From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 3 Mar 2003 07:30:59 -0000 Issue 646 Date: Monday, March 03, 2003 12:31 AM krnet Digest 3 Mar 2003 07:30:59 -0000 Issue 646 Topics (messages 15517 through 15546): Re: dual stick setup 15517 by: Mark Jones 15521 by: Dan Heath 15522 by: Mark Langford 15525 by: Robert Stone 15528 by: Mark Langford 15529 by: Phillip Matheson UV protection 15518 by: Darren Pond 15538 by: Brian Kraut Re: Landing gear 15519 by: Justin 15524 by: Mark Jones 15533 by: AviationMech.aol.com 15534 by: AviationMech.aol.com 15537 by: Brian Kraut 15544 by: Frank Ross 15545 by: Justin Re: Web Page Update 15520 by: Justin 15523 by: Mark Jones Revflow Carb Exploded View 15526 by: Al Friesen Oshkosh Presentation 15527 by: Jim Faughn PDA's with GPS 15530 by: kleirfall.ecomail.org OPEN COCKPIT 15531 by: Cowgirlflying.wmconnect.com 15535 by: Mark Jones 15536 by: Brian Kraut 15546 by: Frank Ross Crossmember jig 15532 by: Justin KR pilot needed 15539 by: Brian Kraut 15540 by: Ron Lee 15541 by: Brian Kraut 15543 by: USAFWalker.aol.com Sun-N-Fun 15542 by: Brian Kraut Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 22:46:37 -0600 To: , "Mark Langford" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> dual stick setup Message-ID: <001f01c2e076$b5a753c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Oh great Langford...you designed a nice new dual stick and make me envious.....well, you are doing some nice work there and buying me more time to catch up with you. Dreaming of the day when we can close in wing tip to wing tip and buzz the Gathering 2003? 2004? 2005? We'll see. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "krnet" Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 10:31 PM Subject: KR> dual stick setup > StickHeads, > > I've been working on my dual stick mechanism for something like a month (and > you wonder why I'm not flying yet), and thought I'd offer the photo at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/03030133m.jpg as proof that I'm getting > close to being done with it all. Welds are not pretty, but will definitely > work, and more importantly, I did them myself. It's basically a variation > of previous designs that have appeared in the Newsletter, but using > convenient (and obtainable from Wicks) cross-sections of 4130, and some > off-the-shelf parts that simplify construction. > > The main tube is thinwall 1.25" OD, the angled "risers" are 1", and the > rectangular part that constrains lateral movement of the stick is 1"x 1.5". > Nuts will be welded top and bottom to act as control stops tomorrow. > Washers are welded on to limit side-to-side travel to zero, and nylon "clamp > blocks" from McMaster-Carr are used as bearing blocks (they have to be > hogged out a tad with a drum sander for clearance). The aluminum clamp in > the middle will have the elevator bellcrank welded to it shortly, and will > be somewhat adjustable. Tomorrow it will get a coat of Audi silver paint > with clearcoat, since I have to paint my wife's new mirror anyway. Somehow > a trashcan managed to completely rip its predecessor clean off the car, > despite the folding mechanism that's supposed to prevent such things from > happening to a $400 heated mirror. Oh, and it was a cop neighbor's > trashcan, to boot. Fortunately, I shop the internet junkyards, rather than > the stealership, so mine "only" cost a hundred bucks. > > Right now it all weighs 1 pound, 12 ounces, so I expect it to be right at > 2 pounds total with sticks and mounting bolts. The beauty of this system is > that the sticks rotate about the axis of the aileron cable, so there is no > stretching of the aileron cable when operating the elevator, and therefore > no bias of elevator position by aileron cable tension, nor constant needless > stretching of the aileron cables. I wonder how many KRs fly "funny" due to > the fact that the aileron cables are pulling the elevator to a certain > position because of the stock geometry. On the other hand, careful tweaking > of the stock system might just bias the system to a centerpoint that would > reduce sensitivity a tad, if you're the optimistic type! > > I'll do a full page with all the details on this later, but some folks had > asked what I was up to with the dual stick thing... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 05:57:17 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> dual stick setup Message-Id: <3E620DBD.000004.01336@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_H3K4BHK0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark,=0D =0D As usual, I am amazed at your workmanship and inventiveness. I love the simplicity. How did you get those nylon bearings so neat?=0D =0D And don't knock your welds. We had a "professional" do ours and they are not even close to yours in the "pretty" category.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Saturday, March 01, 2003 08:31:33 PM=0D To: krnet=0D Subject: KR> dual stick setup=0D =0D StickHeads,=0D =0D I've been working on my dual stick mechanism for something like a month (= and=0D you wonder why I'm not flying yet), and thought I'd offer the photo at=0D http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/03030133m.jpg as proof that I'm getting=0D close to being done with it all. Welds are not pretty, but will definitel= y=0D work, and more importantly, I did them myself. It's basically a variation= =0D of previous designs that have appeared in the Newsletter, but using=0D convenient (and obtainable from Wicks) cross-sections of 4130, and some=0D off-the-shelf parts that simplify construction.=0D =0D The main tube is thinwall 1.25" OD, the angled "risers" are 1", and the=0D rectangular part that constrains lateral movement of the stick is 1"x 1.5= ".=0D Nuts will be welded top and bottom to act as control stops tomorrow.=0D Washers are welded on to limit side-to-side travel to zero, and nylon "cl= amp=0D blocks" from McMaster-Carr are used as bearing blocks (they have to be=0D hogged out a tad with a drum sander for clearance). The aluminum clamp in= =0D the middle will have the elevator bellcrank welded to it shortly, and wil= l=0D be somewhat adjustable. Tomorrow it will get a coat of Audi silver paint=0D with clearcoat, since I have to paint my wife's new mirror anyway. Someho= w=0D a trashcan managed to completely rip its predecessor clean off the car,=0D despite the folding mechanism that's supposed to prevent such things from= =0D happening to a $400 heated mirror. Oh, and it was a cop neighbor's=0D trashcan, to boot. Fortunately, I shop the internet junkyards, rather tha= n=0D the stealership, so mine "only" cost a hundred bucks.=0D =0D Right now it all weighs 1 pound, 12 ounces, so I expect it to be right at= =0D 2 pounds total with sticks and mounting bolts. The beauty of this system = is=0D that the sticks rotate about the axis of the aileron cable, so there is n= o=0D stretching of the aileron cable when operating the elevator, and therefor= e=0D no bias of elevator position by aileron cable tension, nor constant needl= ess=0D stretching of the aileron cables. I wonder how many KRs fly "funny" due t= o=0D the fact that the aileron cables are pulling the elevator to a certain=0D position because of the stock geometry. On the other hand, careful tweaki= ng=0D of the stock system might just bias the system to a centerpoint that woul= d=0D reduce sensitivity a tad, if you're the optimistic type!=0D =0D I'll do a full page with all the details on this later, but some folks ha= d=0D asked what I was up to with the dual stick thing...=0D =0D Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL=0D mailto:langford@hiwaay.net=0D see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_H3K4BHK0000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 07:57:16 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> dual stick setup Message-ID: <025601c2e0c3$a26d6cc0$1202a8c0@basement> Dan Heath wrote: >>As usual, I am amazed at your workmanship and inventiveness. I love the simplicity. How did you get those nylon bearings so neat?<< Thanks. The nylon and aluminum clamp blocks were easy. I paid McMaster-Carr $11.55 each for the nylon ones, and $5.07 for the aluminum one, and "assembled them" to the main shaft. Actually, they needed a little clearancing inside with a sanding drum, since they are designed to clamp on the block, rather than letting it spin inside. I even bought a steel one to use as a weld fixture so that the steel washers would be perfectly perpendicular to the main shaft, for another $4.33. I was going to point you to http://www.mcmaster.com/ but their web site is down at the moment for maintenance. But normally, you can go there and search for the part number 60485K72 and choose "view page" and you'll see the page with all of the "clamp-on shaft collars". McMaster Carr is a fantastic place to get just about anything you can think of. Their catalog has 3300 pages (in fine print) of items, especially nuts, bolts, clamps, pins, materials, you name it. They don't charge for shipping and don't have a minimum order, and best of all for me is that they ship from Atlanta, which is "overnite" to here, even though it's only sent UPS ground. I'm sort of the "rapid prototype" guy where I work, and half of what I build comes out of McMaster-Carr boxes. I originally planned on using real bearings for this job, but figured if everybody else is using nylon and getting away with it, I could too. I think if I were to do this again (and you know I will, after the plane is flying) I might just try bearings, which would be easy to install if I'd just extended the 45 degree "risers" inward an inch. Bearings are 2 or three pages in front of the shaft collars, if you start to head that way. I'm kinda partial to the lightweight thin "thermoplastic semi-precision ball bearing" made of plastic. I consider this stick to be pretty "minimalist", but the center part is way stronger than it ever needs to be. But I still don't claim to be an aluminum "weldor", so I made it out of 4130 and removed all doubts.... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 10:08:32 -0600 To: , "Mark Langford" From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> dual stick setup Message-ID: <002401c2e0d5$fc10a3c0$05d81a18@hot.rr.com> Mark, Excellent design. I was wondering, would you be risking being sued for product liability if you were to manufacture and market the parts for assembly by the builder. I looks good enough to me that other builders would like to use it thus creating a market. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "krnet" Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 10:31 PM Subject: KR> dual stick setup > StickHeads, > > I've been working on my dual stick mechanism for something like a month (and > you wonder why I'm not flying yet), and thought I'd offer the photo at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/03030133m.jpg as proof that I'm getting > close to being done with it all. Welds are not pretty, but will definitely > work, and more importantly, I did them myself. It's basically a variation > of previous designs that have appeared in the Newsletter, but using > convenient (and obtainable from Wicks) cross-sections of 4130, and some > off-the-shelf parts that simplify construction. > > The main tube is thinwall 1.25" OD, the angled "risers" are 1", and the > rectangular part that constrains lateral movement of the stick is 1"x 1.5". > Nuts will be welded top and bottom to act as control stops tomorrow. > Washers are welded on to limit side-to-side travel to zero, and nylon "clamp > blocks" from McMaster-Carr are used as bearing blocks (they have to be > hogged out a tad with a drum sander for clearance). The aluminum clamp in > the middle will have the elevator bellcrank welded to it shortly, and will > be somewhat adjustable. Tomorrow it will get a coat of Audi silver paint > with clearcoat, since I have to paint my wife's new mirror anyway. Somehow > a trashcan managed to completely rip its predecessor clean off the car, > despite the folding mechanism that's supposed to prevent such things from > happening to a $400 heated mirror. Oh, and it was a cop neighbor's > trashcan, to boot. Fortunately, I shop the internet junkyards, rather than > the stealership, so mine "only" cost a hundred bucks. > > Right now it all weighs 1 pound, 12 ounces, so I expect it to be right at > 2 pounds total with sticks and mounting bolts. The beauty of this system is > that the sticks rotate about the axis of the aileron cable, so there is no > stretching of the aileron cable when operating the elevator, and therefore > no bias of elevator position by aileron cable tension, nor constant needless > stretching of the aileron cables. I wonder how many KRs fly "funny" due to > the fact that the aileron cables are pulling the elevator to a certain > position because of the stock geometry. On the other hand, careful tweaking > of the stock system might just bias the system to a centerpoint that would > reduce sensitivity a tad, if you're the optimistic type! > > I'll do a full page with all the details on this later, but some folks had > asked what I was up to with the dual stick thing... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 14:15:11 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> dual stick setup Message-ID: <028701c2e0f8$6dbdc620$1202a8c0@basement> Bob Stone wrote: > Excellent design. I was wondering, would you be risking being sued for > product liability if you were to manufacture and market the parts for > assembly by the builder. I looks good enough to me that other builders > would like to use it thus creating a market. Oh, I suspect I could be sued for even thinking out loud about designing something, much less SELLING the parts to make it! I think what I'd rather do is show you exactly how I did mine, in excruciating detail, and then if you wanted to buy the stuff and use "what I did" as an example (at your own risk, of course), you could cut and grind the pieces to fit (which is the painful part), jig it up on plywood, and let a real welder finish the center section for you. I'd be surprised if anybody would charge you more than an hour to do those four welds, and what's that, fifty bucks at the max? The rest is just assembly (hey, I could build an RV!). Thirty five bucks in parts, fifty in labor, you built it, and we both feel better about ourselves. Besides, my aluminum brackets that hold the assembly to the main spar will probably be different than most, because of the unique way that my aileron cable passes 1.5" from the floor. At least I THINK mine is unique. I didn't look at the plans method long enough to know where the cable is "supposed" to enter the fuselage. My brackets are also a little funky in that they now support the flap torque tube, which runs right along the back side of the spar too. There's an old picture of the setup on my "controls" page at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kcontrol.html , seventh picture down. That tube wouldn't have needed support if I'd left it like it was in the photo, but now I'm using an RV electric flap motor mounted out in the middle, instead of the RR flap handle up against the left fuselage wall, mostly to give myself a little more knee room, but also so I'll have more control over the flap position than the three-position manual lever actuator. JIm Sporka just pointed out to me that McMaster-Carr only sells to legitimate companies, so you might have to use your company name when you order it, and have it shipped to work, or maybe you can even have it shipped home. They ship mine to my house, and I come right out and tell them it's for home use so send it to me there, but then I've bought so much stuff from them they probably all know me by name now. And while I've got your attention, I've gotta brag about something I did at work the other day. I was put on a job to finalize the design a new version of a "popular wartime device". The proposal's already been submitted, the contract is soon to be awarded to us, but they wanted the concept to be firmed up so we'd be ready to build them at contract award. So I took one look at this thing and said "why are we making 12 different parts and welding them all together when we could just bend up two halves, make two welds, and call it done, with a better end-product and a whole lot less labor?". They floundered around for a few minutes and said something like "well we're not sure you can get 17 foot long material, and especially bend something up that long". I called the guy that was going to bend up the 12 individual pieces and asked if he could hold the same tolerances on a piece 17 feet long as he could on the shorter pieces. He said "sure, why wouldn't I". He also confirmed that he could buy a 1000 ft coil of the material (for our large quantity) so that was no problem either. I did a quick guestimation and figured I'd just saved them at least a half a million dollars over the life of the project, and eliminated much of the risk incurred with any precision part that's been welded up out of so many different pieces. That ought to pay my salary for a few more months... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:04:14 +1100 To: , "Mark Langford" From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> dual stick setup Message-ID: <001d01c2e107$abf55d40$0100a8c0@barry> Nice setup Mark, It is similar to my single stick, so I would be very interested on your design for joining the two together. Keep up the good work. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 NSW Australia. See our VW engines and Home built kits and parts at; www.vw-engines.com www.homebuilt-aviation.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 00:05:17 -0500 To: "krnet \(E-mail\)" From: "Darren Pond" Subject: UV protection Message-ID: <000501c2e079$51817b20$0100a8c0@cambr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Calling all Chemical engineers. Are all UV protection primers/Paints created equal? I'm favouring a Dupont primer at the momment but I read where Enamel House paint has UV protection primers too. Any one shead some None UV light on the subject? Darren P ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 22:58:47 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Brian Kraut Subject: Re: KR> UV protection Message-ID: <3E62D2F7.40301@earthlink.net> I can't remember where I read this, maybe on the Polyfiber site, but most paints and primers with UV protection only protect themselves from the UV. On a fiberglass plane you need something to block the UV so it doesn't degrade the epoxy underneath it. Now, there is nothing wrong with a good UV protection paint that will last a long time in the sun, but you need a UV blocker like Smooth Prime underneath it. Darren Pond wrote: > >Calling all Chemical engineers. > > Are all UV protection primers/Paints created equal? >I'm favouring a Dupont primer at the momment but I read where Enamel House >paint has UV protection primers too. >Any one shead some None UV light on the subject? > >Darren P > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 23:32:45 -0600 To: From: "Justin" Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear Message-ID: <000a01c2e07d$278f1ee0$dcda1818@computer> Is that 38" of clearance with the 54" prop? I dont know anything about the difference witht eh bigger prop and airspeeds but would that 6" bigger prop give you say 10mph more in cruise? Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 7:24 AM Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear > Justin, > Take a look at my plane in my web site below. I am using the Diehl tri-gear. > From the center of the prop to the ground, I have a clearance of 38 inches. > I also have the Corvair engine. Now, I swing a pretty big prop. Right now it > is 54 inches but by the time I take to the air, I will have a 60 inch prop. > I could actually go bigger if I deemed necessary. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Justin" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 12:41 AM > Subject: KR> Landing gear > > > Im getting close to the time of ordering my landing gear. I want to make > the right decion on which to choose. Just from what I have read about the > Dan Deil gear is great but allows very little prop clearence. The grove gear > allows 2" more then the Deil gear. With this extra gear hanging out whats > that doing as far as drag. > > Prop clearance and the Corvair; (which I plan to run) can swing a bigger > prop than a VW can. Correct me if im wrong but the bigger the prop the more > bite you can get with less pitch, which woudl be positive thing for speed? > > Any suggestions or commets on what gear to use for a Corvair powered > KR2S. > > Justin > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 08:26:55 -0600 To: "KR-Net" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Fw: KR> Landing gear Message-ID: <003001c2e0c7$c6d421e0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Come on Justin, use your head a little here. If that is 38" clearance with a 54" prop, that would mean I could install a 130" prop. The 38" clearance is from the thrust centerline (center of prop hub) straight down to the ground. So if I use a 60" prop, I will get a ground clearance of 8". Send me your email address and I will send you some programs which will answer all your questions on prop size, speed, etc.....the net would not let me attach them. Files are too big Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Justin" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 11:32 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear > > > > Is that 38" of clearance with the 54" prop? I dont know anything about the > > difference witht eh bigger prop and airspeeds but would that 6" bigger > prop > > give you say 10mph more in cruise? > > > > Justin > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Jones" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 7:24 AM > > Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear > > > > > > > Justin, > > > Take a look at my plane in my web site below. I am using the Diehl > > tri-gear. > > > From the center of the prop to the ground, I have a clearance of 38 > > inches. > > > I also have the Corvair engine. Now, I swing a pretty big prop. Right > now > > it > > > is 54 inches but by the time I take to the air, I will have a 60 inch > > prop. > > > I could actually go bigger if I deemed necessary. > > > > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > > Wales, WI USA > > > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Justin" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 12:41 AM > > > Subject: KR> Landing gear > > > > > > > > > Im getting close to the time of ordering my landing gear. I want to > > make > > > the right decion on which to choose. Just from what I have read about > the > > > Dan Deil gear is great but allows very little prop clearence. The grove > > gear > > > allows 2" more then the Deil gear. With this extra gear hanging out > whats > > > that doing as far as drag. > > > > > > Prop clearance and the Corvair; (which I plan to run) can swing a > > bigger > > > prop than a VW can. Correct me if im wrong but the bigger the prop the > > more > > > bite you can get with less pitch, which woudl be positive thing for > > speed? > > > > > > Any suggestions or commets on what gear to use for a Corvair powered > > > KR2S. > > > > > > Justin > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:56:51 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org, krnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: KR> Landing gear Message-ID: <1cc.42817e0.2b940253@aol.com> --part1_1cc.42817e0.2b940253_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/2/2003 9:26:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, flykr2s@wi.rr.com writes: > I will get a ground clearance of 8 Mark dont forget that the KR without nose wheels can over rotate, and the one's with nose wheels can over rotate to the extent that the flex of the nose gear will allow AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech --part1_1cc.42817e0.2b940253_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:56:51 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org, krnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: KR> Landing gear Message-ID: <1cc.42817e0.2b940253@aol.com> --part1_1cc.42817e0.2b940253_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/2/2003 9:26:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, flykr2s@wi.rr.com writes: > I will get a ground clearance of 8 Mark dont forget that the KR without nose wheels can over rotate, and the one's with nose wheels can over rotate to the extent that the flex of the nose gear will allow AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech --part1_1cc.42817e0.2b940253_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 22:52:59 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Brian Kraut Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear Message-ID: <3E62D19B.70300@earthlink.net> --------------070006070302060507090605 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rand sells the Diehl gear. The Diehl and the Grove both have their advantages. I would say it is about a 50/50 toss up, but Dan Diehl is one of the most helpfull and friendly people I have ever spoken to. I have bought several things from him and it is worth it just to buy something so you can get him on the phone for advice. AviationMech@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 3/1/2003 3:41:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, >jmw116@socal.rr.com writes: > >>ordering my landing gear. >> > >On N110LR I converted from the original retract to the Rand gear. I highly >recommend this gear >AviationMech >KR-2 N110LR >1984 to Present >www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech > --------------070006070302060507090605-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 23:25:06 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear Message-ID: <20030303072506.93124.qmail@web40911.mail.yahoo.com> Brian, I believe what Orma (Aviation Mechanic) is talking about is the one-piece-type gear. It is basically a bow attached beneath the aircraft. Maybe he'd tell us what he likes about it over the Diehl gear which is two (or more) seperate legs, each attached to a bracket in the wing stub. I'm pretty sure Grove makes a similar gear. Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX --- Brian Kraut wrote: > Rand sells the Diehl gear. > > The Diehl and the Grove both have their advantages. > I would say it is > about a 50/50 toss up, but Dan Diehl is one of the > most helpfull and > friendly people I have ever spoken to. I have > bought several things > from him and it is worth it just to buy something so > you can get him on > the phone for advice. > > AviationMech@aol.com wrote: > > >In a message dated 3/1/2003 3:41:55 AM Eastern > Standard Time, > >jmw116@socal.rr.com writes: > > > >>ordering my landing gear. > >> > > > >On N110LR I converted from the original retract to > the Rand gear. I highly > >recommend this gear > >AviationMech > >KR-2 N110LR > >1984 to Present > >www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 23:28:25 -0600 To: From: "Justin" Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear Message-ID: <000501c2e145$b6d83190$dcda1818@computer> Grove offers botht he 1 peice and the 2 peice. Im thinking the best idea is make the gear longer but leave a smaller prop somethign like 56". If you take advantage of the extra length in the gear then your still back at the same problem of prop clearance. Alittle over level attitude and ill hit the prop, if turning a bigger prop is only going to help climb not worth it to me. My concern is cruisespeed more then climb. Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Ross" To: Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 1:25 AM Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear > Brian, > I believe what Orma (Aviation Mechanic) is talking > about is the one-piece-type gear. It is basically a > bow attached beneath the aircraft. Maybe he'd tell us > what he likes about it over the Diehl gear which is > two (or more) seperate legs, each attached to a > bracket in the wing stub. > I'm pretty sure Grove makes a similar gear. > Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX > > --- Brian Kraut wrote: > > Rand sells the Diehl gear. > > > > The Diehl and the Grove both have their advantages. > > I would say it is > > about a 50/50 toss up, but Dan Diehl is one of the > > most helpfull and > > friendly people I have ever spoken to. I have > > bought several things > > from him and it is worth it just to buy something so > > you can get him on > > the phone for advice. > > > > AviationMech@aol.com wrote: > > > > >In a message dated 3/1/2003 3:41:55 AM Eastern > > Standard Time, > > >jmw116@socal.rr.com writes: > > > > > >>ordering my landing gear. > > >> > > > > > >On N110LR I converted from the original retract to > > the Rand gear. I highly > > >recommend this gear > > >AviationMech > > >KR-2 N110LR > > >1984 to Present > > >www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 23:35:27 -0600 To: From: "Justin" Subject: Re: KR> Web Page Update Message-ID: <001a01c2e07d$880e0830$dcda1818@computer> Is that weight with the wings off as it is shown in the picture? Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR-Net" ; "CorVaircraft Net" Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 1:22 PM Subject: KR> Web Page Update Hello all, I have just updated my homepage on my web site with a new Main Page photo and have also posted the new weight as of today. Check it out: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 08:24:09 -0600 To: From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Web Page Update Message-ID: <002201c2e0c7$63d348a0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Yep, the description says "the weight as she sits above is...". Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin" To: Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 11:35 PM Subject: Re: KR> Web Page Update > Is that weight with the wings off as it is shown in the picture? > > Justin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Jones" > To: "KR-Net" ; "CorVaircraft Net" > > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 1:22 PM > Subject: KR> Web Page Update > > > Hello all, > I have just updated my homepage on my web site with a new Main Page photo > and have also posted the new weight as of today. Check it out: > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 04:42:32 -0800 To: From: "Al Friesen" Subject: Revflow Carb Exploded View Message-ID: <004f01c2e0b9$7d044a80$305d7240@s8z8i0> ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C2E076.238B7520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All netters Does anyone have an exploded view they can send me of the Revflow Needle = seat mixture control area. I have the carb view but it does not include = the needle end. I would like to know the parts involved in fuel mixing = and how to take them apart for maintenance. Afriesen@kootenay.com Thanks = for all help in the past. Al ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C2E076.238B7520-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 14:08:08 -0600 To: "KR Net Response" From: "Jim Faughn" Subject: Oshkosh Presentation Message-ID: <000001c2e0f7$72227540$bd466ad8@jfaughn> As you know from my previous email, the EAA wrote to provide an opportunity to speak again at the 2003 event. I submitted a proposal for a talk to them via the web on Friday evening. Title of the Presentation: KR Aircraft - History, Building and Flying Description of Presentation: This presentation will outline the 31 year history of the KR, describe the building process, the flying characteristics and will include a handout of an article on how to land the KR. The presentation will utilize PowerPoint and will be rich in pictures. At the end of the presentation, there will be a question answer session with all of the KR pilots in attendance. So far, this is how I see it going. I planned on modifying the presentation I used last year on the history. I asked Mark Langford to present on the building process and he has tentatively agreed. I planned on talking about the flying characteristics and dispelling they myths that a good KR is hard to fly. To help with this I decided that I would engage the other pilots that came to the event. Since I already knew that Chris Gardiner from Canada was planning to be there, I asked if he would help during this session. He just emailed back that he would. He will be providing pictures of his plane and I plan on taking pictures of all the planes that fly to Oshkosh and including them along with descriptions from the pilots. At the end, everyone will be available for a question and answer session. At this point, I don't know the date although I requested as my first and second preference Thursday July 31 and the third preference as Wednesday, July 30. I also requested that we don't conflict with the proposed presentations that Steve Bennett plans on making. I'll keep you informed as we move forward. If you are a flying KR, come to Oshkosh and let me know as soon as possible that you will be there. Hopefully this will be a good time and the people that don't know KR's can have an opportunity to check them out. By the way, plan on parking your planes in the automotive engine section. Last year it was right below the tower and it is a great place to park. If we know in advance how many will be there, I'll try to reserve a section for us. Jim Faughn 4323D Laclede Ave. St. Louis, MO 63108 (314)652-7659 Mailto:jfaughn@mvp.net http://members.socket.net/~jfaughn/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 15:33:15 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: kleirfall@ecomail.org Subject: PDA's with GPS Message-ID: <1046644395.3e6286ab8c4a6@www.ecomail.org> Dear KR folks, I am Kris and I was looking for a PDA with GPS. I want something that is easy to use and acurate. Which PDA with which GPS program would you recommend? Thank you so much for your help!! Kris <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< This email comes to you via EcoMail! Swim over to http://www.ecocity.com and sign up for your *FREE* account ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:01:45 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Cowgirlflying@wmconnect.com Subject: OPEN COCKPIT Message-ID: <41.2bd602b4.2b93f569@wmconnect.com> --part1_41.2bd602b4.2b93f569_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know if has ever been a KR 2 built with a open cockpit? Pat & Tim --part1_41.2bd602b4.2b93f569_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:22:00 -0600 To: From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> OPEN COCKPIT Message-ID: <009101c2e123$4a3e5860$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> All I have ever heard was that the KR is not a stable bird without a full canopy. Seems all experience there has shown that the air over the tail surfaces is severely disrupted giving you an uncontrollable situation. Mind you, this is what I have heard and not any personal experience. Maybe others will elaborate more on this. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 6:01 PM Subject: KR> OPEN COCKPIT > Does anyone know if has ever been a KR 2 built with a open cockpit? > > Pat & Tim > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 22:49:06 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Brian Kraut Subject: Re: KR> OPEN COCKPIT Message-ID: <3E62D0B2.5000003@earthlink.net> 150 MPH bugs in your teeth. Cowgirlflying@wmconnect.com wrote: >Does anyone know if has ever been a KR 2 built with a open cockpit? > >Pat & Tim > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 23:30:39 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> OPEN COCKPIT Message-ID: <20030303073039.75894.qmail@web40906.mail.yahoo.com> Since you specify KR-2, I take it you know the first KR-1 started with open cockpit? I remember seeing photos of it in very old news releases, cannot remember where. Do not know if Ken Rand flew it that way tho Frank Ross San Antonio, TX --- Cowgirlflying@wmconnect.com wrote: > Does anyone know if has ever been a KR 2 built with > a open cockpit? > > Pat & Tim > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 16:53:45 -0600 To: From: "Justin" Subject: Crossmember jig Message-ID: <000e01c2e10e$944ab170$dcda1818@computer> ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2E0DC.49993700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The jig I used for my crossmembers is a 1/4" threaded rod connecting two = plywood pecies to get the angle. The problem I had was getting the = crossmembers square meaning to stay where I want it. The fuselage is = nice and square but the crossmember it;s self was tending to twist and = try to squirm away. I had to take most fo them out because of this. What = is the trick? Justin ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2E0DC.49993700-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 23:10:36 -0500 To: krnet From: Brian Kraut Subject: KR pilot needed Message-ID: <3E62D5BC.8030706@earthlink.net> I am about a month away from having my plane ready to fly (Shooting for having it at Sun-N-Fun, but kind of iffy right now). I would really like to get a ride in another KR with someone that has experience. I figure that will increase my first flight survival chances by at least 80%. So far I haven't had any luck finding someone near hear to give me a ride. I am in Jacksonville, FL. Anyone out there with a KR and a bunch of hours that would be willing to give me an hour or two of instruction? I weigh 165 and would be willing to pay for your trouble. Obviously, someone near Jax or close enough to fly to me or me drive to you would be best, but if I can't find that I would be willing to take a short Southwest hop somewhere in a 500 mile range. Someone willing to give me a hop at Sun-N-Fun or on their way there or back would work too. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 21:24:28 -0700 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Ron Lee Subject: KR pilot needed Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030302212227.00a1a8b0@127.0.0.1> Smart guy. Just stick to this plan. You may find that an hour or two may not be enough. Just don't get so set on making Sun n Fun that you rush it. Consider Red Oak IA (Sep) as the real event to make. Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 23:39:29 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Brian Kraut Subject: Re: KR> KR pilot needed Message-ID: <3E62DC81.4070604@earthlink.net> At least with someone else I will know that it is not enough and still be alive to get more instruction. I won't rush SNF, but I am confident that Oshkosh is a sure bet. Ron Lee wrote: > Smart guy. Just stick to this plan. You may find that an hour or two > may not > be enough. > > Just don't get so set on making Sun n Fun that you rush it. > > Consider Red Oak IA (Sep) as the real event to make. > > Ron Lee > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For > additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 23:44:58 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: USAFWalker@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> KR pilot needed Message-ID: <1ed.34f9d13.2b9437ca@aol.com> --part1_1ed.34f9d13.2b9437ca_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sounds exciting, I'm in the same boat you are. About a month away from being done and I've never flown in a kr before. Maybe someone could take me up for a while if anybody is around Rapid City, SD Good luck finding a kr pilot near you. I'll definetly see you in oshkosh as long as I'm not deployed. --part1_1ed.34f9d13.2b9437ca_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 23:42:01 -0500 To: krnet From: Brian Kraut Subject: Sun-N-Fun Message-ID: <3E62DD19.4040201@earthlink.net> When is the KR dinner at SNF this year? Do I need to be invited or just show up? Are there any other KR events I won't want to miss? ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************