From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 5 Feb 2003 15:08:12 -0000 Issue 624 Date: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 7:09 AM krnet Digest 5 Feb 2003 15:08:12 -0000 Issue 624 Topics (messages 14923 through 14952): cupla tips 14923 by: Oscar Zuniga Re: New engine torque at 1950 RPM 14924 by: Robert Stone 14929 by: bill kirkland Re: Changing incidence on RAF48 14925 by: virgnvs.juno.com 14943 by: David Mullins P-51 Plans 14926 by: Scott Cable 14928 by: rmiller 14930 by: Sutstoy.aol.com 14931 by: Robert X. Cringely 14932 by: Frank Ross 14934 by: rmiller 14936 by: Daren Cogdon 14948 by: SFC Russell L. Canter home depot 14927 by: bill kirkland The Mustang 2 14933 by: Bilashley.aol.com Re: vert. stabilizer strength 14935 by: Brian Kraut 14938 by: larry flesner Ken Rand KR turbo 14937 by: Alexandre Mater 14939 by: kevin 14940 by: Bill Higdon 14950 by: larry flesner 14952 by: Robert Stone Re: vertica; stabilizer 14941 by: Dan Heath Re: Trip to Langford's, Einstein's or Andretti's this weekend. 14942 by: Dan Heath Re: Science project... 14944 by: B109pro.aol.com Virg? 14945 by: Frank Ross scarf joints 14946 by: Chris Giesel 14949 by: Brian Kraut scarf joint cont. 14947 by: Chris Giesel Pylwood, me and things 14951 by: AviationMech.aol.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 12:38:14 -0600 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: cupla tips Message-ID: Leftover T-88? Leftover epoxy? Never heard of 'em... I always try to keep track of small areas that I can use leftovers on, and never seem to have enough stuff left to throw away after getting to these little mini-jobs. Aeropoxy is always used up with microballoons to fill some spot that needs it, or to spread on a piece of foam that needs sealing, or something. However, I do occasionally have a wee bit of epoxy or T-88 left in a mixing cup and I just let it set up with the stir stick in it... then check it next day to make sure it all cured hard. Neither one has ever failed to cure rock-hard yet. And to echo the question raised by someone the other day: "where IS Hennie, anyway?" Wasn't he certain to have his airplane (a KR derivative) flying by Christmas at the latest? Inquiring minds want to know... Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:27:24 -0600 To: From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> New engine torque at 1950 RPM Message-ID: <002d01c2cc83$7542f660$05d81a18@hot.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C2CC51.27520860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The original P-51 was built by North American Aircraft Corp but during = the war I think several companies were involved building for England as = well as us. I have no idea where the plants were. Bob Stone ----- Original Message -----=20 From: RCTRVLR@aol.com=20 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:26 AM Subject: Re: KR> New engine torque at 1950 RPM Does anybody know where the P-51 was built, and what plants built = them. Thanks Ray ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C2CC51.27520860-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 15:37:23 -0500 To: From: "bill kirkland" Subject: Re: KR> New engine torque at 1950 RPM Message-ID: <008b01c2cc8d$3a720080$eb942a18@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Frank; Not only that but they use different projections when drafting. When the plans were done for the Iroqois engine for the AVRO arrow the machinists produced mirrror image blades. When they specified Titanium blades there were only 5 lbs of the metal in the world. Talk about state of the art! W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Dungan" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:51 AM Subject: RE: KR> New engine torque at 1950 RPM Maybe so, but all the prints have mis-spelled words like "colour" fd >>> xbs4fiverivers@xrxgsn.com 02/04/03 09:37AM >>> Well, here we go.The Rolls eng may have been designed by Rolls, but it was built by Packard. -----Original Message----- From: Mac Wood [SMTP:macwood@tinyworld.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:05 AM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> New engine torque at 1950 RPM Dear Gelone, I was under the impression that the good ole Mustang was no good at all until they fitted her with a crappy old Rolls Royce Merlin which dripped oil all over western europe- and we're still paying for that! We used to make boats out of Mustang drop tanks! Regards Mac -still drinkin the warm beer(somebody's got to do it) Merry old England. ----- Original Message ----- From: "gleone" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:07 PM Subject: Re: KR> New engine torque at 1950 RPM > Can you say P-51 Mustang? The spit' was a good plane but the P-51 remains a > GREAT plane! And, it doesn't come factory equipped with oil leaks and Lucas > electric's! A little prejudice on my part! > > Kenny Luter wrote: > > > Do you forget that on of the most prized airplanes of WW2 came from England > > Can you say spitfire MK 9 . I dont think I would pass on one of these . > > Kenny > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mac Wood" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 6:01 PM > > Subject: Re: KR> New engine torque at 1950 RPM > > > > > We are maintaining a dignified silence - just hope the wheels stay on our > > > tanks in the desert! Mac McConnell-Wood KR > > 2 > > > (leaking oil all over the bedroom carpet) Hampshire, England, Great > > > Brittain, UK > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Bill Higdon" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 7:18 PM > > > Subject: Re: KR> New engine torque at 1950 RPM > > > > > > > > > > Frank, > > > > You also for got why go English drink warm beer, Because Lucas Electric > > > > Builds their refrigerators! I've owned 2 different British cars and > > > > worked on bunches more. Maybe GM can help, but IIRC even Honda gave up > > > > an the British auto industry. > > > > Bill Higdon > > > > Frank Dungan wrote: > > > > > Sounds really good, up until the point that you said made in England. > > As > > > one who has owned English made cars I have little faith in > > > > > in their manufacturing abilities to produce or hold quality on a > > > production basis. Maybe GM will force the quality issue. Ever hear the > > old > > > joke: > > > > > > > > > > "Do you know why the British never really got in making computers... > > > The could'nt figure out how to make them leak oil" > > > > > > > > > > Let the fire works begin... > > > > > fd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>ron@jrl-engineering.com 02/03/03 10:52AM >>> > > > > >>> > > > > > OPEL SPEEDSTER TURBO MAKES GENEVA DEBUT NEXT MONTH .... The new Opel > > > Speedster Turbo will celebrate its world premiere at the Geneva > > > International Motor Show, March 6-16, 2003. > > > > > > > > > > The mid-engine roadster is powered by a 147 kW (200 hp), 2.0- liter > > > ECOTEC turbo engine that produces a maximum torque of 250 Newton meters > > from > > > only 1950 rpm. > > > > > > > > > > It accelerates from zero to 100 in just 4.9 seconds. > > > > > The open two-seater, with its stable aluminum chassis and reinforced > > > fiberglass body, feels most at home on winding roads where it can take > > full > > > advantage of its agile handling. Opel engineers have specially tuned the > > > Speedster's proven motor sport suspension to match with the turbo version > > > (power/weight ratio: 4.7 kg/hp). Aerodynamic characteristics have been > > > optimized with front and rear spoilers. Special 17-inch alloy wheels, a > > > modified front grill and a new interior underscore the Speedster Turbo's > > > performance qualities. > > > > > > > > > > Like the Opel Speedster with a 2.2 ECOTEC engine (108 kW/147 hp), the > > > new 200 hp-Turbo is manufactured by Lotus Cars in Hethel, England > > > > > > > > > > This engine will be avaiable on the new Saturn cars they are a GM lost > > > foam all aluminum engine casting. Just think 200 hp [turbo] at 1950 rpm. > > > > > Note: GM owns Opel. > > > > > > > > > > KRron > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Ronald R. Eason Sr. > > > > > Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office > > > > > J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. > > > > > 816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO. > > > > > Jim Eason V.P, 770-446-1291, Atlanta, Georgia > > > > > Web Page: www.jrl-engineering.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:33:53 -0500 To: bob@flyboybob.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Changing incidence on RAF48 Message-ID: <20030204.145806.-421279.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Ken Rand tried something and it worked. After looking at Holloomans theory of wing sections, I decided that the incedence was set too high. My KR-1 will be set at 1.5 at the root and .5 at the tip. Remember EXPERIMENTAL, Virg Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 19:47:52 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: David Mullins Subject: Re: KR> Changing incidence on RAF48 Message-ID: <3E405F38.52BF9059@attbi.com> What is this! Virg not following the plans? ;-) Dave Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire virgnvs@juno.com wrote: > Ken Rand tried something and it worked. After looking at > Holloomans theory of wing sections, I decided that the incedence was set > too high. My KR-1 will be set at 1.5 at the root and .5 at the tip. > Remember EXPERIMENTAL, Virg > > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL > WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:01:31 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Scott Cable Subject: P-51 Plans Message-ID: <20030204200131.59640.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1781677805-1044388891=:59391 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii While the original P-51 was built by North American, a replica can be built from plans that cost $275. the web address is: http://warreplica.homestead.com/mustang.html What's interesting to note that the fuselage and wing spars are built like the KR's! I have heard that if you write the National Historical Society in Washington D.C. that you can order a set of authentic blueprints from them also. Does anybody know where the P-51 was built, and what plants built them. Thanks Ray Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Livonia, MI s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --0-1781677805-1044388891=:59391-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 15:26:21 -0500 To: From: "rmiller" Subject: Re: KR> P-51 Plans Message-ID: <002d01c2cc8b$b66e5640$2acccad8@dej68> Here is a list of some of the places where P-51 were built: The first Merlin-engined versions appeared in 1943 with the P-51B, of which 1,988 were built in Inglewood, California, and the P-51C, of which 1,750 were built in Dallas, Texas. Both new versions had strengthened fuselages and four wing-mounted 12.7-mm machine guns. Many of these new Mustangs were delivered to the UK as Mustang Mk IIIs, and others went to the USAAF as F-6Cs. The Merlin-powered Mustangs were exactly what the Allied bombers in Europe desperately needed, and they became famous for their long range and potent high-altitude escort capability. The most significant variant, the P-51D, featured a 360-degree-view bubble canopy, a modified rear fuselage, and six 12.77-mm machine guns. 7,956 were built, and once again, many went to the UK as Mustang Mk IVs and others became USAAF F-6D reconnaissance aircraft. Next came the P-51K, which was generally similar. A third of these became RAF Mustang IVs also, and over a hundred became F-6Ks. Very late in the war, the P-51H appeared, although only 555 of 2000 were completed before V-J Day caused the cancellation of the order. US production totaled 15,386, but at least 200 more were built by the Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation of Australia with imported parts and designated Mustang Mk 20/21/22/23. None of these saw service before the end of the war. Under the Lend-Lease program, 50 P-51s were supplied to China, and 40 more were supplied to the Netherlands in the Pacific theater. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cable" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 3:01 PM Subject: KR> P-51 Plans > > > While the original P-51 was built by North American, a replica can be built from plans that cost $275. the web address is: http://warreplica.homestead.com/mustang.html > > What's interesting to note that the fuselage and wing spars are built like the KR's! > > I have heard that if you write the National Historical Society in Washingt on D.C. that you can order a set of authentic blueprints from them also. > > > Does anybody know where the P-51 was built, and what plants built them. Thanks > > Ray > > > Scott Cable > KR-2S # 735 > Livonia, MI > s2cable1@yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 15:49:20 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Sutstoy@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> P-51 Plans Message-ID: <6d.909c80b.2b718150@aol.com> --part1_6d.909c80b.2b718150_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry guy, The guns in the P-51 did not have 12.7 marking on them. They are all marked 50 cal. Aloha Joe :>}) --part1_6d.909c80b.2b718150_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:53:43 -0800 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Robert X. Cringely" Subject: Re: KR> P-51 Plans Message-Id: North American Aviation built P-51s in Inglewood, California and Dallas, Texas. The most popular models were the P-51D and -K, with the D's being made in Inglewodd and the K's in Dallas. The only differencce between the models was the Inglewood planes used a Hamilton-Standard propellers while the Dallas planes used props from Aero Products. My Dad had a P-51K he bought surplus in 1962 for $4,000. About two years later following a (26 gallon!) oil change, my mother made him accept an offer of $6,000. Of course it would be worth $1 million today. Clever guy, he used the $6,000 to buy a Beech Staggerwing he flew for a couple years before selling it for $8,000. Then he used $7,500 of the $8,000 to buy a Ferrari Super America which, following $1,500 in engine work, my Mom made him sell for $6,000, taking him pretty much back to where he started. That Ferrari is worth $1.5 million today. As the prices went up over the years he kept my Mother up-to-date on precisely how much money she had cost him. On the other hand, he also said she gave him the seven happiest years of his life (they were married for 46). Bob > >While the original P-51 was built by North American, a replica can >be built from plans that cost $275. the web address is: >http://warreplica.homestead.com/mustang.html > >What's interesting to note that the fuselage and wing spars are >built like the KR's! > >I have heard that if you write the National Historical Society in >Washington D.C. that you can order a set of authentic blueprints >from them also. > > >Does anybody know where the P-51 was built, and what plants built them. Thanks > >Ray > > >Scott Cable >KR-2S # 735 >Livonia, MI >s2cable1@yahoo.com > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:14:34 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> P-51 Plans Message-ID: <20030204211434.92519.qmail@web40912.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Robert X. Cringely" wrote: > $1,500 in engine work, my Mom made him sell for > $6,000, taking him > pretty much back to where he started. That Ferrari > is worth $1.5 > million today. As the prices went up over the years > he kept my > Mother up-to-date on precisely how much money she > had cost him. On > the other hand, he also said she gave him the seven > happiest years of > his life (they were married for 46). > > > Bob Thanks Bob, We needed that! Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 16:47:13 -0500 To: From: "rmiller" Subject: Re: KR> P-51 Plans Message-ID: <002001c2cc97$13a4f160$23cccad8@dej68> 12.7 mm is equal to .50 inches. This info was from a German website, hence the metric measurement. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 3:49 PM Subject: Re: KR> P-51 Plans > Sorry guy, > The guns in the P-51 did not have 12.7 marking on them. > They are all marked 50 cal. > > Aloha > Joe :>}) > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 22:32:40 +0000 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Daren Cogdon" Subject: Re: KR> P-51 Plans Message-ID: What's interesting to note is that the P-51 only became the superb long-range escort fighter aircraft that it is because US BRITS put a Rolls-Royce Merlin engine in a P-51 in the first place!!! And it was also thanks to US BRITS that the Americans broke the sound barrier, too! >From: "rmiller" >Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org >To: >Subject: Re: KR> P-51 Plans >Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 15:26:21 -0500 > >Here is a list of some of the places where P-51 were built: > >The first Merlin-engined versions appeared in 1943 with the P-51B, of which >1,988 were built in Inglewood, California, and the P-51C, of which 1,750 >were built in Dallas, Texas. Both new versions had strengthened fuselages >and four wing-mounted 12.7-mm machine guns. Many of these new Mustangs were >delivered to the UK as Mustang Mk IIIs, and others went to the USAAF as >F-6Cs. The Merlin-powered Mustangs were exactly what the Allied bombers in >Europe desperately needed, and they became famous for their long range and >potent high-altitude escort capability. The most significant variant, the >P-51D, featured a 360-degree-view bubble canopy, a modified rear fuselage, >and six 12.77-mm machine guns. 7,956 were built, and once again, many went >to the UK as Mustang Mk IVs and others became USAAF F-6D reconnaissance >aircraft. Next came the P-51K, which was generally similar. A third of >these >became RAF Mustang IVs also, and over a hundred became F-6Ks. Very late in >the war, the P-51H appeared, although only 555 of 2000 were completed >before >V-J Day caused the cancellation of the order. US production totaled 15,386, >but at least 200 more were built by the Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation >of >Australia with imported parts and designated Mustang Mk 20/21/22/23. None >of >these saw service before the end of the war. Under the Lend-Lease program, >50 P-51s were supplied to China, and 40 more were supplied to the >Netherlands in the Pacific theater. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Scott Cable" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 3:01 PM >Subject: KR> P-51 Plans > > > > > > > > While the original P-51 was built by North American, a replica can be >built from plans that cost $275. the web address is: >http://warreplica.homestead.com/mustang.html > > > > What's interesting to note that the fuselage and wing spars are built >like >the KR's! > > > > I have heard that if you write the National Historical Society in >Washingt >on D.C. that you can order a set of authentic blueprints from them also. > > > > > > Does anybody know where the P-51 was built, and what plants built them. >Thanks > > > > Ray > > > > > > Scott Cable > > KR-2S # 735 > > Livonia, MI > > s2cable1@yahoo.com > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://messenger.msn.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:15:36 -0600 To: From: "SFC Russell L. Canter" Subject: Re: KR> P-51 Plans Message-ID: <00a501c2ccc4$db284160$06f69041@hppav> 12.7 mm is the metric name for .50 cals (M-2 HB MGs) Wpns Sgt and wanna be builder. (have a & p, will travel) Russ Canter ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:49 PM Subject: Re: KR> P-51 Plans > Sorry guy, > The guns in the P-51 did not have 12.7 marking on them. > They are all marked 50 cal. > > Aloha > Joe :>}) > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 15:19:23 -0500 To: "krnet" From: "bill kirkland" Subject: home depot Message-ID: <003c01c2cc8a$b64abe20$eb942a18@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C2CC60.CC4FBE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You can really save money buying plywood at home depot. They sell bolts = too don't they? W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND hhtp wkirkland@rogers.com ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C2CC60.CC4FBE20-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 16:21:07 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Bilashley@aol.com Subject: The Mustang 2 Message-ID: <84.90e7960.2b7188c3@aol.com> --part1_84.90e7960.2b7188c3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If anyone wants the web for Mustang 2 the web is www.mustangAero.com it has a great set of drawings and the price for the plans is not that bad check it out --part1_84.90e7960.2b7188c3_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:14:08 -0500 (EST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Brian Kraut Subject: Re: Re: KR> vert. stabilizer strength Message-ID: <2608933.1044396570187.JavaMail.nobody@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> I made a tail stand for mine when I turned it over. I basically built a table about 2' square of 1/2" plywood on the top with four 2 X 4 legs. I cut a slot in the plywood for the fin. I taped plastic garbage bags on the bottom of the fin, the stab, and fillet area and used spray foam insulation while I had the tail suspended from a rope. Voila, a custom shaped rest for my tail. My plane was heavier than most at the upside down stage because it was already finished and flying and I turned it over to put on fixed gear. The engine was off and the front hung with rope from my rafters tied to the engine mount. -------Original Message------- From: Donald Blankenship Sent: 02/04/03 02:47 AM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> vert. stabilizer strength > > I'm not going to second-guess these two on a bet, given that one is the kr Einstein and the other would be understated as the kr Mario Andretti of the past ten+ years. You figure out which is which. But for what it is worth, if us normal mortals put 2 oz on top of that tail post, it will a) almost always separate from the top of the fuselage at the epoxy joint, or b) break the tail post, padded or not. --dirt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 18:53:25 -0600 To: Subject: Re: KR> vert. stabilizer strength > Rick Wilson wrote: > > > Hi all, Can anyone tell me if the vertical stab is > > strong enough to support a KR2 while it is upside > > down, or is additional support necessary? Thanks, Rick > > Yep, I've had mine upside down sitting on the tail for probably a total of 3 > months altogether, done on several separate occasions. Troy Petteway did > the same. Eventually I developed a little ripple in very top of the leading > edge (that's where all of the load was concentrated) and punched the plywood > rib down just a tad, but the easy way around that is set it on a piece of 2 > inch foam to distribute the load (Troy taught me that one). When I repaired > the little ripple, I did it with carbon fiber, but you wouldn't want to > carbon fiber your whole tail if your antenna is in there. > > I've recently made a little "tail cart" comprised of a piece of 2x8 about 12 > inches long with four little rollers stuck to the underside. I duct taped > the top of the vertical stab with a piece of 1/4" rubber on top, put a big > pile of flox on the cart, and flipped the plane over on it to cure. I now > have an easy way to wheel the thing around when it's upside down, combined > with the "flip-o-matic". Oh, I just found a picture. It's at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/02111746m.jpg . > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 17:22:17 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: KR> vert. stabilizer strength Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20030204172217.00797100@pop.midwest.net> >I made a tail stand for mine when I turned it over. I basically built a table about 2' square of 1/2" plywood on the top with four 2 X 4 legs. +++++++++++++++snip++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Man, I just set mine on a saw horse. How uninventive of me. :-) :-) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:38:30 -0200 To: From: "Alexandre Mater" Subject: Ken Rand KR turbo Message-ID: <001301c2cc9e$482cf480$a34eb4c8@alexandre> ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C2CC8D.60DC4AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, =20 =20 Which does anybody know the model or turbocharging type that Ken Rand = used in his KR that was published in April 1976 in the sportplane = magazine? Thanks Alexandre Mater Brazil ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C2CC8D.60DC4AA0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 18:00:31 -0600 To: From: "kevin" Subject: Re: KR> Ken Rand KR turbo Message-ID: <004401c2cca9$9a550e40$8d903841@hppav> That was probably the Revmaster as they sold a Turbo VW conversion back in the day. Why all the talk about P-51s? Guy talking about Bolts from Home Depot..........Smart- @&% Kevin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexandre Mater" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: KR> Ken Rand KR turbo Hello, Which does anybody know the model or turbocharging type that Ken Rand used in his KR that was published in April 1976 in the sportplane magazine? Thanks Alexandre Mater Brazil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 16:26:07 -0800 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Bill Higdon Subject: Re: KR> Ken Rand KR turbo Message-ID: <3E405A1F.1070308@attbi.com> No, Ken did his own conversion, The early newsletters gave the info in an article. Mine are buried so I can't dig them out at the moment. Bill Higdon kevin wrote: > That was probably the Revmaster as they sold a Turbo VW conversion back in > the day. > > Why all the talk about P-51s? > > Guy talking about Bolts from Home Depot..........Smart- @&% > > Kevin. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alexandre Mater" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:38 PM > Subject: KR> Ken Rand KR turbo > > > Hello, > > Which does anybody know the model or turbocharging type that Ken Rand used > in his KR that was published in April 1976 in the sportplane magazine? > > Thanks > > > Alexandre Mater > Brazil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 06:22:34 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: Ken Rand KR turbo Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20030205062234.0081b760@pop.midwest.net> > Which does anybody know the model or turbocharging type that Ken Rand used in his KR that was published in April 1976 in the sportplane magazine? >Alexandre Mater >Brazil ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Alex, Do you have that magazine and the information is not given? If you don't have the magazine someone may be able to find the info on disc for you. (if the article gives that info) I don't have the CD or I'd look for you. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 09:08:10 -0600 To: From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Ken Rand KR turbo Message-ID: <005a01c2cd28$68b9fb00$05d81a18@hot.rr.com> The turbocharger Ken Rand used on his KR-2 was purchased at RayJay turbochargers in Long Beach, California. I know this for a fact because I was with him when he bought it. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexandre Mater" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: KR> Ken Rand KR turbo Hello, Which does anybody know the model or turbocharging type that Ken Rand used in his KR that was published in April 1976 in the sportplane magazine? Thanks Alexandre Mater Brazil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:42:54 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> vertica; stabilizer Message-Id: <3E40883E.000041.01220@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_IZGTUGI4G6G000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mail it to me and I will put it on our home page for a couple of weeks.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 07:12:30 AM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: KR> vertica; stabilizer=0D =0D My Kr is upside down now. I removed the rudder and replaced it with a len= ght of 2 x 4 that extended above the rudder and fitted into the rudder hindge fittings. This keeps the upper fibreglass surface off the floor and all weight goes into the rudder post. There is an "A" frame support attached = to each wing fitting to keep the cabin off the ground. I left the "come-alon= g" lift mechanism still attached to the crankshaft for added support.=0D I do not have a web page or means to show others how it looks but is anyo= ne is interested I would email a photo on request.=0D Harold Woods=0D Orillia,ON.=0D Canada.=0D =0D =0D ---=0D Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.=0D Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).=0D Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/03 --------------Boundary-00=_IZGTUGI4G6G000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:46:29 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Trip to Langford's, Einstein's or Andretti's this weekend. Message-Id: <3E408915.000046.01220@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_H5HT5X34G6G000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And I'll bet you won't be talking about Home Depot or P-51's=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 04:17:23 AM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: KR> Trip to Langford's, Einstein's or Andretti's this weekend.=0D =0D I'm confused now just who we will be visiting this weekend but we sure wi= ll =0D have some food for conversation:-)=0D =0D Just a reminder, if you are within driving distance of Huntsville, AL we = =0D will be gathering in Langford's (I think) basement. Don't know if Einstei= n =0D or Andretti will be there but we will be in Langford Manor leaning on a K= R. =0D Just be careful with the VS spar.=0D =0D Enough of the sarcasism, I'm sure flames will fly from someone.=0D =0D Mark posted a website showing a map to his house. If you would like to ge= t =0D together and talk KRs, or just airplanes, show up Saturday. We will have = a =0D great time as 99.9% of the KRNet crowd are great to hang around with.=0D =0D See ya there.=0D =0D =0D =0D Dana Overall=0D 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host=0D Richmond, KY=0D http://rvflying.tripod.com=0D do not archive=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D _________________________________________________________________=0D The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* =0D http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/junkmail=0D =0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_H5HT5X34G6G000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:09:29 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: B109pro@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Science project... Message-ID: --part1_ae.37e9925d.2b71be49_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Shannon, Good luck with your project. Best regards, Skip Brooks, St. Petersburg, Fl. --part1_ae.37e9925d.2b71be49_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:12:59 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Virg? Message-ID: <20030205011259.53963.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com> Dave, Obviously an imposter. Virg never talked that much in his life. Frank in San Antonio, TX --- David Mullins wrote: > What is this! Virg not following the plans? ;-) > > Dave Mullins > Nashua, New Hampshire > > virgnvs@juno.com wrote: > > > Ken Rand tried something and it worked. > After looking at > > Holloomans theory of wing sections, I decided that > the incedence was set > > too high. My KR-1 will be set at 1.5 at the root > and .5 at the tip. > > Remember EXPERIMENTAL, Virg > > > > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL > > WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 20:43:19 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Chris Giesel" Subject: scarf joints Message-ID: Hi Gang, I was in Alaska last year and visited the bush pilot museum located near the Anchorage airport. This is one of the most interesting museums I have been in. It has a collection of wrecked bush planes--many of historical significance--that have been, or are in the process of being, restored. This brings me to my point. We met the guy who was in charge of restoring these birds and got on the subject of scarf (ph?) joints. He stated that wehn he was training for a&p cert. in the 1940's THE SANDING OF SCARF JOINTS WAS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 23:39:56 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Brian Kraut Subject: Re: KR> scarf joints Message-ID: <3E40959C.4030206@earthlink.net> The reason has to do with the fine sawdust getting into the pores of the wood and clogging them so the glue can't get in. You are supposed to cut wood that gets glued, not sand it. I sent a post regarding this and I think I cited the AC 43.13 sections a while back. I am too tired to look it up now, but you can probably find it in the archives or look in the 43.13. Chris Giesel wrote: > > Hi Gang, > > I was in Alaska last year and visited the bush pilot museum located > near the Anchorage airport. This is one of the most interesting > museums I have been in. It has a collection of wrecked bush > planes--many of historical significance--that have been, or are in the > process of being, restored. > > This brings me to my point. We met the guy who was in charge of > restoring these birds and got on the subject of scarf (ph?) joints. He > stated that wehn he was training for a&p cert. in the 1940's THE > SANDING OF SCARF JOINTS WAS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For > additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 20:50:08 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Chris Giesel" Subject: scarf joint cont. Message-ID: Sorry hit enter key at wrong time So this a&p from way back says that sanded scarf joints were not allowed. Instead scarf joints were cut using a chisel or plane. the reason given is that the sanding action closes the pores in the wood and do not allow as good of a bond. cut scarfs with the accompanying open pores in the wood allows for better penetration of the wood and a stronger joint. This makes sense to me, and I always wonder about the integrity of the sanded vs cut scarph joints. By the way, while we were talking the a&p was perparing to replane a rotted section of main spar using cut scarf joints. Si thats my $0.02 worth Thanks, Chris _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 07:32:47 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com CC: s2cable1@yahoo.com Subject: Pylwood, me and things Message-ID: <17c.165e5cf3.2b725e6f@aol.com> --part1_17c.165e5cf3.2b725e6f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have not read my mail in a few days and was surprised to see my name. So, from the horse's mouth. Any consideration of plywood should include the following. The type of wood used in construction, the type of glue used in manufacturing, the orientation of the wood ply, the thickness of the ply, and the number of ply. Add all of this up and it equal strength if the correct material is used. This is why certified plywood is so expensive. Some marine plywood might be acceptable, However I recommend that we all support the KR family and buy from Jeanette Rand. I was amazed that about 10 years ago someone built and flew a KR for $1500. Every now and then someone try's to use inferior material. It may fly, but will it be the SAFEST for the occupant. Caution!!! Some locally available plywood's use garbage wood for the filler ply and the glue melts in water. When I'm at 5,000MSL and the air gets rough and the KR with its light wing loading is bumping thorough the air, I don't want to imagine I am leaving a debris trail. PS Scott got a nice project. PS2 MY boat is Mahogany, the birch ply is on a boat that I have stored and watched weather for 10 years. (FOR SALE) AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech AP with IA Retired AF EAA # Prior Instructor at AP School Usually FOS0219561 --part1_17c.165e5cf3.2b725e6f_boundary-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************