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krnet Digest 4 Mar 2003 01:43:20 -0000 Issue 647

Topics (messages 15547 through 15576):

Re: KR pilot needed
	15547 by: Dana Overall
	15561 by: Brian Kraut
	15564 by: Dana Overall
	15569 by: wstarrs
	15572 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout
	15574 by: Mark Langford
	15575 by: Mark Jones
	15576 by: Edwin Blocher

Re: dual stick setup
	15548 by: Dana Overall

Re: SnF who's going?
	15549 by: Mark Jones
	15571 by: Jeff York

Re: OPEN COCKPIT
	15550 by: Mark Langford
	15558 by: wstarrs

Cowling reinforcement
	15551 by: JIM VANCE
	15555 by: Mark Langford
	15556 by: Scott Cable
	15560 by: WMartensJr.aol.com

"Glacier Girl" program tonite
	15552 by: Ed Janssen
	15553 by: Anthony Underwood
	15554 by: Anthony Underwood

I-KRFN Website updated
	15557 by: Aripo
	15559 by: ROBERT COOPER

Control Rods
	15562 by: Richard.Cowles
	15565 by: jim . synergy design

Re: Cowling
	15563 by: Shawn Zabo

Re: Landing gear
	15566 by: Edwin Blocher
	15567 by: AviationMech.aol.com
	15568 by: AviationMech.aol.com
	15570 by: gleone

KR Net, etc.
	15573 by: Edwin Blocher

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Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 05:48:20 -0500
To: KRnet@mailinglists.org
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: KR> KR pilot needed
Message-ID: <F11823LiC1h1jYhAOyl0000842e@hotmail.com>

Brian,  do a search for Tom Crawford.  He lives in Gainesville, has a SNF 
award winning tri gear KR.

Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:37:05 -0500 (EST)
To: KRnet@mailinglists.org
From: Brian Kraut <engalt@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Re: KR> KR pilot needed
Message-ID: <7767260.1046719915261.JavaMail.nobody@gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Someone else suggested him last week to me.  I haven't been able to find him.  Does anyone have his phone number or email address?

-------Original Message-------
From: Dana Overall <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Sent: 03/03/03 05:48 AM
To: KRnet@mailinglists.org
Subject: Re: KR> KR pilot needed

> 
> Brian,  do a search for Tom Crawford.  He lives in Gainesville, has a SNF 
award winning tri gear KR.

Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
<a target=_blank
href="http://rvflying.tripod.com">http://rvflying.tripod.com</a>
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Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 16:28:33 -0500
To: KRnet@mailinglists.org
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: KR> KR pilot needed
Message-ID: <F159CUy1EPYYJfkAG1y00019037@hotmail.com>

Brian, I just did a search in the archives by typing in Tom Crawford.  Here 
is the last email address listed for him

: Tom Crawford <toys@ufl.edu>

Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive

>From: Brian Kraut <engalt@earthlink.net>
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>Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:37:05 -0500 (EST)
>
>Someone else suggested him last week to me.  I haven't been able to find 
>him.  Does anyone have his phone number or email address?
>
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>Sent: 03/03/03 05:48 AM
>To: KRnet@mailinglists.org
>Subject: Re: KR> KR pilot needed
>
> >
> > Brian,  do a search for Tom Crawford.  He lives in Gainesville, has a 
>SNF
>award winning tri gear KR.
>
>
>Dana Overall
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:50:01 -0700
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From: "wstarrs" <wstarrs@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: Re: KR> KR pilot needed
Message-ID: <000001c2e1e3$16a17120$9200a8c0@bstarrs>

Tom Crawford phone # 386-462-5362
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Kraut" <engalt@earthlink.net>
To: <KRnet@mailinglists.org>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: Re: KR> KR pilot needed

> Someone else suggested him last week to me.  I haven't been able to find
him.  Does anyone have his phone number or email address?
>
> -------Original Message-------
> From: Dana Overall <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> Sent: 03/03/03 05:48 AM
> To: KRnet@mailinglists.org
> Subject: Re: KR> KR pilot needed
>
> >
> > Brian,  do a search for Tom Crawford.  He lives in Gainesville, has a
SNF
> award winning tri gear KR.
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:53:47 -0500
To: KRnet@mailinglists.org
From: Kenneth L Wiltrout <klw1953@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Re: KR> KR pilot needed
Message-ID: <20030303.195455.2232.0.klw1953@juno.com>

I heard he was trying to sell his KR. Maybe he did.

On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:50:01 -0700 "wstarrs" <wstarrs@netzero.net> writes:
> Tom Crawford phone # 386-462-5362
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Kraut" <engalt@earthlink.net>
> To: <KRnet@mailinglists.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 9:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: KR> KR pilot needed
> 
> 
> > Someone else suggested him last week to me.  I haven't been able 
> to find
> him.  Does anyone have his phone number or email address?
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> > From: Dana Overall <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> > Sent: 03/03/03 05:48 AM
> > To: KRnet@mailinglists.org
> > Subject: Re: KR> KR pilot needed
> >
> > >
> > > Brian,  do a search for Tom Crawford.  He lives in Gainesville, 
> has a
> SNF
> > award winning tri gear KR.
> >
> >
> > Dana Overall
> > Richmond, KY
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:16:08 -0600
To: <KRnet@mailinglists.org>
From: "Mark Langford" <langford@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: Re: KR> KR pilot needed
Message-ID: <1dc801c2e1eb$a7547750$1202a8c0@basement>

> I heard he was trying to sell his KR. Maybe he did.

Yep, he's building an RV, and I can't say I blame him.  I'm  kind of
interested in the new 4 passenger RV-10 myself.  I have to admit that taking
a bunch of well-fitting parts out of a box and assembling them into a
wonderful flying airplane with no head scratching or trial and error has a
lot of appeal for me at the moment...

Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
mailto:langford@hiwaay.net
see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford

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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:38:29 -0600
To: <KRnet@mailinglists.org>
From: "Mark Jones" <flykr2s@wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Re: KR> KR pilot needed
Message-ID: <00aa01c2e1ee$c26721c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Langford" <langford@hiwaay.net>
>I'm  kind of interested in the new 4 passenger RV-10 myself.  I have to
admit that taking
> a bunch of well-fitting parts out of a box and assembling them into a
> wonderful flying airplane with no head scratching or trial and error has a
> lot of appeal for me at the moment...

Hey Mark....it's notApril 1st....what's up? Are you trying to tell us
something or just trying to scare the heck out of us?

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI  USA
E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com
Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:36:26 -0600
To: <KRnet@mailinglists.org>
From: "Edwin Blocher" <EBLOCHER@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Re: Re: KR> KR pilot needed
Message-ID: <00da01c2e1ee$796dcbe0$0201a8c0@computer>

And, would your Corvair have enough HP?
ED
Ed Blocher
Santa Rosa Beach, FL
eblocher@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Jones" <flykr2s@wi.rr.com>
To: <KRnet@mailinglists.org>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Re: KR> KR pilot needed

>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Langford" <langford@hiwaay.net>
> >I'm  kind of interested in the new 4 passenger RV-10 myself.  I have to
> admit that taking
> > a bunch of well-fitting parts out of a box and assembling them into a
> > wonderful flying airplane with no head scratching or trial and error has
a
> > lot of appeal for me at the moment...
>
> Hey Mark....it's notApril 1st....what's up? Are you trying to tell us
> something or just trying to scare the heck out of us?
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI  USA
> E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com
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> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html
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Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 06:03:21 -0500
To: KRnet@mailinglists.org
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: KR> dual stick setup
Message-ID: <F146YGDOg6oKCMBoN0W0000a821@hotmail.com>

Hey Mark, the only difference is with the RV all you would have to do is 
take the powder coated assembly (oh, that hurt, sorry) out of the crate and 
bolt it onto the spar...........sorry couldn't resist.

HEY, who's going to SNF and when??

Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive

>From: "Mark Langford" <langford@hiwaay.net>
The
>rest is just assembly (hey, I could build an RV!).

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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 06:18:18 -0600
To: <KRnet@mailinglists.org>
From: "Mark Jones" <flykr2s@wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: SnF who's going?
Message-ID: <000d01c2e17e$f98706e0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com>

I will be there Saturday April 4th. See ya at the William Wynne Corvair
forum at 10am.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI  USA
E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com
Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
To: <KRnet@mailinglists.org>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:03 AM
Subject: Re: KR> dual stick setup

> HEY, who's going to SNF and when??
>
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Mark Langford" <langford@hiwaay.net>
> The
> >rest is just assembly (hey, I could build an RV!).
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Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 19:47:34 -0500
To: KRnet@mailinglists.org
From: "Jeff York" <jeffyork40@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: KR> Re: SnF who's going?
Message-ID: <BAY1-F209MUiWqyvly70002642d@hotmail.com>

I plan to go. And with any luck I can find the time to tie up a few items on 
KR-2/ N839BG and get it there as well. It sure has been tough to get any 
aviation stuff done since my newest son arrived a few months ago.

I also need to get a hall pass from the wife.

I would like to see a nice group of Kr's there. The numbers of them at SNF 
seems to be shrinking each year.

Jeff York
Lexington, KY
KR-2 N839BG

>From: "Mark Jones" <flykr2s@wi.rr.com>
>Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org
>To: <KRnet@mailinglists.org>
>Subject: KR> Re: SnF who's going?
>Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 06:18:18 -0600
>
>I will be there Saturday April 4th. See ya at the William Wynne Corvair
>forum at 10am.
>
>Mark Jones (N886MJ)
>Wales, WI  USA
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>Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
>http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>To: <KRnet@mailinglists.org>
>Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:03 AM
>Subject: Re: KR> dual stick setup
>
>
> > HEY, who's going to SNF and when??
> >
> >
> >
> > Dana Overall
> > Richmond, KY
> > http://rvflying.tripod.com
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> >
> >
> >
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 06:52:47 -0600
To: <KRnet@mailinglists.org>
From: "Mark Langford" <langford@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: KR> OPEN COCKPIT
Message-ID: <002201c2e183$cae054e0$5e0ca58c@tbe.com>

Frank Ross wrote:

> Since you specify KR-2, I take it you know the first
> KR-1 started with open cockpit?
> I remember seeing photos of it in very old news
> releases, cannot remember where.

On Don Ried's site, specifically at
http://users.erols.com/donreid/sportaviation/Kr73-1.HTM .

Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
mailto:langford@hiwaay.net
see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford

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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:06:51 -0700
To: <KRnet@mailinglists.org>,
	"Mark Langford" <langford@hiwaay.net>
From: "wstarrs" <wstarrs@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: KR> OPEN COCKPIT
Message-ID: <000101c2e1a8$0628fce0$9200a8c0@bstarrs>

The Cover of Popular Mechanics 11970some thing
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Langford" <langford@hiwaay.net>
To: <KRnet@mailinglists.org>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:52 AM
Subject: Re: KR> OPEN COCKPIT

> Frank Ross wrote:
> 
> > Since you specify KR-2, I take it you know the first
> > KR-1 started with open cockpit?
> > I remember seeing photos of it in very old news
> > releases, cannot remember where.
> 
> On Don Ried's site, specifically at
> http://users.erols.com/donreid/sportaviation/Kr73-1.HTM .
> 
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
> mailto:langford@hiwaay.net
> see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 07:51:17 -0600
To: "kr net" <krnet@mailinglists.org>
From: "JIM VANCE" <VANCE@CLAFLINWILDCATS.COM>
Subject: Cowling reinforcement
Message-ID: <001001c2e18c$9d04be40$0900a8c0@oemcomputer>

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I visited a RV project yesterday (one of those guys who ASSEMBLE =
airplanes as compared to BUILDING a KR).  He had a factory made cowling =
that was reinforced with 1/4" thick honeycomb.  The result was a light =
weight, but very stiff, cowling.

Has anyone had experience with using honecomb for stiffening panels?  If =
so, where can I get some?  Both Spruce and Wicks don't have it listed in =
their catalog.  It looks like an excellent alternative to trying to make =
1/4" thick foam to make the sandwich.

Thanks.
                                                    Jim Vance
                                                    =
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:41:00 -0600
To: <KRnet@mailinglists.org>
From: "Mark Langford" <langford@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: KR> Cowling reinforcement
Message-ID: <001201c2e192$e9a3b4d0$5e0ca58c@tbe.com>

JIM VANCE wrote:

>Has anyone had experience with using honecomb for stiffening panels?

Honeycomb works great with oven-cured prepreg stuff such as RR, Lancair, and
RV "factory" parts, but it's not practical for homebuilders, in my humble
opinion.  If you try to lay it up in the conventional manner, the honeycomb
will absorb a lot of the epoxy, making it way too heavy, and potentially
starving the glass.  I'd stick to Lastofoam for core material, myself...

Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
mailto:langford@hiwaay.net
see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford

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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 07:43:40 -0800 (PST)
To: KRnet@mailinglists.org
From: Scott Cable <s2cable1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: KR> Cowling reinforcement
Message-ID: <20030303154340.41687.qmail@web40807.mail.yahoo.com>

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Jim,
Using honeycomb for stiffening your composite panels is a great way to go IF:
1.) You have a female mold to do your layups in/on.
2.) You have a controlled environment to work in.
3.) You have access to radiographic or X-Ray inspection processes.
4.) autoclave
The biggest problem when using hoeycomb is that the honeycomb tends to absorb the epoxy, either crushes, or cuts the laminate fibers, or moves around during the curing process.
Big aerospace companies that use this stuff have propreitary processes & materials to counteract these tendancies.  So unless you have access to these types of facilities, stick to the proven processes outlined on the web and builders manuals.
 Mark Langford <langford@hiwaay.net> wrote:JIM VANCE wrote:

>Has anyone had experience with using honecomb for stiffening panels?

Honeycomb works great with oven-cured prepreg stuff such as RR, Lancair, and
RV "factory" parts, but it's not practical for homebuilders, in my humble
opinion. If you try to lay it up in the conventional manner, the honeycomb
will absorb a lot of the epoxy, making it way too heavy, and potentially
starving the glass. I'd stick to Lastofoam for core material, myself...

Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
mailto:langford@hiwaay.net
see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford

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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:17:56 EST
To: KRnet@mailinglists.org
From: WMartensJr@aol.com
Subject: Re: KR> Cowling reinforcement
Message-ID: <198.168f32b7.2b950464@aol.com>

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You were probably speaking tongue in cheek Jim but RV's are far from an 
assembly project.  EAA Chap 81 president was building an RV-6 when I lived 
out there.  He was doing some fabulous work which you can see on the latest 
issue of Sport Aviation, but believe me, it's building!  Great planes too.  
:)

I guess I sorta like just about all aircraft.

Best regards,
Walt

In a message dated 3/3/2003 8:53:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
VANCE@CLAFLINWILDCATS.COM writes:

> I visited a RV project yesterday (one of those guys who ASSEMBLE airplanes 
> as compared to BUILDING a KR).  He had a factory made cowling that was 
> reinforced with 1/4" thick honeycomb.  The result was a light weight, but 
> very stiff, cowling.
> 

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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:20:46 -0600
To: "KR Builders List \(E-mail\)" <krnet@mailinglists.org>
From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen)
Subject: "Glacier Girl" program tonite
Message-ID: <001f01c2e190$150b5680$0200a8c0@dad>

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Guys,

Just a reminder of the "Glacier Girl" program tonite, on the History =
Channel , Ch. 269, 8:00 PM to 9:30 PM Central. =20

Ed Janssen
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:32:08 -0500
To: "'KRnet@mailinglists.org'" <KRnet@mailinglists.org>
From: Anthony Underwood <xbs4fiverivers@xrxgsn.com>
Subject: RE: KR> "Glacier Girl" program tonite
Message-ID: <01C2E167.F5B5AB00.xbs4fiverivers@xrxgsn.com>

I was just up there yesterday,it's a brand new airplane,Anthony

-----Original Message-----
From:	Ed Janssen [SMTP:ejanssen@chipsnet.com]
Sent:	Monday, March 03, 2003 9:21 AM
To:	KR Builders List (E-mail)
Subject:	KR> "Glacier Girl" program tonite

Guys,

Just a reminder of the "Glacier Girl" program tonite, on the History Channel , Ch. 269, 8:00 PM to 9:30 PM Central.  

Ed Janssen

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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:33:13 -0500
To: "'KRnet@mailinglists.org'" <KRnet@mailinglists.org>
From: Anthony Underwood <xbs4fiverivers@xrxgsn.com>
Subject: RE: KR> "Glacier Girl" program tonite
Message-ID: <01C2E167.F771B2E0.xbs4fiverivers@xrxgsn.com>

I was just up there yesterday,it's a brand new airplane,Anthony

-----Original Message-----
From:	Ed Janssen [SMTP:ejanssen@chipsnet.com]
Sent:	Monday, March 03, 2003 9:21 AM
To:	KR Builders List (E-mail)
Subject:	KR> "Glacier Girl" program tonite

Guys,

Just a reminder of the "Glacier Girl" program tonite, on the History Channel , Ch. 269, 8:00 PM to 9:30 PM Central.  

Ed Janssen

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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:44:06 +0100
To: "KRnet" <krnet@mailinglists.org>
From: "Aripo" <krfrank@libero.it>
Subject:  I-KRFN Website updated 
Message-ID: <003401c2e19e$6e408640$1eb31997@aripo>

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To all

Hi netters , I've just updated my website www.negri.cjb.net with new =
composite speed brake with bowden actuator and definitive Rotax cowling =
and more , new fresh air NACA inlets etc.

Ciao
Franco Negri
I-KRFN
 =20

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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 13:22:22 -0500
To: <KRnet@mailinglists.org>
From: "ROBERT COOPER" <kr2cooper@msn.com>
Subject: Re: KR>  I-KRFN Website updated
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV240MeBrP7O00001115b@hotmail.com>

Franco
Very nice job on the speed brake. I like the way it will be flush when not
deployed.
Jack Cooper
mailto:kr2cooper@msn.com
http://www.jackandsandycooper.com/kr2
Fayetteville, NC.

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To: "KRnet" <krnet@mailinglists.org>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 10:44 AM
Subject: KR> I-KRFN Website updated

To all

Hi netters , I've just updated my website www.negri.cjb.net with new
composite speed brake with bowden actuator and definitive Rotax cowling and
more , new fresh air NACA inlets etc.

Ciao
Franco Negri
I-KRFN

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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:00:42 -0600
To: <KRnet@mailinglists.org>
From: "Richard.Cowles" <richardcowles@knology.net>
Subject: Control Rods
Message-ID: <001501c2e1bf$958f6100$1a2ad618@knology.net>

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Hi All,

Has anyone used a complete control rod system for there KR?  Pros and =
Cons?  I have looked through the archive and found folks using rod/cable =
systems, but not just rod systems...

Richard
Madison, Alabama
richardcowles@knology.net

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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:34:08 -0800
To: <KRnet@mailinglists.org>
From: "jim @ synergy design" <synergydesign@sopris.net>
Subject: Re: KR> Control Rods
Message-ID: <000c01c2e1dd$646bbec0$0101a8c0@pavilion>

Richard, I am using a combo method of rods for aileron, and cables for
rudder/elev(aft of rear spar.) I started out using using a tube for the
elevator, but found it was too long and had too much flex. I tried to use
guide blocks, but found if it was close enough to guide it ,it was prone to
binding.The longest run for my aieloron rods is 3'-6"(stick to bellcrank) I
am using 5/8"x.032 wall 4130 tubing.  This will weigh more than the all
cable system, But I like the way it feels. I think the only way to get a
stiff elev. rod would be to make one out of carbon fiber with a fairly large
dia. (2"?). I can't see a good reason to use rods for the rudder.    Hope
this helps,  Jim Sporka ----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard.Cowles" <richardcowles@knology.net>
To: <KRnet@mailinglists.org>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 12:00 PM
Subject: KR> Control Rods

Hi All,

Has anyone used a complete control rod system for there KR?  Pros and Cons?
I have looked through the archive and found folks using rod/cable systems,
but not just rod systems...

Richard
Madison, Alabama
richardcowles@knology.net

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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:16:40 -0800
To: KRnet@mailinglists.org
From: "Shawn Zabo" <SZabo@tams.com>
Subject: Re: KR> Cowling
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:39:15 -0600
To: <KRnet@mailinglists.org>
From: "Edwin Blocher" <EBLOCHER@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear
Message-ID: <008a01c2e1d5$b9b621c0$0201a8c0@computer>

Brian and Justin,
I have never had any dealings with Dan Diehl. I bought a grove gear and
Robbie Grove and Tina who took all my ordering information were great to
deal with. Grove will make a gear to your specifications,ie: width heigth,
gun drill the brake line it, etc. and guarantee it if you land too hard and
break it. I don't think he guarantees anything about breaking yourself (-:
ED
Ed Blocher
Santa Rosa Beach, FL
eblocher@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Justin" <jmw116@socal.rr.com>
To: <KRnet@mailinglists.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear

> Grove offers botht he 1 peice and the 2 peice. Im thinking the best idea
is
> make the gear longer but leave a smaller prop somethign like 56". If you
> take advantage of the extra length in the gear then your still back at the
> same problem of prop clearance. Alittle over level attitude and ill hit
the
> prop, if turning a bigger prop is only going to help climb not worth it to
> me. My concern is cruisespeed more then climb.
>
> Justin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Ross" <alamokr2@yahoo.com>
> To: <KRnet@mailinglists.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 1:25 AM
> Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear
>
>
> > Brian,
> > I believe what Orma (Aviation Mechanic) is talking
> > about is the one-piece-type gear. It is basically a
> > bow attached beneath the aircraft. Maybe he'd tell us
> > what he likes about it over the Diehl gear which is
> > two (or more) seperate legs, each attached to a
> > bracket in the wing stub.
> > I'm pretty sure Grove makes a similar gear.
> > Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX
> >
> > --- Brian Kraut <engalt@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > Rand sells the Diehl gear.
> > >
> > > The Diehl and the Grove both have their advantages.
> > > I would say it is
> > > about a 50/50 toss up, but Dan Diehl is one of the
> > > most helpfull and
> > > friendly people I have ever spoken to.  I have
> > > bought several things
> > > from him and it is worth it just to buy something so
> > > you can get him on
> > > the phone for advice.
> > >
> > > AviationMech@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > >In a message dated 3/1/2003 3:41:55 AM Eastern
> > > Standard Time,
> > > >jmw116@socal.rr.com writes:
> > > >
> > > >>ordering my landing gear.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >On N110LR I converted from the original retract to
> > > the Rand gear.  I highly
> > > >recommend this gear
> > > >AviationMech
> > > >KR-2 N110LR
> > > >1984 to Present
> > > >www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech
> >
> >
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:54:56 EST
To: KRnet@mailinglists.org
From: AviationMech@aol.com
Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear
Message-ID: <e.2d9e3fc7.2b953740@aol.com>

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In a message dated 3/3/2003 2:26:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
alamokr2@yahoo.com writes:

> Maybe he'd tell us
> what he likes about it 

The gear that is attached to N110LR was sold by Rand as a direct replacement 
for the retract gear.  It used different brackets, but actually bolted 
through the same holes as the retract did.  The conversion, except for 
fairing in the bottom of the fuselage only took about 4 hours.  As stated the 
gear attached to angle castings, which bolted to the spar after a doubler was 
attached.  
I have a KR-2 bolt which is on Diehl gear.  It is strong, springy and has a 
wide track.  I honestly believe it is well designedd and built.   Once 
burried in the center section, it is hard to get to if for some reason 
(Martin Roberts giving rides to big guys) you might need to get at it for 
inspection, service or repair.  
If, for some reason I might want to service or replace it, the gear that's 
under N110LR can be dropped from under the fuselage by removing the Hyd lines 
to the brakes and removing 6 bolts.  I've been an aircraft mechanic since the 
age of 19, and I'm now 55.  I have great respect for things that can be 
easily dissambled and repaired after manufacture.
Orma aka AviationMech
KR-2 N110LR
1984 to Present
www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech

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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:06:25 EST
To: KRnet@mailinglists.org
From: AviationMech@aol.com
Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear
Message-ID: <33.34fe942c.2b9539f1@aol.com>

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In a message dated 3/3/2003 2:29:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
jmw116@socal.rr.com writes:

> My concern is cruisespeed more then climb

> When next you are in a goup of KR drivers discuss the issue of climb and 
> cruise.  The wings of the KR are lightly loaded.  This means that it will 
> not ride as well in rough air.  Unless you have a large tall cockpit, 
> making a seat that will take the jolts that the air currents pass to the 
> fuselage, higher speeds may not be as comfortable.  When you finish your 
> craft, and if it is really light and your engine suffiently large, you may 
> opt for a prop that can lift you, a passenger, a few toys, and a change of 
> clothing off the ground in a short enough distance for the airplane to be 
> useful on a very hot.  This is just a point for you to consider.  Choose 
> wisely, props are'nt cheap.

Orma aka AviationMech
KR-2 N110LR
1984 to Present
www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech

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Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 17:41:11 -0600
To: KRnet@mailinglists.org
From: gleone <gleone@tritel.net>
Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear
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I've chatted via email with Dan Diehl and have nothing but utter and complete
respect for him.  I have fixed gear on a KR-2 I bought that ground looped (Diehl
gear) and will be buying my nose wheel from him here shortly for use on my
KR-1.  I may be prejudiced, but I think he has a great product for excellent
prices and is very responsive to inquiries.  Nuff said!

Edwin Blocher wrote:

> Brian and Justin,
> I have never had any dealings with Dan Diehl. I bought a grove gear and
> Robbie Grove and Tina who took all my ordering information were great to
> deal with. Grove will make a gear to your specifications,ie: width heigth,
> gun drill the brake line it, etc. and guarantee it if you land too hard and
> break it. I don't think he guarantees anything about breaking yourself (-:
> ED
> Ed Blocher
> Santa Rosa Beach, FL
> eblocher@earthlink.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Justin" <jmw116@socal.rr.com>
> To: <KRnet@mailinglists.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 11:28 PM
> Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear
>
> > Grove offers botht he 1 peice and the 2 peice. Im thinking the best idea
> is
> > make the gear longer but leave a smaller prop somethign like 56". If you
> > take advantage of the extra length in the gear then your still back at the
> > same problem of prop clearance. Alittle over level attitude and ill hit
> the
> > prop, if turning a bigger prop is only going to help climb not worth it to
> > me. My concern is cruisespeed more then climb.
> >
> > Justin
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Ross" <alamokr2@yahoo.com>
> > To: <KRnet@mailinglists.org>
> > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 1:25 AM
> > Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear
> >
> >
> > > Brian,
> > > I believe what Orma (Aviation Mechanic) is talking
> > > about is the one-piece-type gear. It is basically a
> > > bow attached beneath the aircraft. Maybe he'd tell us
> > > what he likes about it over the Diehl gear which is
> > > two (or more) seperate legs, each attached to a
> > > bracket in the wing stub.
> > > I'm pretty sure Grove makes a similar gear.
> > > Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX
> > >
> > > --- Brian Kraut <engalt@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > > Rand sells the Diehl gear.
> > > >
> > > > The Diehl and the Grove both have their advantages.
> > > > I would say it is
> > > > about a 50/50 toss up, but Dan Diehl is one of the
> > > > most helpfull and
> > > > friendly people I have ever spoken to.  I have
> > > > bought several things
> > > > from him and it is worth it just to buy something so
> > > > you can get him on
> > > > the phone for advice.
> > > >
> > > > AviationMech@aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >In a message dated 3/1/2003 3:41:55 AM Eastern
> > > > Standard Time,
> > > > >jmw116@socal.rr.com writes:
> > > > >
> > > > >>ordering my landing gear.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >On N110LR I converted from the original retract to
> > > > the Rand gear.  I highly
> > > > >recommend this gear
> > > > >AviationMech
> > > > >KR-2 N110LR
> > > > >1984 to Present
> > > > >www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech
> > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more
> > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:09:56 -0600
To: "KRNet" <krnet@mailinglists.org>
From: "Edwin Blocher" <EBLOCHER@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: KR Net, etc.
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Right now I am so disgusted at all the "experts and their opinion" that =
if someone wanted to buy my project, I would sell it.
Offer a comment, not an opinion, and get a negative response somehow =
doesn't seem like what this should be all about.
And while I'm venting, How about you guys with all the answers signing =
your e-mails with your name and e-mail address. Someone might like to =
know who the Heck you are and respond to you off-net.
Sorry guys,
ED
Ed Blocher
Santa Rosa Beach, FL
eblocher@earthlink.net

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