From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 26 Feb 2003 00:20:47 -0000 Issue 641 Date: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 5:21 PM krnet Digest 26 Feb 2003 00:20:47 -0000 Issue 641 Topics (messages 15381 through 15405): Re: Post of this week - WHAT TYPE MATERIAL ARE YOU USING FOR THE WINDSHIELDS? HOW THICK? 15381 by: Al Friesen Re: KR2S general flight ops and feedback 15382 by: Al Friesen Re: moving tail feathers 15383 by: Justin 15385 by: foamhead.ls.net Re: RPM / MP /Mixture 15384 by: Dana Overall Re: WHAT TYPE MATERIAL ARE YOU USING FOR THE WINDSHIELDS? HOW THICK? 15386 by: Dan Heath 15387 by: Deems Herring 15388 by: gleone 15393 by: Chris Giesel Lexan... poor scratch resisitance 15389 by: Ron Freiberger 15400 by: Deems Herring 15404 by: Dan Heath Re: N4DD 15390 by: JEAN VERON 15391 by: Mark Langford 15392 by: Wayne 15396 by: Dan Heath 15399 by: JEAN VERON 15405 by: Dan Heath emails emails emails 15394 by: Matthew Livermore 15395 by: Dan Heath 15397 by: Rick Wilson 15398 by: Ron Freiberger 15401 by: Howcroft Red Oak 15402 by: AviationMech.aol.com 15403 by: Dan Heath Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 07:56:09 -0800 To: From: "Al Friesen" Subject: Re: KR> Post of this week - WHAT TYPE MATERIAL ARE YOU USING FOR THE WINDSHIELDS? HOW THICK? Message-ID: <007901c2dc2c$63d88080$0c5d7240@s8z8i0> Dan, I used 1/8 lexan without heat, I bent it to the shape of my windshield and it fit real good . Lexan has a distortion which is livable but would use acrylic and would bend it the same way, I think. Al Friesen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:00:21 -0800 To: From: "Al Friesen" Subject: Re: KR> KR2S general flight ops and feedback Message-ID: <007a01c2dc2c$64b2b3e0$0c5d7240@s8z8i0> Brian, The KR2S is a good single seater with 2 seat capability. As a cross country it is a tight fit but doable. Al ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 18:43:41 -0600 To: From: "Justin" Subject: Re: KR> moving tail feathers Message-ID: <001f01c2dc66$f15e9e00$dcda1818@computer> If you moved your tail you made the fuselage longer? Why would you move it down? Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 3:57 PM Subject: KR> moving tail feathers > I am moving the tail feathers back and down about 12" on my KR2. pic at > foamhead.com - builder pages - KR2 bob farmer > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 06:51:25 -0500 (EST) To: From: Subject: Re: KR> moving tail feathers Message-ID: <35356.205.188.209.6.1046173885.squirrel@webmail.ls.net> "Lifting surfaces wing and tail are arranged such that the aft surface may suffer adverse interactional effects from the forward surface. It is generally better to keep the angle between the two lifting surfaces outside the range 5. to 19. deg." The KR falls in this range. This is the report that Airplane PDQ gave me. Lowering the hor. tail surface also will allow assembly and removal of control surfaces without cutting holes in the plane. I am one of those people that just can't leave things alone. Bob > If you moved your tail you made the fuselage longer? Why would you move > it down? > > Justin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 3:57 PM > Subject: KR> moving tail feathers > > >> I am moving the tail feathers back and down about 12" on my KR2. pic >> at foamhead.com - builder pages - KR2 bob farmer >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" >> >> To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org >> >> See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or >> http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files >> >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To > post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or > http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:59:03 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> RPM / MP /Mixture Message-ID: For those who want some interesting reading, do a search for GAMI injectors and "lean of peak". Lean of peak and leaning just rich of peak are two different things. You actually go past the curve and see temp drops along with decreased fuel consumption. It takes a lot more pricey toys than I can afford on by Bonanza, but it makes for some interesting reading, as Ron said. Suffice to say you must have the ability to control, and moniter, the mixture of each cylinder. I know this has nothing to do with KR so slap me with a wet noddle, but it is some interested reading. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive > Run rich of peak and cool the valves, Virg > >On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:29:53 -0700 Ron Lee writes: > > Let's consider the other biggie. Mixture control. I do not > > have a CS prop so throttle and mixture are my two variables. > > > > I have been reading the AvWeb Pelican Perch articles on > > leaning and am totally clear on his points. There is a region > > below 8000' that you should not run around peak EGT. It varies > > based upon percent of maximum power. > > > > I am not sure why the limits on rich of peak vs lean of peak are > > applied unless it is loss of power versus excess fuel consumption. > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > Ron Lee > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > > all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > >Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL >WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:46:10 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: WHAT TYPE MATERIAL ARE YOU USING FOR THE WINDSHIELDS? HOW THICK? Message-Id: <3E5B8FC2.000001.01172@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_YSFVQL80000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Al,=0D =0D I think that if the bends are gentle, you can get away with using Lexan a= nd 1/8", but if you use Acrylic, you will need to go thicker, and Acrylic is not made to be cold formed and at 3/16, is very hard to bend.=0D =0D I received an E-Mail from Troy Pettiway, in response to my question about his Lexan windshield and he had the same problem and was replacing it.=0D =0D I talked to Marty at the last gathering, about a Lexan windshield he had = at one time. He told me that it also had cracks in the area of the bend. O= nce on approach, it blew out on one side. He replaced it with Acrylic.=0D =0D While Lexan has many great properties, it has too many bad ones for me to give it any further consideration unless you were going to use it with gentle bends and in a way that would allow for it's easy replacement.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Monday, February 24, 2003 05:31:57 PM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: Re: KR> Post of this week - WHAT TYPE MATERIAL ARE YOU USING FOR THE WINDSHIELDS? HOW THICK?=0D =0D Dan,=0D I used 1/8 lexan without heat, I bent it to the shape of my windshield an= d=0D it fit real good . Lexan has a distortion which is livable but would use=0D acrylic and would bend it the same way, I think. Al Friesen=0D =0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_YSFVQL80000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:12:03 -0600 To: From: "Deems Herring" Subject: RE: KR> Re: WHAT TYPE MATERIAL ARE YOU USING FOR THE WINDSHIELDS? HOW THICK? Message-ID: <000901c2dcd7$df44e9b0$6500a8c0@BackOffice> Lexan is good for large radius curves. Look at the front wind screen on a Sonex, that is a piece of lexan held in a simple curve by the frame and it is available with a scratch resistant surface. Compound or tight radius curves need a material you can heat form, blow or vacuum form such as acrylic. Deems Herring, Baudette Minnesota mailto:ballross@wiktel.com -----Original Message----- From: Dan Heath [mailto:DanRH@AllTel.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:46 AM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Re: WHAT TYPE MATERIAL ARE YOU USING FOR THE WINDSHIELDS? HOW THICK? Al, I think that if the bends are gentle, you can get away with using Lexan and 1/8", but if you use Acrylic, you will need to go thicker, and Acrylic is not made to be cold formed and at 3/16, is very hard to bend. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:32:00 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: gleone Subject: Re: KR> Re: WHAT TYPE MATERIAL ARE YOU USING FOR THE WINDSHIELDS? HOW THICK? Message-ID: <3E5B7050.896B323D@tritel.net> --------------0786578FF296F686D8FEE60B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lexan is also good for "flat" windscreens like in the Hyperbipe and BD-4. If you want to build a turtle deck with rear ports, it is easy to do with Lexan and relatively cheap compared to Acrylic. Deems Herring wrote: > Lexan is good for large radius curves. Look at the front wind screen on a > Sonex, that is a piece of lexan held in a simple curve by the frame and it > is available with a scratch resistant surface. Compound or tight radius > curves need a material you can heat form, blow or vacuum form such as > acrylic. > > Deems Herring, Baudette Minnesota > mailto:ballross@wiktel.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Heath [mailto:DanRH@AllTel.net] > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:46 AM > To: KRnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: KR> Re: WHAT TYPE MATERIAL ARE YOU USING FOR THE WINDSHIELDS? HOW > THICK? > > Al, > > I think that if the bends are gentle, you can get away with using Lexan and > 1/8", but if you use Acrylic, you will need to go thicker, and Acrylic is > not made to be cold formed and at 3/16, is very hard to bend. > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files --------------0786578FF296F686D8FEE60B-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:30:44 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Chris Giesel" Subject: Re: KR> Re: WHAT TYPE MATERIAL ARE YOU USING FOR THE WINDSHIELDS? HOW THICK? Message-ID: All: Please note that the windshield seems to be expecially important if you look at the faa/ntsb crash reports for the kr2. a complete loss of canopy resulted in total blanking of rear surfaces resulting in loss of control and death. >From: gleone >Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org >To: KRnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: Re: KR> Re: WHAT TYPE MATERIAL ARE YOU USING FOR THE WINDSHIELDS? >HOW THICK? >Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:32:00 -0600 > >Lexan is also good for "flat" windscreens like in the Hyperbipe and BD-4. >If >you want to build a turtle deck with rear ports, it is easy to do with >Lexan >and relatively cheap compared to Acrylic. > >Deems Herring wrote: > > > Lexan is good for large radius curves. Look at the front wind screen on >a > > Sonex, that is a piece of lexan held in a simple curve by the frame and >it > > is available with a scratch resistant surface. Compound or tight radius > > curves need a material you can heat form, blow or vacuum form such as > > acrylic. > > > > Deems Herring, Baudette Minnesota > > mailto:ballross@wiktel.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dan Heath [mailto:DanRH@AllTel.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:46 AM > > To: KRnet@mailinglists.org > > Subject: KR> Re: WHAT TYPE MATERIAL ARE YOU USING FOR THE WINDSHIELDS? >HOW > > THICK? > > > > Al, > > > > I think that if the bends are gentle, you can get away with using Lexan >and > > 1/8", but if you use Acrylic, you will need to go thicker, and Acrylic >is > > not made to be cold formed and at 3/16, is very hard to bend. > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003 > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:17:30 -0500 To: From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: Lexan... poor scratch resisitance Message-ID: Lexan is a marvelous material, and about 3/8 thick it is an effective shield against small arms fire. However, it has very poor scratch resistance, and is NOT SUITABLE for a windshield. Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: Dan Heath [mailto:DanRH@AllTel.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:46 AM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Re: WHAT TYPE MATERIAL ARE YOU USING FOR THE WINDSHIELDS? HOW THICK? Al, I think that if the bends are gentle, you can get away with using Lexan and 1/8", but if you use Acrylic, you will need to go thicker, and Acrylic is not made to be cold formed and at 3/16, is very hard to bend. I received an E-Mail from Troy Pettiway, in response to my question about his Lexan windshield and he had the same problem and was replacing it. I talked to Marty at the last gathering, about a Lexan windshield he had at one time. He told me that it also had cracks in the area of the bend. Once on approach, it blew out on one side. He replaced it with Acrylic. While Lexan has many great properties, it has too many bad ones for me to give it any further consideration unless you were going to use it with gentle bends and in a way that would allow for it's easy replacement. N64KR Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Red Oak - 2003 See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org -------Original Message------- From: KRnet@mailinglists.org Date: Monday, February 24, 2003 05:31:57 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Post of this week - WHAT TYPE MATERIAL ARE YOU USING FOR THE WINDSHIELDS? HOW THICK? Dan, I used 1/8 lexan without heat, I bent it to the shape of my windshield and it fit real good . Lexan has a distortion which is livable but would use acrylic and would bend it the same way, I think. Al Friesen --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:59:12 -0600 To: , From: "Deems Herring" Subject: RE: KR> Lexan... poor scratch resisitance Message-ID: <003301c2dd29$e5c0ca50$6500a8c0@BackOffice> You are generalizing about a product. There are well over a dozen = different kinds of "Lexan some are scratch resistant some are not, some can be = formed, some are only suitable for flat plate use. Below is an excerpt from GE's = web site on a grade of Lexan that is both scratch resistant and formable: LEXAN=AE CTG sheet is a two-side, hard-coated polycarbonate material = offering excellent impact resistance, optical clarity, and abrasion resistance. = LEXAN CTG, in gauges exceeding .040", meets all requirements of ANSI = Z87.1-1989, the industrial standard for personal safety. LEXAN CTG sheet offers = superior personal safety when utilized for face shields, safety glasses, or = goggles. Easily fabricated, LEXAN CTG sheet also offers protection from = ultraviolet radiation. LEXAN CTG sheet is available in sheet form and can be cold-formed, heat drape formed to soft radii, and die cut to shape. Check out http://www.gestructuredproducts.com/sp1/gesp_amer/index.jsp and you can = find data sheets and technical papers on the different types of lexan, their properties and how to properly form them. Deems Herring, Baudette Minnesota mailto:ballross@wiktel.com -----Original Message----- From: Ron Freiberger [mailto:rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:18 AM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Lexan... poor scratch resisitance Lexan is a marvelous material, and about 3/8 thick it is an effective = shield against small arms fire. However, it has very poor scratch resistance, = and is NOT SUITABLE for a windshield. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003 =20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:23:22 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: RE: KR> Lexan... poor scratch resisitance Message-Id: <3E5C332A.00000C.01172@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_Y2CW7TH0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The next thing you need to do is to look at the price of those other Lexa= n options.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 03:59:39 PM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org; rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com=0D Subject: RE: KR> Lexan... poor scratch resisitance=0D =0D You are generalizing about a product. There are well over a dozen differe= nt=0D kinds of "Lexan some are scratch resistant some are not, some can be form= ed,=0D some are only suitable for flat plate use. Below is an excerpt from GE's = web=0D site on a grade of Lexan that is both scratch resistant and formable:=0D LEXAN=AE CTG sheet is a two-side, hard-coated polycarbonate material offe= ring=0D excellent impact resistance, optical clarity, and abrasion resistance. LE= XAN=0D CTG, in gauges exceeding .040", meets all requirements of ANSI Z87.1-1989= ,=0D the industrial standard for personal safety. LEXAN CTG sheet offers super= ior=0D personal safety when utilized for face shields, safety glasses, or goggle= s.=0D Easily fabricated, LEXAN CTG sheet also offers protection from ultraviole= t=0D radiation. LEXAN CTG sheet is available in sheet form and can be=0D cold-formed, heat drape formed to soft radii, and die cut to shape.=0D =0D Check out=0D http://www.gestructuredproducts.com/sp1/gesp_amer/index.jsp and you can f= ind=0D data sheets and technical papers on the different types of lexan, their=0D properties and how to properly form them.=0D =0D Deems Herring, Baudette Minnesota=0D mailto:ballross@wiktel.com=0D =0D =0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: Ron Freiberger [mailto:rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com] =0D Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:18 AM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: KR> Lexan... poor scratch resisitance=0D =0D =0D Lexan is a marvelous material, and about 3/8 thick it is an effective shi= eld=0D against small arms fire. However, it has very poor scratch resistance, an= d=0D is NOT SUITABLE for a windshield.=0D =0D =0D ---=0D Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.=0D Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).=0D Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003=0D =0D =0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org=0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E --------------Boundary-00=_Y2CW7TH0000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:18:04 -0600 To: "KRNet" From: "JEAN VERON" Subject: Re: KR> N4DD Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2DCBF.90D7C800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable N4DD was built by Dan Diehl in 1976. I converted it to Cont. O-200 power = about 2 years ago. It has about 40 hours on it since rebuild. New crank, = mags and bearings. Icom A-200 comm., ARC transponder,AmeriKing encoder, F= lightcom intercom, wired for handheld GPS and ELT. Aircraft is located at= R.L. Jones Riverside Airport in Jenks, OK (a suburb of Tulsa). Asking $1= 2,500. =20 Sorry to use KRNet space for this but Fran did not send me his address. ----- Original Message ----- From: Fran Giroux Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 10:00 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Robert Cringley I am looking for a KR2. What is the story on N4DD? Fran ----- Original Message ----- From: "JEAN VERON" To: "KRNet" Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 8:19 PM Subject: KR> Robert Cringley I am sorry to have to use the net but I have lost Mr. Cringleys E-mail address. The fellow that was going to buy N4DD has not responded so if yo= u are still interested contact me direct. Thanks Jean --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =20 For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2DCBF.90D7C800-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:05:22 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> N4DD Message-ID: <001e01c2dcf8$99644280$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> Jean Veron wrote: >Sorry to use KRNet space for this but Fran did not send me his address. No apology required. Planes, projects, or parts for sale are always welcome! Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:21:51 -0800 To: , "Mark Langford" From: "Wayne" Subject: Re: KR> N4DD Message-ID: <003701c2dcfa$c4d4a480$6601a8c0@HISPEEDWIRELESS.COM> No apology espesialy for this particular plane. I think we all would like to see this historic KR keep flying for a long time. Thanks Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Langford To: Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:05 AM Subject: Re: KR> N4DD > Jean Veron wrote: > > >Sorry to use KRNet space for this but Fran did not send me his address. > > No apology required. Planes, projects, or parts for sale are always > welcome! > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:22:44 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> N4DD Message-Id: <3E5C24F4.000008.01172@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_W99WRN00000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am a little surprised that Dan hasn't grabbed N4DD back. If I had the money, it would be a no-brainer. I sure hope someone get it who wants to keep it flying for a long long time. It sure would be great if N4DD coul= d make it to the gatherings again.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 09:18:26 AM=0D To: KRNet=0D Subject: Re: KR> N4DD=0D =0D N4DD was built by Dan Diehl in 1976. I converted it to Cont. O-200 power about 2 years ago. It has about 40 hours on it since rebuild. New crank, mags and bearings. Icom A-200 comm., ARC transponder,AmeriKing encoder, Flightcom intercom, wired for handheld GPS and ELT. Aircraft is located a= t R L. Jones Riverside Airport in Jenks, OK (a suburb of Tulsa). Asking $12,5= 00. =0D Sorry to use KRNet space for this but Fran did not send me his address.=0D =0D ----- Original Message -----=0D From: Fran Giroux=0D Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 10:00 PM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: Re: KR> Robert Cringley=0D =0D I am looking for a KR2. What is the story on N4DD?=0D =0D Fran=0D =0D ----- Original Message -----=0D From: "JEAN VERON" =0D To: "KRNet" =0D Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 8:19 PM=0D Subject: KR> Robert Cringley=0D =0D =0D I am sorry to have to use the net but I have lost Mr. Cringleys E-mail=0D address. The fellow that was going to buy N4DD has not responded so if yo= u=0D are still interested contact me direct.=0D Thanks=0D Jean=0D =0D =0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files --------------Boundary-00=_W99WRN00000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:45:40 -0600 To: "KRNet" From: "JEAN VERON" Subject: Re: KR> N4DD Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2DCF5.B641A990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dan is now into restoring antique boats. In fact I offered it to him firs= t but he just said "been there, done that". Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Heath Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 5:19 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> N4DD I am a little surprised that Dan hasn't grabbed N4DD back. If I had the money, it would be a no-brainer. I sure hope someone get it who wants to keep it flying for a long long time. It sure would be great if N4DD coul= d make it to the gatherings again. N64KR Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Red Oak - 2003 See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org -------Original Message------- From: KRnet@mailinglists.org Date: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 09:18:26 AM To: KRNet Subject: Re: KR> N4DD N4DD was built by Dan Diehl in 1976. I converted it to Cont. O-200 power about 2 years ago. It has about 40 hours on it since rebuild. New crank, mags and bearings. Icom A-200 comm., ARC transponder,AmeriKing encoder, Flightcom intercom, wired for handheld GPS and ELT. Aircraft is located a= t R L. Jones Riverside Airport in Jenks, OK (a suburb of Tulsa). Asking $12,5= 00. Sorry to use KRNet space for this but Fran did not send me his address. ----- Original Message ----- From: Fran Giroux Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 10:00 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Robert Cringley I am looking for a KR2. What is the story on N4DD? Fran ----- Original Message ----- From: "JEAN VERON" To: "KRNet" Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 8:19 PM Subject: KR> Robert Cringley I am sorry to have to use the net but I have lost Mr. Cringleys E-mail address. The fellow that was going to buy N4DD has not responded so if yo= u are still interested contact me direct. Thanks Jean --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =20 For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2DCF5.B641A990-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:25:13 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> N4DD Message-Id: <3E5C3399.00000E.01172@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_16CWXFP0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That is too bad, I thought he would be more interested. I hope you make sure it goes to a good home, so to speak.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 03:57:25 PM=0D To: KRNet=0D Subject: Re: KR> N4DD=0D =0D Dan is now into restoring antique boats. In fact I offered it to him firs= t but he just said "been there, done that".=0D Jean=0D =0D ----- Original Message -----=0D From: Dan Heath=0D Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 5:19 PM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: Re: KR> N4DD=0D =0D I am a little surprised that Dan hasn't grabbed N4DD back. If I had the=0D money, it would be a no-brainer. I sure hope someone get it who wants to=0D keep it flying for a long long time. It sure would be great if N4DD could= =0D make it to the gatherings again.=0D =0D =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D =0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D =0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D =0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D =0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D =0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D =0D Date: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 09:18:26 AM=0D =0D To: KRNet=0D =0D Subject: Re: KR> N4DD=0D =0D =0D =0D N4DD was built by Dan Diehl in 1976. I converted it to Cont. O-200 power=0D about 2 years ago. It has about 40 hours on it since rebuild. New crank,=0D mags and bearings. Icom A-200 comm., ARC transponder,AmeriKing encoder,=0D Flightcom intercom, wired for handheld GPS and ELT. Aircraft is located a= t R=0D L. Jones Riverside Airport in Jenks, OK (a suburb of Tulsa). Asking $12,5= 00.=0D =0D =0D Sorry to use KRNet space for this but Fran did not send me his address.=0D =0D =0D =0D ----- Original Message -----=0D =0D From: Fran Giroux=0D =0D Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 10:00 PM=0D =0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D =0D Subject: Re: KR> Robert Cringley=0D =0D =0D =0D I am looking for a KR2. What is the story on N4DD?=0D =0D =0D =0D Fran=0D =0D =0D =0D ----- Original Message -----=0D =0D From: "JEAN VERON" =0D =0D To: "KRNet" =0D =0D Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 8:19 PM=0D =0D Subject: KR> Robert Cringley=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D I am sorry to have to use the net but I have lost Mr. Cringleys E-mail=0D =0D address. The fellow that was going to buy N4DD has not responded so if yo= u=0D =0D are still interested contact me direct.=0D =0D Thanks=0D =0D Jean=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D =0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D =0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D =0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D =0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files --------------Boundary-00=_16CWXFP0000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 20:53:32 +0000 (GMT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Matthew=20Livermore?= Subject: emails emails emails Message-ID: <20030225205332.80218.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> I have just joined the KR mailing list, in hope of learning constructive things about the KR2S in particular... I diligently read the page long instruction not to send email unless useful, now to be bombarded by email to my desktop essentially saying: " " (?) constructive... Funny, I thought the internet was a research tool! :( I hope that this is the exception and not the rule. In regards to canopy construction, Lowe has written a book where he explains in detail the procedure for fabricating a canopy from plastics in a female mold, for a VLA.If anyone is bothered for a more precise reference, please say so! If I'm speaking irrelevance, by all means "can" me...but say why!(So I learn something!) Thanks, Matt. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:19:05 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> emails emails emails Message-Id: <3E5C2419.000006.01172@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_T39W12S0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matt,=0D =0D Did you have a point?=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:54:08 PM=0D To: krnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: KR> emails emails emails=0D =0D I have just joined the KR mailing list, in hope=0D of learning constructive things about the KR2S=0D in particular...=0D I diligently read the page long instruction not=0D to send email unless useful, now to be bombarded=0D by email to my desktop essentially saying: =0D " " (?) constructive...=0D =0D Funny, I thought the internet was a research=0D tool!=0D :(=0D =0D I hope that this is the exception and not the=0D rule.=0D =0D In regards to canopy construction, Lowe has=0D written a book where he explains in detail the=0D procedure for fabricating a canopy from plastics=0D in a female mold, for a VLA.If anyone is bothered=0D for a more precise reference, please say so!=0D If I'm speaking irrelevance, by all means "can"=0D me...but say why!(So I learn something!)=0D =0D Thanks, =0D Matt.=0D =0D __________________________________________________=0D Do You Yahoo!?=0D Everything you'll ever need on one web page=0D from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts=0D http://uk.my.yahoo.com=0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_T39W12S0000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:29:38 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Rick Wilson Subject: Re: KR> emails emails emails Message-ID: <20030225232938.75816.qmail@web21210.mail.yahoo.com> Matt, Would you please explain what the heck you're talking about? I'd like to learn that. Rick. --- Matthew Livermore wrote: > I have just joined the KR mailing list, in hope > of learning constructive things about the KR2S > in particular... > I diligently read the page long instruction not > to send email unless useful, now to be bombarded > by email to my desktop essentially saying: > " " (?) constructive... > > Funny, I thought the internet was a research > tool! > :( > > I hope that this is the exception and not the > rule. > > In regards to canopy construction, Lowe has > written a book where he explains in detail the > procedure for fabricating a canopy from plastics > in a female mold, for a VLA.If anyone is bothered > for a more precise reference, please say so! > If I'm speaking irrelevance, by all means "can" > me...but say why!(So I learn something!) > > Thanks, > Matt. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:53:06 -0500 To: From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> emails emails emails Message-ID: Maybe he was trying to say " " ? Well, maybe???? Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: Rick Wilson [mailto:rwdw2002@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 6:30 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> emails emails emails Matt, Would you please explain what the heck you're talking about? I'd like to learn that. Rick. --- Matthew Livermore wrote: > I have just joined the KR mailing list, in hope > of learning constructive things about the KR2S > in particular... > I diligently read the page long instruction not > to send email unless useful, now to be bombarded > by email to my desktop essentially saying: > " " (?) constructive... > > Funny, I thought the internet was a research > tool! > :( > > I hope that this is the exception and not the > rule. > > In regards to canopy construction, Lowe has > written a book where he explains in detail the > procedure for fabricating a canopy from plastics > in a female mold, for a VLA.If anyone is bothered > for a more precise reference, please say so! > If I'm speaking irrelevance, by all means "can" > me...but say why!(So I learn something!) > > Thanks, > Matt. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:58:29 +1300 To: From: "Howcroft" Subject: Re: KR> emails emails emails Message-ID: <001a01c2dd29$f13e8840$55d91bca@Margaret> Please post e-mail.Address and name or Publisher ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:59:08 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Red Oak Message-ID: <1d7.3aae729.2b8d5d4c@aol.com> --part1_1d7.3aae729.2b8d5d4c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Was the date for Red Oak ever set ????? AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech --part1_1d7.3aae729.2b8d5d4c_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:21:50 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Red Oak Message-Id: <3E5C32CE.00000A.01172@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_E0CWH890000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable KR GATHERING 2003=0D September 11 - 14, 2003=0D Red Oak, Iowa=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D http://www.krgathering.org=0D =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 04:00:02 PM=0D To: krnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: KR> Red Oak=0D =0D Was the date for Red Oak ever set ?????=0D =0D AviationMech=0D KR-2 N110LR=0D 1984 to Present=0D www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech --------------Boundary-00=_E0CWH890000000000000-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************