From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 25 Mar 2003 06:18:19 -0000 Issue 668 Date: Monday, March 24, 2003 11:19 PM krnet Digest 25 Mar 2003 06:18:19 -0000 Issue 668 Topics (messages 16089 through 16118): Re: toe-in/camber 16089 by: Jim Faughn 16094 by: JEAN VERON Re: painting tips how to 16090 by: Jumpnkd.aol.com EAA Tech Counselor Inspection 16091 by: Bob Re: aileron bell cranks 16092 by: Cowgirlflying.wmconnect.com nose gear 16093 by: Bob Sauer EAA question 16095 by: Christine A Bounds 16096 by: kevin Aileron bellcranks........ 16097 by: KRJerry 16099 by: Mark Langford 16100 by: Cowgirlflying.wmconnect.com Photo of the Week update. 16098 by: Mark Jones Re: RR? 16101 by: virgnvs.juno.com aileron bellcranks......... 16102 by: KRJerry KR dinner SUN'n'FUN 16103 by: Ron Thomas 16105 by: virgnvs.juno.com wheel alignment 16104 by: John and Janet Martindale Re: Plans. 16106 by: Scott Cable Re: KR G-factor 16107 by: Justin 16115 by: Mark Langford 16116 by: Justin Re: New Airfoils 16108 by: Scott Cable brakes 16109 by: larry severson 16110 by: NORMAN SEEL 16111 by: Edwin Blocher 16112 by: Dan Heath Brake Manufacturers 16113 by: Peter Johnson 16114 by: Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff Kr HangerQueens 16117 by: BABYWOLF.aol.com 16118 by: WA7YXF.aol.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 15:37:43 -0600 To: "KR Net Response" From: "Jim Faughn" Subject: Re: KR> toe-in/camber Message-ID: <000801c2f184$7022c860$dd466ad8@jfaughn> I did exactly what you are suggesting on my wheels. I had our students mill me a couple of shims to my specifications. Both sides were different but it didn't take them long. I set the wheels at 0 degrees forward and probably didn't get it perfect because of the tire wear I get. The plane tracks great. Jim Faughn 4323D Laclede Ave. St. Louis, MO 63108 (314)652-7659 Mailto:jfaughn@mvp.net Web Site http://jfaughn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 8:00 AM Subject: Re: KR> toe-in/camber > Dan Heath wrote: > > >>How much do you think it will cost to get those shims machined? Are > >>you > concerned about the camber because it is uneven or because of the > amount? What do you think the camber should be? << > > Dan, > > As little as I know about Bridgeports, I still think I could machine > these shims in 20 minutes, so I'm hoping a REAL machinist could do it > in 10. Surely that can't cost me more than $25. I just noticed that > Wicks now sells some (page 163 of 2002 catalog) for $17 each, but I'd > need at least four to get close, 8 to do better. But machining them > to exactly my specs will nail them to vertical and straight ahead, for > minimum weight, although > that's probably unnecessary overkill. > > The unequal camber bothers me most, but I would like to see it > vertical too. > I'm just that way. > > Unless somebody "illuminates" me first, I'm going to set it at zero > toe-in and zero camber with something like half fuel and my weight in > the pilot's seat. That should be just about average for both takeoffs > and landings. Bengelis didn't have an opinion either way, and said > "shoot for straight ahead". I have Pazmany's book "Light Airplane > Design", which has pages on gear design, but never once mentions > toe-in or camber, so I'm ASSuming that > straight ahead is the ticket. Other sources of information are > welcome... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:00:08 -0600 To: From: "JEAN VERON" Subject: Re: KR> toe-in/camber Message-ID: For what its worth, Marty Roberts, Mike Ladigo and I set the toe in at zero. Seems to work OK. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert X. Cringely" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 11:49 AM Subject: Re: KR> toe-in/camber > Good point, Mark. I have spoken to Paz and he's very much oriented > to a production environment where any measurements on the shop floor > have to be done before it is possible to load the gear. You can > especially see this orientation in Paz's own designs, which are > terribly complex. It is a wonder any PL-1's, PL-2's, and PL-4's are > finished. So sure, if you can load your gear, then set it at zero > toe-in and zero camber and you are done. > > Bob > > > >Bob Cringely wrote: > > > >> thereby counteract the ground loop. So who is right? Maybe neither, > >> maybe both, but Paz says the rule of thumb in the field is to set a > >> little toe-in AT EMPTY WEIGHT. > > > >Thanks Bob. I figured you'd have his landing gear book, which is the > >definitive work on the subject. I looked at that one a few years ago, but > >didn't bother to buy it because it seemed to concentrate on gear for larger > >planes. I have his Light Airplane Design and Light Airplane Construction > >manuals, which are excellent works even to this day. > > > >But I don't understand why he'd say to set it up unloaded in the expectation > >of the way it'll end up when it IS loaded. Sounds like another "hail Mary" > >to me. Why not just load it to what is normal encountered, and set it > >there? I'm beginning to think that I may have to answer this one myself, > >with a little experimentation some day... > > > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > >see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 16:30:49 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Jumpnkd@aol.com CC: Jumpnkd@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> painting tips how to Message-ID: <142.da4d8c7.2baf8189@aol.com> --part1_142.da4d8c7.2baf8189_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/22/03 1:20:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, engalt@earthlink.net writes: > I used three coats of a polyurethane paint on my fusalage. I am wet > sanding with 600 paper and going to 1500 paper before buffing to get a > beautiful glossy finish. I was just wondering how much paint I am > taking off when I do this. Can any of you expert painters out there > tell me how many coats you normally use if you are going to wet sand later? > > I have found that starting with 600 might be to coarse and leave scratches in the final finish. All you are trying to do is remove the "orange peel" and any dust or runs. I like to use a 1200 3m paper with the hose running to flush away any dirt and the sanding residue. Use what is called a sponge block and stay away from the edges. and change the paper often. If you have lots of peel that you are trying to remove 600 might be the best way so you Arnet there for weeks. Test a small spot, sand/buff/look To eliminate the orange peel you want a wetter edge when you spray, its a balance between too dry= orange peel and too wet = run and white is the worst paint because it is hard to see the paint edge as you are spraying, so use lots of light (in my shop where i paint i have 60 40 watt f40 bulbs in a 30x22 shop) and look at the edge as you spray and adjust your rate of travel so it smoothes out after you. if you cant use the light to see the wet edge as it goes on you are only guessing on how much paint is on the surface. And you will end up with runs and dull spots, while this will work for some painting flat objects it is far from ideal for a plane. in the first coat you will learn this then dont change the settings on the gun and just repeat what you have learned in the next coats. I have wet sanded and buffed after two coats of clear but you have to be careful not to sand thru or buff thru. I would think two coats on the bottom and sides would be fine if not on the hole plane to save weigh. on horizontal surfaces you can put paint on heaver and let it flow out. you can feel the difference in the sanded paint verses the non sanded but the feel that is harder to master is the ability to tell when to stop sanding while wet. Start by sanding a small spot and then drying it and looking at it at an angle if you still see small shiny dots you Arnet done yet. you want a sheen with no shiny spots for the flattest glossy finish after you buff. After a while you will be able to tell just by the feel of the paint what needs to be done. (the feel is a lost art in most painters) TIP wet sand out of the sun TIP sand the day after you paint the longer you wait the harder the paint gets and the harder it is to sand. if you can wait a week to buff you will get less buff thru. Feel free to ask more happy to help. In Va 703-721-2094 Home/Shop Yours Bill White "Friends are like parachutes. If they aren't there the first time you need them, chances are, you won't be needing them again" ~~Astronaut James A Lovell Jr --part1_142.da4d8c7.2baf8189_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 18:11:43 -0500 To: "KRnet \(E-mail\)" From: "Bob" Subject: EAA Tech Counselor Inspection Message-ID: <000001c2f191$91651cf0$2a0c0b0a@bubba9> Netheads, This weekend I had an initial inspection from an EAA Tech Counselor and it was a very worth while experience. All in all I got a good report that I listed on my web site (http://flyboybob.com/web_pages/kr2/eaa_tech_counselor_reports.htm). He did however pick up a few details that were very helpful. The Tech Counselor was Jere Rosser who's KR2, Tweety Bird, won best KR at Oshkosh in 1980. Obviously, he was quite knowledgeable about KRs. He's gone over to the aluminum side now and built an RV4, RV7, and most of an RV8. The inspection was very helpful in giving me a better idea of what good enough for KR work is all about. The EAA Tech Counselor program is quite valuable in two ways. First, you get the benefit of an experienced set of eyes looking over your shoulder for ways to improve your project. Second, you get a break on insurance if you complete the three inspection program through the EAA. I recommend the process to any of you that can get a local EAA Tech Counselor to stop by and review your progress. Regards. Bob Lee ______________________________ N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 30024 91% done only 51% to go! Phone/Fax: 770/844-7501 mailto:bob@flyboybob.com http://flyboybob.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 18:36:20 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Cowgirlflying@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: KR> aileron bell cranks Message-ID: <1d8.5ceb371.2baf9ef4@wmconnect.com> --part1_1d8.5ceb371.2baf9ef4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks I forgot all about Les Tim --part1_1d8.5ceb371.2baf9ef4_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 17:00:58 -0700 To: "kr" From: "Bob Sauer" Subject: nose gear Message-ID: <012501c2f198$732dce60$763a3818@ph.cox.net> ------=_NextPart_000_0122_01C2F15D.C6B505C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone have an e-mail, snail mail or telephone number for George = Toth. I would like to get a copy of his nose gear plan?=20 Anyone have a cowling for use with a Corvair engine they want to part = with? Bob Sauer Sun City West, AZ From: resauer@cox.net ------=_NextPart_000_0122_01C2F15D.C6B505C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 20:32:18 -0800 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Christine A Bounds Subject: EAA question Message-ID: <20030323.203222.-371983.0.usaus@juno.com> hey folks i am in the Austin Texas area. If i fill out the membership form to join the EAA How do I know or contact the chapter near me? Is there a list of phone contacts by cities or areas? Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 20:42:31 -0600 To: From: "kevin" Subject: Re: KR> EAA question Message-ID: <000501c2f1af$06769240$f01e4a43@hppav> Scott, Here you go. http://www.eaa.org/chapter/chapter_locator.html Have fun. Kevin Golden. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine A Bounds" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 10:32 PM Subject: KR> EAA question > hey folks i am in the Austin Texas area. If i fill out the membership > form to join the EAA How do I know or contact the chapter near me? Is > there a list of phone contacts by cities or areas? > > Scott > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:05:00 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: "KRNet" From: "KRJerry" Subject: Aileron bellcranks........ Message-Id: <3E7EA00C.000029.00768@oldmerlin> --------------Boundary-00=_CWO86DS2QL8000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Netters,=0D =0D Please excuse use of the bandwith; but I have just rejoined the KRNet....= =2E.. been away for awhile.......=0D =0D Anyway I would like to assist 'Tim Gettysburg, PA' with his bellcrank problem...........but I don't have his address.....=0D =0D So, Tim; if you will contact me directly, I'll try................=0D =0D N64KR=0D Jerry Mahurin=0D Lugoff, SC=0D KRJerry@bellsouth.net=0D http://kr-builder.org=0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_CWO86DS2QL8000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 21:08:22 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Aileron bellcranks........ Message-ID: <01ae01c2f1b2$a1256390$1202a8c0@basement> Jerry Mahurin wrote: >Please excuse use of the bandwith; but I have just rejoined the KRNet....... been away for awhile.......< Jerry, welcome back! If it's got anything to do with KRs, and it's helpful to more than one person (and I suspect it will be), you're encouraged to post it for everybody to see. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:23:23 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Cowgirlflying@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: KR> Aileron bellcranks........ Message-ID: <118.20e02142.2bafd42b@wmconnect.com> --part1_118.20e02142.2bafd42b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jerry I know Tim his email address is timboyer2@wmconnect.com I have seen his KR2 in past 6 months he has the boat tail feathers and wing spars done and has removed his retractable landing gear and sling seat and gave then away just so he could make some changes to his bird. Im sure any help you have to offer that would keep him moving along would be be appreciated Pat --part1_118.20e02142.2bafd42b_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 21:02:37 -0600 To: "KR-Net" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Photo of the Week update. Message-ID: <011101c2f1b1$d34c65e0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_010E_01C2F17F.88566860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, I have new photos......here is the link: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/photo.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------=_NextPart_000_010E_01C2F17F.88566860-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:05:36 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: virgnvs@juno.com Subject: Re: KR> RR? Message-ID: <20030323.222101.-773231.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Rand Robinson, The KR people 7071 Warner Road PMB#724 Huntington Beach, California 92647 Ph 714-898-3811 Fx 714-890-1658 Virg On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 18:09:24 +0100 "Alessandro Ascanio" writes: > What's RR?...and what's the address, tel, fax, email...web site? > > PLease...thank you > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:45:36 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "KRJerry" Cc: "KRNet" Subject: aileron bellcranks......... Message-Id: <3E7EA990.00002D.00768@oldmerlin> --------------Boundary-00=_0SQ8MK82QL8000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tim, =0D =0D =2E...what is your problem..........??? =0D =0D One thing to remember is that these are not your typical 90 degree bellcranks. In the final geometry you will have a lot of 'up' and just a little 'down' in your ailerons.=0D =0D Netters, =0D =0D Thanks for the several replies with Tims address...=0D =0D N64KR=0D Jerry Mahurin=0D Lugoff, SC=0D KRJerry@bellsouth.net=0D http://kr-builder.org=0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_0SQ8MK82QL8000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:55:35 -0500 To: From: "Ron Thomas" Subject: KR dinner SUN'n'FUN Message-ID: <003401c2f1b9$3aa179e0$c843a8c0@faaguy> Are reservations neccessary to attend? If so who to contact??. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:59:45 -0500 To: rdthomas@mindspring.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KR dinner SUN'n'FUN Message-ID: <20030324.100731.-265585.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Sign up at the GREAT PLAINS BOOTH as soon as you can. Need count, Virg On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:55:35 -0500 "Ron Thomas" writes: > Are reservations neccessary to attend? If so who to contact??. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, > visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:25:53 +1100 To: "KRnet" From: "John and Janet Martindale" Subject: wheel alignment Message-ID: <00bf01c2f1f8$37d3b540$f3de12d2@m1g0x7> ------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C2F254.54E71440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Folks I've following this discussion with interest because it has consumed my = bird for months trying to come up with the optimum settings. There are = so many variables that affect it that I've about given up. The Corvair = engine, revolving anticlockwise produces sufficient nose right torque = that left rudder is always needed immediately the tail is lifted.This = force overwhelms anything produced by small angles of either toe in or = toe out during takeoff. It also puts different limits on crosswind = strength depending on whether it is from the left on the tail opposing = the torque swing or promoting it if on the right. Speaking with the = pilot of the KR2 that travelled from England to Australia recently, he = said to always consider this in determining which runway direction to = use if forced to go for a crosswind takeoff or landing. The Diehl legs, = being directed obliquely forward, change in both toe in and camber = depending on weight, heaviness of landing, or whether the tail is up or = down. The cross slope on the runway is another influence. Unequal tyre = wear or air pressure is another. Sitting left, right or center. Fuel = weight in wings etc etc. Another thing to watch is that if you have toe = in and you push the aircraft backwards on concrete, the wheels tend to = diverge and spread the legs thus reducing camber. On grass there is = probably enough lateral slippage to avoid this. My aircraft finishes up = looking a little different every time I put it in the hangar. Sometimes = the wheels look equally wrong or right, other times all skewy. Bounce it = around a little and it evens up again. Honestly, I don't think you can = ever get it "right". Another trick for bleeding the Great Plains calipers. Take them out of = the bracket leaving the brake lines attached, use a piece of ply as a = surrogate disk and make sure the piston is pushed well against it before = filling with fluid. Being a sealed system, the smaller the movement = needed by the pads, the less pedal movement needed. It cannot = automatically admit additional fluid to make up for the movement like = resevoir based designs can. Having the caliper unattached allows better = access to the nipples and you can tilt and tap them them to make air = removal easier. This all presumes you have enough flexibility/length in = your brake lines to allow it. See Ya=20 John and Janet Martindale 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA ph: 61 2 6658 4767 email: johnjane@chc.net.au ------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C2F254.54E71440-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 07:17:44 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: KR> Plans. Message-ID: <20030324151744.37208.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> --0-56014832-1048519064=:36302 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't have an ISBN number, but James H. Earl is the author that I was referring to. I'm sure any of his Drafting Fundamentals would be fine. His texts are what are commonly used in High Schools and Colleges around the US. I'll have to check my prints, but I'm 99% sure that the scale is 1/4 on the a drawing and labeled as such in the title block. I'll go home tonight and check to be sure though. volucer wrote:Dear Scott, Do you have the ISBN number or indication where I can find the book. By a research that I made I found many books named "Drafting Fundamentals by James H. Earl". From the first time I took a look at the title block of the prints but there were no indications regarding the scale. Thank you again, 73, Dr. Shahar Tsabari Tel. +39.0365.761000 Fax +39.0365.761900 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cable" To: Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 2:03 PM Subject: Re: KR> Plans. > > Dr. Tsabari Shahar, > I would highly recommend buying the Drafting Fundamentals Book by James Earl . > As I stated before in my previous eMails, you really need to read through the builders manula, and review and STUDY the prints BEFORE you start cutting wood. Trust me, this will save you so much time and expense. So, go back to the drawing board and study the prints again. The information you requested (scale) is in the title block on the print. > Volucer wrote: BODY { MARGIN-TOP: 20px; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 50px; COLOR: #006666; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica}Dear Guys,I need an urgent confirm for the following:1. Dose drawing A (fuselage KR2S) is 1:4, as I would like to start to work on it.Thanks in advance,73,Dr. Tsabari Shahar > 0039.0365.761000 > Italy > > > > Scott Cable > KR-2S # 735 > Linden, MI > s2cable1@yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Linden, MI s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! --0-56014832-1048519064=:36302-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 07:25:17 -0600 To: From: "Justin" Subject: Re: KR> KR G-factor Message-ID: <002e01c2f208$d0b099d0$dcda1818@computer> It doesnt take that long to type it in instead of being rude and sayign to check your plans. The G loading for a KR2 is +7 -7 @800lbs. OF corse a KR2S proubly wont be flying at 800LBS so our G loading will be siglificantly less. At 1050lbs the new G loading is 4.4. Thats just by going by percent increase. Justin KR2S ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 9:16 AM Subject: Re: KR> KR G-factor > IN THE PLANS, ALEX, Virg > > On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 15:00:17 +0100 "Alessandro Ascanio" > writes: > > > > What's the KR2 G-factor? > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > > all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL > WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:30:07 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> KR G-factor Message-ID: <01fa01c2f26e$121ab620$1202a8c0@basement> Justin wrote: > check your plans. The G loading for a KR2 is +7 -7 @800lbs. OF corse a KR2S > proubly wont be flying at 800LBS so our G loading will be siglificantly > less. At 1050lbs the new G loading is 4.4. Thats just by going by percent > increase. I get 5.33 when I do that. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:06:05 -0600 To: From: "Justin" Subject: Re: KR> KR G-factor Message-ID: <000c01c2f262$576d1a80$dcda1818@computer> I must have punched in 1150 for the gross weight. I dont remember but I did that math awhile back. Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 7:30 PM Subject: Re: KR> KR G-factor > Justin wrote: > > > check your plans. The G loading for a KR2 is +7 -7 @800lbs. OF corse a > KR2S > > proubly wont be flying at 800LBS so our G loading will be siglificantly > > less. At 1050lbs the new G loading is 4.4. Thats just by going by percent > > increase. > > I get 5.33 when I do that. > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:59:54 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: KR> New Airfoils Message-ID: <20030324205954.79939.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> --0-643501624-1048539594=:78911 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Steve, Would I be able to use the AS5046 airfoils if: I have the RR premolded wing skins. My inner and outer spars are already complete per RR Plans I have fixed gear in the tail dragger configuration, and will be using the Big Boy (3100cc) Corvair power. I've pretty much succombed to the fact that I'm going to have to use the RAF48 airfoils, but would love to use the AS5046 because of the increase in cruise speed. So is there anyway to use the new airfoils with the existing parts that I have? I have not made the wing ribs yet. Steven Eberhart wrote:Well, actually no. One of the design criteria for the AS5048 airfoil was that it should have the same low drag at cruise as the AS5045. The wind tunnel tests proved that the design criteria were met. You can review the data at http://www.krnet.org/as504x/design.html The main thing traded off to get the same low drag numbers at cruise was the higher drag at high angles of attack. Remember all of the discussions about short field landings? The higher drag helps slow you down when you need it most. Steve Eberhart mailto:newtech@newtech.com Robert X. Cringely wrote: > Yes. > > Bob > > >> Netters, >> >> I am getting ready to start wings soon and have a question >> on the AS5046 vs the AS5048. The increased spar strength and fuel >> capacity are obvious advantages with the thicker airfoil, but wouldn't >> the 16% airfoil potentially yield a higher cruise speed? (All other >> factors being equal, of course) >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Thomas Dalby >> Boulder City, NV > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Linden, MI s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! --0-643501624-1048539594=:78911-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:42:24 -0800 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry severson Subject: brakes Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030324134000.00b3d068@pop-server.socal.rr.com> What is the relative cost effectiveness/use of Grove, Matco, and Cleveland hydraulic brakes? Is there a better brand for the KR2? Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:10:22 -0800 To: "krnet" From: "NORMAN SEEL" Subject: Fw: KR> brakes Message-ID: <001601c2f26b$4fe008a0$906a3f04@dslverizon.net> Larry, I would suggest that you get some aircraft catalogs, such Aircraft Spruce and Specialty. You can order it from their Web Site, and I believe it is free. Norm norman.seel@verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry severson" To: Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 1:42 PM Subject: KR> brakes > What is the relative cost effectiveness/use of Grove, Matco, and Cleveland > hydraulic brakes? Is there a better brand for the KR2? > > Larry Severson > Fountain Valley, CA 92708 > (714) 968-9852 > larry2@socal.rr.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:09:40 -0600 To: From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: Re: KR> brakes Message-ID: <00f501c2f252$119ae880$0201a8c0@computer> Larry, You might also contact Tracy O'Brian at tracy@localaccess.com . I have his polished wheels, brakes, etc. He will supply you with specs and pictures. I'm not sure if he has a website. Ed Blocher Santa Rosa Beach, FL eblocher@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry severson" To: Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 3:42 PM Subject: KR> brakes > What is the relative cost effectiveness/use of Grove, Matco, and Cleveland > hydraulic brakes? Is there a better brand for the KR2? > > Larry Severson > Fountain Valley, CA 92708 > (714) 968-9852 > larry2@socal.rr.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:59:50 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> brakes Message-Id: <3E7FB815.000001.01124@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_Q78AQL80000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If I were doing it again, I would use Cleveland 5X5. I know that seems a little large, but I had Goodyear 5X5 on my first KR and they were great. = I may change my mind after I get to fly these Matco's, but I really think t= hey are too small for grass fields. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_Q78AQL80000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:20:15 -0800 To: From: "Peter Johnson" Subject: Brake Manufacturers Message-ID: <01c301c2f271$23fb6760$14a5e2d1@peter> ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C2F229.A2AFB400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Larry, I hope this is of assistance to you regarding brake optioins = for your KR. A couple of years ago I designed a retract system for Mr. Anthony = Underwood and his KR. He specified that he wanted brakes from Tracy = O'Brien Enterprises. =20 Following Anthony's comments about the brakes, I ordered them for my = KR-2Sexy. They are a very interesting design that reduces 'overhang' of = the wheel on the axle, and have around 9 sq. in. of brake area, almost = twice comparative makes. Tracy O'Brien Enterprises is listed in Kitplanes and Sport Aviation, and = they are on the net also. Hope this helps Larry. Feel free to contact me if you have any = questions. Peter. mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C2F229.A2AFB400-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:25:49 -0800 To: From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" Subject: Re: KR> Brake Manufacturers Message-ID: <002501c2f26d$7830b410$b3ac2804@home> Below is the url to Tracy O'Brien's website. I also bought his KR-2 brakes and am very impressed with the quality. Regards, Bud Midkiff Lynnwood, WA email: c.midkiff@verizon.net www.tracyobrien.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Johnson" To: Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 5:20 PM Subject: KR> Brake Manufacturers Hi Larry, I hope this is of assistance to you regarding brake optioins for your KR. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 00:54:04 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: BABYWOLF@aol.com Subject: Kr HangerQueens Message-ID: <131.1c0c4735.2bb148fc@aol.com> --part1_131.1c0c4735.2bb148fc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am under the impression that many KR's become hangor queens Has there ever been any discussion on what causes this and is there anything that can be done to avoid this fate? --part1_131.1c0c4735.2bb148fc_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 01:18:23 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: WA7YXF@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Kr HangerQueens Message-ID: <136.1c7d1656.2bb14eaf@aol.com> --part1_136.1c7d1656.2bb14eaf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/24/03 9:54:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, BABYWOLF@aol.com writes:> > I am under the impression that many KR's become hangor queens Has there > ever been any discussion on what causes this and is there anything that can > > be done to avoid this fate? I guess N37LH is going to be one till I find someone to test fly her... Lynn --part1_136.1c7d1656.2bb14eaf_boundary-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************