From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 29 Jan 2003 01:18:10 -0000 Issue 614 Date: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:19 PM krnet Digest 29 Jan 2003 01:18:10 -0000 Issue 614 Topics (messages 14679 through 14707): Re: Drill size conversion? 14679 by: bill kirkland kr plans 14680 by: ken hall 14682 by: Frank Ross Re: Seat Comfort Study 14681 by: Jim Sellars 14688 by: BSHADR 14700 by: chris gardiner 14705 by: Scott Cable New Member 14683 by: Fran Giroux Re: KR2 seats 14684 by: Dan Heath Re: KR parting out for sale 14685 by: AviationMech.aol.com thanks Frank 14686 by: ken hall 14693 by: Frank Ross Re: A pilgrimage 14687 by: Mark Langford 14689 by: Dana Overall 14690 by: Anthony Underwood 14703 by: Dana Overall Laminated Spar's 14691 by: Anthony Underwood 14695 by: Hokanson, Michael J AM1 (VFA-113) Re: Bent center spars 14692 by: Stephen J Robinson Re: Laminated Spar's/WAR building style 14694 by: Frank Ross Epoxy on wood? 14696 by: Justin 14697 by: Phillip Matheson 14701 by: Ronevogt.aol.com 14702 by: Justin 14707 by: Mark Jones KR1s and in-line engines 14698 by: Daren Cogdon 14704 by: Bill Higdon 14706 by: Frank Ross re epoxy on wood. 14699 by: harold woods Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 00:32:05 -0500 To: From: "bill kirkland" Subject: Re: KR> Drill size conversion? Message-ID: <005101c2c5c5$6e6d9620$eb942a18@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Bolt sizes; There are an3 and an3 precision bolts. The latter are slightly bigger. Look for the dimpled head. Don't have a reamer! Drill one size under before drilling to the nominal size. It's not perfect but will help eliminate most of the eccentricity caused by drill wobble. Hell most machinists don't have a full set of reamers. W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:50 PM Subject: Re: KR> Drill size conversion? Just to set the record streight, our WAFs have been installed for 10 years. I have just had a problem with some AN3 bolts. Some fit a 3/16 hole and some don't. I was looking for a numbered bit that comes close to .188 and there is one that is .190 which should work for those that don't fit a 3/16 hole. N64KR Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Red Oak - 2003 See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org -------Original Message------- From: KRnet@mailinglists.org Date: Saturday, January 25, 2003 04:35:02 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Drill size conversion? I like to keep my WAF nice and loose so the wings flap like a bird, for better lift. Before every one reaches for the flame throwers , I'm just kidding. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 1:22 PM Subject: Re: KR> Drill size conversion? > Dan Heath wrote: > > >>Does anyone know how to convert a decimal size into a numbered drill bit > size? << > > There's a drill size chart at > http://www.carbidedepot.com/formulas-drillsize.htm , but if you really need > a hole sized perfectly, you need a reamer, available at the local machine > shop supply place, or off the web at > http://www.precisionmachinerysupply.com/ or somewhere similar. The only > place I can think of that's that critical on a typical KR is the wing attach > fittings. And you need to measure the actual bolt itself, because there's a > tolerance on those as well. Some are larger than others! > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:24:56 +1100 To: From: "ken hall" Subject: kr plans Message-ID: <003401c2c5ee$59eedd70$1803a8c0@ken3mro7t3of38> ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C2C64A.89BE39E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Ken Hall" To: Subject: Kr Plans Date: Monday, 27 January 2003 9:17 PM Hi All, I have just recently purchased a Kr2 built to boat stage, but I = need a good set of plans, also I've heard that there is a disc with all = the building tips on it. If anyone can put me onto these items I would be gratefull. = Also I suppose I should introduce myself, Ken Hall from Mudgee = Australia, I currently fly a rag and bone ultralight, top speed 65 = knots, single seat, Great for straffing the sheep and cows but a bit = slow for any long trips, esspecially if we have headwinds. I am = considering using the Jabiru 2.2 motor because of its lightweight. thanks for all the info = sofar, Ken Hall ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C2C64A.89BE39E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 06:48:29 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> kr plans Message-ID: <20030127144829.37153.qmail@web40911.mail.yahoo.com> Ken, Welcome to the world of KR. Hopefully you will find a good set of plans close to home, but, if not, you might also try Barnstormers (on the web at: http://www.barnstormers2000.com/). And, if all else fails, new, guaranteed KR plans are available from Rand Robinson at a very reasonable price. Rand Robinson is run by a very lovely lady, Jeanette Rand, widow of Ken Rand, who designed the KR series. It is a small, very honest business. If you send her the money, you have a much better chance of getting a good set of new plans than you might from a stranger in a far-away land, like Texas, for instance. You may contact her at: Rand Robinson Engineering, 7071 Warner Ave, #F, PMB 724 Huntington Beach, CA 92647-5492 (714) 898-3811 Visit her web-site at: http://www.fly-kr.com Of course, you probably already know about Mark Langford’s web-site which has more KR resources than anyone will ever need at: http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/kr2s.html A good place to visit when you need some motivation or instruction. Good luck, Frank Ross in San Antonio, Texas, USA --- ken hall wrote: > Hi All, > I have just recently purchased a Kr2 built > to boat stage, but I need a good set of plans, also .... > thanks for all the info sofar, Ken Hall __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:39:17 -0400 To: , From: "Jim Sellars" Subject: Re: KR> Seat Comfort Study Message-ID: <006b01c2c611$e8bc8d90$0100a8c0@LAPTOP> Chris: Where are you located? I'm out of Havelock field in New Brunswick. Where can you find this foam you think we should buy, I'm interested. Best regards Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris gardiner" To: Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 12:08 PM Subject: Re: KR> Seat Comfort Study > Okay, I feel qualified to give an opinion on this one. > > I have the standard sling seat in my KR2S that I flew for 16 hours to > the KR Gathering in Red Oak last year. All the way from Toronto , Canada > to RDK in the sling seat with a 2" slab of standard foam cushion. > > The sling seat is actually pretty good but it puts a pressure point > right on your tail bone area and I ended up with an actual friction burn. > > My solution is to replace the 2" standard foam with some of the energy > absorbing type ( CONFOR) to help distribute my weight ( 195 -200 lbs) > better, for the long flight again next year to RDK. > This stuff is expensive no matter where you buy it but I believe well > worth it .Your butt will thank you. > > Contact Hi-Tech foams for information ( seatfoam@inetnebr.com)or > www.seatfoam.com > > Regards > > Chris Gardiner > C-GKRZ > > > > Scott Cable wrote: > > >Netters, > >I have some questions in regard to the KR Seat in flying KR's. > > > >I have a hunch from studying the plans, that the plans built "sling" seat looks very unsupportive, and uncomfortable, especially in the lower thigh area. Do your legs and feet fall asleep while in flight? > > > >When flying your KR for long flights, what makes your seat uncomfortable? > >Lack of support? Pressure points? No lumbar support? Lack of adjustment? Are you sitting on some form of foam pad to augment the sling? If so what? > > > > > > > > > >Scott Cable > >KR-2S # 735 > >Livonia, MI > >s2cable1@yahoo.com > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:03:07 -0800 To: From: "BSHADR" Subject: Re: KR> Seat Comfort Study Message-ID: <006401c2c692$ee1e1930$e2e57e18@RMS> Folks: I bought some Temperfoam from Jim & Janice in late 2002. They are good people, have great service and are most honest. It is a Mom & Pop operation, so you can count on straight (hypeless) talk. Their prices were in line with the competition. I highly recommend them. The Temperfoam cuts like butter with an electric carving knife. It is a tad on the heavy side, but pretty cool stuff to play with. It has reasonable burn/smoke numbers (good for piece of mind that you hope to never need). Randy "NetMom" Stein South Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:10:07 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: chris gardiner Cc: clgard@attcanada.ca Subject: Re: KR> Seat Comfort Study Message-ID: <3E370DCF.2030608@attcanada.ca> --------------040301030500060509030003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Your right , Bill. It gets pretty hard when the thermometer approaches freezing but then I'm not much of a winter flyer anyway. Once you sit on it for a few minutes , it warms up okay. Cheers Chris Gardiner bill kirkland wrote: >Chris; Whatch it. I have some of those space age conforming foam cushions. I >understand that they become solid at below freezing temps. But it never >freezes in Oshawa does it! >W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND (now in Tillsonburg) >hhtp : Wkirkland@rogers.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "chris gardiner" >To: >Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:08 AM >Subject: Re: KR> Seat Comfort Study > > >>Okay, I feel qualified to give an opinion on this one. >> >>I have the standard sling seat in my KR2S that I flew for 16 hours to >>the KR Gathering in Red Oak last year. All the way from Toronto , Canada >>to RDK in the sling seat with a 2" slab of standard foam cushion. >> >>The sling seat is actually pretty good but it puts a pressure point >>right on your tail bone area and I ended up with an actual friction burn. >> >>My solution is to replace the 2" standard foam with some of the energy >>absorbing type ( CONFOR) to help distribute my weight ( 195 -200 lbs) >>better, for the long flight again next year to RDK. >>This stuff is expensive no matter where you buy it but I believe well >>worth it .Your butt will thank you. >> >>Contact Hi-Tech foams for information ( seatfoam@inetnebr.com)or >>www.seatfoam.com >> >>Regards >> >>Chris Gardiner >>C-GKRZ >> >> >> >>Scott Cable wrote: >> >>>Netters, >>>I have some questions in regard to the KR Seat in flying KR's. >>> >>>I have a hunch from studying the plans, that the plans built "sling" seat >>> >looks very unsupportive, and uncomfortable, especially in the lower thigh >area. Do your legs and feet fall asleep while in flight? > >>>When flying your KR for long flights, what makes your seat uncomfortable? >>>Lack of support? Pressure points? No lumbar support? Lack of adjustment? >>> >Are you sitting on some form of foam pad to augment the sling? If so what? > >>> >>> >>> >>>Scott Cable >>>KR-2S # 735 >>>Livonia, MI >>>s2cable1@yahoo.com >>> >>> >>>--------------------------------- >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now >>> >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" >> >>To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org >> >>See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >>or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > --------------040301030500060509030003-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:02:49 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org, clgard@attcanada.ca From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: KR> Seat Comfort Study Message-ID: <20030129000249.95828.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1594495829-1043798569=:94767 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OK Netter's, Looks like I have enough data to support my inclination that the KR sling seat is very uncomfortable. Looks like everyone that is using a sling seat is augmenting the seat with foam. Bill Kirkland even reported having "tail-burn". That is one of the biggest NO-NO's in seat design. Onto designing a proper seat for the KR....More details later folks! chris gardiner wrote:Your right , Bill. It gets pretty hard when the thermometer approaches freezing but then I'm not much of a winter flyer anyway. Once you sit on it for a few minutes , it warms up okay. Cheers Chris Gardiner bill kirkland wrote: >Chris; Whatch it. I have some of those space age conforming foam cushions. I >understand that they become solid at below freezing temps. But it never >freezes in Oshawa does it! >W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND (now in Tillsonburg) >hhtp : Wkirkland@rogers.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "chris gardiner" >To: >Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:08 AM >Subject: Re: KR> Seat Comfort Study > > >>Okay, I feel qualified to give an opinion on this one. >> >>I have the standard sling seat in my KR2S that I flew for 16 hours to >>the KR Gathering in Red Oak last year. All the way from Toronto , Canada >>to RDK in the sling seat with a 2" slab of standard foam cushion. >> >>The sling seat is actually pretty good but it puts a pressure point >>right on your tail bone area and I ended up with an actual friction burn. >> >>My solution is to replace the 2" standard foam with some of the energy >>absorbing type ( CONFOR) to help distribute my weight ( 195 -200 lbs) >>better, for the long flight again next year to RDK. >>This stuff is expensive no matter where you buy it but I believe well >>worth it .Your butt will thank you. >> >>Contact Hi-Tech foams for information ( seatfoam@inetnebr.com)or >>www.seatfoam.com >> >>Regards >> >>Chris Gardiner >>C-GKRZ >> >> >> >>Scott Cable wrote: >> >>>Netters, >>>I have some questions in regard to the KR Seat in flying KR's. >>> >>>I have a hunch from studying the plans, that the plans built "sling" seat >>> >looks very unsupportive, and uncomfortable, especially in the lower thigh >area. Do your legs and feet fall asleep while in flight? > >>>When flying your KR for long flights, what makes your seat uncomfortable? >>>Lack of support? Pressure points? No lumbar support? Lack of adjustment? >>> >Are you sitting on some form of foam pad to augment the sling? If so what? > >>> >>> >>> >>>Scott Cable >>>KR-2S # 735 >>>Livonia, MI >>>s2cable1@yahoo.com >>> >>> >>>--------------------------------- >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now >>> >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" >> >>To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org >> >>See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >>or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Livonia, MI s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --0-1594495829-1043798569=:94767-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:41:36 -0500 To: From: "Fran Giroux" Subject: New Member Message-ID: <005201c2c622$f5788820$1002a8c0@franshp> ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C2C5F9.0C23DA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am considering buying a KR2 built in 1986 but would like some advice = about plan changes since then (like landing gear) and I would like to = fly one with someone before I make a decision, and especially before I = just jump in and take off. I live in Glens Falls, New York but am = willing to drive 500 miles to get a ride/stick time. That would be = anywhere from Richmond Virginia to Detroit to Maine. I am willing to = pay for your time. Anyone game? Fran Giroux www.hydrogen-boost.com ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C2C5F9.0C23DA40-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:54:42 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org (E-mail)" From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Fw: KR2 seats Message-Id: <3E360D12.000008.01212@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_6ZQERN00000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Information on the foam from the vendor.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Hi-Tech Foams=0D Date: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:17:27 AM=0D To: danrh@alltel.net=0D Subject: KR2 seats=0D =0D Dear Dan,=0D =0D In most cases we would recommend using a two or three inch cushion. Our=0D standard size 16X18 could be cut in half to get your 16X8 dimension. The=0D three inch cushion consists of one inch of soft (top), one inch of medium= =0D and one inch of firm. This cushion compresses about 1/2 so it would raise= =0D you approximately 1 1/2 inches off the seat pan. It runs $77.50. A two=0D inch cushion (one inch of medium and one inch of firm) 16x18 runs $51.00.= =0D =0D We do accept Visa and MasterCard but do not have a secured line to accept= =0D via the Internet at this time. If you would e-mail us a good time to reac= h=0D you and your=0D phone number we will return your call or you may phone us at 402-470-2346= =2E=0D =0D Thanks for stopping at our web site http://www.seatfoam.com=0D =0D Sincerely,=0D J Fix=0D =0D ----- Original Message -----=0D From: =0D To: =0D Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 12:25 PM=0D Subject: WWW Form Submission=0D =0D =0D > Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by=0D > (danrh@alltel.net) on Saturday, January 25, 2003 at 12:25:24=0D > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---=0D -=0D >=0D > Application Request: I have a KR2 with a flat seat back where I would l= ike=0D to use your foam for each person individually. I have custom made seats=0D that have a flat hard surface where you actually sit. That area is about=0D 16" X 8" each side. I am not sure if I want to put anything under the leg= s=0D or not.=0D >=0D > name: Dan Heath=0D >=0D > Submit: Submit=0D >=0D > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---=0D -=0D >=0D >=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_6ZQERN00000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:25:47 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> KR parting out for sale Message-ID: <19c.fff1cf2.2b67523b@aol.com> --part1_19c.fff1cf2.2b67523b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/18/2003 1:37:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, ImGoneFlyin@msn.com writes: > IT has a powerful VW engine and three blade electric Ivoprop. > imgoneflyin@msn.com > How much for the IVO prop AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech --part1_19c.fff1cf2.2b67523b_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:41:57 +1100 To: From: "ken hall" Subject: thanks Frank Message-ID: <001101c2c67f$36d0b930$1803a8c0@ken3mro7t3of38> ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2C6DB.688DB4D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Frank, I'll take your advice. Hope I'll be able to return the = favour sometime. thanks again Ken Hall ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2C6DB.688DB4D0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 07:43:19 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> thanks Frank Message-ID: <20030128154319.44319.qmail@web40904.mail.yahoo.com> No worries, Mate, --- ken hall wrote: > Thanks Frank, I'll take your advice. Hope I'll be > able to return the favour sometime. > > > thanks > again Ken Hall __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:54:21 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> A pilgrimage Message-ID: <023601c2c680$f160c640$0802a8c0@TD310> OK, I just cleaned up the basement. I'm ready for company. Bring on as many as you want. All visitors are welcome. Besides, DANA's doing the cooking! If anybody wants to fly in to MDQ (if that's what it's called these days) we can probably find a volunteer to come get ya. Or we could pick a time when two or three folks could fly in and we'll only have to make one trip. Then again, it may be pouring down rain anyway, who knows. I suppose we should get a head count, so let me know if you think you'll be here. I'm sorta lookin' forward to this, so the more the merrier. Feb 8th. Map is at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/296map.pdf . Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 06:44:30 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> A pilgrimage Message-ID: It looks like I am picking up some KR scragler along the way hitchhiking somewhere around Knoxville. He said I should be able to recognize him by the epoxy rash on his face and the sanding dust covering his cloths. Seriously, I am stopping in Knox. to look at another KR project and then we are going to carpool to Huntsville. Mark you calenders gang, this will be a good time.......Feb. 8 at Langford Manor. Cooking.....yea right..........I got the bag of chips:-) Just be working on your airplane lies............"there was this one time I was flying a twin, night, IFR, single engine, inverted when I.................." Dana Overall Richmond, KY 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:20:30 -0500 To: "'KRnet@mailinglists.org'" From: Anthony Underwood Subject: RE: KR> A pilgrimage Message-ID: <01C2C6A6.24EBD020.xbs4fiverivers@xrxgsn.com> Dana,why don't you stop in Morristown,it's about 40 miles from Ktown,we have some neat stuff to look at too. Anthony -----Original Message----- From: Dana Overall [SMTP:bo124rs@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 6:45 AM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> A pilgrimage It looks like I am picking up some KR scragler along the way hitchhiking somewhere around Knoxville. He said I should be able to recognize him by the epoxy rash on his face and the sanding dust covering his cloths. Seriously, I am stopping in Knox. to look at another KR project and then we are going to carpool to Huntsville. Mark you calenders gang, this will be a good time.......Feb. 8 at Langford Manor. Cooking.....yea right..........I got the bag of chips:-) Just be working on your airplane lies............"there was this one time I was flying a twin, night, IFR, single engine, inverted when I.................." Dana Overall Richmond, KY 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:59:09 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RE: KR> A pilgrimage Message-ID: From: Anthony Underwood > Dana,why don't you stop in Morristown,it's about 40 miles from >Ktown,we have some neat stuff to look at too. Anthony If I stop again Mark may not have the drawbridge down at Langford Manor upon our arrival to the holy land (only kidding gang, don't flame......pleeeeeeease). Better idea:-), why don't you pack up some pictures and join the caravan to Huntsville. If you are 40 miles from Knoxville, that puts you a lot closer to Huntsville than me. Dana Overall Richmond, KY 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive >From: Anthony Underwood > Dana,why don't you stop in Morristown,it's about 40 miles from >Ktown,we have some neat stuff to look at too. Anthony _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:59:27 -0500 To: "'KRnet@mailinglists.org'" From: Anthony Underwood Subject: Laminated Spar's Message-ID: <01C2C6AB.933F4660.xbs4fiverivers@xrxgsn.com> Mark and the other guy who was asking about laminated spar's. I went and dug out my War Aircraft Repicla plans and they use bent laminated spars. The spar caps are 4 layers of half inch spruce with seprators kinda like what we use, but different. Faced with two layers of 3/32 plywood. The spar is bent in the middle. It's formed on the work table with blocks of wood that are laid out on fullsize plans.Now this is for the front center spar, and it works on all thier planes except the F-4U which of corse is different.Thes are fairley nice plans which are all full size, sure would be nice if we had plans like that.If you want to know more haler before i put'em back up. Anthony ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:42:31 +0600 To: "'KRnet@mailinglists.org'" From: "Hokanson, Michael J AM1 (VFA-113)" Subject: RE: KR> Laminated Spar's Message-ID: Speaking of War Replica plans... I have a set of the F4U Corsair plans as well as the laminated wing spar and other parts. When I bought the pieces, the spar was already done. Multi-layered laminated spar looks to be extremely strong. Sits in the shop awaiting a motivated individual. KR will come first. Who knows if I'll ever get around to it, but it looks fun. Mike Hokanson Onboard USS Abraham Lioncoln -----Original Message----- From: Anthony Underwood [mailto:xbs4fiverivers@xrxgsn.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:59 To: 'KRnet@mailinglists.org' Subject: KR> Laminated Spar's Mark and the other guy who was asking about laminated spar's. I went and dug out my War Aircraft Repicla plans and they use bent laminated spars. The spar caps are 4 layers of half inch spruce with seprators kinda like what we use, but different. Faced with two layers of 3/32 plywood. The spar is bent in the middle. It's formed on the work table with blocks of wood that are laid out on fullsize plans.Now this is for the front center spar, and it works on all thier planes except the F-4U which of corse is different.Thes are fairley nice plans which are all full size, sure would be nice if we had plans like that.If you want to know more haler before i put'em back up. Anthony --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:18:45 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Stephen J Robinson Subject: Re: KR> Bent center spars Message-ID: <20030128.095234.-406891.0.sjrobinson2@juno.com> Leigh, I'm building my KR-2S with the center wing stub bent at the very center. Used about half dozen or more thin Sitka Spruce pieces laminated with T-88 for both upper and lower, fore and aft spars, then covered over with the prescribed Aircraft grade plywood. I would say it definitely is stronger than conventional construction. The front spar just rests on the bottom of the aircraft bottom plywood and just clears the 5/8" longerons at either side. Plan to build the outer wing panels as a straight extension and not have that break shown in the original drawing 'tween center and outer wings. KISS, as far as trying to achieve two bends. Steve Robinson On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:26:01 -0500 "Leigh Plymale" writes: > I am very interested in the bent type spars.First is their just 1 > bend, in the center, or are both ends bent up to maintain a flat > fuse bottom? Also I assume they are laminated form thinner spar > stock so that the pieces can be deformed. Does this produce a > stronger spar as is the case with most laminates? > > Leigh Plymale > FlyBoy232@adelphia.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 07:55:00 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Laminated Spar's/WAR building style Message-ID: <20030128155500.71600.qmail@web40905.mail.yahoo.com> Anthony, What WAR plans do you have? I have pieces of about three corsair plan sets. All are brittle and tear REAL easy when you try to unroll them. One of the big draw-backs of the 'Full size' plans. Here are some web-sites that have excellent information and photos of the WAR planes under construction, including laminated, curved spars. WAR FW-190 half scale http://www.warfw190.homestead.com/index.html WAR Corsair F4U half Scale http://corsairhalfscale.homestead.com/f4u.html Bill Stevens Memorial “War Buddies” Site: http://warbuddies.homestead.com/index.html WAR Newsletter ZIP file: http://corsairhalfscale.homestead.com/OLDWARcatalog.html It should be noted that the WAR designs copied heavily from the KR designs and were significantly heavier. A lot of this weight is in the wings and landing gear design (a LOT of heavy hard-ware) and the fact that they use 3/4 in instead of 5/8 in wood for longerons and cross-pieces. A good example of how effective was Ken Rand's original design. The WAR planes soon had to give up any hope of flying with VWs and went to 0-200 or other 100 hp engines. EXCELLENT platform for Corvair! Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, USA --- Anthony Underwood wrote: > Mark and the other guy who was asking about > laminated spar's. I > went and dug out my War Aircraft Repicla plans and > they use bent laminated > spars. The spar caps are 4 layers of half inch .... > Thes are fairley nice plans which are all > full size, sure would > be nice if we had plans like that.If you want to > know more haler before i > put'em back up. Anthony __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:36:45 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Justin Subject: Epoxy on wood? Message-ID: <3E36957D.9020804@socal.rr.com> Does anyone put a special epoxy or some sort of sealer on the wood in the KR? A hanger buddy is building an Air Camper and put some special epoxy resin on his plane after the wood work was complete. Justin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 08:24:18 +1100 To: From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Epoxy on wood? Message-ID: <009701c2c713$9e6c5100$0697dccb@Matheson> "Everseal"Epoxy works very well, Just like water, soaks straight in, than use a 2nd coat. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 See our engines at: http://www.vw-engines.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:32:15 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Ronevogt@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Epoxy on wood? Message-ID: <60.2c96ad0b.2b686cff@aol.com> --part1_60.2c96ad0b.2b686cff_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Justin; I've come across a rebuildable Corvair engine. Are you interested? $200. RV --part1_60.2c96ad0b.2b686cff_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:51:45 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Justin Subject: Re: KR> Epoxy on wood? Message-ID: <3E36FB71.2060706@socal.rr.com> Yeah im intrested. Are all the parts there to make it run? Another thing that I woudl need to knwo is what model it is. I plan to bore it out to an O-190 which requires the higher HP engine. I beleve it has to be a 1964-1969 engine. Is the KR flying??? Im almost doen with the second fuselage side but i have jigged up the first side and it looks nice. I used homedepot exter plywood on the outside and ran some tests on it, someone in my EAA chapter completly goes against this after the test. I think it held up great but if you take a knife to it after it has been sitting in boiling water for 2 days it's top layer comes off alittle on the easy side. You cant peel it using hands but only a knife. I am not making another side over what this test tells me, im simply just covering it with fiberglass cloth as I planned to do anyways. I read up some things on the Subaru EA-81 engine, they were having problems with them lasting long. I guess if you run them at 5600RPM all day for cruise they will only last 200hours. When backed off to 4500 no more problems, just something to consiter. Justin http://n116jw.topcities.com/ Ronevogt@aol.com wrote: >Justin; > I've come across a rebuildable Corvair engine. Are you interested? >$200. > >RV > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 19:18:57 -0600 To: From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Epoxy on wood? Message-ID: <008601c2c734$65fcfa60$cc561f41@wi.rr.com> Justin Ronevogt@aol.com wrote: Im almost doen with the second fuselage side but i have jigged up > the first side and it looks nice. I used homedepot exter plywood on the > outside.... >> You did what??? The plywood you get at Home Depot is far inferior to AIRCRAFT GRADE PLYWOOD. What about the weight? Is it 3/32? What type wood is it? I know some of you guys like to save money and cut corners but remember...your life depends on how you build your plane. Justin...you need to re-think this decision.... Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:20:48 +0000 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Daren Cogdon" Subject: KR1s and in-line engines Message-ID: Hi all Does anyone know if a KR1/KR2 has been fitted with an inline engine? And if so, what kind? Daz _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://messenger.msn.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:01:59 -0800 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Bill Higdon Subject: Re: KR> KR1s and in-line engines Message-ID: <3E3719F7.9050809@attbi.com> Daz, There is a KR-1 in fitted with a Walter Mikron of 65 hp, I beleive it's in South Africa, and still flying strong. The Mikron is available again in the USA Bill Higdon Daren Cogdon wrote: > > > > Hi all > > Does anyone know if a KR1/KR2 has been fitted with an inline engine? > And if so, what kind? > > Daz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:29:02 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> KR1s and in-line engines Message-ID: <20030129002902.52383.qmail@web40907.mail.yahoo.com> Daren, Jim Sellars in Canada had a Saturn engine in a KR-2 and flying. Landed (sort of) in a swamp after clogged fuel line shut off the engine. I believe it was a four cylinder engine, but not sure. Anyway, he was on the net and may answer you if his computer is not frozen. Where in the world are you located? Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX --- Daren Cogdon wrote: > Hi all > > Does anyone know if a KR1/KR2 has been fitted with > an inline engine? And if > so, what kind? > > Daz __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:41:22 -0500 To: From: "harold woods" Subject: re epoxy on wood. Message-ID: <003c01c2c71e$6233bf60$03000004@baol.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C2C6F4.7900A340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you want to encapsulate or seal the wood with epoxy use your = laminating epoxy that you are using on your fibreglass. The thinner the = epoxy that you are using the deeper the penetration. As a sealer it does = not have to penetrate too far. Using thinned epoxy (with acetone) may = give you good penetration but after the epoxy hardens and the acetone diffuses out you can be sure that the epoxy is = porous.Thus water can diffuse in. Bad scene. So I suggest that regular laminating epoxy should be used as a sealer. = Epoxy can be thinned with a reactive dilutant (up to 10%) The dilutant = does not diffuse out of the epoxy as it hardens, thus it is not porous. These are just my thoughts on the matter. Harold Woods Orillia, ON.=20 Canada. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 1/21/03 ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C2C6F4.7900A340-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************