From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 20 Feb 2003 20:36:21 -0000 Issue 637 Date: Thursday, February 20, 2003 1:37 PM krnet Digest 20 Feb 2003 20:36:21 -0000 Issue 637 Topics (messages 15276 through 15295): Moved, now back to building 15276 by: Scott Cable 15277 by: Kevin Re: KR winglets 15278 by: larry severson Re: am I a pilot? 15279 by: Stephen J Robinson Re: removal of elevator 15280 by: Phillip Matheson Re: Re:Escrow Services/Stop Fraud 15281 by: Phillip Matheson 15283 by: Edwin Blocher 15284 by: Frank Ross Re: what happened to the earth rounding kr? 15282 by: UlricMoh.aol.com Bulkheads 15285 by: Justin 15287 by: BABYWOLF.aol.com 15288 by: virgnvs.juno.com 15289 by: Scott Cable Re: Escrow Services/Thanks 15286 by: Frank Ross fuselage 15290 by: harold woods Re: Subject: Mobile Phone Safety Important! 15291 by: wstarrs 15292 by: Dana Overall 15295 by: gleone where Is Larry Capps 15293 by: tomarickltd.nisbet.att.net 15294 by: Larry A. Capps Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 08:14:38 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Scott Cable Subject: Moved, now back to building Message-ID: <20030219161438.821.qmail@web40803.mail.yahoo.com> --0-847075965-1045671278=:98689 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Netters, Over the last 3 weeks we've moved! The move is now all but complete, (now comes the "fun" part of getting the shop back together!) My wife has COPD, which was the main reason for the move, but also, the closest private field near the old house in Livonia was Plymouth- Mettitahl, which has a 4 year waiting list to get hangar space in. Not an ideal situation! So we moved to Linden, (which is about 20 minutes south of Flint) the air is much cleaner, (so the wife can breathe easier) (breathing is good thing) and there are 3 airfields within 5 miles of the new house! (Almost better than breathing!!!) We spotted a KR2 over at Price Airfield, can't remember the N number though, I'll post it later.... My KR made the 55 mile trek loaded on a flatbed trailer without incident. By the way: the WAF's made excellent tie-down locations if / when you move your project. As one might expect, we got a lot of confused looks and also a lot of thumbs-up from passing drivers along the way! What a difference a couple of months can make! When we brought the project home, we did so on top of our full size van. It looked like a canoe with outriggers at that time! Now, with the tail on her, she looks like something that is supposed to fly instead of float! I'll get the Vemco table re-assembled, my computer turned on, and the shop organized and then BACK TO BUILDING! WHA-HOOO! Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Livonia, MI s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day --0-847075965-1045671278=:98689-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 08:56:34 -0500 (EST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Kevin Subject: Re: KR> Moved, now back to building Message-ID: <2993898.1045673795136.JavaMail.nobody@beaker.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Congrads on the move! It is fun to live near an airport. I live near one and am close enough that when flying the patern, they are very close to the house. I can see most everything coming and going. I look a bit silly running out the garage everytime something flies over, but who cares. Kevin. -------Original Message------- From: Scott Cable Sent: 02/19/03 11:14 AM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Moved, now back to building > > Netters, Over the last 3 weeks we've moved! The move is now all but complete, (now comes the "fun" part of getting the shop back together!) My wife has COPD, which was the main reason for the move, but also, the closest private field near the old house in Livonia was Plymouth- Mettitahl, which has a 4 year waiting list to get hangar space in. Not an ideal situation! So we moved to Linden, (which is about 20 minutes south of Flint) the air is much cleaner, (so the wife can breathe easier) (breathing is good thing) and there are 3 airfields within 5 miles of the new house! (Almost better than breathing!!!) We spotted a KR2 over at Price Airfield, can't remember the N number though, I'll post it later.... My KR made the 55 mile trek loaded on a flatbed trailer without incident. By the way: the WAF's made excellent tie-down locations if / when you move your project. As one might expect, we got a lot of confused looks and also a lot of thumbs-up from passing drivers along the way! What a difference a couple of months can make! When we brought the project home, we did so on top of our full size van. It looked like a canoe with outriggers at that time! Now, with the tail on her, she looks like something that is supposed to fly instead of float! I'll get the Vemco table re-assembled, my computer turned on, and the shop organized and then BACK TO BUILDING! WHA-HOOO! Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Livonia, MI s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 10:56:02 -0800 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> KR winglets Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030219105304.00b26f40@pop-server.socal.rr.com> At 01:53 PM 2/12/2003 -0600, you wrote: >Ashok, who designed the new airfoils, and I have discussed winglets >numerous times. His feeling is the KR would not benefit from them. This >is from the horses mouth. He thinks the added drag from the right angle >intersection would offset any gains. Done at a 45 degree angle with an airfoil (reduced), there is one additional benefit. I have heard that the KR2 can have a wicked break in stall. Even 12 inch wingtips like described would be a stabilizing factor in reducing the roll towards the wing that stalls first. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:30:35 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Stephen J Robinson Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR>am I a pilot? Message-ID: <20030219.160046.-320959.0.sjrobinson2@juno.com> Mark, Thanks for responding to my question regarding your pilot status. I know exactly what you have experienced regarding making choices between flying and building. Our philosphies are vary similar, in that you can't do both adequately on limited funds. I try to stay current but just missed my last 90 day requirement and now will have to incur the added exspence of hiring an instructor to get back up to speed. So, I'm trying to do both on a limited retirement pay. I long ago figured out that it's beyond my capability to attempt go for any other rating (i.e., IFR, multiengine, etc.) than my basic private, single engine, VFR rating. Your contributions in building your KR are right up there with Tony Beneglis and others. Your communication on the KRnet, sharing "lessons learned" are invaluable to everyone. Keep up the good work. One subject you might want to open for discussion is, when should builders start to get into flying, prior to trying to put their completed project into the sky. It seems to me I've read over the years a number of hearbreaking stories of the proud builder making some real basic mistakes and damaging/destroying their bird on first flights, much less being personally injured or killed. Perhaps you could encourage a "First Flights" section that flyers could contribute to for the benefit of others? Just a suggestion. Steve Robinson On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:12:14 -0600 "Mark Langford" writes: > Steve Robinson wrote: > > > ...Do you fly? I'd like to > > know. Not to besmirch you nor detract from your reputation and > most > > noteworthy contributions, but to clarify your background. > > Yes, I have a pilot's license, but only about 130 hours of left seat > time. > That doesn't make me much of a pilot, but I think all the reading > and > research I've done over the years have given me a pretty good grasp > of what > it's all about. I started flying at age 15, and it was then that I > decided > to build the "new" KR2. But like a lot of folks, I couldn't even > afford > that for a few more years on my USAF salary, and especially while > working my > way through college. > > When I got my first real job I decided it was time to get my > license, > because I knew that when I started building a plane, the first > question > people would ask is "oh, so you're a pilot?" I couldn't stand the > thought > of saying "well no, but I'm sure I'll get my license some day", so I > just > went ahead and got it. I really wish I'd have just waited, because > now I'm > pretty rusty at it, and I'll probably have to do 20 hours to get > back to > where I was, but at least it'll be taildragger time this time > around. > > I started putting 50 bucks a month into the "fuselage fund" using > direct > deposit from my paycheck, and before I knew it, I had a pile of wood > to work > with. And when I finished the fuselage, I had enough in the fund > to buy > landing gear, and by then I could afford to put $200 a month into > it, and > everything else just fell into place from there. When I get finished > I'll > take a "crash course" of taildragger training, then a little KR > familiarization with a real-live KR pilot, and then fly my own. > Shortly > thereafter, I will be a "real KR pilot", as I plan to fly a lot, not > just > own a hangar queen. > > I made a conscious decision about 8 years ago to quit flying until > my > plane was finished, because I thought at the time that would only be > 2 or 3 > years. It was costing me $60 an hour to rent a 172, and in order to > do the > recommended 40 hours per year to stay proficient, I decided to put > that > $2400 a year into MY airplane, rather than renting somebody else's, > and when > I finished building my plane, I'd OWN the thing myself! Another > factor was > getting into a different airplane every time, and wondering how to > make this > or that work, or having this or that inoperable, etc. It seemed to > me that > renting was actually a safety hazard. > > That's probably more than you wanted to know, but the short answer > is yes, > even if just barely, so I don't have to look like a fool and say > "well no, > but I'm sure some day I'll be a pilot". If I had it to do over > again, I'd > buy somebody else's flying KR1 or KR2 and fly it until my plane was > finished, and then sell it for what I had in it. > > I know you're wondering how I can spend a half an hour writing an > email > message on company time, but I took the afternoon off to work on > the > plane... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 08:46:41 +1100 To: From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> removal of elevator Message-ID: <001a01c2d860$6438cfa0$0100a8c0@barry> Lee This is a good idea, but I would make up the 4130 plates Drill and flt them before cutting the spar. this will ensure the spar is still in the same location. Sounds good. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 NSW Australia. See our VW engines at; www.vw-engines.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 08:57:01 +1100 To: From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Re:Escrow Services/Stop Fraud Message-ID: <003101c2d861$d78a7d40$0100a8c0@barry> This is OK for the honest people, But how does this stop the money order from being cashed, and NOT supply the GOODS!! As we know, has been happening. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 NSW Australia. See our VW engines at; www.vw-engines.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edwin Blocher" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:45 PM Subject: Re: KR> Re:Escrow Services > Another thought. I get money orders without any charge at my bank or you can > get them for a couple of bucks at the Post Office. > Ed Blocher > Santa Rosa Beach, FL > eblocher@earthlink.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Brown" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 4:58 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Re:Escrow Services > > > > The simple solution is to send a Cashier's Check. > > > > Then a couple days in the mail to "escrow" and a > > quick e-mail to the seller and the item is on its > > way. That way, it really wouldn't take any > > longer than if you did it the way it has always > > been done. > > > > Tim > > > > > > --- n886kr@netscape.net wrote: > > > Tim and KRnetters, > > > > > > I feel like we are making very positve progress > > > in developing an effective means of ensuring > > > happy buyers and sellers. Are there any > > > suggestions from the KRnetters on electronic > > > transfer of funds, i.e. Pay Pal, etc. that may > > > speed up the process. A month waiting on a > > > critical part could seem like an eternity > > > during prime flying season (Jan 1 thru Dec 31) > > > :>). I certainly like the idea of any > > > dissatisfaction being handled off net. > > > > > > Rick Collins, N886KR Little Beast > > > > > > > > > Tim Brown wrote: > > > > > > >Ok I'll jump in now. > > > > > > > >My thought of how this would work is as > > > follows > > > >(and I'm open to ideas) > > > > > > > >Buyer and seller both contact me with brief > > > buyer > > > >seller details. > > > > > > > >Buyer sends me a check for the purchase amount > > > >plus something like $2.00 to cover postage and > > > >handling. > > > > > > > >I deposit the check into my checking account > > > and > > > >advise the seller. Absent hearing from me > > > that > > > >the check bounced, seller sends to buyer ten > > > days > > > >after my deposit of buyer's check. This ten > > > day > > > >period should be plenty of time for me to > > > learn > > > >if the check is no good. > > > > > > > >Buyer notifies me when item arrives and I send > > > my > > > >personal check to seller. I only do what > > > >mutually seller and buyer tell me to do. If > > > >buyer is unhappy with the merchandise, buyer > > > >returns it to seller at his expense and I > > > return > > > >buyer's purchase price. If there is a > > > squabble, > > > >I hold onto the money until the squabble is > > > >worked out. Parties would have to do a reply > > > to > > > >my instructions agreeing to this procedure or > > > >some other procedure that they agree upon. I > > > >would, of course, assume to liability for > > > >anything other than that set forth in the > > > >agreement. OK...getting to legaleze now so > > > I'll > > > >stop. > > > > > > > >Yes, this may take close to a month to > > > consummate > > > >but everyone knows for sure that the item > > > arrived > > > >and the money will, too. > > > > > > > >Anyone wanting to use this process merely > > > shoots > > > >me an e-mail off the net and all subsequent > > > >e-mails are off the net. > > > > > > > >Ok...I'm done. > > > > > > > >Tim > > > >Lake Arrowhead, California > > > >timwbrown@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Edwin Blocher > > > wrote: > > > >> Tim Brown is a KR guy and on the KR Net. I'd > > > >> sure rather pay him a fee than > > > >> E-Bay. My gut feeling is that for the KR Net > > > >> guys his fee would little to > > > >> nothing. How about it Tim? > > > >> Ed Blocher > > > >> Santa Rosa Beach, FL > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > > >Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's > > > Day > > > >http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >To post to the list, email: > > > krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > > > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > >For additional commands, e-mail: > > > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > >See the KRNet archives at > > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. > > > Upgrade now! > > > > > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp > > > > > > > > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail > > > account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: > > > krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > > > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at > > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 23:10:19 -0600 To: From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: Re: KR> Re:Escrow Services/Stop Fraud Message-ID: <001c01c2d89e$5ddea560$0201a8c0@computer> Lets start over again. Go back and read how Tim Briwn proposed the escrow account would work. I'm no lawyer but I believe Escrow basically is moneys held until both parties are satisfied. Money orders or certified checks would eliminate the waiting period for a check to clear. Either way the money is held in Escrow until both parties are satisfied. Tim said the checks would be deposited in his account and after clearing he would advise both parties and complete the transaction after both were satisfied. Again"pay by check and wait an extra ten days". I'm through talking about this because as always too many don't understand what's going on because they don't pay attention to what they are reading, and that is not limited to this subject. ED Ed Blocher Santa Rosa Beach, FL eblocher@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Matheson" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:57 PM Subject: Re: KR> Re:Escrow Services/Stop Fraud > This is OK for the honest people, > But how does this stop the money order from being cashed, and NOT supply the > GOODS!! > As we know, has been happening. > > Phil Matheson > matheson@dodo.com.au > 61 3 58833588 > NSW > Australia. > See our VW engines at; > www.vw-engines.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edwin Blocher" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:45 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Re:Escrow Services > > > > Another thought. I get money orders without any charge at my bank or you > can > > get them for a couple of bucks at the Post Office. > > Ed Blocher > > Santa Rosa Beach, FL > > eblocher@earthlink.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tim Brown" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 4:58 PM > > Subject: Re: KR> Re:Escrow Services > > > > > > > The simple solution is to send a Cashier's Check. > > > > > > Then a couple days in the mail to "escrow" and a > > > quick e-mail to the seller and the item is on its > > > way. That way, it really wouldn't take any > > > longer than if you did it the way it has always > > > been done. > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > --- n886kr@netscape.net wrote: > > > > Tim and KRnetters, > > > > > > > > I feel like we are making very positve progress > > > > in developing an effective means of ensuring > > > > happy buyers and sellers. Are there any > > > > suggestions from the KRnetters on electronic > > > > transfer of funds, i.e. Pay Pal, etc. that may > > > > speed up the process. A month waiting on a > > > > critical part could seem like an eternity > > > > during prime flying season (Jan 1 thru Dec 31) > > > > :>). I certainly like the idea of any > > > > dissatisfaction being handled off net. > > > > > > > > Rick Collins, N886KR Little Beast > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > >Ok I'll jump in now. > > > > > > > > > >My thought of how this would work is as > > > > follows > > > > >(and I'm open to ideas) > > > > > > > > > >Buyer and seller both contact me with brief > > > > buyer > > > > >seller details. > > > > > > > > > >Buyer sends me a check for the purchase amount > > > > >plus something like $2.00 to cover postage and > > > > >handling. > > > > > > > > > >I deposit the check into my checking account > > > > and > > > > >advise the seller. Absent hearing from me > > > > that > > > > >the check bounced, seller sends to buyer ten > > > > days > > > > >after my deposit of buyer's check. This ten > > > > day > > > > >period should be plenty of time for me to > > > > learn > > > > >if the check is no good. > > > > > > > > > >Buyer notifies me when item arrives and I send > > > > my > > > > >personal check to seller. I only do what > > > > >mutually seller and buyer tell me to do. If > > > > >buyer is unhappy with the merchandise, buyer > > > > >returns it to seller at his expense and I > > > > return > > > > >buyer's purchase price. If there is a > > > > squabble, > > > > >I hold onto the money until the squabble is > > > > >worked out. Parties would have to do a reply > > > > to > > > > >my instructions agreeing to this procedure or > > > > >some other procedure that they agree upon. I > > > > >would, of course, assume to liability for > > > > >anything other than that set forth in the > > > > >agreement. OK...getting to legaleze now so > > > > I'll > > > > >stop. > > > > > > > > > >Yes, this may take close to a month to > > > > consummate > > > > >but everyone knows for sure that the item > > > > arrived > > > > >and the money will, too. > > > > > > > > > >Anyone wanting to use this process merely > > > > shoots > > > > >me an e-mail off the net and all subsequent > > > > >e-mails are off the net. > > > > > > > > > >Ok...I'm done. > > > > > > > > > >Tim > > > > >Lake Arrowhead, California > > > > >timwbrown@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Edwin Blocher > > > > wrote: > > > > >> Tim Brown is a KR guy and on the KR Net. I'd > > > > >> sure rather pay him a fee than > > > > >> E-Bay. My gut feeling is that for the KR Net > > > > >> guys his fee would little to > > > > >> nothing. How about it Tim? > > > > >> Ed Blocher > > > > >> Santa Rosa Beach, FL > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > > > >Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's > > > > Day > > > > >http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >To post to the list, email: > > > > krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > > > > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > > >For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > > > >See the KRNet archives at > > > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > > >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. > > > > Upgrade now! > > > > > > > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail > > > > account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To post to the list, email: > > > > krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at > > > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day > > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:30:47 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Re:Escrow Services/Stop Fraud Message-ID: <20030220053047.11014.qmail@web40904.mail.yahoo.com> Ed and Tim, I carefully read what Tim ORIGINALLY said about the escrow account and then I couldn't figure out why he suddenly decided it would be simpler to just send a cashier's check. I thought he somehow lost sight of the problem with one party sending money and the other not sending product. Thanks to your explanation to Phil, I now understand that you both were just offering up ideas about how to make his ORIGINAL escrow offer simpler and quicker. Makes sense. Thank for clearing it up, Ed, Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX --- Edwin Blocher wrote: > Lets start over again. Go back and read how Tim > Briwn proposed the escrow > account would work. > I'm no lawyer but I believe Escrow basically is > moneys held until both > parties are satisfied. Money orders or certified > checks would eliminate the > waiting period for a check to clear. Either way the > money is held in Escrow > until both parties are satisfied. > Tim said the checks would be deposited in his > account and after clearing he > would advise both parties and complete the > transaction after both were > satisfied. Again"pay by check and wait an extra ten > days". > I'm through talking about this because as always too > many don't understand > what's going on because they don't pay attention to > what they are reading, > and that is not limited to this subject. > ED > Ed Blocher > Santa Rosa Beach, FL > eblocher@earthlink.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phillip Matheson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:57 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Re:Escrow Services/Stop Fraud > > > > This is OK for the honest people, > > But how does this stop the money order from being > cashed, and NOT supply > the > > GOODS!! > > As we know, has been happening. > > > > Phil Matheson > > matheson@dodo.com.au > > 61 3 58833588 > > NSW > > Australia. > > See our VW engines at; > > www.vw-engines.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Edwin Blocher" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:45 PM > > Subject: Re: KR> Re:Escrow Services > > > > > > > Another thought. I get money orders without any > charge at my bank or you > > can > > > get them for a couple of bucks at the Post > Office. > > > Ed Blocher > > > Santa Rosa Beach, FL > > > eblocher@earthlink.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Tim Brown" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 4:58 PM > > > Subject: Re: KR> Re:Escrow Services > > > > > > > > > > The simple solution is to send a Cashier's > Check. > > > > > > > > Then a couple days in the mail to "escrow" and > a > > > > quick e-mail to the seller and the item is on > its > > > > way. That way, it really wouldn't take any > > > > longer than if you did it the way it has > always > > > > been done. > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > --- n886kr@netscape.net wrote: > > > > > Tim and KRnetters, > > > > > > > > > > I feel like we are making very positve > progress > > > > > in developing an effective means of ensuring > > > > > happy buyers and sellers. Are there any > > > > > suggestions from the KRnetters on electronic > > > > > transfer of funds, i.e. Pay Pal, etc. that > may > > > > > speed up the process. A month waiting on a > > > > > critical part could seem like an eternity > > > > > during prime flying season (Jan 1 thru Dec > 31) > > > > > :>). I certainly like the idea of any > > > > > dissatisfaction being handled off net. > > > > > > > > > > Rick Collins, N886KR Little Beast > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Ok I'll jump in now. > > > > > > > > > > > >My thought of how this would work is as > > > > > follows > > > > > >(and I'm open to ideas) > > > > > > > > > > > >Buyer and seller both contact me with brief > > > > > buyer > > > > > >seller details. > > > > > > > > > > > >Buyer sends me a check for the purchase > amount > > > > > >plus something like $2.00 to cover postage > and > > > > > >handling. > > > > > > > > > > > >I deposit the check into my checking > account > > > > > and > > > > > >advise the seller. Absent hearing from me > > > > > that > > > > > >the check bounced, seller sends to buyer > ten > > > > > days > > > > > >after my deposit of buyer's check. This > ten > > > > > day > > > > > >period should be plenty of time for me to > > > > > learn > > > > > >if the check is no good. > > > > > > > > > > > >Buyer notifies me when item arrives and I > send > > > > > my > > > > > >personal check to seller. I only do what > > > > > >mutually seller and buyer tell me to do. > If > > > > > >buyer is unhappy with the merchandise, > buyer > > > > > >returns it to seller at his expense and I > > > > > return > > > > > >buyer's purchase price. If there is a > > > > > squabble, > > > > > >I hold onto the money until the squabble is > > > > > >worked out. Parties would have to do a > reply > > > > > to > > > > > >my instructions agreeing to this procedure > or > > > > > >some other procedure that they agree upon. > I > > > > > >would, of course, assume to liability for > > > > > >anything other than that set forth in the > > > > > >agreement. OK...getting to legaleze now so > > > > > I'll > > > > > >stop. > > > > > > > > > > > >Yes, this may take close to a month to > > > > > consummate > > > > > >but everyone knows for sure that the item > > > > > arrived > > > > > >and the money will, too. > > > > > > > > > > > >Anyone wanting to use this process merely > > > > > shoots > > > > > >me an e-mail off the net and all subsequent > > > > > >e-mails are off the net. > > > > > > > > > > > >Ok...I'm done. > > > > > > > > > > > >Tim > > > > > >Lake Arrowhead, California > > > > > >timwbrown@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Edwin Blocher > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Tim Brown is a KR guy and on the KR Net. > I'd > > > > > >> sure rather pay him a fee than > > > > > >> E-Bay. My gut feeling is that for the KR > Net > > > > > >> guys his fee would little to > > > > > >> nothing. How about it Tim? > > > > > >> Ed Blocher > > > > > >> Santa Rosa Beach, FL __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:07:12 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: UlricMoh@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> what happened to the earth rounding kr? Message-ID: <19e.10d1df7d.2b855a10@aol.com> --part1_19e.10d1df7d.2b855a10_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Sporka, when you get news, even contact, tell him to visit Berlin-town via EDCE, Uli Mohr +49 172 380 7618. He is welcom, all is free. UliM --part1_19e.10d1df7d.2b855a10_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:35:43 -0600 To: From: "Justin" Subject: Bulkheads Message-ID: <000d01c2d891$2820f020$ed7ba8c0@computer> ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2D85E.DB637910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am to the point of plotting out my fuselage to join the 2 sides = together. My question is if you glue all the bulkheads in place for the = top, since you put the top on the table first. then when you flip it = around and put on the bottom, there is a different size. Meaning the = fuselage comes in closer on the bottom then the top? Is the correct or = not? So now you have the bulkheads that are in place being stressed for = this angle? Am I missing somethign or is there a trick? Justin ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2D85E.DB637910-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 01:36:00 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: BABYWOLF@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Bulkheads Message-ID: <41.2b5435d3.2b85d150@aol.com> --part1_41.2b5435d3.2b85d150_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit it was a lot easier for me to make 3 station molds out of 1by 2s I made one for the front and one for the main spar and and one for where i wanted the curve of the fuslage to stop behind the seat a mold is just a woodtrapazoid that is fastened to the work table and maintains the center line and upper and lower dimesions it really makes life easier --part1_41.2b5435d3.2b85d150_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 08:04:52 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: virgnvs@juno.com Subject: Re: KR> Bulkheads Message-ID: <20030220.081439.-491075.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Bottom crosspeices first, bevel the ends to fit. Flip fus and put in the top ones, Virg Do you have the plans ??? On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:35:43 -0600 "Justin" writes: > I am to the point of plotting out my fuselage to join the 2 sides > together. My question is if you glue all the bulkheads in place for > the top, since you put the top on the table first. then when you > flip it around and put on the bottom, there is a different size. > Meaning the fuselage comes in closer on the bottom then the top? Is > the correct or not? So now you have the bulkheads that are in place > being stressed for this angle? > > Am I missing somethign or is there a trick? > > Justin > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 05:18:40 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: KR> Bulkheads Message-ID: <20030220131840.59789.qmail@web40812.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1604409852-1045747120=:57778 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Justin, Inquiring minds want to know; What are you using for fuselage sides? Have you found an EAA sponsor or mentor to advise you, first-hand on your project? BABYWOLF@aol.com wrote:it was a lot easier for me to make 3 station molds out of 1by 2s I made one for the front and one for the main spar and and one for where i wanted the curve of the fuslage to stop behind the seat a mold is just a woodtrapazoid that is fastened to the work table and maintains the center line and upper and lower dimesions it really makes life easier Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Linden, MI s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more --0-1604409852-1045747120=:57778-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:40:44 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Escrow Services/Thanks Message-ID: <20030220054044.34354.qmail@web40908.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Larry, I read Ed's explanation to Phil first and that cleared it up. Frank --- larry flesner wrote: > At 10:03 PM 2/18/03 -0800, you wrote: > >I must be missing something here. > >I thought the problem was with people not getting > the > >product they paid for, not with the payment. > >How does cashier's checks and money orders help? > >Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > They are talking about a third party holding the > funds until the item > is shipped. The funds are released to the seller > after he/she is found > to be on the "up and up". It seems the money > orders or cashier > checks would have to be made to the third party in > case they have > to be cashed and returned. > > Larry Flesner __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 09:00:05 -0500 To: From: "harold woods" Subject: fuselage Message-ID: <001201c2d8e8$5f1948a0$03000004@baol.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C2D8BE.75E62C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Justin asks about the fuselage being wider at the top than at the = bottom. This is true. The bend does not stress the wood too much. Be = sure that you put the side skins on in such a manner that one skin goes = on the underside while the side is on the table and that the other skin = goes on the top side while the side is on the table. Thus when the two = sides are set up to accept the cross members, the skins will be on the = outside of the "boat". There is a hidden trick that no one seems to mention and that is when = you come to skin the bottom. Since the bottom is narrower than the top = and the side has been bent into a curve the longerons are no longer = "flat ", left and right accross the bottom of the fuselage. You should = sand or plane them using a long straight edge so that the bottom skin = will sit "flat" on both the cross members and the longerons. Good luck. Harold Woods Orillia, ON. Canada. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 2/13/03 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C2D8BE.75E62C80-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 08:38:53 -0700 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" From: "wstarrs" Subject: Fw: Subject: Mobile Phone Safety Important! Message-ID: <007a01c2d8f6$2cf98660$9200a8c0@bstarrs> ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C2D8BB.800B3FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Much of this also applies to aircraft ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob Francia=20 To: Undisclosed-recipients:=20 Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 6:36 AM Subject: Subject: Mobile Phone Safety Important! Mobile Phone Safety The Shell Oil Company recently issued a warning after three = incidents in which mobile phones (cell phones) ignited fumes during fueling = operations. In the first case, the phone was placed on the car's trunk lid = during fueling; it rang and the ensuing fire destroyed the car and the = gasoline pump. In the second, an individual suffered severe burns to their face = when fumes ignited as they answered a call while refueling their car. And in the third, an individual suffered burns to the thigh and = groin as fumes ignited when the phone, which was in their pocket, rang = while they were fueling their car. You should know that: Mobile Phones can ignite fuel or fumes Mobile phones that light up when switched on or when they ring release enough energy to provide = a spark for ignition Mobile phones should not be used in filling stations, = or when fueling lawn mowers, boat, etc. Mobile phones should not be used, or should be turned off, around other materials that generate flammable or explosive fumes or dust, = i.e., solvents, chemicals, gases, grain dust, etc. Another related topic for safe refueling regarding static = electricity causing fires at gas pumps...please pass on. Also included are some websites for more information: CELL PHONES CAUSING REFUELING FIRES FYI: Hopefully, most of you have heard that it's unsafe to smoke or use your cell phone while pumping gas. Now there's another safety = warning you should know about concerning static electricity. Below is an email from Pat Cabiling who works at Chevron Texaco's Richmond Refinery. To sum it up, here are the: Four Rules for Safe Refueling 1) Turn off engine 2) Don't smoke 3) Don't use your cell phone - leave it inside the vehicle or turn = it off 4) Don't reenter your vehicle during fueling Bob Renkes of Petroleum Equipment Institute is working on a campaign to try and make people aware of fires as a result of "static = electricity" at gas pumps. His company has researched 150 cases of these fires. = His results were very surprising: 1) Out of 150 cases, almost all of them were women. 2) Almost all cases involved the person getting back in their = vehicle while the nozzle was still pumping gas, when finished and they went back to pull the nozzle out the fire started, as a result of static. 3) Most had on rubber-soled shoes. 4) Most men never get back in their vehicle until completely = finished. This is why they are seldom involved in these types of fires. 5) Don't ever use cell phones when pumping gas 6) It is the vapors that come out of the gas that cause the fire, = when connected with static charges. 7) There were 29 fires where the vehicle was reentered and the = nozzle was touched during refueling from a variety of makes and models. = Some resulting in extensive damage to the vehicle, to the station, and to the customer. 8) Seventeen fires that occurred before, during or immediately after the gas cap was removed and before fueling began. Mr. Renkes stresses to NEVER get back into your vehicle while = filling it with gas. If you absolutely HAVE to get in your vehicle while the gas is pumping, make sure when you get out, close the door TOUCHING THE = METAL, before you ever pull the nozzle out. This way the static from = your body will be discharged before you ever remove the nozzle. As mentioned earlier, The Petroleum Equipment Institute, along with several other companies now, are really trying to make the public aware of this danger. You can find out more information by going to http://www.pei.org . Once here, click in the center of the screen where it says "Stop Static." I ask you to please send this information to ALL your family and friends, especially those who have kids in the car with them while pumping gas. If this were to happen to them, they may not be able to get the children out in time.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C2D8BB.800B3FA0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:47:25 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Subject: Mobile Phone Safety Important! Message-ID: I went to the website listed and did a search for "cell phones" this site came up. http://www.pei.org/faq/static.htm#2 It says pei has not documented a single fire from cell phone use. If you go to stop static you will see that pei says an email proported from them is circulating. Click these things before you send stuff like this, please. Dana Overall Richmond, KY http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive >From: "wstarrs" >Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org >To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" >Subject: KR> Fw: Subject: Mobile Phone Safety Important! >Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 08:38:53 -0700 > >Much of this also applies to aircraft >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bob Francia >To: Undisclosed-recipients: >Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 6:36 AM >Subject: Subject: Mobile Phone Safety Important! > > > > > > > > Mobile Phone Safety > > The Shell Oil Company recently issued a warning after three incidents >in > which mobile phones (cell phones) ignited fumes during fueling >operations. > > In the first case, the phone was placed on the car's trunk lid during > fueling; it rang and the ensuing fire destroyed the car and the >gasoline pump. > > In the second, an individual suffered severe burns to their face when > fumes ignited as they answered a call while refueling their car. > > And in the third, an individual suffered burns to the thigh and groin > as fumes ignited when the phone, which was in their pocket, rang while > they were fueling their car. > > You should know that: > Mobile Phones can ignite fuel or fumes Mobile phones that light up > when switched on or when they ring release enough energy to provide a >spark > for ignition Mobile phones should not be used in filling stations, or > when fueling lawn mowers, boat, etc. > > Mobile phones should not be used, or should be turned off, around > other materials that generate flammable or explosive fumes or dust, >i.e., > solvents, chemicals, gases, grain dust, etc. > > Another related topic for safe refueling regarding static electricity > causing fires at gas pumps...please pass on. > > Also included are some websites for more information: > CELL PHONES CAUSING REFUELING FIRES FYI: > > Hopefully, most of you have heard that it's unsafe to smoke or use > your cell phone while pumping gas. Now there's another safety warning >you > should know about concerning static electricity. Below is an email > from Pat Cabiling who works at Chevron Texaco's Richmond Refinery. > > To sum it up, here are the: Four Rules for Safe Refueling > > 1) Turn off engine > 2) Don't smoke > 3) Don't use your cell phone - leave it inside the vehicle or turn it >off > 4) Don't reenter your vehicle during fueling > > Bob Renkes of Petroleum Equipment Institute is working on a campaign > to try and make people aware of fires as a result of "static >electricity" > at gas pumps. His company has researched 150 cases of these fires. His > results were very surprising: > > 1) Out of 150 cases, almost all of them were women. > > 2) Almost all cases involved the person getting back in their vehicle > while the nozzle was still pumping gas, when finished and they went > back to pull the nozzle out the fire started, as a result of static. > > 3) Most had on rubber-soled shoes. > > 4) Most men never get back in their vehicle until completely finished. > This is why they are seldom involved in these types of fires. > > 5) Don't ever use cell phones when pumping gas > > 6) It is the vapors that come out of the gas that cause the fire, when > connected with static charges. > > 7) There were 29 fires where the vehicle was reentered and the nozzle > was touched during refueling from a variety of makes and models. Some > resulting in extensive damage to the vehicle, to the station, and to > the customer. > > 8) Seventeen fires that occurred before, during or immediately after > the gas cap was removed and before fueling began. > > Mr. Renkes stresses to NEVER get back into your vehicle while filling >it with gas. > > If you absolutely HAVE to get in your vehicle while the gas is > pumping, make sure when you get out, close the door TOUCHING THE >METAL, before you ever pull the nozzle out. This way the static from your >body will be > discharged before you ever remove the nozzle. > > As mentioned earlier, The Petroleum Equipment Institute, along with > several other companies now, are really trying to make the public > aware of this danger. You can find out more information by going to > http://www.pei.org . Once here, click in the > center of the screen where it says "Stop Static." > > I ask you to please send this information to ALL your family and > friends, especially those who have kids in the car with them while > pumping gas. If this were to happen to them, they may not be able to > get the children out in time. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:35:12 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: gleone Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Subject: Mobile Phone Safety Important! Message-ID: <3E552DEF.F73D99AC@tritel.net> --------------7D1994772C3B35850E156EFC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------BED8842D01FB3FEE99CD4885" --------------BED8842D01FB3FEE99CD4885 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is another site you might want to bookmark. It's the "HoaxBusters" web site. Before passing ANYTHING along, always visit one of these sites and verify it. I only post this on the KR-Net as the mobile phone thing was posted here and it falls into the hoax category which wastes bandwidth and clutters the KR files. Anyway, here's a link to bookmark: http://HoaxBusters.ciac.org/ Dana Overall wrote: > I went to the website listed and did a search for "cell phones" this site > came up. > > http://www.pei.org/faq/static.htm#2 > > It says pei has not documented a single fire from cell phone use. If you go > to stop static you will see that pei says an email proported from them is > circulating. Click these things before you send stuff like this, please. > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > http://rvflying.tripod.com > do not archive > > >From: "wstarrs" > >Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org > >To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" > >Subject: KR> Fw: Subject: Mobile Phone Safety Important! > >Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 08:38:53 -0700 > > > >Much of this also applies to aircraft > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bob Francia > >To: Undisclosed-recipients: > >Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 6:36 AM > >Subject: Subject: Mobile Phone Safety Important! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mobile Phone Safety > > > > The Shell Oil Company recently issued a warning after three incidents > >in > > which mobile phones (cell phones) ignited fumes during fueling > >operations. > > > > In the first case, the phone was placed on the car's trunk lid during > > fueling; it rang and the ensuing fire destroyed the car and the > >gasoline pump. > > > > In the second, an individual suffered severe burns to their face when > > fumes ignited as they answered a call while refueling their car. > > > > And in the third, an individual suffered burns to the thigh and groin > > as fumes ignited when the phone, which was in their pocket, rang while > > they were fueling their car. > > > > You should know that: > > Mobile Phones can ignite fuel or fumes Mobile phones that light up > > when switched on or when they ring release enough energy to provide a > >spark > > for ignition Mobile phones should not be used in filling stations, or > > when fueling lawn mowers, boat, etc. > > > > Mobile phones should not be used, or should be turned off, around > > other materials that generate flammable or explosive fumes or dust, > >i.e., > > solvents, chemicals, gases, grain dust, etc. > > > > Another related topic for safe refueling regarding static electricity > > causing fires at gas pumps...please pass on. > > > > Also included are some websites for more information: > > CELL PHONES CAUSING REFUELING FIRES FYI: > > > > Hopefully, most of you have heard that it's unsafe to smoke or use > > your cell phone while pumping gas. Now there's another safety warning > >you > > should know about concerning static electricity. Below is an email > > from Pat Cabiling who works at Chevron Texaco's Richmond Refinery. > > > > To sum it up, here are the: Four Rules for Safe Refueling > > > > 1) Turn off engine > > 2) Don't smoke > > 3) Don't use your cell phone - leave it inside the vehicle or turn it > >off > > 4) Don't reenter your vehicle during fueling > > > > Bob Renkes of Petroleum Equipment Institute is working on a campaign > > to try and make people aware of fires as a result of "static > >electricity" > > at gas pumps. His company has researched 150 cases of these fires. His > > results were very surprising: > > > > 1) Out of 150 cases, almost all of them were women. > > > > 2) Almost all cases involved the person getting back in their vehicle > > while the nozzle was still pumping gas, when finished and they went > > back to pull the nozzle out the fire started, as a result of static. > > > > 3) Most had on rubber-soled shoes. > > > > 4) Most men never get back in their vehicle until completely finished. > > This is why they are seldom involved in these types of fires. > > > > 5) Don't ever use cell phones when pumping gas > > > > 6) It is the vapors that come out of the gas that cause the fire, when > > connected with static charges. > > > > 7) There were 29 fires where the vehicle was reentered and the nozzle > > was touched during refueling from a variety of makes and models. Some > > resulting in extensive damage to the vehicle, to the station, and to > > the customer. > > > > 8) Seventeen fires that occurred before, during or immediately after > > the gas cap was removed and before fueling began. > > > > Mr. Renkes stresses to NEVER get back into your vehicle while filling > >it with gas. > > > > If you absolutely HAVE to get in your vehicle while the gas is > > pumping, make sure when you get out, close the door TOUCHING THE > >METAL, before you ever pull the nozzle out. This way the static from your > >body will be > > discharged before you ever remove the nozzle. > > > > As mentioned earlier, The Petroleum Equipment Institute, along with > > several other companies now, are really trying to make the public > > aware of this danger. You can find out more information by going to > > http://www.pei.org . Once here, click in the > > center of the screen where it says "Stop Static." > > > > I ask you to please send this information to ALL your family and > > friends, especially those who have kids in the car with them while > > pumping gas. If this were to happen to them, they may not be able to > > get the children out in time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files --------------BED8842D01FB3FEE99CD4885 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is another site you might want to bookmark.  It's the "HoaxBusters" web site.  Before passing ANYTHING along, always visit one of these sites and verify it.  I only post this on the KR-Net as the mobile phone thing was posted here and it falls into the hoax category which wastes bandwidth and clutters the KR files.  Anyway, here's a link to bookmark:

http://HoaxBusters.ciac.org/

Dana Overall wrote:

I went to the website listed and did a search for "cell phones" this site
came up.

http://www.pei.org/faq/static.htm#2

It says pei has not documented a single fire from cell phone use.  If you go
to stop static you will see that pei says an email proported from them is
circulating.  Click these things before you send stuff like this, please.

Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive

>From: "wstarrs" <wstarrs@netzero.net>
>Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org
>To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" <krnet@mailinglists.org>
>Subject: KR> Fw: Subject: Mobile Phone Safety  Important!
>Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 08:38:53 -0700
>
>Much of this also applies to aircraft
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Bob Francia
>To: Undisclosed-recipients:
>Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 6:36 AM
>Subject: Subject: Mobile Phone Safety Important!
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>     Mobile Phone Safety
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>     The Shell Oil Company recently issued a warning after three incidents
>in
>     which mobile phones (cell phones) ignited fumes during fueling
>operations.
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>     In the first case, the phone was placed on the car's trunk lid during
>     fueling; it rang and the ensuing fire destroyed the car and the
>gasoline pump.
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>     In the second, an individual suffered severe burns to their face when
>     fumes ignited as they answered a call while refueling their car.
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>     And in the third, an individual suffered burns to the thigh and groin
>     as fumes ignited when the phone, which was in their pocket, rang while
>     they were fueling their car.
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>     You should know that:
>     Mobile Phones can ignite fuel or fumes Mobile phones that light up
>     when switched on or when they ring release enough energy to provide a
>spark
>     for ignition Mobile phones should not be used in filling stations, or
>     when fueling lawn mowers, boat, etc.
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>     Mobile phones should not be used, or should be turned off, around
>     other materials that generate flammable or explosive fumes or dust,
>i.e.,
>     solvents, chemicals, gases, grain dust, etc.
>
>     Another related topic for safe refueling regarding static electricity
>     causing fires at gas pumps...please pass on.
>
>     Also included are some websites for more information:
>     CELL PHONES CAUSING REFUELING FIRES FYI:
>
>     Hopefully, most of you have heard that it's unsafe to smoke or use
>     your cell phone while pumping gas. Now there's another safety warning
>you
>     should know about concerning static electricity. Below is an email
>     from Pat Cabiling who works at Chevron Texaco's Richmond Refinery.
>
>     To sum it up, here are the: Four Rules for Safe Refueling
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>     1) Turn off engine
>     2) Don't smoke
>     3) Don't use your cell phone - leave it inside the vehicle or turn it
>off
>     4) Don't reenter your vehicle during fueling
>
>     Bob Renkes of Petroleum Equipment Institute is working on a campaign
>     to try and make people aware of fires as a result of "static
>electricity"
>     at gas pumps. His company has researched 150 cases of these fires. His
>     results were very surprising:
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>     1) Out of 150 cases, almost all of them were women.
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>     2) Almost all cases involved the person getting back in their vehicle
>     while the nozzle was still pumping gas, when finished and they went
>     back to pull the nozzle out the fire started, as a result of static.
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>     3) Most had on rubber-soled shoes.
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>     4) Most men never get back in their vehicle until completely finished.
>     This is why they are seldom involved in these types of fires.
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>     5) Don't ever use cell phones when pumping gas
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>     6) It is the vapors that come out of the gas that cause the fire, when
>     connected with static charges.
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>     7) There were 29 fires where the vehicle was reentered and the nozzle
>     was touched during refueling from a variety of makes and models. Some
>     resulting in extensive damage to the vehicle, to the station, and to
>     the customer.
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>     8) Seventeen fires that occurred before, during or immediately after
>     the gas cap was removed and before fueling began.
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>     Mr. Renkes stresses to NEVER get back into your vehicle while filling
>it with gas.
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>     If you absolutely HAVE to get in your vehicle while the gas is
>     pumping, make sure when you get out, close the door TOUCHING THE
>METAL, before you ever pull the nozzle out. This way the static from your
>body will be
>     discharged before you ever remove the nozzle.
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>     As mentioned earlier, The Petroleum Equipment Institute, along with
>     several other companies now, are really trying to make the public
>     aware of this danger. You can find out more information by going to
>     http://www.pei.org <http://www.pei.org>  . Once here, click in the
>     center of the screen where it says "Stop Static."
>
>     I ask you to please send this information to ALL your family and
>     friends, especially those who have kids in the car with them while
>     pumping gas. If this were to happen to them, they may not be able to
>     get the children out in time.
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