From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 21 Dec 2002 20:27:07 -0000 Issue 584 Date: Saturday, December 21, 2002 12:28 PM krnet Digest 21 Dec 2002 20:27:07 -0000 Issue 584 Topics (messages 13953 through 13979): Re: 4 Months Australian KR-2S Tests/Less Common Forward C.G. 13953 by: Christian Kogelmann Out of Pocket Expenses for Gathering? 13954 by: larry flesner Re: 2004 Gathering 13955 by: Kevin Jones KR Gathering 2002 Finances & Location for 2004 13956 by: gpasc 2004 Gathering/tower fields 13957 by: larry flesner 2004 Gathering, long note. 13958 by: Deems Herring Re: Elevator weight 13959 by: Phillip Matheson 13967 by: jim . synergy design markers and plexiglas (acrylic) 13960 by: Mark Langford 13961 by: Dan Heath 13963 by: Bill Higdon 13964 by: wstarrs 13969 by: Edwin Blocher KR-2 for Sale 13962 by: Steve Glover revflow mounting 13965 by: Flymaca711689.aol.com 13973 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout fiberglass cloth 13966 by: DON WALKER 13970 by: David Mullins 13971 by: Richard Parker 13972 by: Richard Parker project update 13968 by: Mark Langford vw engine half sealant 13974 by: Sylvester Stys 13976 by: gleone 13977 by: Mark Langford Re: vw engine (duty dual ignition engine) 13975 by: DIRTDOBBER47.aol.com 13979 by: Dan Heath layouts hand drawn 13978 by: Allan D Olcott Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:57:02 +0100 To: From: "Christian Kogelmann" Subject: Re: KR> 4 Months Australian KR-2S Tests/Less Common Forward C.G. Message-ID: <005601c2a788$44db2a80$841c2e3e@aptivacomputer> Sorry Don, but I am not Australian. All this is Austria in Europe! Cheers Christan ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Blankenship To: Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:33 AM Subject: KR> 4 Months Australian KR-2S Tests/Less Common Forward C.G. > From: "Christian Kogelmann" > > To: "Donald Blankenship" > > References: <20021211025909.43343.qmail@mail.com> > > Subject: Re: Addendum to Addendum to Addendum: Christian C.G. > Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 18:47:11 +0100 > > Don, > > thanks for the advise. You may share my experience on the net. > The 1030 lbs take off weight is about 50 lbs above the KR-2S > Design weight. I have a report from Bill Marcy, were he pictured the V-n diagram and other data at 1050lbs. We have talked to our CAA guy and we could agree, that this would be our Max takeoff weight. By the way there are a lot heavier KR-2's flying around. > > When I remove the engine mount spacer I will of course > review/recalculate the W&B, maybe I will even put the little racer on the scales again. > > Currently I am at an Air Force airfield with a 12 000 ft runway. > We have perfect conditions there for testing. My test pilot is a retired Air Force pilot with loads of experience. > > As I said in my previous mail, we were successful in > establishing stall speeds, if you want to publish them as well: > > at approx 900lbs we have 48kts with flaps; 54 clean > at approx 1030lbs we have 50kts with flaps; 55 clean > at approx 1030lbs during rain we have 54kts with flaps; 59kts > clean. > > The speed accuracy was were verified with a chase plane (Super > Dimona Motorglider). The C/G was right in the middle of the range at 1030lbs were it flew best > and was easy to land. > > The next test we need to according to our CAA guy is to test the trimability of the plane. As you can see our authority is also aware about the W&B situation and he is a very experienced aeronautical engineer. > > Do not worry I am in good hands. > > Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me. > I will advise further test flying results. > Are you interested in a photo of my KR? > > Best Regards > Christian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Donald Blankenship > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 3:59 AM > Subject: Re: Addendum to Addendum to Addendum: Christian C.G. > > Christian, > > Step very carefully my friend. I wrote you originally, > because something did not sound right, and it still does not. Removing the extensions you put on the engine mounts is going in the correct direction, but as you do so, removing the weight in the tail should also be done. I hope putting weight in the tail and engine mount extensions aren't common KR builder techniques. > > Too much weight in the nose and you have a perhaps overly > stable plane that doesn't want to take off or is "stick heavy." > Much worse than that, I can tell you weight in the tail is not normally anything a person would want to do. Too much weight in the tail can create a very unstable object that just looks like a plane before it crashes. You should obtain the best weights and balance calculations or help with those calculations that are available to you where you are. > > A clearer picture of what may be happening seems to be > coming forth, though. At 1030 pounds, the plane is much heavier than the design weight. That means landing speed (and take off speed) must be greater than the design calls out. It also means the plane flies slightly nose up compared to what it would do at a lighter weight. The nose up attitude places the wing at sufficient up "angle of attack" to achieve the necessary lift for the airspeed. As you near the runway for landing, the airspeed is cut for landing and the nose may drop as the airspeed drops. > > The heavy weight of the plane is too bad. If you can't cut > the weight and do it in a way that is closer to plans, you may never have a plane that behaves the way you would want. > > Also, this last memo from you implies you are trying to cut > the landing or take off distance. A 3000-foot unobstructed landing or take off area is too short for the trials you are doing. I hope you are using at least a 4000 to 5000-foot unobstructed runway and 10,000 feet if you can get it. > > I wrote to say I have concern for you according to your > flight test reports. Please be careful and get some help there. A good > aeronautical engineer would not charge you a dime. A bad one might, so it's easy to pick good ones from bad ones. A good one would also enjoy it. > > If you give me permission, I will share this with others on > the Krnet who I am certain are or will have similar problems. If not, that's OK, too. > > Good luck and happy flying, > > Don Blankenship > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christian Kogelmann" > > Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:45:13 +0100 > To: "Donald Blankenship" > > Subject: Re: Addendum to Addendum to Addendum: Christian > C.G. > > Donald, > thanks for your help. We have just completed some more > test flying at an Austrian Air Force Base. We were the smallest airplane around but got the most attention. > > We flew about 6 hours and determined take-off and > landing roll distance. After our little incident (overshoot at landing) at the first flight, we could get the landing distance to within 1200 feet now. > > Even with additional weight in the tail off the > airplane we still did not manage to get rid of the nose heaviness with half fuel and a light pilot. > The take off weight was 900 lbs. > > The little racer (130kts @ 3000 RPM) flew very balanced at C/G > Position at about half way of the published C/G Range (right in > the middle, shows a very good basic design....). Trim indication was neutral. (Take off weight was about 1030lbs) > > So we are, inspite of adding 6 lbs of lead, still nose > heavy. We are definitely going to remove the engine spacers and > check if we still need weight in the tail. The removal of the weights should bring us all the advantages you were pointing out as well. > > Appart from the C/G testing the airplane flew very > well. The control inputs are very balanced and direct but crisp. The airplane translates stick movement immediately into action. > We are very please with the all over performance. > > Talk to you > Christian > OE-VPD > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Donald Blankenship > > To: Christian Kogelmann > > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:29 PM > Subject: Addendum to Addendum to Addendum: Christian > C.G. > > > Christian, > > I just sent you a reply to your latest reply, but > I forgot to add one more important benefit of eliminating the 1.5-inch engine mount spacers: > > Benefit c) The horizontal tail would no longer > have to counterbalance the 1.5 inch x 180 lb extra moment of the spacers. In other words, eliminating the spacers will allow your horizontal tail to work a little less. I know you put extra weight in the tail to counterbalance the forward cg, but imagine what that extra weight is doing: picture two weights on a small bar. The bar is balanced one-third along its length by a heavier weight on the short end and a lighter weight on the longer end. Bump the heavier weight a > little and the lighter weight goes up and down a lot. Counterbalancing > that up and down motion is unnecessary work that has to be > done with stick and tail forces as long as you have unneeded spacers and some or all of that tail ballast. > > Even if the optimum tail leading edge incidence > angle would be more downward for your engine weight than plans call for, the difference between optimum and your tail mounting angle would not present itself quite as much if you eliminate the engine mount spacers. > > See my other message for additional benefits. > > --db > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christian Kogelmann" > > Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:43:44 +0200 > To: "Donald Blankenship" > > Subject: Re: Addendum: Christian C.G. > > Donald, > sorry for my delay answering you but other > business kept me from doing so. I very much appreciate your thoughts, and I am worried too about this condition. Especially as you say forward C/G is no problem for the KR. The trim tab movement was checked prior to first flight. But I guess I will check it again, just making sure. My horizontal stabilizer is lying on the top longerons, and considering that I build a typical banana boat that means > that the stabi is about 1/2° leading edge down. This small stabilizer > down angle should actually prevent the pitch down force. The engine is a standard GPAS 2180 with Ellison TBI. The battery is about 13lbs and mounted on the firewall. The firewall forward is pretty standard. The > only change is the spacer which moves the engine forward. I estimate the engine weighs in at about 180lbs. I know my view of engine mount bending is simple but if you look at a Cessna 172 mount the tubes are > about the same size/layout, but the engine is further forward and > the O320 is for sure a lot heavier than 180lbs. > > I haven't had a chance for more flight testing (vacation, family and my job have prevented that) but I am planning to get some more tests on the way early October. With further testing I shall be able to pinpoint the problem. At the moment I am very tempted to remove > the spacers.... > > Thanks for your thoughts. > > Best regards > Christian > OE-VPD > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Donald Blankenship > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 8:59 AM > Subject: Addendum: Christian C.G. > > Sorry to send the same message twice last time, my finger hit return and it sent again. I do want to note a possibility that seems > unlikely. You wrote you needed full tail-down trim as well > as stick pull. By full tail-down trim, I'm sure you were indicating > that the net force on the tail was down by deflecting the trailing edge of the trim tab(s) downward which in turn deflects the elevator trailing edge upward. It's just possible but would not be the first time someone had installed trim tabs to deflect in the same direction as the elevator. That would cause the elevator to need more stick pull than with no trim tab at all. Just thought I'd mention the possibility, no matter how remote. > > --db > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donald Blankenship" > > > Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 01:37:35 -0500 > To: dgb@usa.com > > Subject: Christian C.G. > > Christian, > > I read a lot of the kr netter e-mail and most of the messages > > get thrown away or stored with no further thought until > I need the info for something I'm doing. Your message below stuck in my > mind, because it seems unusual. I know you were replying to a message, but your input sounds much more deserving of more study. > > I cannot recall other builders reporting that their c.g.s were too far > forward, especially 2/3 aft in the allowable range with two people on board. It's not like it can't or hasn't happened, it's just that I've > never heard of it. > > You wrote that you needed full tail-down trim with additional stick back on the first flight. Having to get the nose up using stick pull > Does seem to imply a forward c.g. You extended the engine mounting 1.5 inches which moved the c.g. forward slightly, then put about 6 > pounds of weight in the tail which countered that force. Putting 6 pounds of weight in the tail probably wouldn't have been needed if the mounts hadn't been extended. If you had a forward c.g., it wouldn't seem like you would need to extend the engine mounts any. Also, extending engine mounts increases bending on them that they may not have been designed to handle. > > The only thing I am pointing out is that 2 + 2 seems to equal > 5 in your case somehow, and that is not good. It is not a criticism. Many if not most KR owners struggle to get their c.g. even millimeters forward of the aftmost recommended limit to avoid neutral or unstable pitch characteristics. You must be right about the forward c.g., but > why? Is your engine heavy? Also, if your cg is 2/3 aft within recommended, your flying qualities for cruising flight should be superior to most KR, albeit your tail incidence may not be set correctly. If you have a heavy engine or large header tank, it can be in your favor, but if they are heavier than plans call for, your horizontal tail could be mounted at the wrong incidence angle for your weight configuration to avoid excessive stick pull for long periods. > > You might want to contact other KR owners that fly with similar engine size and weight as yours. They may have info to help decide whether they have experienced similar stick pull, c.g., and have the same h.t. incidence your plane has. It seems possible that the leading edge of your horizontal tail could need to come down somewhat before you can take the lead out of the tail. Heck, maybe the lead is the easiest solution, but it's rare. Something may not be adding up. > > --Don Blankenship > > Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:54:06 > +0200 > From: "Christian > Kogelmann" > > Subject: Re: KR> Weight and > Balance > To: "Krnet" , > > > Based on the KR-2 C/G problem, I installed 1 3/4 inch sapcers > Between the engine and the mount of my KR-2S (otherwise plans build). I > guess I build the tail very light because the C/G is most forward. During the first flight the trim was full tail down and we > still had to pull back a little to make it fly straight. Hence, I ended up putting 2,8kg of lead into the tail. With this additional weight > and minimum fuel plus pilot and passenger, the C/G is still only 2/3 aft within the allowable range. > > I am planning to reduce the spacing from 1 3/4 inch to maybe only > 1/2 inch, but doing this I have to change the cowlings and some other changes. This will be definitely a winter (2004 or 05) project. > > To your question, the KR-2S is if build per plan, very well balanced and does not require any C/G tweaking. > > LG > Chris > OE-VPD > (still test flying...) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 4:18 > PM > Subject: KR> Weight and Balance > >
About a year ago I flew in a KR-2 and found the center of gravity was
too far "aft" with 2 people in the airplane, and required a faster (wheel)
landing than would be used in most conventional-gear airplanes.
> Other than that, this airplane seemed to be extremely well built; leading
me to believe that it was unlikely that the airplane was "misbuilt".  Is
this (center of gravity problem) a common configuration in KR-2 airplanes ?
Is it better in the later model Kr's (such as the
> KR-2S) ?
>
>
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:46:51 -0600
To: KRnet@mailinglists.org
From: larry flesner 
Subject: Out of Pocket Expenses for Gathering?
Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021219124651.008e3ce0@mail.midwest.net>

  What
>expenses does the host have to front before they know how much will be
>returned?     What if no one had been able to get to the gathering in 2001,
>would Tommy have been out $1000? 
>Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Tee shirts, hats, award plaques, name tag stock, pens, phone calls,
to name a few.  There may or may not be a deposit required on
the banquet meal, etc.  The last Gathering had a D.J. and Kereoke (sp?)
session for after the banquet entertainment all probably requiring a
deposit.  

I think we've probably beat this horse enough.  Those that think they
have a good site and would like to host the Gathering should talk
to prior host, get their ducks in a row, and make their pitch.  The
vote comes at the Gathering banquet.  Make your desires know 
ahead of time so attendees have time to think about the different
choices.  

Let's not be "voting on Mt.Vernon, Illinois" yet either.  I don't have
my ducks in a row yet and threw it out there for initial consideration.
There may be several more/better choices by Gathering time.  
Let's not limit our choices.

Larry Flesner

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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:21:37 -0500
To: , 
From: "Kevin Jones" 
Subject: Re: KR> 2004 Gathering
Message-ID: <001701c2a793$ddff91a0$4bebfea9@TheMonster>

FORGIVE a newbie here. Why does the existence of a tower pose such a problem
for a fly-in?
kj
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry A. Capps" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 8:54 PM
Subject: RE: KR> 2004 Gathering

> Ok Mr Flesner, I'll volunteer and support your airport decsion when and if
> we get the nod for Mt Vernon 2004.
>
> One last note:  it was my understanding that Williamson County Airport
> ceased tower operation after 5:00pm on Friday and reopened Tower Ops on
> Monday morning 7:00am?
>
> Larry A. Capps
> KR Newsletter
> Naperville, IL
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: larry flesner
> Subject: 2004 Gathering
>
> Williamson County airport would be a very good location
>
> The one (and only) drawback
> is that the airport has a control tower.
>
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:54:50 -0600
To: 
From: gpasc 
Subject: KR Gathering 2002 Finances & Location for 2004
Message-ID: 

To All:

We have been listening to the chatter about 2004.  We are very happy to see
it.  The Gathering NEEDS to move around.  It needs to move to different
locations and have different hosts.  It needs to be in a town (with hotels)
and close enough to a large airport, for those who fly in commercial.  It
needs to be at a non-controlled airport, for what some might call some
"missed approaches".  2003 is the second, and last year at Red Oak.  A new
Host(s) should step up for 2004.

Gathering Finances:  We received $500 from Tommy from the 2001 KR Gathering.
That is what we had to start with.  The T-shirts and hats cost $800.  Then
add to that, the food for Friday night and all the other items.  We spent
$3000 to put the Gathering on.

You can go to:  http://www.krgathering.org    and click on "An Accounting of
Expenses for 2002" to see a complete listing of expenses and income.  This
is new - a reporting of the expenses and income.  I think it only right that
this is posted for all to see, how their money was spent.

The bottom line, we financed the Gathering and were then paid back.  Our
goal last year was to add a little to each of the items to help build up the
Gathering Fund.  Plus, the plate passing at dinner Saturday.  We doubled the
fund!  It is our hope to double the fund in 2003, and that the 2004 Hosts
will not have to output their much of their own funds.

So guys & gals, get those KR's flying!  We need more KR's flown in, and more
attendees!

2002 & 2003 KR Gathering
Treasurer/Secretary
Linda Bennett

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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:31:43 -0600
To: KRnet@mailinglists.org
From: larry flesner 
Subject: 2004 Gathering/tower fields
Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021219143143.008df580@mail.midwest.net>

>FORGIVE a newbie here. Why does the existence of a tower pose such a
problem for a fly-in?
>kj
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

KR pilots are of a "free spirit" nature and the attendees enjoy the
"fly-bys" as much as the pilots.  It really gets the building juices
flowing.  Granted some get a bit carried away and could stand
to throttle back a bit but a control tower usually means more
air traffic to contend with and greatly restricts the fun for the
fliers.  It's a case of "you'd had to been there"!!!

Thanks Linda for the full accounting and taking the time to bring
some reality to the discussion.   $3000 !!!  I may have to come
out of retirement if the Gathering comes to southern Illinois.
Anyone have any "Sugar Daddys" hidden in the closet?  Thanks 
too for all your efforts at the Gathering.  

See you in Red Oak!!!

Larry Flesner
flesner@midwest.net

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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:36:55 -0600
To: 
From: "Deems Herring" 
Subject: KR> 2004 Gathering,  long note.
Message-ID: <001801c2a7a6$c116c5a0$6500a8c0@frontdesk>

I want to say right up front that I am too new to the group to have attended
any gatherings and I don't have a flying KR yet but I do have experience
organizing a number of types of events. I think the level of interest shown
in the gathering is great. I would suggest however that the discussion could
be organized a bit more productively.
 Maybe the hosts of previous gatherings including 2003 could set a time in
late spring or early summer when preliminary proposals could be submitted to
them. They could then look them over and choose a number of them based on
the quality of the proposal and facilities regardless of geographic
location. Who better to judge the propoals than people that have hosted? The
people who submitted the proposals that were selected would be notified and
they could then submit a final proposal at the gathering for all the people
in attendance to vote on.
    This would allow the people who are interested in having the event in a
particular place to work off list on a proposal, it would weed out areas
that don't have anyone willing or able to host and it could provide a pool
of sights that could be considered for future gatherings.
    If this isn't a good idea just tell me to butt out! and I will go back
and sit in my shop.

Deems Herring, Baudette, Mn
mailto:ballross@wiktel.com

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:49:56 +1100
To: 
From: "Phillip Matheson" 
Subject: Re: KR> Elevator weight
Message-ID: <00be01c2a815$8a37fda0$bb96dccb@Matheson>

Paolo wrote"
Couldn't it be a mistake between measures in
> puonds and in kgs?...
> 12 pounds is more or less 5 kgs...
---------------------------------------

I have had a number of replies that are telling me that the elevator on it's
own should be around 2kgs  4.4 lbs.

My elevator does weight 12lbs.
If you could see some of the other problems I have found, you may understand
my concerns.

To name a few:on the Diehl skins
-Right side spar, warped and twisted
-Right leading edge 1" shorter than the lift side
-Right wing had wash in instead of wash out.
-Due to the rearward warp in the right spar, the wing tip was not the same
measurement from the tail to the tip as the left wing.
- wrong length bolts used in Diehl landing gear, bottomed out.
-Cheep washes from the $2.00 shop under almost all of the bolts.
etc, etc.
just to name a few.

Phil Matheson
matheson@dodo.com.au
61 3 58833588
See our engines at:
http://www.vw-engines.com/

>

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:41:50 -0800
To: 
From: "jim @ synergy design" 
Subject: Re: KR> Elevator weight
Message-ID: <001801c2a8b3$a9eeb140$0101a8c0@net>

Phillip, My elevator/horizontal stabilizer weighs in at @ 10 lbs, not quite
finished. Probably come in at 14 done.   It is 4" longer per side, but about
1 " shorter chord. 5 aluminum hinges with "oilite" bushings, coat of dry
micro to fill foam, and covered with  5. oz. kevlar.  Hope this helps, Jim
Sporka
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phillip Matheson" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 2:49 AM
Subject: Re: KR> Elevator weight

> Paolo wrote"
> Couldn't it be a mistake between measures in
> > puonds and in kgs?...
> > 12 pounds is more or less 5 kgs...
> ---------------------------------------
>
> I have had a number of replies that are telling me that the elevator on
it's
> own should be around 2kgs  4.4 lbs.
>
> My elevator does weight 12lbs.
> If you could see some of the other problems I have found, you may
understand
> my concerns.
>
> To name a few:on the Diehl skins
> -Right side spar, warped and twisted
> -Right leading edge 1" shorter than the lift side
> -Right wing had wash in instead of wash out.
> -Due to the rearward warp in the right spar, the wing tip was not the same
> measurement from the tail to the tip as the left wing.
> - wrong length bolts used in Diehl landing gear, bottomed out.
> -Cheep washes from the $2.00 shop under almost all of the bolts.
> etc, etc.
> just to name a few.
>
>
>
>
> Phil Matheson
> matheson@dodo.com.au
> 61 3 58833588
> See our engines at:
> http://www.vw-engines.com/
>
> >
>
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:05:57 -0600
To: 
From: "Mark Langford" 
Subject: markers and plexiglas (acrylic)
Message-ID: <000701c2a830$eb07aac0$5e0ca58c@tbe.com>

NetHeads,

I talked to Troy Petteway last night, who just finished putting the second
of two windshields (in the last few days) into his KR2.  He built an oven
and a mold, and made the windshield out of quarter inch acrylic (his old
1/8" thick windshield deflected at high speed due to the flat shape out in
the middle).  He had some pretty sad tales of how he had made one that was
perfect, and used a "Permanent Magic Marker" (not a Sharpie) to mark his cut
lines.  He said the thing practically self-destructed before his eyes, with
siderweb cracks going in all directions while he watched!  He had another
one completely installed that cracked in several places and had to be cut
out and replaced.  Subsequent tests showed that the marker was definitely
the culprit.  He now has one in that's doing well, and is thinking about
painting it shortly.  I just thought I'd pass this along as something else
to consider if you're brave enough to make your own canopy or windshield.

So we should see another nice looking KR at the Red Oak in 2003!  There's a
picture of his windshield at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/ktp15.jpg and
more details of his plane at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/ktroyp.html if
you want to know more.  This was the first plane (of any kind) to fly with
the "new" AS5046 airfoil.

Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
mailto:langford@hiwaay.net
see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:34:55 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
To: 
From: "Dan Heath" 
Subject: Re: KR> markers and plexiglas (acrylic)
Message-Id: <3E0362CF.000006.01088@dan>

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Sounds familiar.  I wonder how he made his oven and mold.  We are using 1=
/4
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Sounds familiar.  I wonder how he made his oven and mold. = We are using 1/4 Acrylic as 3/16 Lexan is what crazed on us and we did n= ot use a majic marker.
 

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Subject: KR> ma= rkers and plexiglas (acrylic)
 
NetHeads,

I talked to Troy Petteway last night, w= ho just finished putting the second
of two windshields (in the last fe= w days) into his KR2. He built an oven
and a mold, and made the windsh= ield out of quarter inch acrylic (his old
1/8" thick windshield deflec= ted at high speed due to the flat shape out in
the middle). He had som= e pretty sad tales of how he had made one that was
perfect, and used a= "Permanent Magic Marker" (not a Sharpie) to mark his cut
lines. He sa= id the thing practically self-destructed before his eyes, with
siderwe= b cracks going in all directions while he watched! He had another
one = completely installed that cracked in several places and had to be cut
= out and replaced. Subsequent tests showed that the marker was definitely<= BR>the culprit. He now has one in that's doing well, and is thinking abou= t
painting it shortly. I just thought I'd pass this along as something= else
to consider if you're brave enough to make your own canopy or wi= ndshield.

So we should see another nice looking KR at the Red Oak = in 2003! There's a
picture of his windshield at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/ktp15= =2Ejpg and
more details of his plane at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/ktroyp.ht= ml if
you want to know more. This was the first plane (of any kind= ) to fly with
the "new" AS5046 airfoil.

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He had some pretty sad tales of how he had made one that was > perfect, and used a "Permanent Magic Marker" (not a Sharpie) to mark his cut > lines. He said the thing practically self-destructed before his eyes, with > siderweb cracks going in all directions while he watched! He had another > one completely installed that cracked in several places and had to be cut > out and replaced. Subsequent tests showed that the marker was definitely > the culprit. He now has one in that's doing well, and is thinking about > painting it shortly. I just thought I'd pass this along as something else > to consider if you're brave enough to make your own canopy or windshield. > > So we should see another nice looking KR at the Red Oak in 2003! There's a > picture of his windshield at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/ktp15.jpg and > more details of his plane at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/ktroyp.html if > you want to know more. This was the first plane (of any kind) to fly with > the "new" AS5046 airfoil. > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:04:22 -0700 To: , "Mark Langford" From: "wstarrs" Subject: Re: KR> markers and plexiglas (acrylic) Message-ID: <000501c2a84a$5ae99920$9200a8c0@bstarrs> I re-made the front portion of my wind screen ( KR 1) out of acrylic, purchased at True Value, used the kitchen oven 300 -350 degrees, a magic marker and no problems "SO FAR". Bill Starrs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 7:05 AM Subject: KR> markers and plexiglas (acrylic) > NetHeads, > > I talked to Troy Petteway last night, who just finished putting the second > of two windshields (in the last few days) into his KR2. He built an oven > and a mold, and made the windshield out of quarter inch acrylic (his old > 1/8" thick windshield deflected at high speed due to the flat shape out in > the middle). He had some pretty sad tales of how he had made one that was > perfect, and used a "Permanent Magic Marker" (not a Sharpie) to mark his cut > lines. He said the thing practically self-destructed before his eyes, with > siderweb cracks going in all directions while he watched! He had another > one completely installed that cracked in several places and had to be cut > out and replaced. Subsequent tests showed that the marker was definitely > the culprit. He now has one in that's doing well, and is thinking about > painting it shortly. I just thought I'd pass this along as something else > to consider if you're brave enough to make your own canopy or windshield. > > So we should see another nice looking KR at the Red Oak in 2003! There's a > picture of his windshield at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/ktp15.jpg and > more details of his plane at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/ktroyp.html if > you want to know more. This was the first plane (of any kind) to fly with > the "new" AS5046 airfoil. > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > --------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:38:38 -0600 To: , "Mark Langford" From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: Re: KR> markers and plexiglas (acrylic) Message-ID: <003701c2a8aa$d580f420$0201a8c0@computer> Todd (Todds Canopys) recommends puting black electrical tape roughly where your cut will be and marking the cut line with a white marker. ED Ed Blocher Santa Rosa Beach, FL eblocher@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 8:05 AM Subject: KR> markers and plexiglas (acrylic) > NetHeads, > > I talked to Troy Petteway last night, who just finished putting the second > of two windshields (in the last few days) into his KR2. He built an oven > and a mold, and made the windshield out of quarter inch acrylic (his old > 1/8" thick windshield deflected at high speed due to the flat shape out in > the middle). He had some pretty sad tales of how he had made one that was > perfect, and used a "Permanent Magic Marker" (not a Sharpie) to mark his cut > lines. He said the thing practically self-destructed before his eyes, with > siderweb cracks going in all directions while he watched! He had another > one completely installed that cracked in several places and had to be cut > out and replaced. Subsequent tests showed that the marker was definitely > the culprit. He now has one in that's doing well, and is thinking about > painting it shortly. I just thought I'd pass this along as something else > to consider if you're brave enough to make your own canopy or windshield. > > So we should see another nice looking KR at the Red Oak in 2003! There's a > picture of his windshield at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/ktp15.jpg and > more details of his plane at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/ktroyp.html if > you want to know more. This was the first plane (of any kind) to fly with > the "new" AS5046 airfoil. > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:14:18 -0800 To: From: "Steve Glover" Subject: KR-2 for Sale Message-ID: <002801c2a842$d977f320$c18afea9@IntelliSpec> ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C2A7FF.CB2C4390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello KR Netter's, I am considering the sale of my KR-2. It is basically ready to fly. It = needs final prime, paint and sign off. It has already been registered = and has a N number. All filling is complete. New interior with a = custom embroidered KR logo will be comlete and installed in the next = couple days. Basic VFR. Great Plains 2180 w/ Ellison Carb. All = accessories, Revmaster oil cooler. Hydraulic disc brakes, wheels pants, = heavy duty tail wheel, custom dual sticks w/ removable passenger stick. = Majority of work was suppervised or inspected by Richard Shirley. He = told me it is probably in the upper 10% of KR's in quality. Am looking for reasonable offers or an idea of what it is worth. I will = be out of town until late Sunday night and will respond to all then. Thanks and Happy Holidays! Steve Glover Rancho Santa Margarita, Ca ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C2A7FF.CB2C4390-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:33:35 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Flymaca711689@aol.com Subject: revflow mounting Message-ID: <113.1c6916f1.2b352cff@aol.com> --part1_113.1c6916f1.2b352cff_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how are you guys mounting it for soport and where at on the body of the carb .the manual shows it mounted right to the intake by clamp and 11/2 hoses but that's just for reference mac --part1_113.1c6916f1.2b352cff_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 08:02:13 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Subject: Re: KR> revflow mounting Message-ID: <20021221.080214.3676.0.klw1953@juno.com> That's exactly how it's mounted, and it works very well. Good luck! On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:33:35 EST Flymaca711689@aol.com writes: > how are you guys mounting it for soport and where at on the body of > the > carb .the manual shows it mounted right to the intake by clamp and > 11/2 > hoses but that's just for reference > > > > > > > > mac > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:20:50 -0700 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: DON WALKER Subject: fiberglass cloth Message-id: <13d5f5142247.14224713d5f5@icomcast.net> I seem to recall someone had quite a bit of fiberglass cloth they were selling at a very good price. I saved the posting/site but unfortunatey seem to have deleted it and cannot remember it at all- anyone able to help? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 03:39:33 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: David Mullins Subject: Re: KR> fiberglass cloth Message-ID: <3E02D745.19835DF7@attbi.com> I believe it was me. But I sold the extra roll I had at the gathering this year. I will not know if I have any more until I finish my wings. -- David Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire http://N323XL.iwarp.com DON WALKER wrote: > I seem to recall someone had quite a bit of fiberglass cloth they were > selling at a very good price. I saved the posting/site but unfortunatey > seem to have deleted it and cannot remember it at all- anyone able to > help? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:34:12 +0000 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR> fiberglass cloth Message-ID: I've got a few hundred yards. Dave mullins and I purchased a bunch together. I got enough extra so I could probably part with some of it. its not as tight a weave as kr cloth but I belive it is 7.5 or 8 oz. Rich Parker Peterborough, NH >From: David Mullins >Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org >To: KRnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: Re: KR> fiberglass cloth >Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 03:39:33 -0500 > >I believe it was me. But I sold the extra roll I had at >the gathering this year. I will not know if I have any >more until I finish my wings. > > >-- >David Mullins >Nashua, New Hampshire >http://N323XL.iwarp.com > > > >DON WALKER wrote: > > > I seem to recall someone had quite a bit of fiberglass cloth they were > > selling at a very good price. I saved the posting/site but unfortunatey > > seem to have deleted it and cannot remember it at all- anyone able to > > help? > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_eliminateviruses_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:47:47 +0000 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR> fiberglass cloth Message-ID: how much per yard did you end up selling yours for? Rich Parker Peterborough, NH richontheroad@hotmail.com >From: David Mullins >Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org >To: KRnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: Re: KR> fiberglass cloth >Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 03:39:33 -0500 > >I believe it was me. But I sold the extra roll I had at >the gathering this year. I will not know if I have any >more until I finish my wings. > > >-- >David Mullins >Nashua, New Hampshire >http://N323XL.iwarp.com > > > >DON WALKER wrote: > > > I seem to recall someone had quite a bit of fiberglass cloth they were > > selling at a very good price. I saved the posting/site but unfortunatey > > seem to have deleted it and cannot remember it at all- anyone able to > > help? > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:06:57 -0600 To: "KRnet" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: project update Message-ID: <03c701c2a8ae$ca0f2040$0100a8c0@TD310> Well, there's good news and bad news. I almost finished my trim tab installation. And then I ripped it out by the guts! It felt kinda nice, actually...rippin' a piece of the plane completely off! Perhaps I'll show you method number 2, ASSuming it works better. Trust me, it HAS to be better than method number 1! Basically, my problem was that I permanently glued the trim tab hinge halves together with excess T-88, and that stuff ain't comin' off without a fight. I did a little worthless token update on how I did my lower wing fillets (which bears an amazing remblence to how I did the top upper wing fillets), if you're just plain bored to tears, at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/fillets.html , just past the upper joints. I should add that I have no idea why these are shaped the way they are, other than that's just the way they turned out, and that's good enough for me. Oscar says the sharp edges just offended my sensibilities, and that's probably pretty close to the truth. One look at this web page should dispell any unfounded rumors that I'm a perfectionist... Mark Langford, See you in IL in 2004..... mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 07:45:44 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Sylvester Stys Subject: vw engine half sealant Message-ID: <3E047088.3483602@worldnet.att.net> I have my Revmaster engine diassembled, cleaned, needed replacement parts layed out on paper towels in my basement workshop and want to get the engine done before Christmas. I've read three publications on case half sealants, but does anyone have a specific best sealant for the vw case. Syl @ETB ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 08:49:10 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: gleone Subject: Re: KR> vw engine half sealant Message-ID: <3E047F66.2A8FA777@tritel.net> --------------0F41F2FFC6D0E7B51D4A6231 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Permatex. Any automotive shop carries it. Sylvester Stys wrote: > I have my Revmaster engine diassembled, cleaned, needed replacement parts > layed out on paper towels in my basement workshop and want to get the > engine done before Christmas. I've read three publications on case half > sealants, but does anyone have a specific best sealant for the vw case. > > Syl @ETB > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files --------------0F41F2FFC6D0E7B51D4A6231-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:55:00 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> vw engine half sealant Message-ID: <002001c2a909$51a1e740$0100a8c0@TD310> > I have my Revmaster engine diassembled, cleaned, needed replacement parts > layed out on paper towels in my basement workshop and want to get the > engine done before Christmas. I've read three publications on case half > sealants, but does anyone have a specific best sealant for the vw case. Yamabond 4, from the Yamaha bike shop, is an excellent one. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:52:48 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: DIRTDOBBER47@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> vw engine (duty dual ignition engine) Message-ID: <12c.1e5c57de.2b35da40@aol.com>
does any one know about the duty engine ?its suppose to te built in NC        
                        wayne

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Yes, I had a Gilbert Duty engine on the Little Beast.  It was an 1835.=20
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Yes, I had a Gilbert Duty engine on the Little Beast.  It = was an 1835.  Check it out thoroughly.  You will not find = Gilbert Duty.  I tried 15 years ago and could not find him.&nbs= p; We found things wrong with the engine and corrected them.  I wish= I could remember exactly what they were, but cannot.
 
The only problem that I had was a cracked case.  I found o= ut that the case he had used was one of the ones that should no= t be used.  I don't remember what the serial numbers were to av= oid, but I'll bet that Bob Hoover of VW fame can te= ll you.
 
One thing we did was to drill and tap the crank on the fro= nt deeper, per instructions from Steve Bennett.
 
 

 

DanRH@KR-Builder.org

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Daniel R= =2E Heath - Lexington, SC

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Date: Saturday, De= cember 21, 2002 06:53:30 AM
Subject: Re: KR>= ; vw engine (duty dual ignition engine)
 
<PRE>does any one know about the duty engine ?its = suppose to te built in NC
wayne

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