From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 26 Mar 2003 17:58:27 -0000 Issue 669 Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 10:59 AM krnet Digest 26 Mar 2003 17:58:27 -0000 Issue 669 Topics (messages 16119 through 16148): Re: Kr HangerQueens 16119 by: Dan Heath 16120 by: Scott Cable 16131 by: AviationMech.aol.com 16134 by: Ronevogt.aol.com Re: New Airfoils 16121 by: Scott Stanton 16127 by: Scott Cable 16128 by: Mark Langford Retract gear 16122 by: Frank Ross 16130 by: virgnvs.juno.com 16133 by: gleone KR2 project for sale 16123 by: Waldokr2.aol.com 16124 by: Waldokr2.aol.com 16125 by: Waldokr2.aol.com 16126 by: Waldokr2.aol.com 16132 by: KVP Re: toe-in/camber 16129 by: Al Friesen Re: Kr NEW ? 16135 by: Timothy Bellville 16136 by: Seifert, Richard E 16137 by: Frank Ross 16141 by: Dan Heath 16142 by: AviationMech.aol.com Off topic 16138 by: Frank Ross Re: Kr firewall? 16139 by: ROBERT COOPER Re: New Airfoils & Reed Oak 16140 by: BABYWOLF.aol.com VW Engines, Hapi varient 16143 by: Ron Eason Question firewall fiber frax 16144 by: Timboyer2.wmconnect.com 16146 by: krjerry.bellsouth.net Re: Fuel tank vent/overflow 16145 by: harold woods 16147 by: krjerry.bellsouth.net Re: Slipping with Flaps 16148 by: harold woods Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 06:20:03 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Kr HangerQueens Message-Id: <3E806593.000006.01124@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_FH6B12S0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: I am under the impression that many KR's become hangar queens Has there ever been any discussion on what causes this and is there anything that can be done to avoid this fate?=0D =0D =0D That is an interesting subject. I don't think that it has been mentioned before.=0D =0D I think that it is more a factor of the make up of a segment of the socie= ty that build or attempt to build KRs. Many of us struggle to find enough money and time to build. Many of us, never complete them because we run = out of money, or time, both, or just the will to keep up the struggle. The reason for this is probably that the KR is the best buy for the money, bu= t still costs a lot of money and does take a lot of time to build.=0D =0D Now for those that are completed. It is probably an extension of the mon= ey and time factor. Having put everything the builder can scrounge up, he h= as little money left to hangar, maintain, pay insurance, get training, and t= he list goes on.=0D =0D Some of it may be the lack of structure built into the KR building proces= s.=20 There is nothing in it to insure quality. It is strictly up to the build= er and maybe sometimes, the plane ends up being something that the builder n= o longer wants to risk his life on.=0D =0D I sold my first KR because she was becoming a hangar queen and I needed t= he money that I was spending on her.=0D =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_FH6B12S0000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 04:57:01 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: KR> Kr HangerQueens Message-ID: <20030325125701.20020.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> --0-43117483-1048597021=:19799 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Couldn't agree more with Dan. However I'd like to refer to Lee Robbins (AviationMech@AOL.com). Lee first started flying his KR2 in 1984. It's anything but a hanger queen. What to do to avoid this fate? Money, Time and Love. (not necessarily in that order) Dan Heath wrote: RE: I am under the impression that many KR's become hangar queens Has there ever been any discussion on what causes this and is there anything that can be done to avoid this fate? I think that it is more a factor of the make up of a segment of the society that build or attempt to build KRs. Many of us struggle to find enough money and time to build. Many of us, never complete them because we run out of money, or time, both, or just the will to keep up the struggle. The reason for this is probably that the KR is the best buy for the money, but still costs a lot of money and does take a lot of time to build. . Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Linden, MI s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! --0-43117483-1048597021=:19799-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 17:51:41 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Kr HangerQueens Message-ID: <18b.179ed5a6.2bb2377d@aol.com> --part1_18b.179ed5a6.2bb2377d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/25/2003 7:57:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, s2cable1@yahoo.com writes: > started flying his KR2 in 1984 Scott I tend to agree with Dan. Mine has spent time when it did not fly. I always had a bucket full of excuses. Its called OBE overcome by events. Even now with a new radio and a new IVOProp, I'm anxious to see how my 2000 worth of new toys will perform, but alass I have to work and after work I want to go home, and not stay at the airport. I had more time when the bird was at home in the garage. But, they wont let me fly off my street. You are lucky if your airport is close at hand. A word to the wise do everything before you trailer to the airport, because out of sight, out of mind. Basicly the KR is real strong and if the things we design ourselves are well built, it will last longer and not need repair. Over the years I have made changes and I think all of them were for the better, but each one took time away from the air. Orma aka AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech --part1_18b.179ed5a6.2bb2377d_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:36:21 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Ronevogt@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Kr HangerQueens Message-ID: <1a1.12541a8d.2bb25005@aol.com> --part1_1a1.12541a8d.2bb25005_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Most airplanes, except those used for hire, spent about 99.7% of their time on the ground. Why should the KR be any different? RV --part1_1a1.12541a8d.2bb25005_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 06:01:29 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Scott Stanton Subject: Re: KR> New Airfoils Message-ID: <20030325140129.29530.qmail@web11904.mail.yahoo.com> Scott, According to http://www.krnet.org/as504x/templates.html "The AS5046 profile is a best fit for stock KR2S spars. If your spars are already built, you would want to use the AS5046 airfoil. It uses a stock aft spar and a slightly taller main spar, which could be heightened by laminating an extra .125" thick strip of Spruce to the spar cap. The aft spar would also need to be moved up about an inch with relation to the fuselage due to differences in the RAF48 wing shape and the lower incidence that is optimal for the wing. Each airplane varies, and correct incidence will only be achieved using the level lines on the templates, rather than measuring up from the longerons. Several people have cut their aft spars out and raised them, and I'm told it's about a 3 hour job." You should be able to use the AS5046 for the stock spar. I think you're thinking of the AS5048/15 which is the recommended airfoil if you haven't already built your spars. Scott Raleigh NC --- Scott Cable wrote: > > Steve, > Would I be able to use the AS5046 airfoils if: > I have the RR premolded wing skins. > My inner and outer spars are already complete per RR > Plans > I have fixed gear in the tail dragger configuration, > and will be using the Big Boy (3100cc) Corvair > power. > I've pretty much succombed to the fact that I'm > going to have to use the RAF48 airfoils, but would > love to use the AS5046 because of the increase in > cruise speed. > So is there anyway to use the new airfoils with the > existing parts that I have? I have not made the > wing ribs yet. > Steven Eberhart wrote:Well, > actually no. One of the design criteria for the > AS5048 airfoil > was that it should have the same low drag at cruise > as the AS5045. The > wind tunnel tests proved that the design criteria > were met. You can > review the data at > http://www.krnet.org/as504x/design.html > > The main thing traded off to get the same low drag > numbers at cruise was > the higher drag at high angles of attack. Remember > all of the > discussions about short field landings? The higher > drag helps slow you > down when you need it most. > > Steve Eberhart > mailto:newtech@newtech.com > > Robert X. Cringely wrote: > > > Yes. > > > > Bob > > > > > >> Netters, > >> > >> I am getting ready to start wings soon and have a > question > >> on the AS5046 vs the AS5048. The increased spar > strength and fuel > >> capacity are obvious advantages with the thicker > airfoil, but wouldn't > >> the 16% airfoil potentially yield a higher cruise > speed? (All other > >> factors being equal, of course) > >> > >> Thanks in advance, > >> > >> Thomas Dalby > >> Boulder City, NV > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > Scott Cable > KR-2S # 735 > Linden, MI > s2cable1@yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, > live on your desktop! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:47:50 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: KR> New Airfoils Message-ID: <20030325164750.22578.qmail@web40808.mail.yahoo.com> --0-2027920637-1048610870=:20569 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What about the wing skins? I have the pre-molded RR wing skins, will I be able to use the RAF48 wing skins on the AS5046 airfoil? Scott Stanton wrote:Scott, According to http://www.krnet.org/as504x/templates.html "The AS5046 profile is a best fit for stock KR2S spars. If your spars are already built, you would want to use the AS5046 airfoil. It uses a stock aft spar and a slightly taller main spar, which could be heightened by laminating an extra .125" thick strip of Spruce to the spar cap. The aft spar would also need to be moved up about an inch with relation to the fuselage due to differences in the RAF48 wing shape and the lower incidence that is optimal for the wing. Each airplane varies, and correct incidence will only be achieved using the level lines on the templates, rather than measuring up from the longerons. Several people have cut their aft spars out and raised them, and I'm told it's about a 3 hour job." You should be able to use the AS5046 for the stock spar. I think you're thinking of the AS5048/15 which is the recommended airfoil if you haven't already built your spars. Scott Raleigh NC --- Scott Cable wrote: > > Steve, > Would I be able to use the AS5046 airfoils if: > I have the RR premolded wing skins. > My inner and outer spars are already complete per RR > Plans > I have fixed gear in the tail dragger configuration, > and will be using the Big Boy (3100cc) Corvair > power. > I've pretty much succombed to the fact that I'm > going to have to use the RAF48 airfoils, but would > love to use the AS5046 because of the increase in > cruise speed. > So is there anyway to use the new airfoils with the > existing parts that I have? I have not made the > wing ribs yet. > Steven Eberhart wrote:Well, > actually no. One of the design criteria for the > AS5048 airfoil > was that it should have the same low drag at cruise > as the AS5045. The > wind tunnel tests proved that the design criteria > were met. You can > review the data at > http://www.krnet.org/as504x/design.html > > The main thing traded off to get the same low drag > numbers at cruise was > the higher drag at high angles of attack. Remember > all of the > discussions about short field landings? The higher > drag helps slow you > down when you need it most. > > Steve Eberhart > mailto:newtech@newtech.com > > Robert X. Cringely wrote: > > > Yes. > > > > Bob > > > > > >> Netters, > >> > >> I am getting ready to start wings soon and have a > question > >> on the AS5046 vs the AS5048. The increased spar > strength and fuel > >> capacity are obvious advantages with the thicker > airfoil, but wouldn't > >> the 16% airfoil potentially yield a higher cruise > speed? (All other > >> factors being equal, of course) > >> > >> Thanks in advance, > >> > >> Thomas Dalby > >> Boulder City, NV > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > Scott Cable > KR-2S # 735 > Linden, MI > s2cable1@yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, > live on your desktop! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Linden, MI s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! --0-2027920637-1048610870=:20569-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:33:20 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> New Airfoils Message-ID: <001201c2f2f4$a246b4c0$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> Scott Cable wrote: > What about the wing skins? I have the pre-molded RR wing skins, will I be able to use >the RAF48 wing skins on the AS5046 airfoil? Not a chance. They are way too different in cross section, and the wing skins are way too stiff to "mold" into shape. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford latinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 06:39:53 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Retract gear Message-ID: <20030325143953.88474.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com> Need a set of retract gear for KR-2. One of the guys in my EAA chapter is looking for a set of KR retract gear. I deleted the recent note someone posted trying to get rid of theirs. Anybody want to get rid of a set, I have someone who wants them. Thanks, Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX EAA Chapter 35 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 16:42:34 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: virgnvs@juno.com Subject: Re: KR> Retract gear Message-ID: <20030325.164907.-305795.7.virgnvs@juno.com> Beat you to it Frank, Miami High again, Virg On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 06:39:53 -0800 (PST) Frank Ross writes: > Need a set of retract gear for KR-2. > One of the guys in my EAA chapter is looking for a set > of KR retract gear. I deleted the recent note someone > posted trying to get rid of theirs. Anybody want to > get rid of a set, I have someone who wants them. > Thanks, > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX > EAA Chapter 35 > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your > desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, > visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 17:03:21 -0700 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: gleone Subject: Re: KR> Retract gear Message-ID: <3E80EE48.83147660@tritel.net> --------------56C7895AF4531C1CE1433E09 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a set he can have cheap. Just email me direct. Gene virgnvs@juno.com wrote: > Beat you to it Frank, Miami High again, Virg > > On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 06:39:53 -0800 (PST) Frank Ross > writes: > > Need a set of retract gear for KR-2. > > One of the guys in my EAA chapter is looking for a set > > of KR retract gear. I deleted the recent note someone > > posted trying to get rid of theirs. Anybody want to > > get rid of a set, I have someone who wants them. > > Thanks, > > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX > > EAA Chapter 35 > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your > > desktop! > > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, > > visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > > > > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL > WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --------------56C7895AF4531C1CE1433E09-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:10:43 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Waldokr2@aol.com Subject: KR2 project for sale Message-ID: <19d.1281d70c.2bb1d983@aol.com> --part1_19d.1281d70c.2bb1d983_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I lost my medical so I am selling my KR2 project. I have $4,600 in receipts and am asking $4,000. I live in Gainesville, and have built several homebuilts. I have been told by several builders, including Tom Crawford here in Gainesville. that the workmanship is excellent. If you send me your address I will mail you a copy of an article about my project, in the KR Newsletter. The project includes the following; West System epoxy was used throughout, including to seal all interior surfaces. Dual sticks (R/R) are installed rudder pedals with toe brakes,(Matco), are installed Aileron cables, with all brackets, pulleys, etc. are installed center spars are installed, with all WAFs installed except the rear outer WAFs 1/4 ply firewall installed Elevator brackets made Main gear (Diehl) installed with axles, wheels and tires (Matco). rudder, elevator and horizontal stabilizer are glassed, and hinged. vertical stabilizer spar epoxied in place cockpit sides, floor and firewall have been soundproofed using 1/2" foam plus 1/8" soundproofing rubber foam (total 5/8"), covered with 1/16" Finnish birch a/c ply. all control cables have fork ends installed. plus foam, ply, spruce, an nuts & bolts, alum, etc., etc. If you have any questions, you can email or give me a call. If you call and I'm out, please leave a message and I'll return your call. Bob McDonough waldokr2@aol.com 3308 NW 38th Street Gainesville,FL 32606 352 379 3144 --part1_19d.1281d70c.2bb1d983_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:12:48 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Waldokr2@aol.com Subject: KR2 project for sale Message-ID: --part1_aa.1a6a73d3.2bb1da00_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I lost my medical so I am selling my KR2 project. I have $4,600 in receipts and am asking $4,000. I live in Gainesville, and have built several homebuilts. I have been told by several builders, including Tom Crawford here in Gainesville. that the workmanship is excellent. If you send me your address I will mail you a copy of an article about my project, in the KR Newsletter. The project includes the following; West System epoxy was used throughout, including to seal all interior surfaces. Dual sticks (R/R) are installed rudder pedals with toe brakes,(Matco), are installed Aileron cables, with all brackets, pulleys, etc. are installed center spars are installed, with all WAFs installed except the rear outer WAFs 1/4 ply firewall installed Elevator brackets made Main gear (Diehl) installed with axles, wheels and tires (Matco). rudder, elevator and horizontal stabilizer are glassed, and hinged. vertical stabilizer spar epoxied in place cockpit sides, floor and firewall have been soundproofed using 1/2" foam plus 1/8" soundproofing rubber foam (total 5/8"), covered with 1/16" Finnish birch a/c ply. all control cables have fork ends installed. plus foam, ply, spruce, an nuts & bolts, alum, etc., etc. If you have any questions, you can email or give me a call. If you call and I'm out, please leave a message and I'll return your call. Bob McDonough waldokr2@aol.com 3308 NW 38th Street Gainesville,FL 32606 352 379 3144 --part1_aa.1a6a73d3.2bb1da00_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:18:10 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Waldokr2@aol.com Subject: KR2 project for sale Message-ID: <123.1fdd1461.2bb1db42@aol.com> --part1_123.1fdd1461.2bb1db42_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I lost my medical so I am selling my KR2 project. I have $4,600 in receipts and am asking $4,000. I live in Gainesville, and have built several homebuilts. I have been told by several builders, including Tom Crawford here in Gainesville. that the workmanship is excellent. If you send me your address I will mail you a copy of an article about my project, in the KR Newsletter. The project includes the following; West System epoxy was used throughout, including to seal all interior surfaces. Dual sticks (R/R) are installed rudder pedals with toe brakes,(Matco), are installed Aileron cables, with all brackets, pulleys, etc. are installed center spars are installed, with all WAFs installed except the rear outer WAFs 1/4 ply firewall installed Elevator brackets made Main gear (Diehl) installed with axles, wheels and tires (Matco). rudder, elevator and horizontal stabilizer are glassed, and hinged. vertical stabilizer spar epoxied in place cockpit sides, floor and firewall have been soundproofed using 1/2" foam plus 1/8" soundproofing rubber foam (total 5/8"), covered with 1/16" Finnish birch a/c ply. all control cables have fork ends installed. plus foam, ply, spruce, an nuts & bolts, alum, etc., etc. If you have any questions, you can email or give me a call. If you call and I'm out, please leave a message and I'll return your call. Bob McDonough waldokr2@aol.com 3308 NW 38th Street Gainesville,FL 32606 352 379 3144 --part1_123.1fdd1461.2bb1db42_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:24:08 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Waldokr2@aol.com Subject: KR2 Project for Sale Message-ID: --part1_ab.2b1f1e62.2bb1dca8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I lost my medical so I am selling my KR2 project. I have $4,600 in receipts and am asking $4,000. I live in Gainesville, and have built several homebuilts. I have been told by several builders, including Tom Crawford here in Gainesville. that the workmanship is excellent If you send me your address I will mail you a copy of an article about my project, in the KR Newsletter. The project includes the following; West System epoxy was used throughout, including to seal all interior surfaces. Dual sticks (R/R) are installed rudder pedals with toe brakes,(Matco), are installed Aileron cables, with all brackets, pulleys, etc. are installed center spars are installed, with all WAFs installed except the rear outer WAFs 1/4 ply firewall installed Elevator brackets made Main gear (Diehl) installed with axles, wheels and tires (Matco). rudder, elevator and horizontal stabilizer are glassed, and hinged. vertical stabilizer spar epoxied in place cockpit sides, floor and firewall have been soundproofed using 1/2" foam plus 1/8" soundproofing rubber foam (total 5/8"), covered with 1/16" Finnish birch a/c ply. all control cables have fork ends installed. plus foam, ply, spruce, an nuts & bolts, alum, etc., etc. If you have any questions, you can email or give me a call. If you call and I'm out, please leave a message and I'll return your call. Bob McDonough waldokr2@aol.com 3308 NW 38th Street Gainesville,FL 32606 352 379 3144 --part1_ab.2b1f1e62.2bb1dca8_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 00:53:02 +0100 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: KVP Subject: Re: KR> KR2 Project for Sale Message-ID: <3E80EBDE.BD016B7F@get2net.dk> Name: Kjeld Vinkler Pallesen Add: Banegaardsgade 19 DK 8000 =C5rhus C Danmark Waldokr2@aol.com wrote: > I lost my medical so I am selling my KR2 project. I have $4,600 in rece= ipts > and am asking $4,000. I live in Gainesville, and have built several > homebuilts. I have been told by several builders, including Tom Crawfor= d here > in Gainesville. that the workmanship is excellent If you send me your a= ddress > I will mail you a copy of an article about my project, in the KR Newsle= tter. > > The project includes the following; > West System epoxy was used throughout, including to seal all interior > surfaces. > Dual sticks (R/R) are installed > rudder pedals with toe brakes,(Matco), are installed > Aileron cables, with all brackets, pulleys, etc. are installed > center spars are installed, with all WAFs installed except the rear out= er > WAFs > 1/4 ply firewall installed > Elevator brackets made > Main gear (Diehl) installed with axles, wheels and tires (Matco). > rudder, elevator and horizontal stabilizer are glassed, and hinged. > vertical stabilizer spar epoxied in place > cockpit sides, floor and firewall have been soundproofed using 1/2" foa= m plus > 1/8" soundproofing rubber foam (total 5/8"), covered with 1/16" Finnish= birch > a/c ply. > all control cables have fork ends installed. > plus foam, ply, spruce, an nuts & bolts, alum, etc., etc. > > If you have any questions, you can email or give me a call. If you call= and > I'm out, please leave a message and I'll return your call. > > Bob McDonough > waldokr2@aol.com > 3308 NW 38th Street > Gainesville,FL 32606 > 352 379 3144 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 23:09:48 -0800 To: , "Mark Langford" From: "Al Friesen" Subject: Re: KR> toe-in/camber Message-ID: <000201c2f165$baaebd40$7ecb6cce@s8z8i0> Mark, I had Grove make mine with 1/2 degree toe in and the camber they thought best for the plane and it works great. Al ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 20:26:25 -0500 To: From: "Timothy Bellville" Subject: Re: KR> Kr NEW ? Message-ID: <005001c2f336$b8943760$3e5f570c@default> I have a new concern about my new KR, and please excuse my ignorance with this ,I am use to metal aircraft, but my firewall and engine mount doesn't instill me with allot of confidence that it won't fall off. I have studied the plans and building manual but it still looks like it should be beefier then it is. The original builder made the tank separate from the top cover of the forward cockpit and it looks like the 1/4" firewall is installed. should I reinforce this area? should the tank cover be integral to the fuselage? It has a twenty gal. tank ,is that too much? Do I have to have any metal reinforcements at the engine mounts? Sorry about all this at once. Thanks Tim Bellville New KR2 owner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 17:42:46 -0800 To: "'KRnet@mailinglists.org'" From: "Seifert, Richard E" Subject: RE: KR> Kr NEW ? Message-ID: <9BA7A06DA8127B4B925954F3F8705D3405B8BC5C@XCH-SW-09.sw.nos.boeing.com> Not a problem Tim as long as the builder built to the plans and used a good epoxy as glue. Spruce is called for the main structural members with aircraft grade plywood used to build the upper ledge. The only metal pieces recommended are large washers under the motor mount fastener to spread the load and prevent wood crush at the fastener. Some have used aluminum C-channel and angle to reinforce but I've never heard of a stock setup failing. I also use a 20 gallon alum header tank and have made quite a number of hard landings without any firewall damage. My VW installation is heavier than most at 205 lbs. -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Bellville [mailto:Sonerai1@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 5:26 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Kr NEW ? I have a new concern about my new KR, and please excuse my ignorance with this ,I am use to metal aircraft, but my firewall and engine mount doesn't instill me with allot of confidence that it won't fall off. I have studied the plans and building manual but it still looks like it should be beefier then it is. The original builder made the tank separate from the top cover of the forward cockpit and it looks like the 1/4" firewall is installed. should I reinforce this area? should the tank cover be integral to the fuselage? It has a twenty gal. tank ,is that too much? Do I have to have any metal reinforcements at the engine mounts? Sorry about all this at once. Thanks Tim Bellville New KR2 owner --------------------------------------------------------------------- For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 17:50:26 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Kr NEW ? Message-ID: <20030326015026.40505.qmail@web40904.mail.yahoo.com> Tim, This is an area that worries almost anyone who looks at it. The WAR replicas were WWII fighter-replicas which were built very close to the first KR designs and this is an area they chose to address. They put very heavy metal supports and brackets in. They also used 3/4 inch longerons and crossmembers instead of 5/8in. They use a very complex and heavy retract landing system to look like the original fighters. All this in a plane the size of a KR-1. They added so much extra 'strength' they made it impossible to fly the thing with a VW. Some of the earlier ones did manage but went quickly to 0200. I've seen many questions about this over the years on KRnet and it seems that many do chose to beef up the area. However, many KRs have been built to plans and fly beautifully and, to my knowlege, having an engine fall off in flight has not happened yet. There have been several premature landings due to trying to run an engine on pure air though. The front deck does not have to be integral to the fuselage, just well attached when in flight. 20 gallons of fuel on take-off will give you a lot different plane than five gallons on landing, since the front of your plane will now be about 90 pounds lighter. Several builders have gone to wing tanks to get around the changes in W&B that a high, front-mounted fuel tank leaves you with. Some worry about having all that fuel over their lap. Evidently they never drove a Model A or a VW Beetle or rode in the front seat of a cub. I have not built or flown a KR. Just telling you what I have seen and read. Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX --- Timothy Bellville wrote: > my firewall and engine mount doesn't > instill me with allot of confidence that it won't > fall off. > > forward cockpit and it looks like the 1/4" firewall > is installed. should I > reinforce this area? should the tank cover be > integral to the fuselage? > It has a twenty gal. tank ,is that too much? > Do I have to have any metal reinforcements at the > engine mounts? > Sorry about all this at once. > Thanks > Tim Bellville > New KR2 owner __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 05:50:40 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Kr NEW ? Message-Id: <3E81B030.000001.01152@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_GSZCQL80000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: should the tank cover be integral to the fuselage?=0D =0D The forward deck is attached to the fuselage per plans. However, Bobby M= use has a forward deck and fuel tank that is removable.=0D =0D 20 Gallons is a lot to put up there, but if you are concerned about it, d= on t fill it up. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_GSZCQL80000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 07:00:16 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Kr NEW ? Message-ID: --part1_b0.3698f88e.2bb2f050_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/26/2003 5:46:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, DanRH@AllTel.net writes: > forward deck and fuel tank that is removable N110LR has a removable fwd deck and tank. They are easy to open and allow access to the back of the panel without removing the gas tank. Orma aka AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech --part1_b0.3698f88e.2bb2f050_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 17:54:49 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Off topic Message-ID: <20030326015449.8871.qmail@web40912.mail.yahoo.com> Two words, Virg, Fiftytwo Fiftyeight Miami Edison Rules! Frank --- virgnvs@juno.com wrote: > Beat you to it Frank, Miami High again, Virg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 21:10:34 -0500 To: From: "ROBERT COOPER" Subject: Re: KR> Kr firewall? Message-ID: http://www.jackandsandycooper.com/byrdcrash.html Check the photos of Gene Byrds crash. The firewall is not the weak piont on the KR-2s. The engine was still on the mount, the engine mount was bent but still attached to the firewall. As you will see in the pictures the airplane broke apart at the spar. Jack Cooper mailto:kr2cooper@msn.com http://www.jackandsandycooper.com/kr2 Fayetteville, NC. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Bellville" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 8:26 PM Subject: Re: KR> Kr NEW ? > I have a new concern about my new KR, and please excuse my ignorance with > this ,I am use to metal aircraft, but my firewall and engine mount doesn't > instill me with allot of confidence that it won't fall off. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 02:47:03 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: BABYWOLF@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> New Airfoils & Reed Oak Message-ID: <1d3.5fa1ad2.2bb2b4f7@aol.com> --part1_1d3.5fa1ad2.2bb2b4f7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there interest and would it be feasible to put together a work crew and make a set of molds for the new air foil at this years kr fly in after the molds were made we could contract out to make skins for those in need --part1_1d3.5fa1ad2.2bb2b4f7_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 07:11:28 -0800 To: From: "Ron Eason" Subject: VW Engines, Hapi varient Message-Id: <200303260711.AA149487876@jrl-engineering.com> I am beginning work on modifing my turbo 1835 Hapi VW engine. The engine has a Slick Magneto as first ignition and a electronic ingnition system for the second system. My questions are follows. Not having any manufacturing information about the electronic system, I would like to identify the manufacture for spare parts purposes. What kind of distribution sensor is used? A distributor sensor [without points] senses timing and is wired to 2 orange colored coils. 1 coil fires the front cylenders and one fires the rear cylinders according to the wiring diagram. Can anyone help me identify the spec's on this system? I want to intergrate these systems into my engine electronic management system. KRRon -- Ronald R. Eason Sr. Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. 816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO. Jim Eason V.P, 770-446-1291, Atlanta, Georgia Web Page: www.jrl-engineering.com -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:10:00 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Timboyer2@wmconnect.com Subject: Question firewall fiber frax Message-ID: <103.2a830e0e.2bb338e8@wmconnect.com> --part1_103.2a830e0e.2bb338e8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greeting guys I'm getting ready to do the fire wall . When I place the Fiber Frax on it tells me to use epoxy however it been suggested that I use Fiber Frax cemmet. Which is the best way to go? Thanks Tim --part1_103.2a830e0e.2bb338e8_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:51:19 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Subject: Re: KR> Question firewall fiber frax Message-Id: <20030326175136.HMCZ11345.imf47bis.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Tim, et al, I used red (high temperature) silicone on both sides 'cause it sticks to stainless steel better..... N64KR Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC > > From: Timboyer2@wmconnect.com > Date: 2003/03/26 Wed PM 12:10:00 EST > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: KR> Question firewall fiber frax > > Greeting guys > > I'm getting ready to do the fire wall . When I place the Fiber Frax on it > tells me to use epoxy however it been suggested that I use Fiber Frax cemmet. > Which is the best way to go? > > Thanks Tim > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:20:14 -0500 To: From: "harold woods" Subject: Fw: KR> Re: Fuel tank vent/overflow Message-ID: <017b01c2f3bb$f72c3a60$03000004@baol.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> "Peter Johnson" wrote about putting a T on the end of the vent line from the gas tank, aligning the T so that the air passes through it . Drill a hole in the side in case the front should get plugged. I intend to do this but I shall use a 1/2" copper plumbing T and I will also squeeze the back end of the T to flatten it but not close it. This will cause air to go up the vent line to pressureize the gas tank. Rain drops will thus go straight through the T and out the back because of their high mass and inertia thus water getting into the tank is avoided. Small insects go straight through. It would take a bird strike to plug the 1/2" front of the T and as Peter says that little hole in the side of the T is your insurance policy. Harold Woods Orillia,ON. Canada. > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/03 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:53:53 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Subject: Re: Fw: KR> Re: Fuel tank vent/overflow Message-Id: <20030326175409.HUEW11345.imf47bis.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Harold, Aren't you going to pull a vaccum on the fuel tank..?? From your descriptions, it sounds like you are creating a venturi effect..... N64KR Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC > > From: "harold woods" > Date: 2003/03/26 Wed PM 12:20:14 EST > To: > Subject: Fw: KR> Re: Fuel tank vent/overflow > > > "Peter Johnson" wrote about putting a T on the end of the vent line from > the gas tank, aligning the T so that the air passes through it . Drill a > hole in the side in case the front should get plugged. > I intend to do this but I shall use a 1/2" copper plumbing T and I will also > squeeze the back end of the T to flatten it but not close it. This will > cause air to go up the vent line to pressureize the gas tank. > Rain drops will thus go straight through the T and out the back because of > their high mass and inertia thus water getting into the tank is avoided. > Small insects go straight through. It would take a bird strike to plug the > 1/2" front of the T and as Peter says that little hole in the side of the T > is your insurance policy. > Harold Woods > Orillia,ON. > Canada. > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/03 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:57:23 -0500 To: From: "harold woods" Subject: Fw: KR> Slipping with Flaps Message-ID: <025001c2f3c1$2774d100$03000004@baol.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> I once came into a small field in a Cessna 175, full flaps, slow and far too high. I started a steep slip.Suddenly the bottom fell out. It maintained its straight approach but the projected line in my brain said " this will put me short and 100 feet underground." I stopped the slip and made the field nicely. Never agin will I slip with full flaps. Harold Woods. Orillia,ON. Canada. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/03 ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************