From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 27 Mar 2003 22:29:00 -0000 Issue 670 Date: Thursday, March 27, 2003 3:30 PM krnet Digest 27 Mar 2003 22:29:00 -0000 Issue 670 Topics (messages 16149 through 16178): Re: Fuel tank vent/overflow 16149 by: butch casdorph 16150 by: Tony Rogers fuel tank vent and overflow. 16151 by: harold woods fuel vent line. 16152 by: harold woods 16154 by: Dan Heath 16155 by: Ron Freiberger 16160 by: Ralph H Snyder 16165 by: Dan Heath 16167 by: Dana Overall Re: Firewall failure 16153 by: Ed Janssen Flox 16156 by: Timboyer2.wmconnect.com 16157 by: Mark Jones 16161 by: larry flesner 16162 by: Mac McConnell-Wood 16163 by: Dan Heath 16169 by: Ed Janssen 16177 by: larry flesner 16178 by: Timboyer2.wmconnect.com slips 16158 by: Crkr2s.aol.com 16159 by: wstarrs 16164 by: Dan Heath 16166 by: Dana Overall Sun & Fun 16168 by: Dana Overall 16173 by: virgnvs.juno.com 16174 by: wstarrs fuel vent 16170 by: harold woods 16171 by: gleone Re: toe-in/camber 16172 by: harold woods 16176 by: Kevin TXN 960 NAV/COM FOR SALE 16175 by: KR2BLDR.aol.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:16:50 -0000 To: From: "butch casdorph" Subject: Re: Fw: KR> Re: Fuel tank vent/overflow Message-ID: <001101c2f389$365c8f60$bc2c0a3f@pavilion> That would be my guess too. Butch Casdorph Tempe, Az N914KR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:38:24 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Tony Rogers Subject: Re: Fw: KR> Re: Fuel tank vent/overflow Message-ID: <20030326193824.36021.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> If the squished area is down-stream of the line to the tank, there will be higher than ambient pressure going to the tank. The low pressure occurs where the air is accelerated through the narrowed area. Up stream of the narrowed area the tube will behave almost like a total pressure (pitot) tube, but with a small vent in the back. However, what happens when you fly through a swarm of bees or locust or such and the first one blocks the narrowed end and the others pile in and block the side vent hole and the tank line? Sorry, it's really worst-case, but.... --TR --- krjerry@bellsouth.net wrote: > Harold, > > Aren't you going to pull a vaccum on the fuel tank..?? From > your descriptions, it sounds like you are creating a venturi > effect..... > > N64KR > Jerry Mahurin > Lugoff, SC > > > > From: "harold woods" > > Date: 2003/03/26 Wed PM 12:20:14 EST > > To: > > Subject: Fw: KR> Re: Fuel tank vent/overflow > > > > > > "Peter Johnson" wrote about putting a T on the end of the > vent line from > > the gas tank, aligning the T so that the air passes through > it . Drill a > > hole in the side in case the front should get plugged. > > I intend to do this but I shall use a 1/2" copper plumbing T > and I will also > > squeeze the back end of the T to flatten it but not close > it. This will > > cause air to go up the vent line to pressureize the gas > tank. > > Rain drops will thus go straight through the T and out the > back because of > > their high mass and inertia thus water getting into the tank > is avoided. > > Small insects go straight through. It would take a bird > strike to plug the > > 1/2" front of the T and as Peter says that little hole in > the side of the T > > is your insurance policy. > > Harold Woods > > Orillia,ON. > > Canada. > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: > 3/17/03 > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe > info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe > info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 18:44:47 -0500 To: From: "harold woods" Subject: fuel tank vent and overflow. Message-ID: <001301c2f3f1$afb77920$03000004@baol.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2F3C7.C68D84C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Let us say that grasshoppers collide with and fill the T. Bad scene! = The same holds true for the vent which is just a pipe, bent into the air = stream. Does the probability of this happening warrent a back up = system? A second vent? If another T were in the line leading to a very low pressure gauge and a = ball valve, if a vaccume were to start in the tank, the ball valve could = be opened and let cabin air in so that the engine would not stop. Is the = probability worth the added weight and complexity? To each his own. Harold Woods. Orillia,ON. Canada. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/03 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2F3C7.C68D84C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 18:58:00 -0500 To: From: "harold woods" Subject: fuel vent line. Message-ID: <000b01c2f3f3$88526960$03000004@baol.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2F3C9.9F17AC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The possibility of the T causing a vaccume in the tank cannot happen as = long as the large end of the T points into the wind and the squashed or = restricted end is downstream. The air will be forced up the stem of the = T into the fuel tank. If the T were to be turned around so that the small opening was into = the wind and the large end was downstream then a vaccume would be = created in the tank. Since we are not going to fly backwards , or even = doing aerobatics such as tail slides , I see no problem. What are your = opinions out there ? Harold Woods Orillia, ON. Canada. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/03 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2F3C9.9F17AC20-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:15:38 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> fuel vent line. Message-Id: <3E826CDA.000001.01132@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_221EQL80000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would think that when the front gets stuffed with bees, the back would = be the only opening and therefore would create a vacuum. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_221EQL80000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 21:07:27 -0500 To: From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> fuel vent line. Message-ID: I think it will be adequate to run the fuel line overboard. Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: harold woods [mailto:audreyandharoldwoods@rogers.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 6:58 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> fuel vent line. The possibility of the T causing a vaccume in the tank cannot happen as long as the large end of the T points into the wind and the squashed or restricted end is downstream. The air will be forced up the stem of the T into the fuel tank. If the T were to be turned around so that the small opening was into the wind and the large end was downstream then a vaccume would be created in the tank. Since we are not going to fly backwards , or even doing aerobatics such as tail slides , I see no problem. What are your opinions out there ? Harold Woods Orillia, ON. Canada. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/03 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 23:00:38 -0800 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Ralph H Snyder Subject: Re: KR> fuel vent line. Message-ID: <20030326.230039.-3964599.0.ralphndori@juno.com> I would think it is the back end of the tee, where it is restricted, that would get stuffed with bees. The front end is wide open so they will not stop there, increasing the pressure to the tank. No expert, just my opinion. Ralph Snyder Burbank, CA On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:15:38 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) "Dan Heath" writes: > I would think that when the front gets stuffed with bees, the back > would be > the only opening and therefore would create a vacuum. > > N64KR > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > > See you in Red Oak - 2003 > > See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic > See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:23:19 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> fuel vent line. Message-Id: <3E830957.000007.01132@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_VYVEWCW0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have seen many installations where the fuel vent comes up from the tank and is bent forward. I installed my line on my first KR, coming through = the firewall, down the firewall, out below the cowling, and making a 90 bend forward.=0D =0D I am doing exactly the same thing on this KR, with one add on. I am goin= g to attach a fuel finger strainer to the front of the tube to protect from large bugs. I flew the first KR for over 6 years and never had a bug problem, but it could happen. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_VYVEWCW0000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:47:10 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> fuel vent line. Message-ID: The installation recommended for the little ol aeroplane I'm building now is rediculously simple. Run an alum. line about an inch out the bottom of the plane somewhere, cut the tip at a 45 degree angle facing forward. By doing this you are effectively increasing the entrance hole diameter without having a longer tube bent at a 90 degree angle forward. Place a piece of screen over the tip and be done with it. Very clean and simple install. If anyone wants a pic of this, I'll post it on my website. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive >From: "Dan Heath" >Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org >To: >Subject: Re: KR> fuel vent line. >Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:23:19 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) > >I have seen many installations where the fuel vent comes up from the tank >and is bent forward. I installed my line on my first KR, coming through >the >firewall, down the firewall, out below the cowling, and making a 90 bend >forward. > >I am doing exactly the same thing on this KR, with one add on. I am going >to attach a fuel finger strainer to the front of the tube to protect from >large bugs. I flew the first KR for over 6 years and never had a bug >problem, but it could happen. > >N64KR > >Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > >DanRH@KR-Builder.org > >See you in Red Oak - 2003 > >See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic >See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 18:11:43 -0600 To: From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR> Firewall failure Message-ID: <006c01c2f3f5$72ee6b80$a800a8c0@dad> I know of at least one KR-1(built back in the '70s) that had a firewall pull loose on a hard landing. I believe HPL-15 was used for glue. The firewall at the plywood deck was later reinforced with an angle (not sure whther it was alum. or steel) and each engine mount attach point was backed up with 2" X 2" steel plate on the aft side of the firewall. No problem after that. Ed Janssen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Seifert, Richard E" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:42 PM Subject: RE: KR> Kr NEW ? > Not a problem Tim as long as the builder built to the plans and used a good > epoxy as glue. Spruce is called for the main structural members with > aircraft grade plywood used to build the upper ledge. The only metal pieces > recommended are large washers under the motor mount fastener to spread the > load and prevent wood crush at the fastener. Some have used aluminum > C-channel and angle to reinforce but I've never heard of a stock setup > failing. I also use a 20 gallon alum header tank and have made quite a > number of hard landings without any firewall damage. > My VW installation is heavier than most at 205 lbs. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Timothy Bellville [mailto:Sonerai1@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 5:26 PM > To: KRnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: Re: KR> Kr NEW ? > > > I have a new concern about my new KR, and please excuse my ignorance with > this ,I am use to metal aircraft, but my firewall and engine mount doesn't > instill me with allot of confidence that it won't fall off. > I have studied the plans and building manual but it still looks like it > should be beefier then it is. > The original builder made the tank separate from the top cover of the > forward cockpit and it looks like the 1/4" firewall is installed. should I > reinforce this area? should the tank cover be integral to the fuselage? > It has a twenty gal. tank ,is that too much? > Do I have to have any metal reinforcements at the engine mounts? > Sorry about all this at once. > Thanks > Tim Bellville > New KR2 owner > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit > http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 23:15:36 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Timboyer2@wmconnect.com Subject: Flox Message-ID: <1d5.6016a03.2bb3d4e8@wmconnect.com> --part1_1d5.6016a03.2bb3d4e8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know were I can get the Flox Dan Deihl uses on his wingskins I looked in Wicks and a few other place but can't seem to find it.. Thanks Tim --part1_1d5.6016a03.2bb3d4e8_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 22:24:57 -0600 To: From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Flox Message-ID: <00d001c2f418$d3342e80$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Tim, Flox is cotton fiber mixed with epoxy, which I am sure you already knew. What does Diehl recommend? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 10:15 PM Subject: KR> Flox > Does anyone know were I can get the Flox Dan Deihl uses on his wingskins I > looked in Wicks and a few other place but can't seem to find it.. > > Thanks Tim > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 04:03:59 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: Flox Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20030327040359.007bfb10@pop.midwest.net> >Does anyone know were I can get the Flox Dan Deihl uses on his wingskins I >looked in Wicks and a few other place but can't seem to find it.. >Thanks Tim +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Unless Dan Diehl says to use something other then "flox", Wicks has it in their catalog. Look at the index in the back or just look in the fiberglass section of the catalog. As far as I know , flox is flox is flox........... Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:52:21 -0000 To: From: "Mac McConnell-Wood" Subject: Re: KR> Flox Message-ID: <00cf01c2f44f$0a5791a0$ad8d403e@tinypc> Dan told me to use Vynilester flox when I fitted my skins 10 years ago. They have survived a ground loop into a field of mature oil seed (canola) without any problems- took the engine off but that's another storey! The only problem is it goes off very quickly so you have to have a chum who knows what he's doing and rehearse your procedure! Cheers Mac KR2 G- BVZJ UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:03 AM Subject: KR> Flox > >Does anyone know were I can get the Flox Dan Deihl uses on his wingskins I > >looked in Wicks and a few other place but can't seem to find it.. > >Thanks Tim > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Unless Dan Diehl says to use something other then "flox", Wicks has it > in their catalog. Look at the index in the back or just look in the > fiberglass > section of the catalog. As far as I know , flox is flox is flox........... > > Larry Flesner > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:15:18 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Flox Message-Id: <3E830775.000003.01132@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_ILVEG6G0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I do believe that Aircraft Spruce carries it. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_ILVEG6G0000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:45:09 -0600 To: From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR> Flox Message-ID: <002901c2f45e$b3d55140$a800a8c0@dad> Tim, For "flox", look under "cotton flock" in the Wicks catalog. I think most builders refer to "flox" as the product resulting from mixing cotton flock with epoxy. Ed Janssen ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 4:03 AM Subject: KR> Flox > >Does anyone know were I can get the Flox Dan Deihl uses on his wingskins I > >looked in Wicks and a few other place but can't seem to find it.. > >Thanks Tim > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Unless Dan Diehl says to use something other then "flox", Wicks has it > in their catalog. Look at the index in the back or just look in the > fiberglass > section of the catalog. As far as I know , flox is flox is flox........... > > Larry Flesner > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:45:32 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Flox Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20030327154532.007a96e0@pop.midwest.net> >Dan told me to use Vynilester flox when I fitted my skins 10 years ago. They >have survived a ground loop into a field of mature oil seed (canola) without >any problems- Cheers Mac KR2 G- BVZJ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Vynilester flox = vynilester resin mixed with flox (chopped cotton fibers) The "flox" keeps the resin from running during cure. The cotton fibers are structural in nature. You are able to apply a thick mixture to the areas to be bonded to insure proper contact and gap fill. Think of the "mixture" as a thick structural paste. I'm sure the resin and "flox" material (you buy it by the pound) are available from Wicks. You buy them separately and mix when ready to use. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:29:19 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Timboyer2@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: KR> Flox Message-ID: <122.209b7595.2bb4d53f@wmconnect.com> --part1_122.209b7595.2bb4d53f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Larry for the info that is a big help Tim --part1_122.209b7595.2bb4d53f_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 00:21:18 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Crkr2s@aol.com Subject: slips Message-ID: <13.1a520aa6.2bb3e44e@aol.com> --part1_13.1a520aa6.2bb3e44e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Netters, Please forgive my ignorance, but is a slip the same as a crab? It's been almost 20 years since I've last flown. I was taught to how to crab the plane (Grumman American Yankee) to stay lined up on the runway center line until it was time to flare. Chuck Wyatt Tehuacana, Texas crkr2s@aol.com --part1_13.1a520aa6.2bb3e44e_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 23:02:30 -0700 To: From: "wstarrs" Subject: Re: KR> slips Message-ID: <003901c2f426$744049a0$9200a8c0@bstarrs> They are not the same. In a slip you drop one wing with, cross control, to loose altitude quickly.Bill Strarrs wstarrs@netzero.nmet ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 10:21 PM Subject: KR> slips > Hi Netters, > > Please forgive my ignorance, but is a slip the same as a crab? It's been > almost 20 years since I've last flown. I was taught to how to crab the plane > (Grumman American Yankee) to stay lined up on the runway center line until it > was time to flare. > > Chuck Wyatt > Tehuacana, Texas > crkr2s@aol.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:18:15 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> slips Message-Id: <3E830827.000005.01132@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_FQVE6RO0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Please forgive my ignorance, but is a slip the same as a crab?=0D =0D =0D I believe that a crab is flying in with a heading that will compensate fo= r the wind speed and direction, such that you will stay on your course line= =2E=20 A slip is a cross control maneuver. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_FQVE6RO0000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:38:58 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> slips Message-ID: To expound a little on what Bill stated, the two are not the same. A crab is self initiated by the airplane itself as it directs itself into the prevailing wind, ie. seeking the direction of the crosswind. A slip is application of aileron control and subsequent cross application of rudder to incur both reduction in lift and an increase in drag as a means to increase sink while maintaining the same pitch attitude. Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive >From: Crkr2s@aol.com >Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org >To: KRnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: KR> slips >Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 00:21:18 EST > >Hi Netters, > >Please forgive my ignorance, but is a slip the same as a crab? It's been >almost 20 years since I've last flown. I was taught to how to crab the >plane >(Grumman American Yankee) to stay lined up on the runway center line until >it >was time to flare. > >Chuck Wyatt >Tehuacana, Texas >crkr2s@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:49:59 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Sun & Fun Message-ID: Who's going and who wants to meet up on Saturday? I'll bring the grill if we want to do a beer and brats dinner Sat. evening after the regular airshow. I believe the night airshow is also scheduled for Sat. night. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:12:19 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Sun & Fun Message-ID: <20030327.111230.-305671.2.virgnvs@juno.com> Check with Steve or Linda Bennett first, Virg On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:49:59 -0500 "Dana Overall" writes: > Who's going and who wants to meet up on Saturday? > > I'll bring the grill if we want to do a beer and brats dinner Sat. > evening > after the regular airshow. I believe the night airshow is also > scheduled > for Sat. night. > > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY > RV-7 slider/fuselage > http://rvflying.tripod.com > do not archive > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, > visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:56:08 -0700 To: From: "wstarrs" Subject: Re: KR> Sun & Fun Message-ID: <000001c2f48b$1b08fac0$9200a8c0@bstarrs> If you're gonna bring the girls who needs th air show. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" To: Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 4:49 AM Subject: KR> Sun & Fun > Who's going and who wants to meet up on Saturday? > > I'll bring the grill if we want to do a beer and brats dinner Sat. evening > after the regular airshow. I believe the night airshow is also scheduled > for Sat. night. > > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY > RV-7 slider/fuselage > http://rvflying.tripod.com > do not archive > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:35:21 -0500 To: From: "harold woods" Subject: fuel vent Message-ID: <000e01c2f465$b710c900$03000004@baol.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2F43B.CDEFFC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dana Overall's suggestion of placing a fuel vent into the wind by = cutting a 45 degree cut on the pipe and covering it with screen is an = excellent suggestion.Ram air keeps the tank pressureized. We have a problem in that "mud dauber wasps" like to plug up small = orifices with mud. They pick on small diameter holes such as pitot = heads on the air speed system. Nothing like taking off and finding there = is no airspeed indication. Harold Woods Orillia,ON. Canada --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/03 ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2F43B.CDEFFC60-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:45:39 -0700 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: gleone Subject: Re: KR> fuel vent Message-ID: <3E830083.70DDBC41@tritel.net> --------------393B267F0E41C21A51C25793 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is why you do a preflight. harold woods wrote: > Dana Overall's suggestion of placing a fuel vent into the wind by cutting a 45 degree cut on the pipe and covering it with screen is an excellent suggestion.Ram air keeps the tank pressureized. > We have a problem in that "mud dauber wasps" like to plug up small orifices with mud. They pick on small diameter holes such as pitot heads on the air speed system. Nothing like taking off and finding there is no airspeed indication. > Harold Woods > Orillia,ON. > Canada > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/03 --------------393B267F0E41C21A51C25793-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:48:07 -0500 To: From: "harold woods" Subject: Re: KR> toe-in/camber Message-ID: <019601c2f478$42e2ae00$03000004@baol.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Hi Mark. I have heard that a slight toe in is best. This is evident when a slight swerve occurs. The added drag on the outside of the curve due to the outside wheel pointing inwards makes the swerve self correcting. If the wheels were set with toe out you can see that on swinging to one side the wheel on the inside of the curve gets the most drag. This causes the swing to increase which if not stopped quickly results in a ground loop. Toe out makes for hairy landings. Toe in prevents the groundlooping tendency. Zero in/out leaves the control up to you. This reduces tire wear which would occur with both toe in and toe out. Be sure that during the bending of the geer legs no toe out will occur. If the geer does not produce toe out on bending then I think that a straight forward setting would be best. Harold Woods. Orillia,ON. Canada. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/03 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:25:45 -0500 (EST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Kevin Subject: Re: Re: KR> toe-in/camber Message-ID: <7398960.1048800346297.JavaMail.nobody@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Well this is another one of those things I dissagree on. I believe you want it either straight or a tiny amount of toe out. I have found with many taildragger model airplanes that toe out makes it easy to land. With toe in they become ground loopers. With toe in, you have each wheel fighting to ground loop the plane. Finally, one will win and around you go. I usually Grab hold of the gear on these looper models and pry them outward and I am good to go. Kevin. -------Original Message------- From: harold woods Sent: 03/27/03 10:48 AM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> toe-in/camber > > Hi Mark. I have heard that a slight toe in is best. This is evident when a slight swerve occurs. The added drag on the outside of the curve due to the outside wheel pointing inwards makes the swerve self correcting. If the wheels were set with toe out you can see that on swinging to one side the wheel on the inside of the curve gets the most drag. This causes the swing to increase which if not stopped quickly results in a ground loop. Toe out makes for hairy landings. Toe in prevents the groundlooping tendency. Zero in/out leaves the control up to you. This reduces tire wear which would occur with both toe in and toe out. Be sure that during the bending of the geer legs no toe out will occur. If the geer does not produce toe out on bending then I think that a straight forward setting would be best. Harold Woods. Orillia,ON. Canada. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/03 --------------------------------------------------------------------- For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:56:51 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2BLDR@aol.com Subject: TXN 960 NAV/COM FOR SALE Message-ID: <172.1834b931.2bb4b183@aol.com> Terra TXN 960 Nav/Com with ECDI 720 CH $1360.00 obo, Brand New, still in box with manual, Call (760) 252-5649 or e-mail off the krnet. 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