From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 2 Feb 2003 20:38:45 -0000 Issue 620 Date: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:39 PM krnet Digest 2 Feb 2003 20:38:45 -0000 Issue 620 Topics (messages 14815 through 14843): Re: KR-2 Aileron plans 14815 by: Phillip Matheson Re: All fiberglass KR? 14816 by: Dan Heath 14818 by: Ron Freiberger For Sale 14817 by: gleone Wood test results/ plywood 14819 by: Tracy & Carol O'Brien KR wing spar 14820 by: kevin Saving emails 14821 by: John and Janet Martindale Re: Changing incidence on RAF48 14822 by: Ron Eason 14824 by: Bob 14825 by: Dana Overall 14827 by: Dana Overall 14828 by: Robert Stone Re: Is there an easy way to take the wings off? 14823 by: Phillip Matheson 14826 by: Margiandrick.aol.com Re: KR1s and in-line engines 14829 by: Rick Wilson My condolonces 14830 by: Eduardo José Jankosz 14831 by: wstarrs 14832 by: Ron Eason KR-2 ? 14833 by: Mark Jones 14838 by: Louis Staalberg Update 14834 by: Mark Jones 14839 by: Dan Heath Re: Science project... 14835 by: Lee Van Dyke 14837 by: Mark Langford 14841 by: Ron Freiberger Re: your help needed 14836 by: Lee Van Dyke 14842 by: Ron Freiberger Copperstate KR-2 ? 14840 by: Frank Ross Deihl, Main Spars 14843 by: Phillip Matheson Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 09:48:12 +1100 To: From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> KR-2 Aileron plans Message-ID: <001e01c2c97a$d9d05f20$0100a8c0@barry> I noticed that no has answered you yet. I'm playing with aileron controls at the moment, and I have the moulded wing skins. The aileron plans are the same as the KR plans. Have a look at the site below and down load the instructions, hope this helps PS you are aloud to put your name on your e-mails http://diehlaero.com/index.htm http://diehlaero.com/wings.htm Phil Matheson. Australia. matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 NSW Australia. See our VW engines at; www.vw-engines.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 9:34 AM Subject: KR> KR-2 Aileron plans > > > Sirs; > Can anyone supply me with copies of aileron plans. I have Dan > Diehl > wing skins > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:52:45 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> All fiberglass KR? Message-Id: <3E3B286D.000004.01160@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_X7XLBHK0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I probably should not say this, but it is Friday, isn't it. I have seen pictures of a glass KR, but I have never seen one fly, nor have I even se= en pictures of a "completed" all glass KR.=0D =0D Maybe there is a message in that, I don't know.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Friday, January 31, 2003 07:11:45 AM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: Re: KR> All fiberglass KR?=0D =0D Justin,=0D Check out Langford's site : http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/ebarros=0D There are pictures of Edwardo Barros' Argintinian KR2S. Edwardo used a CA= D system to design the changes he made on his aircraft. Edwardo is a very skilled and talented craftsman, and the quality of his work is obvious.=0D I would suspect that in order to accomplish this same feat, you would at least need the same amount of tools in your "toolbox". Meaning, do you ha= ve a CAD system on your computer or access to the same? Do you have a great deal of experience with fiberglass? If the honest answer is no, then I wo= uld encourage you again to stick to the plans/builder's manual. =0D My best advise to you my friend is this: Save your money, buy as many premolded / prefabricated parts as you can. This actually saves money and time. The quality of the parts are also undisputed.=0D Stick to the plans, seek the advise of your fellow KR builders in regards= to assembly and build techniques.=0D Pay strict attention to detail.=0D Read, Read, Read, as much as you can, and get as much information as you = can stand about building an aircraft, and aircraft building techniques.=0D Seek the advise of an EAA Mentor, or someone in your local area that is familiar with how to build an aircraft to help you and guide you. =0D What will be the end result?=0D You will have air beneath your landing gear faster than you could ever dr= eam and your craft will be airworthy and safe. =0D =0D Justin wrote:Has anyone seen an all fiberglass KR2?= I was just thinking what it woudl =0D be like to put the top and bottom longerons in and foam the entire =0D inside, then glass it. I know it would be tons of extra work to make cut = =0D outs etc... and proubly a complete redeisgn but I bet it would be stronge= r?=0D =0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =0D Scott Cable=0D KR-2S # 735=0D Livonia, MI=0D s2cable1@yahoo.com=0D =0D =0D ---------------------------------=0D Do you Yahoo!?=0D Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --------------Boundary-00=_X7XLBHK0000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:08:17 -0500 To: From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> All fiberglass KR? Message-ID: Why build it stronger? Why use longerons? Don't call it a KR. Maybe equally strong but lighter? Ron Freiberger mailto:rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:00:33 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: gleone Subject: For Sale Message-ID: <3E3AF201.F6CEF915@tritel.net> --------------004A1426DE0459F93A4814CD Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------1257458593DA093F2DF71877" --------------1257458593DA093F2DF71877 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's Friday and "sale day". Well, this IS associated with flying and my KR project. I am supplementing my financing of my KR through book sales of Nuke 'em Twice for Granny. . .or. . .Peace is Our Profession. . .War is Just a Hobby. I have several free chapters available at the web site and links to purchase the eBook ($5 download and $10 on CD-ROM). The web site is: www.tctwest.net/~gleone I'll put on my Nomex flight suit now. Gene --------------1257458593DA093F2DF71877 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's Friday and "sale day".  Well, this IS associated with flying and my KR project.  I am supplementing my financing of my KR through book sales of Nuke 'em Twice for Granny. . .or. . .Peace is Our Profession. . .War is Just a Hobby.  I have several free chapters available at the web site and links to purchase the eBook ($5 download and $10 on CD-ROM).  The web site is:
www.tctwest.net/~gleone  I'll put on my Nomex flight suit now.  Gene
 
  --------------1257458593DA093F2DF71877-- --------------004A1426DE0459F93A4814CD-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:00:10 -0800 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Tracy & Carol O'Brien Subject: Wood test results/ plywood Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20030131170010.008c4430@localaccess.com> Justin & Netters, I would suggest checking into Okoume marine plywood: I've used it for years in boatbuilding. It is being sold currently by Aircraft Spruce and it is specified for use in the One Design kits. Edensaw Woods in Port Townsend, WA has it in at least 2 certified grades in 1/16", 1/8", 3/16", 1/4", 3/8", etc. Their 1/8" panels are about 1/2 the cost of ACS. Contact Edensaw Woods at 800-745-3336 Regards, Tracy O'Brien See my stuff at www.tracyobrien.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 20:00:23 -0600 To: From: "kevin" Subject: KR wing spar Message-ID: <000e01c2c995$afa484e0$d7373a41@hppav> ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2C963.63D2CD60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone built a KR-1 with a one piece wing? Do you think I could = save some weight, and make it stronger being one piece? Kevin. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2C963.63D2CD60-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 13:47:16 +1100 To: "KRnet" From: "John and Janet Martindale" Subject: Saving emails Message-ID: <01ae01c2c99c$b5130940$eede12d2@m1g0x7> ------=_NextPart_000_01AB_01C2C9F8.6E9005C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks I'm in the process of saving last years KR-net digests as text files = that I can search with a word processer. Can anyone please advise how a = block of selected .eml files in my inbox (Outlook Express) can be saved = en masse to another location as .txt files? I can do them one by one but = a mass save would be much much easier, however, the "Save As" command = greys out when more than one file is selected. If I can accomplish this = it will spare me the need and cost to log on to the net to search using = our normal procedures as mentioned at the bottom of the digests.=20 John and Janet Martindale 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA ph: 61 2 6658 4767 email: johnjane@chc.net.au ------=_NextPart_000_01AB_01C2C9F8.6E9005C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:10:47 -0600 To: From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Changing incidence on RAF48 Message-ID: <006c01c2c99f$844bfa30$6501a8c0@Administration> Good analysis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Blankenship" To: Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:18 AM Subject: Re: KR> Changing incidence on RAF48 > Carlton > > The wing always flies at angles needed to keep the craft in the air for the given weights and speeds. Slower or heavier means the wing flies at higher angles than faster or lighter. So if the wing is mounted at a reduced incidence angle from plans, then the nose of the plane has to point upward to get the wing up and make up the difference. > > If your wing incidence is lower than plans, your visibility over nose will be reduced, particularly at slower speeds such as during landing or take off. In cruising flight, an extremely heavy KR will appear to fly nose up relative to a much lighter KR flying along side if both have the same wing mounting incidence. Small variations from plans may not matter too much, OR they can be compounded with other variations to cause undesirable results related to trimming the plane in flight. > > If the last builder modified the wing from plans, it is possible they changed their mind and decided that may not have been the best thing to do, but didn't want to put the work into correcting it. Your decision to remount the wing per plans sounds like the advisable thing to do. > > If it's a matter of just separating the wing spars from the fuselage, it's not a hard task. I did it once. You just saw the joint between the spar faces and mounting frames with a long, wide, serrated knife, then remount the spar. Once you get the knife between the surfaces, you can put something protective between the knife and the spar as you saw. Wood is easy to work with. > > As far as washout is concerned, it's best to stick with what's stated in your plans. Regarding the tail incidence, however, you may want to gather feedback from other builders who fly their KR. Someone may eventually be able to provide convincing evidence that they modified the tail incidence an gle to trim the aircraft satisfactorily for a similar gross weight range, fuselage length, and stabilizer dimensions as yours will have. Other than that, the plans are your best reference. > > One last item: If the previous builder made the main or aft wing spar dimensions smaller than plans to fit the airfoil over the spars, you would probably be best off biting the bullet and rebuilding the wing from scratch. Hopefully, that won't be necessary, and remounting the wing should be fairly simple. > > Good luck and happy building, > > --Don Blankenship > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carlton" > Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 00:34:18 -0000 > To: > Subject: KR> Changing incidence on RAF48 > > > Greetings KRnetters, > > I'm busy rebuilding a KR1 that was originally fitted with an laminar airfoil > > (44" cord) for which I do not have any specifications. I'm planning on > > returning to the original RAF48 but will need to lift the airfoil 1" at the > > rear spar for it to fit over both spars. Unfortunately I cann't lower the > > rear spar as it already rests on the lower longeron > > If I go this route the wing will only have an incidence of 1.5degrees. > > Questions: > > - How will this affect take-off and landings? > > - What must the washout be set at? > > - How many degrees must the tail incidence be set at? > > > > PS. The main spare has been installed 1" lower, to install per the plans > > I'll need to break the main spar from the boat and move it up 1". I'm > > reluctant to do this as the spar is well glued in and damage to the boat is > > inevitable. > > > > Any other ideas? > > > > Thnks > > Carlton Blandford > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > -- > __________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 05:00:09 -0000 To: "KRnet \(E-mail\)" From: "Bob" Subject: Re: KR> Changing incidence on RAF48 Message-ID: <000801c2c9ae$cd15ddd0$280c0b0a@bubba9> Netheads, Engineering is simply choosing the most or least of the various options presented in a given situation. I have looked into the issue of wing incidence and concluded that a plans built KR2 wing is set up to operate most efficiently between 100 and 130 mph. As cruise speeds on KRs approach 200 mph there is more wing incidence than required. This causes the fuselage to be set at a negative angle during cruise for the wing to be at the angle to provide the proper lift coefficient. Depending on your particular KR this might increase or reduce drag from the fuselage and tail. The major reason to work with the wing incidence is to minimize drag at a particular flight condition. In my case I favored optimization for the cruise condition which required a change from the plans specified values of wing incidence and twist. The important factor here is to realize that the plans are not wrong. Ken simply set up his KRs to be optimized at a slower speed than I want to set up mine for. It says experimental and I want to experiment differently than Ken did. If you've got your flame thrower locked and loaded, forget it. I didn't say we all have to do it the same. I'm just expressing the thought process that lead to my decision to select a different wing incidence and wash out angle for my particular aircraft. My wing documentation web page, http://flyboybob.com/web_pages/kr2/airframe/wing_documentation.htm, has three links that might be of interest to you on this subject. http://flyboybob.com/kr2/wing02.doc describes how I derived the whole wing lift coefficient considering taper and twist of the wing. http://flyboybob.com/kr2/wing03.doc describes how I selected the wing incidence angle. http://flyboybob.com/kr2/wing01.htm describes how I set up the spars for the proper wing incidence angle. This was done for the AS5046 airfoil but the process would be the same for the RAF48, only the lift curve and drag values would be slightly different. Everything I say could be wrong, but it is my current opinion which is subject to change without notice. Cheers, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA USA 91% done only 51% to go! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 07:27:36 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> Changing incidence on RAF48 Message-ID: The ol KR helo Heuy effect can be seen on any KR in level flight with the plans built incidence. Don's explaination is true to point but there are some factors to be considered on the KR . I believe the plans call for 3.5 degrees which several analysis determined to be too much decalauge (sp) between the incidence and placement of the horizontal stab. The two original "designers" of the KR started with over 5 degrees but throught that was too much so they just moved it until it seemed right to them and went with it. That came from the horses mouth. I believe Mark has a nice analysis posted on his web site. I certainly won't go into what is better, sexier, trusted or flown. Numerous people have raised that aft spar to raise the nose in level flight and several people have left it alone and the plane has flown. Several of the old timers have told me personally that they all knew the incidence was too much and it was a standard thing to raise the aft spar "a little". All I'm saying is you would not be walking down a path for the first time, it is well travelled. I satified myself that this change produced less drag due to less required downforce on the horizontal stab. Here's the way I interpreted the research. The relationship between the incidence of the wing the the placement of the horiztonal stab produces an equilibrium enabling level flight. If the incidence of the wing is too much the center of lift of the wing is pointed too far forward of vertical in level flight. Now, it must point forward some as a vertical lift component in relation to level flight would produce an unstable equilibrium effect. If the center of lift is in fact too far forward, a direct byproduct of too much incidence, the horizontal stab must produce more downforce, thereby increasing induced or even form drag. As this equilibrium is found, a wing with too much incidence points the nose down too much thereby exposing more area of the airplane to the prevailing wind. Once again, even more form drag. I would not recommend anyone doing the same without satifying your own misgivings. I'm not recommending either way, just some rambling thoughts before I take on that dreaded proseal as I start sealing my right fuel tank in about an hour. Now leaving a forward spar elevated.......I think I'd be doing something about that. It is easy to move a spar, just the way Don posted. I'd be calling the previous builder and find out just what the heck was the thinking behind the spar placement. OH NO, a change from plans has been used:-) At least I'm not talking about boiling wood, hot melt glue, rattle can painting, or prop bolt torques. Those are real flamers. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive >From: "Bob" >Reply-To: >To: "KRnet \(E-mail\)" >Subject: Re: KR> Changing incidence on RAF48 >Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 05:00:09 -0000 > >Netheads, > >Engineering is simply choosing the most or least of the various options >presented in a given situation. I have looked into the issue of wing >incidence and concluded that a plans built KR2 wing is set up to operate >most efficiently between 100 and 130 mph. As cruise speeds on KRs approach >200 mph there is more wing incidence than required. This causes the >fuselage to be set at a negative angle during cruise for the wing to be at >the angle to provide the proper lift coefficient. Depending on your >particular KR this might increase or reduce drag from the fuselage and >tail. >The major reason to work with the wing incidence is to minimize drag at a >particular flight condition. In my case I favored optimization for the >cruise condition which required a change from the plans specified values of >wing incidence and twist. The important factor here is to realize that the >plans are not wrong. Ken simply set up his KRs to be optimized at a slower >speed than I want to set up mine for. It says experimental and I want to >experiment differently than Ken did. If you've got your flame thrower >locked and loaded, forget it. I didn't say we all have to do it the same. >I'm just expressing the thought process that lead to my decision to select >a >different wing incidence and wash out angle for my particular aircraft. My >wing documentation web page, >http://flyboybob.com/web_pages/kr2/airframe/wing_documentation.htm, has >three links that might be of interest to you on this subject. >http://flyboybob.com/kr2/wing02.doc describes how I derived the whole wing >lift coefficient considering taper and twist of the wing. >http://flyboybob.com/kr2/wing03.doc describes how I selected the wing >incidence angle. http://flyboybob.com/kr2/wing01.htm describes how I set >up the spars for the proper wing incidence angle. This was done for the >AS5046 airfoil but the process would be the same for the RAF48, only the >lift curve and drag values would be slightly different. Everything I say >could be wrong, but it is my current opinion which is subject to change >without notice. > >Cheers, > >Bob Lee >N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA USA >91% done only 51% to go! > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 08:02:47 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> Changing incidence on RAF48 Message-ID: While standing in the shower and overcome by that second cup of coffee, I realized I used some terms rather loosely in that last post. The basic premise of my post is a wing and horizontal stab will seek a point of equilibrium. The HS will work to offset a portion of the vertical component of lift generated from the center of lift of the wing. A wing that has too much incidence will force the HS to generate more downforce, thereby more drag. There are centerly tradeoffs and no offset is not an option. Too much is too much, and too little is too little....you make the decision. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering Richmond, KY http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 07:25:35 -0600 To: , From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Changing incidence on RAF48 Message-ID: <001301c2c9f5$6785fd00$05d81a18@hot.rr.com> Bob, I'm not an engineer but it just makes sense to me that if Ken designed the original KR-2 with a angle of incidence of 3.5 for a speed of 100 to 130 MPH then the incidence for KR-2's and KR-2s's with a more powerful engine and a matching prop expected to go faster like 200+ should have less angle of incidence like maybe 2.0 and progressively less for higher speeds. They could also have less wing like the airliners of today that fly at speeds in excess of 600 MPH have a wing that to me does not look like it's enough to hold up such a large aircraft at any speed. The short of it is, I agree with what you say 100 %. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: "KRnet (E-mail)" Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:00 PM Subject: Re: KR> Changing incidence on RAF48 > Netheads, > > Engineering is simply choosing the most or least of the various options > presented in a given situation. I have looked into the issue of wing > incidence and concluded that a plans built KR2 wing is set up to operate > most efficiently between 100 and 130 mph. As cruise speeds on KRs approach > 200 mph there is more wing incidence than required. This causes the > fuselage to be set at a negative angle during cruise for the wing to be at > the angle to provide the proper lift coefficient. Depending on your > particular KR this might increase or reduce drag from the fuselage and tail. > The major reason to work with the wing incidence is to minimize drag at a > particular flight condition. In my case I favored optimization for the > cruise condition which required a change from the plans specified values of > wing incidence and twist. The important factor here is to realize that the > plans are not wrong. Ken simply set up his KRs to be optimized at a slower > speed than I want to set up mine for. It says experimental and I want to > experiment differently than Ken did. If you've got your flame thrower > locked and loaded, forget it. I didn't say we all have to do it the same. > I'm just expressing the thought process that lead to my decision to select a > different wing incidence and wash out angle for my particular aircraft. My > wing documentation web page, > http://flyboybob.com/web_pages/kr2/airframe/wing_documentation.htm, has > three links that might be of interest to you on this subject. > http://flyboybob.com/kr2/wing02.doc describes how I derived the whole wing > lift coefficient considering taper and twist of the wing. > http://flyboybob.com/kr2/wing03.doc describes how I selected the wing > incidence angle. http://flyboybob.com/kr2/wing01.htm describes how I set > up the spars for the proper wing incidence angle. This was done for the > AS5046 airfoil but the process would be the same for the RAF48, only the > lift curve and drag values would be slightly different. Everything I say > could be wrong, but it is my current opinion which is subject to change > without notice. > > Cheers, > > Bob Lee > N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA USA > 91% done only 51% to go! > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 19:25:16 +1100 To: From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Is there an easy way to take the wings off? Message-ID: <003301c2c9cb$73d0c100$f696dccb@Matheson> I would like to see the folding wing plans if possible. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 See our engines at: http://www.vw-engines.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 07:51:20 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Margiandrick@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Is there an easy way to take the wings off? Message-ID: <5a.17260f06.2b6d1cc8@aol.com> --part1_5a.17260f06.2b6d1cc8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You'll need to contact: RW Moore < rwmoore@alltel.net> His address looks like: POBOX 622 Toccoa,Ga 30577 His plans are a little steep 99.50 . Good luck Rick --part1_5a.17260f06.2b6d1cc8_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 07:50:25 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Rick Wilson Subject: Re: KR> KR1s and in-line engines Message-ID: <20030201155025.56877.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> Bob, How did you first become aware that your glue joints were weak or about to fail? Rick Wilson. rwdw2002@yahoo.com --- "Robert X. Cringely" wrote: > I have a Walter Mikron III engine that I bought to > put in my KR-1. > That was before my 25 year-old Aerolite glue joints > began to fail. I > have since scrapped that plane and will soon be > building a new one > with the Walter engine. I will be using the new > airfoil with a > laminated one-piece spar (no wing attach fittings), > though the > dihedral break will be in the traditional position, > not inside the > fuselage. The will allow me a 90 degree attachment > to the fuselage, > which is supposed to have less interference drag, > and the stresses at > the break should also be lower. > > The Mikron is a jewel of an engine. Mine is an > older rebuild I > bought in Eastern Europe, not the new production you > can buy through > Moravia. The new engines are better still, but mine > is fine. I'll > be replacing the carburetor with an Ellison because > they've done very > well on Tigre engines and Gypsy Majors, which are > just Walters all > grown up. I will also be replacing the magnetos > with a dual > electronic system from Klaus Savier because that > worked so well on my > Glasair. And finally, I've designed a 4-into1 tuned > exhaust system > that I'll have built in Titanium. > > My engine is rated 75 HP at 2600 RPM, though I think > the > carb/ignition/exhaust changes will give me something > more than that. > The point of my engine changes, though, is not to > make greater power > but to reduce fuel consumption and increase > performance at altitude. > > The engine weight is an honest 144 lbs, which is 21 > lbs. less than > the 2180 VW that preceded it. Though the Walter has > four inline > cylinders, it is only slightly longer than the VW, > due to its side > mount. The nose will have to be a little longer, of > course, to keep > the CG in the proper place, but no more than about > three inches. It > should be a very attractive plane. > > Of course lower RPM operation requires a longer prop > and that's the > part I haven't quite figured out. Hoffmann makes a > controllable > pitch propeller specifically for the Mikron and > that's what I am > inclined to use, though the price is pretty steep. > It really depends > on how helpful the Hoffmann folks are with blade > design, since this > KR will have a much greater speed range than just > about anything > they've put such a prop on before. The longer prop > (68-inches for > me) requires a much taller landing gear, so I'll be > ordering a custom > one from Robbie Grove. To keep the nose from > pointing too much to > the sky I'll be using the castering Homebuilders' > Tailwheel from > Aircraft Spruce. My experience with tail springs > from Aircraft > Spruce has been not very good (they are often warped > during heat > treating and you have to keep sending them back > until they finally > understand that you really meant it when you said > you wanted one that > isn't warped). Though it isn't in his catalog, > Grove makes beautiful > aluminum tail springs, so that's what I'll be using. > > My goal is to have the lightest, fastest KR-1 of > all. See you in five years. > > > Bob > > > > > >That's probably the one I was refering to. How > about posting a pic > >of it for all the Fighter Pilot wanabes to look at? > >Bill Higdon > >Howcroft wrote: > >>Hello, > >> I know of a kr1 fitted with a Walter > Micron inline engine at Taupo > >>New Zealand. > >> > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > , NOT "reply all" > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For > >additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > >See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 21:21:38 -0200 To: "krnet" From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Eduardo_Jos=E9_Jankosz?=" Subject: My condolonces Message-Id: <200302012322.h11NLn5B055301@cwbone.bsi.com.br> Hi, KR Netters! I want to send my condolences for the family of Columbia's tripulation and for to all people of United States, by this tragedy today occured in Texas! Eduardo José Jankosz jankosz@bsi.com.br http://www.bsi.com.br/cbcb http://br.groups.yahoo.com/group/kr2-brasil Curitiba - PR - BRASIL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 16:47:14 -0700 To: From: "wstarrs" Subject: Re: KR> My condolonces Message-ID: <000f01c2ca4c$3fb5cec0$9200a8c0@bstarrs> Thank You Eduardo. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eduardo José Jankosz" To: "krnet" Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 4:21 PM Subject: KR> My condolonces > Hi, KR Netters! > > I want to send my condolences for the family of Columbia's tripulation and > for to all people of United States, by this tragedy today occured in Texas! > > > Eduardo José Jankosz > jankosz@bsi.com.br > http://www.bsi.com.br/cbcb > http://br.groups.yahoo.com/group/kr2-brasil > Curitiba - PR - BRASIL > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 20:49:05 -0600 To: From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> My condolonces Message-ID: <006b01c2ca65$a67b6ed0$6501a8c0@Administration> Thank you. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eduardo José Jankosz" To: "krnet" Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 5:21 PM Subject: KR> My condolonces > Hi, KR Netters! > > I want to send my condolences for the family of Columbia's tripulation and > for to all people of United States, by this tragedy today occured in Texas! > > > Eduardo José Jankosz > jankosz@bsi.com.br > http://www.bsi.com.br/cbcb > http://br.groups.yahoo.com/group/kr2-brasil > Curitiba - PR - BRASIL > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 22:08:25 -0600 To: "KR-Net" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR-2 ? Message-ID: <005901c2ca70$bc1f21e0$cc561f41@wi.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C2CA3E.714AB620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In the February issue of Sport Aviation on page 72, there is an article = on Copperstate 2002. Does anyone know who's KR-2 that is in the photo? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C2CA3E.714AB620-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 10:23:34 -0700 To: From: "Louis Staalberg" Subject: Re: KR> KR-2 ? Message-ID: <002101c2cadf$e9ec7220$0200a8c6@toshiba> To Mark Jones. I will try to identify the Copperstate KR-2 as soon as I received my Feb, copy. Out west we always get the magazine about two weeks later then at the east coast. I guess they still use the Pony Express! Regards, Louis Louis Staalberg N9FL@cybertrails.com Payson, Arizona ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 09:04:36 -0600 To: "KR-Net" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Update Message-ID: <005001c2cacc$66b25ea0$cc561f41@wi.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C2CA9A.1BDC6C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just updated my photo of the week on my web page and also added a page = two to the Stub Wing section. Enjoy and thanks for looking. = http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C2CA9A.1BDC6C40-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:58:28 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Update Message-Id: <3E3D8674.00001E.01160@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_GX8PP4J1VA4000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for posting. It looks like you are doing a great job. Your surfa= ce looks so good that it ought to be CAKE from here on out.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Sunday, February 02, 2003 07:04:16 AM=0D To: KR-Net=0D Subject: KR> Update=0D =0D I just updated my photo of the week on my web page and also added a page = two to the Stub Wing section. Enjoy and thanks for looking. http://mywebpage netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html=0D =0D =0D Mark Jones (N886MJ)=0D Wales, WI USA =0D E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com=0D Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =0D http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html --------------Boundary-00=_GX8PP4J1VA4000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 07:12:32 -0800 To: "carol bellerose" , "Bob Sauer kr" , , , , , "wstarrs kr" , , "shirley polderdyk" , "Louis Staalberg" , , "dad vandyke" From: "Lee Van Dyke" Subject: Fw: Science project... Message-ID: <007301c2cacd$82c54cf0$6401a8c0@familyvjwzatmp> ----- Original Message ----- From: "ldschneider" To: "John Davis" ; "Judy Walrath" ; "Kathleen Russell" ; "Lee & Melissa Van Dyke" ; "Lios Kaler" ; "Lorraine Finerty" ; "Maxine Smith" ; "Robin Alvarado" ; "ross zetterlund" ; "Sheri Andrews" ; "Tim Russell" ; "Tracy Derivan" Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 7:04 PM Subject: Fw: Science project... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Judy A Heskett > To: Tony Phillips ; Shani Grove > ; Sandy Vargo ; Sandi Bolton > ; Ron Tina Lewis ; Rob & Kristin > Johnson ; Patty Maddux ; Pam > Loudermilk ; Mate ; Mary > & LLoyd Hawk ; margaret heskett > ; Julie A Ruton ; Jack Dickerson > ; Gary Jones ; Don & Jennifer > Fisher ; David S. Ruton ; > Dale & Shirley Fisher ; Carol Yontz > (E-mail) ; Carol Larry Hughes ; > Brenda Norm Kutan ; Brad Hughes ; Bob > Tennant Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 11:49 AM > Subject: Fw: Science project... > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michelle Holdsworth" > > To: "Justus, Benita (Bodenstab)" ; "McCrady, Angela > > (Tooill)" ; "Bradbury-Robinson, Lori" > > ; "Moore, Lisa (Beever)" ; "Hill, > Susan" > > ; "Sussman, Vicki" ; "Gladman, > > Glenna" ; "Layman, Sandy" ; "Penn, > > Janet" ; "Blaney, Lois" ; "Robinson, > > Nancy and Alan" ; "Burton, Tammey" > > ; "Mossman, Connie" ; "Ruton, Julie" > > ; "Baldwin, Dave" ; > "Mathews, > > Kim (Skeese)" ; "Osborn, Tom" > ; > > "Annecillo, Mary Pat" ; "Brown, Roland and > > Jean" ; "Donovan, Erin" ; > > "Deeds, Lora" ; "Fright, Diana" ; > > "Brown, Tafrica" ; "Croy, Rick and Patti" > > ; "Hollingshead, Michele" ; > > "Kidner, Susan" ; "Hodgkins, Amy" ; > > "Tussey, Shelly" ; "White, Kelly (Miller)" > > ; "Curtis, Janet" ; > "Heskett, > > Judy" ; "Godfrey, Benea (Strausbaugh)" > > ; "Abel, Connie" ; "Blais, > Nancy > > & Jean" <3b111@attbi.com>; "Gossett, Kristy (Caughenbaugh)" > > ; "Kimbrell, Joyce (Lane)" > > ; "Savage, Linda" ; "Litwak, > > Hillary" ; "Jenkins, Dianna" > > ; "Tabler, Carol" ; "Lambert, > > Don" ; "Kotula, Sue" ; > > "Sullivan, Joyce" ; "Dukes, Pam" > ; > > "Stout, Tammy" ; "Pintz, Natalie" > > > > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:03 AM > > Subject: Science project... > > > > > > > Hi: I am Shannon Syfrett a 9th grade student at Central Academy > > > (Mississippi). I am working on a project for my 2003 Science Fair to > > > be held > > > February 25th, 2003 I am trying to see where, and how fast e-mail can > > > travel > > > in a period of six weeks. I am keeping track of how many e-mails I > > > get > > > back, and what cities, states, and countries they are coming from. I > > > am > > > hoping that you will be willing to help me with my project! There are > > > only > > > 2 simple steps that will help me to track this email: > > > 1. Please send an e-mail to the following address: > > > howfastorfar2003@aol.com > > > In the subject of the e-mail please include your city, state, and > > > country. > > > You do not need to include your name. Please respond only one time. > > > 2. Please forward this e-mail to everyone on your mailing list. I > > > will be > > > keeping track of the number of responses, as well as the locations. > > > Therefore, send them even to people in the same town. In my science > > > project, > > > I am trying to demonstrate how fast and how far information can > > > travel on > > > the Internet in a six week period. If you receive this e-mail after > > > February 23,2003 please disregard it, since the project will be > > > over. Thank > > > you VERY much for your help! Shannon Syfrett > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 09:34:20 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Science project... Message-ID: <004c01c2cad0$8eb462f0$0802a8c0@TD310> I'll save y'all the trouble of complaining. This is the same guy that forwarded the "Dr Seuss" chain letter two weeks ago. I warned him privately not subject us to that kind of stuff, and that it would be awfully nice if he tried to keep his posts or questions on the subject of KRs (or at least airplanes), or he'd be unsubscribed. I'm a pretty patient individual, but he's toast... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 14:20:35 -0500 To: From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> Fw: Science project... Message-ID: Cute, but it doesn't belong here. Ron Freiberger mailto:rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: Lee Van Dyke [mailto:vandyke5@cableaz.com] Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 10:13 AM To: carol bellerose; Bob Sauer kr; hrkaiser@cox.net; jeroffey@tir.com; John.Holeman@asu.edu; KRnet@mailinglists.org; wstarrs kr; kyle@midnightgrafx.com; shirley polderdyk; Louis Staalberg; TAMMINGA7@aol.com; dad vandyke Subject: KR> Fw: Science project... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 07:14:44 -0800 To: "carol bellerose" , "katie" , "Bob Sauer kr" , , , , , , "shirley polderdyk" , "Louis Staalberg" , , "dad vandyke" From: "Lee Van Dyke" Subject: Fw: your help needed Message-ID: <007d01c2cacd$d1624520$6401a8c0@familyvjwzatmp> ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C2CA8A.C31B5080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ldschneider=20 To: Barb Barnes ; Becky Martin ; Betty Beaumont ; Brian/Claudia Finerty = ; Bridget Talty ; Darin Chokey ; Dick & Sandy Harris ; Helen Schneider ; = Jesse Eller ; John Davis ; Judy Walrath ; Kathleen Russell ; Lee & = Melissa Van Dyke ; Leslie Hamm ; Lios Kaler ; Lorraine Finerty ; Marilyn = Shupe ; Maxine Smith ; Robin Alvarado ; ross zetterlund ; Sheri Andrews = ; Tracy Derivan=20 Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 7:06 PM Subject: Fw: your help needed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Doris Turner=20 To: Undisclosed.Recipients@noc.1st.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:02 AM Subject: Fw: your help needed Subject: your help needed This was sent by a good friend. Dear Family, Friends, and Neighbors, As most of us know there is a chance our country may be going to war = very soon... My son and I were talking about numbers the other night... Many of you may or may not know that in scripture, the number 3 = represents the Holy Trinity.... Well, I was thinking of calling for a day of prayer and fasting for our = country... When you may ask? . March 3, 2003. In simple terms it would be 03-03-03. Wouldn't it be great if all the Christians in the world or at least in our country would stop what they are doing and pray = on the same day... We could make 03-03-03 God's Day... I mean He was there for all of us, that day on the cross... Faith is the door way that all miracles come through, but prayer is the = key that unlocks the door.... I hope you will pass this request on to all your friends and family. In Christ What about all stopping their activity together=20 at 03:03 in the afternoon. Then it would be 03-03-03-03-03. And that won't happen again for another thousand years = (in 3003). =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C2CA8A.C31B5080-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 14:21:34 -0500 To: From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> Fw: your help needed Message-ID: This doesn't belong here either... Ron Freiberger mailto:rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: Lee Van Dyke [mailto:vandyke5@cableaz.com] Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 10:15 AM To: carol bellerose; katie; Bob Sauer kr; hrkaiser@cox.net; jeroffey@tir.com; John.Holeman@asu.edu; KRnet@mailinglists.org; kyle@midnightgrafx.com; shirley polderdyk; Louis Staalberg; TAMMINGA7@aol.com; dad vandyke Subject: KR> Fw: your help needed ----- Original Message ----- From: ldschneider To: Barb Barnes ; Becky Martin ; Betty Beaumont ; Brian/Claudia Finerty ; Bridget Talty ; Darin Chokey ; Dick & Sandy Harris ; Helen Schneider ; Jesse Eller ; John Davis ; Judy Walrath ; Kathleen Russell ; Lee & Melissa Van Dyke ; Leslie Hamm ; Lios Kaler ; Lorraine Finerty ; Marilyn Shupe ; Maxine Smith ; Robin Alvarado ; ross zetterlund ; Sheri Andrews ; Tracy Derivan Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 7:06 PM Subject: Fw: your help needed ----- Original Message ----- From: Doris Turner To: Undisclosed.Recipients@noc.1st.net Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:02 AM Subject: Fw: your help needed Subject: your help needed This was sent by a good friend. Dear Family, Friends, and Neighbors, As most of us know there is a chance our country may be going to war very soon... My son and I were talking about numbers the other night... Many of you may or may not know that in scripture, the number 3 represents the Holy Trinity.... Well, I was thinking of calling for a day of prayer and fasting for our country... When you may ask? . March 3, 2003. In simple terms it would be 03-03-03. Wouldn't it be great if all the Christians in the world or at least in our country would stop what they are doing and pray on the same day... We could make 03-03-03 God's Day... I mean He was there for all of us, that day on the cross... Faith is the door way that all miracles come through, but prayer is the key that unlocks the door.... I hope you will pass this request on to all your friends and family. In Christ What about all stopping their activity together at 03:03 in the afternoon. Then it would be 03-03-03-03-03. And that won't happen again for another thousand years (in 3003). ===== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 09:54:18 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Copperstate KR-2 ? Message-ID: <20030202175418.50142.qmail@web40905.mail.yahoo.com> You can probably rule out Howard Kaiser. That's a standard R-R canopy and he made his own. What I like about Copperstate is that I always saw two or three KRs flying in from Utah, Colorado or California, as well as local builders. Copperstate would be a great place for west coast KR builders and pilots to meet. Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX --- Louis Staalberg wrote: > To Mark Jones. > > I will try to identify the Copperstate KR-2 as soon > as I received my Feb, copy. > Out west we always get the magazine about two weeks > later then at the > east coast. I guess they still use the Pony Express! > Regards, > > Louis > > Louis Staalberg > N9FL@cybertrails.com > Payson, Arizona __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 07:43:37 +1100 To: "KR Net Listings" From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Deihl, Main Spars Message-ID: <001e01c2cafb$c3e71aa0$c296dccb@Matheson> ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C2CB57.F66C9660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone who has built the main spar to suit the wing skins. Question: The KR drawings and the Diehl drawings are different, One shows more = verticals than the other, and the Diehl drawings do not mention the 3/4 = by 3/4 verticals between the 1/2" by 1-15/16" verticals ( as the KR drawings show) What did you DO??? Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 See our engines at:=20 http://www.vw-engines.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C2CB57.F66C9660-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************