not sell the right kit IM going to be up front that it is on aircraft at > this point its useless if i cant get the right needle and float has somebuddy > besides me had problems getting parts for zenith? > > > mac > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 20:19:43 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: Installation of Matco brakes? Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021214201943.007af100@mail.midwest.net> improvement though, which iis shown in a photo that I took at Pine Bluff (see http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/pinebluff2001/01092120.jpg ) . This setup allows the pivot point to move with the pedals, resulting in some sweet pedal geometry... >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= If you want to see a similar setup but with pedals mounted to the upper firewall box check out my site (larry Flesner) at krnet.org under projects. Third picture from the bottom shows a close up of my pedal/brakes. The entire unit moves as one assy. Larry Flesner flesner@midwest.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 20:42:16 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Installation of Matco brakes? Message-ID: <018601c2a3e3$953e31a0$0100a8c0@TD310> Larry Flesner wrote: > If you want to see a similar setup but with pedals mounted to the > upper firewall box check out my site (larry Flesner) at krnet.org > under projects. Third picture from the bottom shows a close up > of my pedal/brakes. Here's a shortcut for you RAM challenged folks that can't load that whole page (there's quite a bit of stuff there), at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/flesner/20.jpg . How did I make this shortcut? Just go to the picture, right click on it, and hit "properties", and then highlight and copy the filename and paste it into this message. At least that's the way it's done in Explorer. At the same time, you could right click on it and hit "save picture as" and save it to somewhere on your hard disk and start your own scrapbook of good ideas so you'll have them when you get there. Of course, if you have the RAM, check out the rest of Larry's plane at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/flesner/ . It's gonna be a nice one! Working on the trim tab... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:55:23 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: RCTRVLR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Installation of Matco brakes? Message-ID: --part1_a1.324c99fa.2b2d734b_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="a1.324c99fa_alt_bound" --a1.324c99fa_alt_bound Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great pics Dan, my problem is that my pedal mounted to the top and work down, not up, this is my problem. I just made pics of my rudder controls and can send them to you, maybe you can look at them and come up with something that will work. Thanks. Ray --a1.324c99fa_alt_bound Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great pics Dan, my problem is that my pedal mounted to the top and work down, not up, this is my problem. I just made pics of my rudder controls and can send them to you, maybe you can look at them and come up with something that will work. Thanks.

        Ray --a1.324c99fa_alt_bound-- --part1_a1.324c99fa.2b2d734b_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:59:21 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: RCTRVLR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Installation of Matco brakes? Message-ID: <9b.324f3f7e.2b2d7439@aol.com> --part1_9b.324f3f7e.2b2d7439_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="9b.324f3f7e_alt_bound" --9b.324f3f7e_alt_bound Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/14/2002 9:27:27 PM US Eastern Standard Time, flesner@midwest.net writes: > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/pinebluff2001/01092120.jpg Thanks Larry, looks like the best way to go... Ray --9b.324f3f7e_alt_bound Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/14/2002 9:27:27 PM US Eastern Standard Time, flesner@midwest.net writes:

http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/pinebluff2001/01092120.jpg


Thanks Larry, looks like the best way to go...

       Ray --9b.324f3f7e_alt_bound-- --part1_9b.324f3f7e.2b2d7439_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 18:32:31 -0600 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: josandt@netzero.net Subject: Has anyone extended a KR2S fuselage aft? Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20021214182547.009e9ab0@pop.netzero.net> Hi, guys! I'm an "ignorant" new guy with my first krnet post. I'm beginning construction of a KR2S and want to follow Mark Langford's idea of extending the fuselage aft a bit. Has anyone out there done it? Does it help pitch sensitivity? I'm planning on running a Subu EA81 engine (185 lbs min.). I would guess that the fuselage might need an extra bay or two without any extension forward of the spar, but I'm interested in hearing from someone who's doing the same OR has already got one flying. John --------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 23:42:07 -0500 To: From: "Darren Pond" Subject: RE: KR> Has anyone extended a KR2S fuselage aft? Message-ID: You want to ask this question on the Subu lists. I'm also on them and there is a number of KR builders with the same intent as you. Darren Pond CF-VML Taylor Mono plane almost flying. C-GGGW KR2 1835vw coming to a airport near you this spring PondHopper 2 place 2.2 turbo (building stage) Cambridge Ont Canada pond27@rogers.com -----Original Message----- From: josandt@netzero.net [mailto:josandt@netzero.net] Sent: December 14, 2002 7:33 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Has anyone extended a KR2S fuselage aft? Hi, guys! I'm an "ignorant" new guy with my first krnet post. I'm beginning construction of a KR2S and want to follow Mark Langford's idea of extending the fuselage aft a bit. Has anyone out there done it? Does it help pitch sensitivity? I'm planning on running a Subu EA81 engine (185 lbs min.). I would guess that the fuselage might need an extra bay or two without any extension forward of the spar, but I'm interested in hearing from someone who's doing the same OR has already got one flying. John --------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:07:24 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Ronevogt@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Has anyone extended a KR2S fuselage aft? Message-ID: <126.1cfa1a04.2b2d680c@aol.com> --part1_126.1cfa1a04.2b2d680c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subu lists? Do you have a website address for that? If so, please tell me what it is. Thanks RV --part1_126.1cfa1a04.2b2d680c_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:24:39 -0500 To: From: "Darren Pond" Subject: RE: KR> Has anyone extended a KR2S fuselage aft? Message-ID: FlySoob@yahoogroups.com subaruaircraft@yahoogroups.com ( this is the best) airsoob@yahoogroups.com Goto yahoo groups and sign on to any or all of them. Darren Pond CF-VML Taylor Mono plane almost flying. C-GGGW KR2 1835vw coming to a airport near you this spring PondHopper 2 place 2.2 turbo (building stage) Cambridge Ont Canada pond27@rogers.com 137 Walker St Cambridge Ontario Canada N3C2C3 519-651-2522 home 519-653-6500 Ext 5086 work 519-241-4242 cell -----Original Message----- From: Ronevogt@aol.com [mailto:Ronevogt@aol.com] Sent: December 15, 2002 12:07 AM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Has anyone extended a KR2S fuselage aft? Subu lists? Do you have a website address for that? If so, please tell me what it is. Thanks RV ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 01:17:04 -0500 To: From: "bill kirkland" Subject: Re: KR> Engine for sale Message-ID: <007b01c2a401$96f5aa00$eb942a18@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Jean; Interested in instruments and nosegear (if any) W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND kirkland@rogers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "JEAN VERON" To: "KRNet" Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 9:55 PM Subject: KR> Engine for sale I have decided that if i can't sell N4DD as a whole airplane then I will Part it out. I will start with the firewall forward package first. Once it sells then the other stuff will go. The engine is a Cont O-200 approx. 45 hrs SMOH. New crank, new Slick mags, new main, rod and cam bearings (new configuration). The engine mount is custom made to put the attach points closer to the longerons. Sabre prop extension. Choice of Sterba or 3 blade ground adjustable Warp Drive prop and spinner to match. Price is $6,500. You can come to Tulsa and see it run. After all the good stuff is gone I'm going to put a dummy VW engine on it, original go-cart wheels, non working instruments, old radio and a good paint job on it and give it to a museum. That is the plan. Anyone interested E-mail me direct. Jean Veron N4DD Broken Arrow, OK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 06:11:45 -0600 To: "KRNet" From: "JEAN VERON" Subject: Re: KR> Engine for sale Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C2A4CA.02958E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was asking $12,500 but make me an offer. Jean =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Justin Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 10:48 AM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Engine for sale =20 How much are you asking for your plane? Justin JEAN VERON wrote: >No its too heavy and too fast. Empty wt. 660 lbs. 165 mph. Although it m= ay qualify for the new sport plane. Not sure. >Jean =20 > =20 >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kevin Jones >Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 9:38 PM >To: KRnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: Re: KR> Engine for sale > =20 > In your view, would N4DD qualify as an ultralight? I suppose that >question is insulting to a true KR person but hear me out. I have 2000 h= ours >and hold a comercial ticket. But because I have had past medical probele= ms I >haven't been able to get a medical. That means I can only fly an ultra. > If you could make a case for it being an ultra then I would ask you = what >yoou are asking for it.Contact me off list at kevin-jones@snet.net. >kj > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "JEAN VERON" >To: "KRNet" >Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 9:55 PM >Subject: KR> Engine for sale > > >I have decided that if i can't sell N4DD as a whole airplane then I will >Part it out. I will start with the firewall forward package first. Once = it >sells then the other stuff will go. The engine is a Cont O-200 approx. 4= 5 >hrs SMOH. New crank, new Slick mags, new main, rod and cam bearings (new >configuration). The engine mount is custom made to put the attach points >closer to the longerons. Sabre prop extension. Choice of Sterba or 3 bla= de >ground adjustable Warp Drive prop and spinner to match. Price is $6,500.= You >can come to Tulsa and see it run. >After all the good stuff is gone I'm going to put a dummy VW engine on i= t, >original go-cart wheels, non working instruments, old radio and a good p= aint >job on it and give it to a museum. >That is the plan. Anyone interested E-mail me direct. >Jean Veron >N4DD >Broken Arrow, OK > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =20 >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > =20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =20 For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C2A4CA.02958E60-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 06:08:20 -0600 To: "KRNet" From: "JEAN VERON" Subject: Re: KR> Engine for sale Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2A4C9.88681720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill The Instruments will be sold only after the engine. I have a couple of p= eople interested in the whole airplane. But if it goes in parts I'll let = you know. Jean =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: bill kirkland Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 11:57 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Engine for sale =20 Jean; Interested in instruments and nosegear (if any) W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND kirkland@rogers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "JEAN VERON" To: "KRNet" Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 9:55 PM Subject: KR> Engine for sale I have decided that if i can't sell N4DD as a whole airplane then I will Part it out. I will start with the firewall forward package first. Once i= t sells then the other stuff will go. The engine is a Cont O-200 approx. 45 hrs SMOH. New crank, new Slick mags, new main, rod and cam bearings (new configuration). The engine mount is custom made to put the attach points closer to the longerons. Sabre prop extension. Choice of Sterba or 3 blad= e ground adjustable Warp Drive prop and spinner to match. Price is $6,500. = You can come to Tulsa and see it run. After all the good stuff is gone I'm going to put a dummy VW engine on it= , original go-cart wheels, non working instruments, old radio and a good pa= int job on it and give it to a museum. That is the plan. Anyone interested E-mail me direct. Jean Veron N4DD Broken Arrow, OK --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =20 For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2A4C9.88681720-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:13:15 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Brian Kraut Subject: Re: KR> Engine for sale Message-ID: <3DFCB82B.9040303@earthlink.net> N4DD, Isn't that Dan Diehl's original KR? If so, that was one of the very first and most well known KRs. That just may be an EAA museum piece. bill kirkland wrote: >Jean; Interested in instruments and nosegear (if any) >W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND >kirkland@rogers.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "JEAN VERON" >To: "KRNet" >Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 9:55 PM >Subject: KR> Engine for sale > > >I have decided that if i can't sell N4DD as a whole airplane then I will >Part it out. I will start with the firewall forward package first. Once it >sells then the other stuff will go. The engine is a Cont O-200 approx. 45 >hrs SMOH. New crank, new Slick mags, new main, rod and cam bearings (new >configuration). The engine mount is custom made to put the attach points >closer to the longerons. Sabre prop extension. Choice of Sterba or 3 blade >ground adjustable Warp Drive prop and spinner to match. Price is $6,500. You >can come to Tulsa and see it run. > After all the good stuff is gone I'm going to put a dummy VW engine on it, >original go-cart wheels, non working instruments, old radio and a good paint >job on it and give it to a museum. > That is the plan. Anyone interested E-mail me direct. >Jean Veron >N4DD >Broken Arrow, OK > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 06:23:16 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: brakes/shortcut Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021215062316.008d7180@mail.midwest.net> >Here's a shortcut for you RAM challenged folks that can't >load that whole page (there's quite a bit of stuff there), at >http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/flesner >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Mark, Thanks for the shortcut. Many of us are more than JUST RAM challenged! Do you ever get to feeling like you're the goat with the bell that leads the herd? :-) Larry Flesner flesner@midwest.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 07:01:19 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: extended a KR2S fuselage aft? Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021215070119.008d9df0@mail.midwest.net> >would guess that the fuselage might need an extra bay or two without any >extension forward of the spar, but I'm interested in hearing from someone >who's doing the same OR has already got one flying. John +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ John, I suggest you start with the KR2s plans and if you want the fuselage longer just add 1 inch to each of the rear bays. 24 inches longer than the original KR2 is probably the longest you would want to make it. Also, count on 250 lbs for the Sabaru engine installed. Your resusts may vary! Larry Flesner flesner@midwest.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 07:04:54 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: brakes/top mount pedals Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021215070454.008db8d0@mail.midwest.net> > Thanks Larry, looks like the best way to go... > Ray ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= My entire setup was built with alum angle and small channel, no welding. The fixed foot pad is mounted on washer spacers and was added so I don't "drag" the brakes unintentionally. The only way to get brakes is to rotate my foot on the pedal. It works fine for me. The right side foot pads are from an alum lawn chair front brace that was setting next to my trash can. Hey, parts is parts!! Larry Flesner flesner@midwest.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:16:26 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Rick Wilson Subject: Torque for prop bolts Message-ID: <20021215171626.98145.qmail@web21203.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Can anyone out there tell me what the propeller bolts are supposed to torque on a Cont. 0200 with a wood prop? Thanks, Rick Wilson. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:24:23 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Torque for prop bolts Message-ID: <01c901c2a45e$d030b7d0$0100a8c0@TD310> Rick Wilson wrote: > Hi, Can anyone out there tell me what the propeller > bolts are supposed to torque on a Cont. 0200 with a > wood prop? We've beaten this one pretty thoroughly before, and I think the bottom line was contact the prop manufacturer and follow his advice. "take a look at FAA AC 43.13 paragraph 618 sub C.. ..Tighten hub bolts, preferably with a torque wrench, to the recommended values, which usually range from 15 to 24 foot-pounds.....The tightening is best accomplished by tightening each bolt a little at a time, being sure to tighten alternate bolts which are diametrically opposite. Exercise care not to overtighten hub bolts, thereby damaging the wood underneath the hub flanges. Avoid the practice of overtightening bolts to draw the propeller into track..." and in a later post: Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Wilson" To: Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 11:16 AM Subject: KR> Torque for prop bolts > Hi, Can anyone out there tell me what the propeller > bolts are supposed to torque on a Cont. 0200 with a > wood prop? Thanks, Rick Wilson. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:34:21 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Torque for prop bolts Message-ID: <01d501c2a460$346dec30$0100a8c0@TD310> Wow! That last email sent itself, way before I was ready! To continue... and then later Brian (Whatcott) wrote: "I see that Jean offered 10 ft.lbs on a VW hub, and Don offered 19 ft.lbs on a C200 hub. Let's see if I can drum up some numbers. The crush strength across grain for a variety of suitable timbers is given below. (from Macabee) Both hard and softwoods are used in props, sometimes together. Ash 1680 psi Birch 1380 Oak 1450 Spruce 740 (If these numbers are worrying, remember that ALONG the grain as in WAFs on spars these woods are much tougher, spruce is 4700 vs 740 psi for instance) Prop bolts are usually used to tension a prop plate against the hub. A sample plate is say 5 in od, 3 in od, that's 19.6 - 7.1 = 12.5 sq in Assume the prop is all spruce ( but could be a wood twice as resistant to crush) then the allowable force is say 80% crush or 740 x 0.8 x 12.5 = 7400 pounds shared by six bolts, that's 1233 lbs per bolt. Picking a bolt size out of the air ( 3/8 x 16) where you might be using 5/16 in or even 1/4 in - the thread on this particular bolt rises 0.053in per inch of circumference, so in ideal circumstances, you would apply 1233 x .053 = 65 lbs at 3/16 inch from the bolt axis, that's 29 ft.lbs. In view of the uncertainties surrounding this calculation ( e.g is the prop washer REALLY stiff enough not to deflect when the bolts are tightened?) I would use Jean's number 10 ft.lbs as a lower limit, and this number as an upper limit, and start with Don's number - 19 ft.lbs. But if you see a permanent depression in the hub behind the washer, you tightened too much!" And I was going to start all of this with "Brian Whatcott commented on this a few years ago on KRnet, and made the following observations...". I found this stuff in the archives by keying in "prop, torque, and from Brian Whatcott". Still, there is no better source of info than the prop manufacturer. Other comments are certainly welcome, but I thought I'd throw this out there... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:34:24 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Rick Wilson Subject: Torque for prop bolts Message-ID: <20021216023424.48143.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for the replies on my question about torquing prop bolts. I torqued them to approx. 27 lbs. and they seemed tight enough. there was no crushing into the wood by the front plate. Thanks again, Rick Wilson. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:08:48 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: hank clark Subject: New Guy From New York State Message-ID: <20021215200848.33015.qmail@web14702.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1571636825-1039982928=:32459 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm one of those guys who somehow missed the KR aircraft until now. All of the web sites have been a great help, along with the archive of postings. What I'd really like is to just SEE a KR2s on triclycle gear for real. It is difficult to determine who owns one within driving distance of Albany, New York. I'm in Glens Falls, about 50 Miles north. Anybody out there? Hank Clark hclark4@adelphia.net --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --0-1571636825-1039982928=:32459-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:32:09 -0800 To: KR- Net From: Jim Morehead Subject: test Message-ID: test ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:17:39 -0800 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Bill Higdon Subject: Re: KR> test Message-ID: <3DFCFF83.80703@attbi.com> Well Jim did we pass? ;-)) Bill Higdon Jim Morehead wrote: > test ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:34:08 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> aircraft brake fluid Message-ID: <20021215.192943.-500587.12.virgnvs@juno.com> Wont DOT-3 work, Virg On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:26:42 -0800 (PST) Rick Wilson writes: > Hi, Can anyone tell me if there is any fluid that can > be substituted for mil spec red brake fluid where it > is called for in brake master cylinders? I was hoping > there would be something I could get locally instead > of waiting a week for just one pint if I have to order > it. Thanks, Rickey Wilson. rwdw2002@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 16:40:00 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Rick Wilson Subject: Re: KR> aircraft brake fluid Message-ID: <20021216004000.68713.qmail@web21210.mail.yahoo.com> Virg, I've been told that regular DOT type brake fluid will break down the rubber seals used in aircraft type master cylinders. Rick Wilson. --- virgnvs@juno.com wrote: > Wont DOT-3 work, Virg > > On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:26:42 -0800 (PST) Rick Wilson > > writes: > > Hi, Can anyone tell me if there is any fluid that > can > > be substituted for mil spec red brake fluid where > it > > is called for in brake master cylinders? I was > hoping > > there would be something I could get locally > instead > > of waiting a week for just one pint if I have to > order > > it. Thanks, Rickey Wilson. rwdw2002@yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > , NOT "reply > > all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL > WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:15:59 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Cleaning Plexiglas Message-ID: <20021215.192942.-500587.6.virgnvs@juno.com> ----__JNP_000_5130.6392.682f Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_1071.1613.0e31 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_1071.1613.0e31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Be carefull of GOOF OFF, It mignt damage the plastic, Virg On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:38:54 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) "Dan Heath" writes: There is a cleaner made by 3M for removing gummy stuff left over from tape and other such stuff. It works great. I think I got mine from an auto paint supply store. If that isn't enough information, let me know and I will get the exact name of it for you. DanRH@KR-Builder.org See ya in Red Oak --- 2003, Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic. See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG KR Purchasing Info at: http://fly-kr.com -------Original Message------- From: KRnet@mailinglists.org Date: Friday, December 13, 2002 04:22:17 AM To: kr net Subject: KR> Cleaning Plexiglas I used clear packaging tape to protect my Plexiglas during the construction process. When I started removing it, there were places where the adhesive stuck to the Plexiglas. Does someone have a method to clean this up without marring the Plexiglas? Thanks. Jim Vance Vance@ClaflinWildcats.com ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY ----__JNP_000_1071.1613.0e31 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        Be carefull of GOOF OFF, It= =20 mignt damage the plastic, Virg
 
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:38:54 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) "Dan Heath"= =20 <danrh@alltel.net> writes:
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If that isn't enough information, let me know and I=20 will get the exact name of it for you.
 

DanRH@KR-Builder.org

See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,

= Daniel R.=20 Heath - Lexington, SC

See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org  = Click on=20 the Pic.

See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG

KR= =20 Purchasing Info at: http://fly-kr.com =20

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I used clear packaging tape to protect my = Plexiglas=20 during the construction process. When I started removing it, there = were=20 places where the adhesive stuck to the Plexiglas. Does someone have= a=20 method to clean this up without marring the=20 Plexiglas?

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----__JNP_000_1071.1613.0e31-- ----__JNP_000_5130.6392.682f-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:49:12 -0500 To: From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> Cleaning Plexiglas Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C2A544.96E319A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Be carefull of GOOF OFF, It mignt damage the plastic, Virg[Ron Freiberger] (Said) [Ron Freiberger] Is that information, or yet another OPINION WITHOUT A CAUSE? ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C2A544.96E319A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:20:10 -0800 To: From: "jim @ synergy design" Subject: cleaning plexi Message-ID: <003c01c2a4a9$aa1c39c0$0101a8c0@net> ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C2A466.9A90DE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Goo Gone is a citrus based cleaner. I have used it all sorts of surfaces = including many plastics and never had a problem. Jim Sporka=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C2A466.9A90DE40-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************