From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 21 Mar 2003 14:42:15 -0000 Issue 665 Date: Friday, March 21, 2003 7:43 AM krnet Digest 21 Mar 2003 14:42:15 -0000 Issue 665 Topics (messages 15999 through 16028): Re: Question 15999 by: Timothy Bellville 16000 by: Dan Heath 16001 by: Timothy Bellville 16017 by: Dan Heath Re: Paint Temperature 16002 by: Phil Payne 16003 by: Phil Payne 16004 by: Wayne 16007 by: Dana Overall 16008 by: Ron Eason 16009 by: Wayne Plans. 16005 by: Volucer 16006 by: Volucer 16016 by: Edwin Blocher 16020 by: Volucer 16025 by: Scott Cable Re: Slipping with Flaps 16010 by: bill kirkland 16013 by: larry severson Off topic 16011 by: NORMAN SEEL 16012 by: gleone 16019 by: Ron Freiberger Re: Return Reciept 16014 by: rossy Starter switch? 16015 by: Darren Pond 16018 by: Mark Langford 16024 by: Dan Heath Forming Plexiglas 16021 by: JIM VANCE 16023 by: Dan Heath 16026 by: wstarrs 16028 by: Ron Freiberger starter switch 16022 by: Flymaca711689.aol.com 16027 by: JEHayward.aol.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:35:20 -0500 To: From: "Timothy Bellville" Subject: Re: KR> Question Message-ID: <005d01c2ee89$5aa099c0$e35f570c@default> Hey Guys, I have another one for you. What kind of tail wheel/assembly is everyone using? The one I have is very small and shoddy looking. Also does one use "feather Fill ' over the smoothprime before the top coat?And I really want to go with a ALm. or silver top coat, any problems? Thanks again Tim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:45:11 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Question Message-Id: <3E795567.000040.01328@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_BB91Z5E4G6G000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you use feather fill, you will just have a lot of smoothing out to do = all over again. You should have it ready to go after the smooth prime and I would just use a regular primer so you can really see it and wet sand it with a 220 or 400 prior to paint.=0D =0D I made the mistake of using a filler primer like feather fill over the smooth prime and I wish I had not done that.=0D =0D I am also interested in what tail wheel configurations people are using.=20 Ours is attached with a bolt and I am not sure that will work very well o= ver time. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_BB91Z5E4G6G000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:00:30 -0500 To: From: "Timothy Bellville" Subject: Re: KR> Question Message-ID: <008c01c2ee8c$deb2ff20$e35f570c@default> Hi Dan, How many Gal. do you thinks it would take to do a KR2? I already ordered one Gal. and was told that It will be hard to get for awhile due to a fire at a warehouse. Thanks Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 12:45 AM Subject: Re: KR> Question If you use feather fill, you will just have a lot of smoothing out to do all over again. You should have it ready to go after the smooth prime and I would just use a regular primer so you can really see it and wet sand it with a 220 or 400 prior to paint. I made the mistake of using a filler primer like feather fill over the smooth prime and I wish I had not done that. I am also interested in what tail wheel configurations people are using. Ours is attached with a bolt and I am not sure that will work very well over time. N64KR Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Red Oak - 2003 See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 21:41:56 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Question Message-Id: <3E7AA624.000049.01328@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_WT33QTF4G6G000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: How many Gal. do you thinks it would take to do a KR2?=0D =0D Tim,=0D =0D I have one gallon and have done the bottom with about 1/4 of it, not including the outboard wings as they already have a finish on them.=0D =0D I have 2 gallons of paint, but expect that I will have at least 1/2 gallo= n left when I am finished. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_WT33QTF4G6G000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:04:31 -0600 To: From: "Phil Payne" Subject: Re: KR> Paint Temperature Message-ID: <021c01c2eee9$a22c5440$6fc644c6@oemcomputer> Look in the back of the DR Construction Manual. In mine, it' on page116. Phil Payne N39PP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 1:56 PM Subject: KR> Paint Temperature > > Yep, searched the archives and still can't find what I'm looking for. I've > stubbed my toes all day on the internet looking for a color vs. temperature > chart. Does anybody know a site? > > I'm looking for the the difference between red and black. I'm figuring > black isn't that much hotter than red. Gloss black with gold > trim......................... > > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > RV-7 slider/fuselage > http://rvflying.tripod.com > do not archive > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:09:21 -0600 To: From: "Phil Payne" Subject: Re: KR> Paint Temperature Message-ID: <023d01c2eeea$4e4fb640$6fc644c6@oemcomputer> On the chart in the construction manual, it shows black at 230+ degrees at 110 ambient degrees with red at 220 degrees and white at 160 degrees at the same temps. At 90 degrees ambient, black shows 210, red 190 and white at 140. Phil Payne N39PP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 4:58 PM Subject: Re: KR> Paint Temperature > > > > > > > I'm figuring > > > black isn't that much hotter than red. > > > >Can't say where that chart is, but I'm sure I read the same thing about red > >vs black > >Orma aka AviationMech > > > I know this isn't KR so whip me with that AN3-wetnoodle.5 but I don't have > the KR plans anymore. Seems I pitched mine when I figured I have to > remeasure everything anyway:-) I don't have #90 of page 19%7#9^. > > The only reason I am looking for this is there are a lot of solid red RVs > and my thoughts on a gloss jet black with gold trim can't be much different > than red. You can go to my website and look at misc. link of the pictures > of my Bonanza. I am planning on replacing that blue fuselage strip with > gold and tranposing it onto the RV. Gold wingtips, horizontal stab tips and > vertical stab tips. > > Just looking for a chart, if anyone knows where one's at. > > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > RV-7 slider/fuselage > http://rvflying.tripod.com > do not archive > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 07:56:00 -0800 To: From: "Wayne" Subject: Re: KR> Paint Temperature Message-ID: <004001c2eef9$3432b140$6701a8c0@HISPEEDWIRELESS.COM> Dana Finally a question in my line, the heat absorbed by any color is directly related to the amount of light it can reflect or should I say the amount it absorbs. This is measured by every paint manufacturer and given a Light Reflective Value. You can go to any paint store and ask to see sample chips. They should have the LRV printed on the sample I have Sherwin Williams on my desk and the LRV for Black is 2% the LRV for a nice deep red is 11% Just for reference White is 85%. I hope this makes sense with 15 years of paint fumes things get a little fuzzy. thanks Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: Dana Overall To: Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 11:56 AM Subject: KR> Paint Temperature > > Yep, searched the archives and still can't find what I'm looking for. I've > stubbed my toes all day on the internet looking for a color vs. temperature > chart. Does anybody know a site? > > I'm looking for the the difference between red and black. I'm figuring > black isn't that much hotter than red. Gloss black with gold > trim......................... > > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > RV-7 slider/fuselage > http://rvflying.tripod.com > do not archive > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:25:52 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> Paint Temperature Message-ID: Do these %'s relate in any way to the actual surface temp. With my RV, the cowl and wingtips are epoxy gelcoated, the rest is alum. I'm not concerned so much about the temp. but for reference only. The reason I ask about any % corralation is the chart posted on a couple websites show a temp. of 110 and white shows 160 degrees. If white reflects 85%, how does this relate to surface temp? I realize the amount of direct sunlight is the major factor. I guess I might be able to come up with some kind of relationship between black at 2% with a temp. of 238 and white at 85% with a temp. of 160 and just plug numbers between the extremes. Wonder where gold is? Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive >From: "Wayne" >Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org >To: >Subject: Re: KR> Paint Temperature >Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 07:56:00 -0800 > >Dana >Finally a question in my line, the heat absorbed by any color is directly >related to the amount of light it can reflect or should I say the amount it >absorbs. This is measured by every paint manufacturer and given a Light >Reflective Value. You can go to any paint store and ask to see sample >chips. >They should have the LRV printed on the sample I have Sherwin Williams on >my >desk and the LRV for Black is 2% the LRV for a nice deep red is 11% Just >for >reference White is 85%. I hope this makes sense with 15 years of paint >fumes >things get a little fuzzy. >thanks >Wayne _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:35:48 -0800 To: , From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Paint Temperature Message-Id: <200303200835.AA104595786@jrl-engineering.com> Heating is caused by Infra Red wave lenghts in the light specrum. The Reflective Index is not directly related to surface temps. I/R is invisable. KRRon ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Dana Overall" Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:25:52 -0500 >Do these %'s relate in any way to the actual surface temp. With my RV, the >cowl and wingtips are epoxy gelcoated, the rest is alum. I'm not concerned >so much about the temp. but for reference only. The reason I ask about any >% corralation is the chart posted on a couple websites show a temp. of 110 >and white shows 160 degrees. If white reflects 85%, how does this relate to >surface temp? I realize the amount of direct sunlight is the major factor. >I guess I might be able to come up with some kind of relationship between >black at 2% with a temp. of 238 and white at 85% with a temp. of 160 and >just plug numbers between the extremes. Wonder where gold is? > > > >Dana Overall >1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host >Richmond, KY >RV-7 slider/fuselage >http://rvflying.tripod.com >do not archive > > > > > >>From: "Wayne" >>Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org >>To: >>Subject: Re: KR> Paint Temperature >>Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 07:56:00 -0800 >> >>Dana >>Finally a question in my line, the heat absorbed by any color is directly >>related to the amount of light it can reflect or should I say the amount it >>absorbs. This is measured by every paint manufacturer and given a Light >>Reflective Value. You can go to any paint store and ask to see sample >>chips. >>They should have the LRV printed on the sample I have Sherwin Williams on >>my >>desk and the LRV for Black is 2% the LRV for a nice deep red is 11% Just >>for >>reference White is 85%. I hope this makes sense with 15 years of paint >>fumes >>things get a little fuzzy. >>thanks >>Wayne > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > -- Ronald R. Eason Sr. Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. 816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO. Jim Eason V.P, 770-446-1291, Atlanta, Georgia Web Page: www.jrl-engineering.com -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:48:30 -0800 To: From: "Wayne" Subject: Re: KR> Paint Temperature Message-ID: <00ae01c2ef00$9594f180$6701a8c0@HISPEEDWIRELESS.COM> Dana Obviously there are more variables than we have time to figure but in short. If 2 different samples of the same material were painted black and white then heated in a dark oven they would rise in temp at the same rate. now take these same samples set them in the direct sun. the sample painted with the lower LRV color will absorb more light energy (heat), rise in temp faster and to a higher temp. the variables to this could be the ability for the substrate to dissipate heat, (specific gravity if my memory serves, will an engineer please stand up?;) air movement or cooling and on and on. In my opinion Plugging a temp to a color is guestimating, too many variables. Golden rule sw 6383 LRV34% Thanks Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: Dana Overall To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 8:25 AM Subject: Re: KR> Paint Temperature > Do these %'s relate in any way to the actual surface temp. With my RV, the > cowl and wingtips are epoxy gelcoated, the rest is alum. I'm not concerned > so much about the temp. but for reference only. The reason I ask about any > % corralation is the chart posted on a couple websites show a temp. of 110 > and white shows 160 degrees. If white reflects 85%, how does this relate to > surface temp? I realize the amount of direct sunlight is the major factor. > I guess I might be able to come up with some kind of relationship between > black at 2% with a temp. of 238 and white at 85% with a temp. of 160 and > just plug numbers between the extremes. Wonder where gold is? > > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY > RV-7 slider/fuselage > http://rvflying.tripod.com > do not archive > > > > > > >From: "Wayne" > >Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org > >To: > >Subject: Re: KR> Paint Temperature > >Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 07:56:00 -0800 > > > >Dana > >Finally a question in my line, the heat absorbed by any color is directly > >related to the amount of light it can reflect or should I say the amount it > >absorbs. This is measured by every paint manufacturer and given a Light > >Reflective Value. You can go to any paint store and ask to see sample > >chips. > >They should have the LRV printed on the sample I have Sherwin Williams on > >my > >desk and the LRV for Black is 2% the LRV for a nice deep red is 11% Just > >for > >reference White is 85%. I hope this makes sense with 15 years of paint > >fumes > >things get a little fuzzy. > >thanks > >Wayne > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:06:58 +0100 To: From: "Volucer" Subject: Plans. Message-ID: <005901c2eefa$bd012a00$ee02a8c0@piv226> ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C2EF03.1E25CF90 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0056_01C2EF03.1E25CF90" ------=_NextPart_001_0056_01C2EF03.1E25CF90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GhiaccioDear Guys, I need an urgent confirm for the following: 1. Dose drawing A (fuselage KR2S) is 1:4, as I would like to start to = work on it. Thanks in advance, 73, Dr. Tsabari Shahar 0039.0365.761000 Italy ------=_NextPart_001_0056_01C2EF03.1E25CF90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ghiaccio
Dear Guys,
I need an urgent confirm for the following:
1. Dose drawing A (fuselage KR2S) is 1:4, as I would like to start = to work=20 on it.
Thanks in advance,
73,
Dr. Tsabari Shahar
0039.0365.761000
Italy

 

------=_NextPart_001_0056_01C2EF03.1E25CF90-- ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C2EF03.1E25CF90-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:23:49 +0100 To: From: "Volucer" Subject: Fw: Plans. Message-ID: <008d01c2eefd$17ae9850$ee02a8c0@piv226> ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01C2EF05.78C4E600 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_008A_01C2EF05.78C4E600" ------=_NextPart_001_008A_01C2EF05.78C4E600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GhiaccioDid I make a silly question? Can somebody assure to me the size = for the fuselage parts?=20 Please X 1000. Shahar ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Volucer=20 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=20 Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 5:06 PM Subject: Plans. Dear Guys, I need an urgent confirm for the following: 1. Dose drawing A (fuselage KR2S) is 1:4, as I would like to start to = work on it. Thanks in advance, 73, Dr. Tsabari Shahar 0039.0365.761000 Italy ------=_NextPart_001_008A_01C2EF05.78C4E600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ghiaccio

Did=20 I make a silly question? Can somebody assure to me the size for the = fuselage=20 parts?

Please=20 X 1000.

Shahar

 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Volucer
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 5:06 PM
Subject: Plans.

Dear Guys,
I need an urgent confirm for the following:
1. Dose drawing A (fuselage KR2S) is 1:4, as I would like to start = to work=20 on it.
Thanks in advance,
73,
Dr. Tsabari Shahar
0039.0365.761000
Italy

 

------=_NextPart_001_008A_01C2EF05.78C4E600-- ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01C2EF05.78C4E600-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 19:12:55 -0600 To: From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: Re: KR> Plans. Message-ID: <004301c2ef47$017115a0$0201a8c0@computer> ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C2EF14.B64736E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GhiaccioDrawings are 1/4 inch scale or 1:4. 1/4 inch equals 1 inch. Ed Blocher Santa Rosa Beach, FL eblocher@earthlink.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Volucer=20 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=20 Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 10:06 AM Subject: KR> Plans. Dear Guys, I need an urgent confirm for the following: 1. Dose drawing A (fuselage KR2S) is 1:4, as I would like to start to = work on it. Thanks in advance, 73, Dr. Tsabari Shahar 0039.0365.761000 Italy ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C2EF14.B64736E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:31:44 +0100 To: From: "Volucer" Subject: Re: KR> Plans. Message-ID: <009b01c2ef95$131453a0$ee02a8c0@piv226> Edwin thank you. I notice that the plans are 1:4, having your confirm comfort me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edwin Blocher" To: Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 2:12 AM Subject: Re: KR> Plans. GhiaccioDrawings are 1/4 inch scale or 1:4. 1/4 inch equals 1 inch. Ed Blocher Santa Rosa Beach, FL eblocher@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Volucer To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 10:06 AM Subject: KR> Plans. Dear Guys, I need an urgent confirm for the following: 1. Dose drawing A (fuselage KR2S) is 1:4, as I would like to start to work on it. Thanks in advance, 73, Dr. Tsabari Shahar 0039.0365.761000 Italy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 05:03:29 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: KR> Plans. Message-ID: <20030321130329.77329.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1406387547-1048251809=:76749 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dr. Tsabari Shahar, I would highly recommend buying the Drafting Fundamentals Book by James Earl . As I stated before in my previous eMails, you really need to read through the builders manula, and review and STUDY the prints BEFORE you start cutting wood. Trust me, this will save you so much time and expense. So, go back to the drawing board and study the prints again. The information you requested (scale) is in the title block on the print. Volucer wrote: BODY { MARGIN-TOP: 20px; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 50px; COLOR: #006666; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica}Dear Guys,I need an urgent confirm for the following:1. Dose drawing A (fuselage KR2S) is 1:4, as I would like to start to work on it.Thanks in advance,73,Dr. Tsabari Shahar 0039.0365.761000 Italy Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Linden, MI s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! --0-1406387547-1048251809=:76749-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 13:14:03 -0500 To: From: "bill kirkland" Subject: Re: KR> Slipping with Flaps Message-ID: <001401c2ef0c$824fa960$eb942a18@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Slipping is easy but the nose will tend to come up and you could stall on final. Not good! You must remember to keep the nose down when slipping or compensating for a crosswind. W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry severson" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 11:23 AM Subject: Re: KR> Slipping with Flaps > At 08:58 AM 3/19/2003 -0600, you wrote: > >How do the KR's slip anyways. > > Slipping is easy. It simply requires right aileron - left rudder or left > aileron - right rudder. Practice at altitude a bit and all fear will > disappear. Use the format that gives you the best view of the runway, but > crosswinds may well impact your choice. > > >I seen Richard Shirley slip his in with a > >steep dive and nail the #'s every time. Cleanest airplane with the best of a > >pilot. > > Larry Severson > Fountain Valley, CA 92708 > (714) 968-9852 > larry2@socal.rr.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 12:55:39 -0800 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> Slipping with Flaps Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030320125414.00b3b850@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Slipping is the result of cross control use. This creates DRAG. To keep up flying speed, either add power or drop the nose. At 01:14 PM 3/20/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Slipping is easy but the nose will tend to come up and you could stall on >final. Not good! You must remember to keep the nose down when slipping or >compensating for a crosswind. >W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND >kirkland@vianet.on.ca Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 13:56:41 -0800 To: "Corvaircraft" From: "NORMAN SEEL" Cc: "krnet" Subject: Off topic Message-ID: <00c101c2ef2b$976b0280$906a3f04@dslverizon.net> ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C2EEE8.88CAA340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Submissions on lists that have the message "Request Read Receipt" show = up before you can read the emails is irritating and should not be used. = Disagree? Norm ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C2EEE8.88CAA340-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:54:40 -0700 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: gleone Subject: Re: KR> Off topic Message-ID: <3E7A0E70.23880712@tritel.net> --------------A11F05FFDA0D2C2537EF2D36 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just click "No". Some folks set up their email for return receipts. When I get them I just click through and read the message. NORMAN SEEL wrote: > Submissions on lists that have the message "Request Read Receipt" show up before you can read the emails is irritating and should not be used. Disagree? > > Norm --------------A11F05FFDA0D2C2537EF2D36-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 23:56:36 -0500 To: From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> Off topic Message-ID: I see NO REASON for 500 persons to send a read receipt. Someone has delusions of grandeur. Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: gleone [mailto:gleone@tritel.net] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 1:55 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Off topic << File: ATT00005.txt >> Just click "No". Some folks set up their email for return receipts. When I get them I just click through and read the message. NORMAN SEEL wrote: > Submissions on lists that have the message "Request Read Receipt" show up before you can read the emails is irritating and should not be used. Disagree? > > Norm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:27:56 -0800 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: rossy Subject: Re: KR> Return Reciept Message-ID: <3E7A406C.BBF3E22B@attbi.com> I figure if enougy people click "yes" to the return reciept question to a KRnet post from these folks, then that individual will learn how to turn the return reciept question off. BTW this message had a return reciept question and I said yes. Answering YES to a return reciept question is part of a "awe and stun" policy. gleone wrote: > > Just click "No". Some folks set up their email for return receipts. When I get them I just click through and read the message. > > NORMAN SEEL wrote: > > > Submissions on lists that have the message "Request Read Receipt" show up before you can read the emails is irritating and should not be used. Disagree? > > > > Norm > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:58:45 -0500 To: , "KR Net \(E-mail\)" From: "Darren Pond" Subject: Starter switch? Message-ID: <000a01c2ef3c$a570bb20$0100a8c0@cambr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2EF12.BC9AB320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What is every one using for a starter switch with electric start? 1835 VW Darren Pond KR2 C-GGGW almost ready to return to the skies Taylor Mono Plane CF-VML waiting for spring at CYKF PondHopper 2place with 2 kids seats on the shop floor Cambridge Ontario Canada pond27@rogers.com ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2EF12.BC9AB320-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 21:50:53 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Starter switch? Message-ID: <005601c2ef5d$122189a0$1202a8c0@basement> Darren Pond wrote: > What is every one using for a starter switch with electric start? I got mine from Cole Hersee, at http://www.colehersee.com/catalog_top/index.htm . It was maybe $15 or so, and is just a "normal" automotive switch, with OFF, ON, and START postions. These guys have probably been making switches for 50 years. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 07:45:32 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Starter switch? Message-Id: <3E7B339C.000053.01328@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_WRV3CRK5BHK000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Darren Pond wrote:=0D =0D > What is every one using for a starter switch with electric start?=0D =0D We are using a momentary starter switch, the kind you push and hold down while you want the starter to run. We are using separate Mag and Electro= nic Ignition on/off switches.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_WRV3CRK5BHK000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 05:49:46 -0600 To: "kr net" From: "JIM VANCE" Subject: Forming Plexiglas Message-ID: <002201c2efa0$0c8d7c40$0800a8c0@oemcomputer> ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C2EF6D.ADD0A100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Ann Landers, I have made my KR-2 somewhat flat on the top of the canopy, instead of = the conventional bubble shape. So I have to mold my own windshield and = canopy. The windshield was a piece of cake. The top of the canopy is curved in = both directions, so I need aPlexiglas temperature approaching 400 = degrees F. to foam the canopy. My initial oven was made of blue foam = house insulation. I learned that it melts long before the Plexiglas got = soft. I found a local company that makes plastic molding equipment, and he = offered to make my canopy as a means of testing his machine. He did, = and it fit well. But, I did not have it properly supported, and cracked = it when I was drilling a mounting hole. I decided to try again to mold my own canopy. I read the archives and = found out that some have used a cardboard box and their barbeque grill. = So, I made a box to hang the Plexiglas in. I put an opening at one end = so I could used my tank-mounted radiant heater as the heat source. I fired it up to test the temperature rise. I went into the hangar to = get my IR temperature sensor. When I got back, the cardboard box was on = fire. I grabbed a five gallon bucket of water and got it doused. After cleaning up the shop for two days, I'm ready to try again. Does = anyone have some GOOD experiences heating a cardboard box to 390 degrees = F.? What now, coach? Jim Vance Vance@ClaflinWildcats.com ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C2EF6D.ADD0A100-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 07:39:26 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Forming Plexiglas Message-Id: <3E7B322E.00004F.01328@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_QHV3WK45BHK000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: I read the archives and found out that some have used =0D =0D When I was trying to find out what you are trying to find out, I recieved many different options. I could not determine the validity or viability = of most of those. The cardboard box one, struck me as a little odd, so I di= d not pursue that one.=0D =0D If you want to see something that does and has worked, look on our site. = We have completely documented the process. It takes no more that 250 degree= s, in fact, if you can keep it under 250, your results will be better. Gett= ing your temperatures even across the area is most important.=0D =0D We used 3/16 acrylic of the Plexiglas brand and are in the process of installing it now.=0D =0D Next time you drill your windshield for mounting, use a plexiglas drill.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_QHV3WK45BHK000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 07:22:26 -0700 To: From: "wstarrs" Subject: Re: KR> Forming Plexiglas Message-ID: <003801c2efb5$4ca07b60$9200a8c0@bstarrs> Jim if what you are trying to mold will fit in the kitchen oven, there is no need to build any thing. It worked for me. Love , Annie ----- Original Message ----- From: "JIM VANCE" To: "kr net" Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 4:49 AM Subject: KR> Forming Plexiglas Dear Ann Landers, I have made my KR-2 somewhat flat on the top of the canopy, instead of the conventional bubble shape. So I have to mold my own windshield and canopy. The windshield was a piece of cake. The top of the canopy is curved in both directions, so I need aPlexiglas temperature approaching 400 degrees F. to foam the canopy. My initial oven was made of blue foam house insulation. I learned that it melts long before the Plexiglas got soft. I found a local company that makes plastic molding equipment, and he offered to make my canopy as a means of testing his machine. He did, and it fit well. But, I did not have it properly supported, and cracked it when I was drilling a mounting hole. I decided to try again to mold my own canopy. I read the archives and found out that some have used a cardboard box and their barbeque grill. So, I made a box to hang the Plexiglas in. I put an opening at one end so I could used my tank-mounted radiant heater as the heat source. I fired it up to test the temperature rise. I went into the hangar to get my IR temperature sensor. When I got back, the cardboard box was on fire. I grabbed a five gallon bucket of water and got it doused. After cleaning up the shop for two days, I'm ready to try again. Does anyone have some GOOD experiences heating a cardboard box to 390 degrees F.? What now, coach? Jim Vance Vance@ClaflinWildcats.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:42:28 -0500 To: From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> Forming Plexiglas Message-ID: Yes, I've done it several times. One operative word is Charcoal. This give a smokeless heat and a gentle operation. I suspended the box well above the grill by rope and pulley to give some latitude. I don't remember the forming temperatures, but it's well below 400. Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: JIM VANCE [mailto:VANCE@CLAFLINWILDCATS.COM] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 6:50 AM To: kr net Subject: KR> Forming Plexiglas Dear Ann Landers, I have made my KR-2 somewhat flat on the top of the canopy, instead of the conventional bubble shape. So I have to mold my own windshield and canopy. The windshield was a piece of cake. The top of the canopy is curved in both directions, so I need aPlexiglas temperature approaching 400 degrees F. to foam the canopy. My initial oven was made of blue foam house insulation. I learned that it melts long before the Plexiglas got soft. I found a local company that makes plastic molding equipment, and he offered to make my canopy as a means of testing his machine. He did, and it fit well. But, I did not have it properly supported, and cracked it when I was drilling a mounting hole. I decided to try again to mold my own canopy. I read the archives and found out that some have used a cardboard box and their barbeque grill. So, I made a box to hang the Plexiglas in. I put an opening at one end so I could used my tank-mounted radiant heater as the heat source. I fired it up to test the temperature rise. I went into the hangar to get my IR temperature sensor. When I got back, the cardboard box was on fire. I grabbed a five gallon bucket of water and got it doused. After cleaning up the shop for two days, I'm ready to try again. Does anyone have some GOOD experiences heating a cardboard box to 390 degrees F.? What now, coach? Jim Vance Vance@ClaflinWildcats.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 07:24:22 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Flymaca711689@aol.com Subject: starter switch Message-ID: <161.1d80eeb9.2bac5e76@aol.com> --part1_161.1d80eeb9.2bac5e76_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Remember that switch is open running and grounded for off on a mag set up for most vw . universal auto type is wrong mac --part1_161.1d80eeb9.2bac5e76_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:31:33 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> starter switch Message-ID: <1d3.5947878.2bac7c45@aol.com> In a message dated 3/21/03 5:25:07 AM Mountain Standard Time, Flymaca711689@aol.com writes: << Remember that switch is open running and grounded for off on a mag set up for most vw . universal auto type is wrong >> He may have separate mag switches like we do on our ultralights in which case the auto switches work just fine. Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************