From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 29 Mar 2003 14:03:01 -0000 Issue 671 Date: Saturday, March 29, 2003 7:03 AM krnet Digest 29 Mar 2003 14:03:01 -0000 Issue 671 Topics (messages 16179 through 16208): Re: Flox 16179 by: Jim Faughn 16180 by: Dan Heath 16185 by: Ronevogt.aol.com 16186 by: Cowgirlflying.wmconnect.com Re: toe-in/camber 16181 by: Dan Heath 16184 by: DIRTDOBBER47.aol.com Re: fuel vent line. 16182 by: AviationMech.aol.com 16183 by: Dan Heath 16195 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout FRIDAY 16187 by: cartera 16188 by: Frank Dungan 16190 by: Ron Eason 16191 by: V. P. 16197 by: virgnvs.juno.com 16198 by: Bob 16199 by: cartera 16200 by: Shane Daly Re: Sun & Fun 16189 by: Dana Overall Ouestion on making the fire wall 16192 by: Cowgirlflying.wmconnect.com 16194 by: KRJerry 16201 by: Cowgirlflying.wmconnect.com 16204 by: David Hartz 16207 by: KRJerry Fuel caps 16193 by: AviationMech.aol.com Re: wing joint covers 16196 by: Timothy Bellville 16206 by: Dan Heath toe in or out - sorta long 16202 by: lloyd schultz 16208 by: Kevin Homebuiltairplanes.com 16203 by: admin.homebuiltairplanes.com Re: VW Engines, Hapi varient 16205 by: David Hartz Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:18:38 -0600 To: "KR Net Response" From: "Jim Faughn" Subject: Re: KR> Flox Message-ID: <002e01c2f4bf$94e40ea0$64466ad8@jfaughn> I've been around when Dan has talked about joining his wing skins and when he has talked about people that did it wrong. Please use vinylester when you attach Dan's skins. If you have questions, call him. If you use epoxy then you must significantly abrade the surface you are gluing to for it to hold. Dan has peeled wings apart that were attached with Epoxy without the proper preparation. This is similar to a thread previously where painters were talking about sticking with the same product so you won't have adhesion problems. Stick with the same glue. I know, I've built my entire airplane with vinylester and it works great if you stick with it. Note: lets not start another vinylester pro and con thread.... Just get the vinylester and mix it with cotton everything will hold just fine. Jim Faughn 4323D Laclede Ave. St. Louis, MO 63108 (314)652-7659 Mailto:jfaughn@mvp.net Web Site http://jfaughn.com >Dan told me to use Vynilester flox when I fitted my skins 10 years ago. >They have survived a ground loop into a field of mature oil seed (canola) without >any problems- Cheers Mac KR2 G- BVZJ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Vynilester flox = vynilester resin mixed with flox (chopped cotton fibers) The "flox" keeps the resin from running during cure. The cotton fibers are structural in nature. You are able to apply a thick mixture to the areas to be bonded to insure proper contact and gap fill. Think of the "mixture" as a thick structural paste. I'm sure the resin and "flox" material (you buy it by the pound) are available from Wicks. You buy them separately and mix when ready to use. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:25:18 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Flox Message-Id: <3E83DCBE.000008.01132@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_6Q1GRN00000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Please use vinylester when you attach Dan's skins. =0D =0D The reason you need to use VinylEster is because that is what the skins a= re made of. I talked with Dan a bit at the last gathering and he told me th= at the reason he uses VinylEster is because it is a "laminating" resin. Tha= t means that when you add your laminate, the part that puts it together, it will laminate.=0D =0D As far as using it for the entire plane, well....... we won't get into t= hat but I promise you that Aero Poxy is head and shoulders above it for regu= lar use. The reason is, that a "Laminating resin" leaves a sticky layer on t= op for the next laminate. That is why your sand paper will gum up if you us= e it as your top laminate.=0D =0D Sorry.... I guess I got into it. =0D =0D What I am trying to get across to everyone, is don't make the same mistak= e that I did. Understand the resin you are going to use and use the right resin for the purpose at hand.=0D =0D =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_6Q1GRN00000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:02:38 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Ronevogt@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Flox Message-ID: <12c.26b5d674.2bb5da2e@aol.com> --part1_12c.26b5d674.2bb5da2e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I built my KR using Deihl skins...and used the proper mixture. In fact, I have tape provided by Dan Deihl. If you want it...let me know...and I'll send it to you. It walks you through the process, step by step. RV --part1_12c.26b5d674.2bb5da2e_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:06:04 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Cowgirlflying@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: KR> Flox Message-ID: --part1_a8.1a9a151a.2bb5e90c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the help and the offer I already got tape I'm just trying to make sure I do it right... Thanks again Tim --part1_a8.1a9a151a.2bb5e90c_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:28:41 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: Re: KR> toe-in/camber Message-Id: <3E83DD89.00000A.01132@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_TV1GH890000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, I think toe out is not good. I set mine to toe in and flew it for= 6 years with absolutely no tendancy to loop. Everything that I have ever r= ead says guard against toe out. Zero to 3 degrees in, is good. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_TV1GH890000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 06:48:51 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: DIRTDOBBER47@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> toe-in/camber Message-ID: <25B08C21.53BB2D2E.FC4E1B58@aol.com> i agree with you kevin 100%. wayne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:23:05 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> fuel vent line. Message-ID: <179.17e732b5.2bb51a19@aol.com> --part1_179.17e732b5.2bb51a19_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/26/2003 6:59:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, audreyandharoldwoods@rogers.com writes: > opinions out there Just a couple of comments. First pressurizing the fuel system. Float style carbs have no problem with fuel pressure. However some slide body carbs are greatly affected by pressure and as such care must be taken to consider the effect on the carb of the type of fuel vent system installed. An example of this is the old Posa carb which gets richer with increased fuel pressure. I currently use a RevFlow carb which also is enriched by increased fuel pressure. Both of these two carbs are set to the average flow of the fuel under gravity. My vent system has worked good for me . It consists simply of overflow from the header into my two wing tanks, using the two wing tank feed lines. The wing tanks vent through a line in each tank that extends from the top of the outboard corner and exits through flush holes in the bottom of the wings. No pressure, and No suction. Orma aka AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech --part1_179.17e732b5.2bb51a19_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:40:08 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> fuel vent line. Message-Id: <3E83EE48.000010.01132@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_W65GN0X1VA4000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Just a couple of comments. First pressurizing the fuel system=0D =0D I confess, the carb on the craft that I used that vent on, was an Ellison= =2E=20 However, I think that the "pressure" is just "positive". I don't think t= hat it would adversely affect how the Revflow receives fuel. The Revflow, do= es have cockpit adjustable, fuel flow capability.=0D =0D I can't believe that I said something positive about a Revflow. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_W65GN0X1VA4000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 20:11:40 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Subject: Re: KR> fuel vent line. Message-ID: <20030328.201527.2344.0.klw1953@juno.com> I have the Rev Flow, I also pressurize it with a vent tube pointed directly into the wind under the aft belly of the plane. This system works very well and no need to redesign it guys. Sometimes I gotta wonder if some people are getting to close to flying their projects and their trying to figure a way to drag out the building process. 6399u looking forward to spring!!!!!!!!! On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:40:08 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) "Dan Heath" writes: > RE: Just a couple of comments. First pressurizing the fuel system > > I confess, the carb on the craft that I used that vent on, was an > Ellison. > However, I think that the "pressure" is just "positive". I don't > think that > it would adversely affect how the Revflow receives fuel. The > Revflow, does > have cockpit adjustable, fuel flow capability. > > I can't believe that I said something positive about a Revflow. > > N64KR > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > > See you in Red Oak - 2003 > > See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic > See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:21:07 -0700 To: KRNet From: cartera Subject: FRIDAY Message-ID: <3E84AEB3.5DF66F45@cuug.ab.ca> This is the day to say it! I am Canadian, but ashamed to say it because of our rancid government. Over my aviation years I have rubbed elbows with many Americans and hold an expired US Commercial Pilots License from OKC, I flew out of Nashville for 6 months. I stand beside you all the way not behind but beside you. "GOD BLESS AMERICA". -- Adrian VE6AFY Calgary, Alberta Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:51:38 -0600 To: From: "Frank Dungan" Subject: Re: KR> FRIDAY Message-Id: Thanks... I posted this on the wall here at American Airlines fd >>> cartera@cuug.ab.ca 03/28/03 02:21PM >>> This is the day to say it! I am Canadian, but ashamed to say it because of our rancid government. Over my aviation years I have rubbed elbows with many Americans and hold an expired US Commercial Pilots License from OKC, I flew out of Nashville for 6 months. I stand beside you all the way not behind but beside you. "GOD BLESS AMERICA". --=20 Adrian VE6AFY Calgary, Alberta Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca=20 http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit = http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=20 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 17:31:25 -0600 To: From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> FRIDAY Message-ID: <007901c2f582$2601a1f0$6501a8c0@Administration> Thanks, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "cartera" To: "KRNet" Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 2:21 PM Subject: KR> FRIDAY > This is the day to say it! > I am Canadian, but ashamed to say it because of our rancid government. > Over my aviation years I have rubbed elbows with many Americans and > hold an expired US Commercial Pilots License from OKC, I flew out of > Nashville for 6 months. I stand beside you all the way not behind but > beside you. "GOD BLESS AMERICA". > -- > Adrian VE6AFY > Calgary, Alberta > Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca > http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 17:32:24 -0600 To: From: "V. P." Subject: RE: KR> FRIDAY Message-ID: Thank you.... -----Original Message----- From: cartera [mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 14:21 To: KRNet Subject: KR> FRIDAY This is the day to say it! I am Canadian, but ashamed to say it because of our rancid government. Over my aviation years I have rubbed elbows with many Americans and hold an expired US Commercial Pilots License from OKC, I flew out of Nashville for 6 months. I stand beside you all the way not behind but beside you. "GOD BLESS AMERICA". -- Adrian VE6AFY Calgary, Alberta Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera --------------------------------------------------------------------- For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 20:24:59 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: virgnvs@juno.com Subject: Re: KR> FRIDAY Message-ID: <20030328.204401.-406901.8.virgnvs@juno.com> AMEN, Virg K4VSC On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:21:07 -0700 cartera writes: > This is the day to say it! > I am Canadian, but ashamed to say it because of our rancid > government. > Over my aviation years I have rubbed elbows with many Americans and > hold an expired US Commercial Pilots License from OKC, I flew out > of > Nashville for 6 months. I stand beside you all the way not behind > but > beside you. "GOD BLESS AMERICA". > -- > Adrian VE6AFY > Calgary, Alberta > Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca > http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, > visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 20:01:06 +0000 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Bob Subject: Re: KR> FRIDAY Message-ID: <3E84AA02.471F4494@hcnews.com> Adrain...thanks there is much at stake in this process..bob cartera wrote: > > This is the day to say it! > I am Canadian, but ashamed to say it because of our rancid government. > Over my aviation years I have rubbed elbows with many Americans and > hold an expired US Commercial Pilots License from OKC, I flew out of > Nashville for 6 months. I stand beside you all the way not behind but > beside you. "GOD BLESS AMERICA". > -- > Adrian VE6AFY > Calgary, Alberta > Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca > http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html cartera wrote: > > This is the day to say it! > I am Canadian, but ashamed to say it because of our rancid government. > Over my aviation years I have rubbed elbows with many Americans and > hold an expired US Commercial Pilots License from OKC, I flew out of > Nashville for 6 months. I stand beside you all the way not behind but > beside you. "GOD BLESS AMERICA". > -- > Adrian VE6AFY > Calgary, Alberta > Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca > http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 19:22:43 -0700 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: cartera Subject: Re: KR> FRIDAY Message-ID: <3E850373.BB3933C7@cuug.ab.ca> Holy shit, now saddam is going to come after me! But that's OK have a lot of good buddies. Frank Dungan wrote: > > Thanks... > I posted this on the wall here at American Airlines > fd > > >>> cartera@cuug.ab.ca 03/28/03 02:21PM >>> > This is the day to say it! > I am Canadian, but ashamed to say it because of our rancid government. > Over my aviation years I have rubbed elbows with many Americans and > hold an expired US Commercial Pilots License from OKC, I flew out of > Nashville for 6 months. I stand beside you all the way not behind but > beside you. "GOD BLESS AMERICA". > -- > Adrian VE6AFY > Calgary, Alberta > Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca > http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 19:24:01 -0800 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Shane Daly Subject: Re: KR> FRIDAY Message-id: <056901c2f5a2$a4f7b740$cf4e9244@cg.shawcable.net> I to am ashamed to say that I am a Canadian at this point in time. To all my fellow Canadians, Send a message to our spineless Prime Minister and let him know just how we feel about him. Send your message to pm@pm.gc.ca Here is a copy of the message that I have sent. Feel free to send the same message. Prime Minister Chrétien; I believe that Canada should pledge its support of the U.S. and British efforts in Iraq. I do not believe that you or your immediate supporters have the best interests of Canadians in mind when you speak against the war in Iraq. I believe you should abandon your own personal agendas and offer support to our ally and neighbor, The United States of America. By failing to do so, I believe you may be jeopardizing an integral relationship with the U.S. and may be putting my future in the balance by threatening our economic ties to the U.S. and by threatening Canada's own safety by severing ties with the U.S. and its military capacity. I urge you to pledge your support for the U.S.A. on behalf of the Canadian People. Sincerely, Shane Daly A Proud Canadian Thank you, I needed that, Shane Daly Calgary, Alberta f4u5n@shaw.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "cartera" To: "KRNet" Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:21 PM Subject: KR> FRIDAY > This is the day to say it! > I am Canadian, but ashamed to say it because of our rancid government. > Over my aviation years I have rubbed elbows with many Americans and > hold an expired US Commercial Pilots License from OKC, I flew out of > Nashville for 6 months. I stand beside you all the way not behind but > beside you. "GOD BLESS AMERICA". > -- > Adrian VE6AFY > Calgary, Alberta > Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca > http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:30:44 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> Sun & Fun Message-ID: >From: virgnvs@juno.com Check with Steve or Linda Bennett first, Virg > Seems I must have forgot we had to get Steve's permission to get some people together........... What he is referring to Steve Bennett usually has a beer and brats get together during the afternoon airshow one day at Sun & Fun. As I posted, if anyone wants to get together for the Sat. night, not evening if Steve is having his thing then, airshow speak up..........or I'm going over the alum side that night;-) Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:42:02 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Cowgirlflying@wmconnect.com Subject: Ouestion on making the fire wall Message-ID: <95.2bd71fcc.2bb637ca@wmconnect.com> --part1_95.2bd71fcc.2bb637ca_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Im putting together the firewall. In the manual it tells me to use T88 epoxy to attach the fiberfrax and then the metal. However I have been told by others building differant aircraft that I should use the fiberfrax glue to attach the metal and fiberfrax instead of the T88. What are the you guys with the KR2 using? Thanks Pat --part1_95.2bd71fcc.2bb637ca_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 20:04:46 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "KRJerry" Subject: Re: KR> Ouestion on making the fire wall Message-Id: <3E851B5E.000001.01596@oldmerlin> --------------Boundary-00=_YNSHQL80000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_YNSHLVC0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_YNSHLVC0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =2E.....I used red silicone. I think the silicone would stand the heat a= nd probably stick to stainless better than T88. All that you are doing is holding it in place until you sandwich it in with bolts and tapes and oth= er stuff as you build up your firewall. It is not structural or anything li= ke that.....=0D =0D Keep on keeping on,=0D =0D =0D N64KR=0D Jerry Mahurin=0D Lugoff, SC=0D KRJerry@bellsouth.net=0D http://kr-builder.org=0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Friday, March 28, 2003 03:44:47 PM=0D To: krnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: KR> Ouestion on making the fire wall=0D =0D Im putting together the firewall. In the manual it tells me to use T88 ep= oxy =0D to attach the fiberfrax and then the metal. However I have been told by =0D others building differant aircraft that I should use the fiberfrax glue t= o =0D attach the metal and fiberfrax instead of the T88. What are the you guys = =0D with the KR2 using?=0D =0D Thanks Pat --------------Boundary-00=_YNSHLVC0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
......I used red silicone.  I think the silicone would sta= nd the heat and probably stick to stainless better than T88. All tha= t you are doing is holding it in place until you sandwich it in with bolt= s and tapes and other stuff as you build up your firewall.  It is no= t structural or anything like that.....
 
Keep on keeping on,
 
 
N64KR
Jerry Mahurin
Lugoff, SC
KRJerry@bellsouth.net
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: Friday, Marc= h 28, 2003 03:44:47 PM
Subject: KR> Ou= estion on making the fire wall
 
Im putting together the firewall. In the manual it tells= me to use T88 epoxy
to attach the fiberfrax and then the metal. Howe= ver I have been told by
others building differant aircraft that I sho= uld use the fiberfrax glue to
attach the metal and fiberfrax instead = of the T88. What are the you guys
with the KR2 using?

Thanks P= at

=3D""

--------------Boundary-00=_YNSHLVC0000000000000-- --------------Boundary-00=_YNSHQL80000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 21:42:10 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Cowgirlflying@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: KR> Ouestion on making the fire wall Message-ID: <167.1dfaf0c4.2bb66202@wmconnect.com> --part1_167.1dfaf0c4.2bb66202_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jerry Is it a special type red silicone you used if so were do you get. Pat --part1_167.1dfaf0c4.2bb66202_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 00:39:15 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: David Hartz Subject: Re: KR> Ouestion on making the fire wall Message-ID: <20030329083915.13275.qmail@web41308.mail.yahoo.com> NETTERS HIGH TEMP RED SILICONE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE FIBERFAX NOT ONLY IS A BETTER BONDING AGENT BUT ADDS TO INCREASE PROTECTION IN THE EVENT OF ENGINE FIRE. DAVE --- KRJerry wrote: > ......I used red silicone. I think the silicone > would stand the heat and > probably stick to stainless better than T88. All > that you are doing is > holding it in place until you sandwich it in with > bolts and tapes and other > stuff as you build up your firewall. It is not > structural or anything like > that..... > > Keep on keeping on, > > > N64KR > Jerry Mahurin > Lugoff, SC > KRJerry@bellsouth.net > http://kr-builder.org > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: KRnet@mailinglists.org > Date: Friday, March 28, 2003 03:44:47 PM > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: KR> Ouestion on making the fire wall > > Im putting together the firewall. In the manual it > tells me to use T88 epoxy > > to attach the fiberfrax and then the metal. However > I have been told by > others building differant aircraft that I should use > the fiberfrax glue to > attach the metal and fiberfrax instead of the T88. > What are the you guys > with the KR2 using? > > Thanks Pat __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 08:59:26 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: , From: "KRJerry" Subject: Re: KR> Ouestion on making the fire wall Message-Id: <3E85D0EE.000004.01236@oldmerlin> --------------Boundary-00=_2JSIBHK0000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_2JSI6RO0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_2JSI6RO0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =2E.............it is just plain old red (high temperature) silicone. It= is the same stuff whether you get it at the local auto parts store or from a= n aircraft supply company..........=0D =0D =0D N64KR=0D Jerry Mahurin=0D Lugoff, SC=0D KRJerry@bellsouth.net=0D http://kr-builder.org=0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Friday, March 28, 2003 06:44:27 PM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: Re: KR> Ouestion on making the fire wall=0D =0D Hi Jerry =0D =0D Is it a special type red silicone you used if so were do you get.=0D =0D Pat --------------Boundary-00=_2JSI6RO0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
..............it is just plain old red (high temperature) silicone.&= nbsp; It is the same stuff whether you get it at the local auto part= s store or from an aircraft supply company..........
 
 
N64KR
Jerry Mahurin
Lugoff, SC
KRJerry@bellsouth.net
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: Friday, Marc= h 28, 2003 06:44:27 PM
Subject: Re: KR>= ; Ouestion on making the fire wall
 
Hi Jerry

Is it a special type red silicone you u= sed if so were do you get.

Pat

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--------------Boundary-00=_2JSI6RO0000000000000-- --------------Boundary-00=_2JSIBHK0000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 19:12:40 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Fuel caps Message-ID: <1ad.11ead55e.2bb63ef8@aol.com> --part1_1ad.11ead55e.2bb63ef8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any good discussion about fuel tank pressure should include information about the fuel cap used. Mine is an aviation cap from a certified aircraft and it incorporates a negative pressure relief valve, as does most Cessna and Piper fuel caps. It consists of a rubber diaphram that allows air to come in and prevents fuel from going out. I once had a cap that allowed fuel to come out, which got on the canopy and obscured my vision very badly. Orma aka AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech --part1_1ad.11ead55e.2bb63ef8_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 20:48:43 -0500 To: From: "Timothy Bellville" Subject: Re: KR>wing joint covers Message-ID: <003501c2f595$55bee020$3c60570c@default> OK guys, Here is a new one, how do you make the covers to cover the joints of the wings and how do you attach them? The plans are not any help. Thanks Tim Bellville ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 05:58:39 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR>wing joint covers Message-Id: <3E85A68F.000009.01132@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_R5KIMY50000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Here is a new one, how do you make the covers to cover the joints of the=0D wings and how do you attach them?=0D =0D On my first KR, I made the attach points by inserting a piece of aluminum angle with a blind nut on it, as the washer behind one of the wing attach bolts on fore, aft, top, and bottom. I am planning a different method fo= r attachment on this one and will document it as soon as I get there.=0D =0D I made the covers out of fiberglass. I made a layup of 4 layers of glass and resin, on the bench. This layup was long and wide enough to wrap aro= und the wing joint. I let it cure to "green". At that point, it is very flexible and just a little sticky. I then wrapped it around the wing joi= nt, with the wings on, and taped it in place. This allowed the part to cure = and take on the compound curve.=0D =0D The final product did want to sag a little on the bottom, so I put some t= wo sided tape on it between the attach points. I think that for this KR, I will use 6 layers of glass.=0D =0D Jerry and I will document this on our site when we get there, but that is probably 2 or 3 months away.=0D =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_R5KIMY50000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 20:17:30 -0700 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: lloyd schultz Subject: toe in or out - sorta long Message-ID: <3E851049.97DD00DA@earthlink.net> This subject seems to come up on many forums, and usually gets a lot of comments, many of which disagree. Mine won't be any better. I haven't built a full-scale airplane and am nothing but the rankest of amatuers. I HAVE however, flown many tailwheel airplanes, including a handful of those that are supposed to need Steve Canyon to control, and I've built over 100 radio control model airplanes with tailwheel landing gear, and have learned a number of things that help keep them going straighter than if I'd not used them. The reason for this post is to say that of all those things, I consider toe-in, toe-out or straight-ahead just about the least important of all. To wit, it is common to accidentally land models a little long and run off the far end of the runway, into a heavy weed or post, etc., and in the altercation, bend the main landing gear. So you bend it back well enough to fly the rest of the day and FIX it when you get home. Point is, I've had many which tracked straight quite easily after I dutifully made sure the gear had a little toe-in, but with ugly amounts of TOE-OUT after the altercation, I COULDN'T TELL ANY DIFFERENCE. On the other hand, locating the main gear as near the CG, but forward of it, as you have guts to do (the closer it is, the easier the airplane noses over, especially when brakes are applied on a full-scale airplane...can you say, Cessna 120?). The closer the mains are to the CG, the easier the thing is to track straight. Hard-sprung main gear with the softest-sprung tail that won't bottom is also a help...as the mains jounce, they contact the ground less percent of the time, while the soft-sprung tailwheel has much better purchase than a hard-sprung tailwheel. The mains still have far more overall purchase, so the tailwheel still is the end that wants to go to the front, but hard mains and a soft tail sure help. The larger the tailwheel, the larger its tire patch, and the better its purchase. The gear lengths, mains vs tailwheel, determine the angle of attack (or angle of incidence) the wing "sees" during 3-point rolling, and the more severe this is, the more squirrelly it can be, but not always. Likewise, the less this AOA, the less drag you have on rollout, and the more braking needed to stop as quick. Life is a compromise. Sloppy control mechanisms are a bane of tailwheel geared airplanes. Make them as tight and free of play as possible. Over-control is bad as well, and can be from either of two sources...pilot over-reaction or too-fast geometry...that is, a slight touch on the rudder pedal moves the steerable tailwheel too far...slow it up. The tailwheel should be "geared" slower than the rudder too...so it doesn't move through as many degrees as the rudder with equal rudder pedal movement. Not enough rudder displacement vs tailwheel displacement...that rudder and vertical tail have to assume directional control sometime, and it better be before the tailwheel lifts. There are many other items. These are those which have most helped me tame model tailwheel airplanes. My $.02... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 06:03:35 -0500 (EST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Kevin Subject: Re: KR> toe in or out - sorta long Message-ID: <1449077.1048946616323.JavaMail.nobody@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> I must agree with most of this. I still don't agree with toe in, but do agree with getting the main gear as close to the center of gravity as you dare. The Kolb ultralights appear to have the gear as far aft as I have ever seen and they do well with it. Great post Lloyd! Kevin. -------Original Message------- From: lloyd schultz Sent: 03/28/03 10:17 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> toe in or out - sorta long > > This subject seems to come up on many forums, and usually gets a lot of comments, many of which disagree. Mine won't be any better. I haven't built a full-scale airplane and am nothing but the rankest of amatuers. I HAVE however, flown many tailwheel airplanes, including a handful of those that are supposed to need Steve Canyon to control, and I've built over 100 radio control model airplanes with tailwheel landing gear, and have learned a number of things that help keep them going straighter than if I'd not used them. The reason for this post is to say that of all those things, I consider toe-in, toe-out or straight-ahead just about the least important of all. To wit, it is common to accidentally land models a little long and run off the far end of the runway, into a heavy weed or post, etc., and in the altercation, bend the main landing gear. So you bend it back well enough to fly the rest of the day and FIX it when you get home. Point is, I've had many which tracked straight quite easily after I dutifully made sure the gear had a little toe-in, but with ugly amounts of TOE-OUT after the altercation, I COULDN'T TELL ANY DIFFERENCE. On the other hand, locating the main gear as near the CG, but forward of it, as you have guts to do (the closer it is, the easier the airplane noses over, especially when brakes are applied on a full-scale airplane...can you say, Cessna 120?). The closer the mains are to the CG, the easier the thing is to track straight. Hard-sprung main gear with the softest-sprung tail that won't bottom is also a help...as the mains jounce, they contact the ground less percent of the time, while the soft-sprung tailwheel has much better purchase than a hard-sprung tailwheel. The mains still have far more overall purchase, so the tailwheel still is the end that wants to go to the front, but hard mains and a soft tail sure help. The larger the tailwheel, the larger its tire patch, and the better its purchase. The gear lengths, mains vs tailwheel, determine the angle of attack (or angle of incidence) the wing "sees" during 3-point rolling, and the more severe this is, the more squirrelly it can be, but not always. Likewise, the less this AOA, the less drag you have on rollout, and the more braking needed to stop as quick. Life is a compromise. Sloppy control mechanisms are a bane of tailwheel geared airplanes. Make them as tight and free of play as possible. Over-control is bad as well, and can be from either of two sources...pilot over-reaction or too-fast geometry...that is, a slight touch on the rudder pedal moves the steerable tailwheel too far...slow it up. The tailwheel should be "geared" slower than the rudder too...so it doesn't move through as many degrees as the rudder with equal rudder pedal movement. Not enough rudder displacement vs tailwheel displacement...that rudder and vertical tail have to assume directional control sometime, and it better be before the tailwheel lifts. There are many other items. These are those which have most helped me tame model tailwheel airplanes. My $.02... --------------------------------------------------------------------- For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 23:08:44 -0800 To: From: Subject: Homebuiltairplanes.com Message-ID: <000001c2f5c2$09c19fa0$b8137144@superfreak> I just wanted to let you all know about a relatively new website dedicated to homebuilding. Some of you may have already seen it but I'll throw it out there anyway. It's a forum of around 330 members and growing and it's got a lot of neat features that make communicating easy. Each member can post links in the links directory, create a photo album of their own, post pictures in actual messages, and quite a bit more. It is in no way designed to take the place of mail lists like KR Net, only to give a place for builders to share information, regardless of aircraft type. Anyway, if you get a chance, come check it out. I've put the link below. Thanks. Jake http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 01:37:45 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org, ron@jrl-engineering.com From: David Hartz Subject: Re: KR> VW Engines, Hapi varient Message-ID: <20030329093745.61141.qmail@web41313.mail.yahoo.com> RON IS THAT A HAPPI SET UP? I HAVE A COUPLE OF HAPPI MANUALS THAT WERE SENT TO ME WHEN I PUT OUT THE WORD.IF YOU WANT A COPY,LET ME KNOW,IT MIGHT HELP? DAVE --- Ron Eason wrote: > I am beginning work on modifing my turbo 1835 Hapi > VW engine. The engine has a Slick Magneto as first > ignition and a electronic ingnition system for the > second system. My questions are follows. > > Not having any manufacturing information about the > electronic system, I would like to identify the > manufacture for spare parts purposes. > > What kind of distribution sensor is used? A > distributor sensor > [without points] senses timing and is wired to 2 > orange colored coils. > 1 coil fires the front cylenders and one fires the > rear cylinders according to the wiring diagram. > Can anyone help me identify the spec's on this > system? I want to intergrate these systems into my > engine electronic management system. > > KRRon > > -- > Ronald R. Eason Sr. > Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office > J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. > 816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO. > Jim Eason V.P, 770-446-1291, Atlanta, Georgia > Web Page: www.jrl-engineering.com > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and > unsubscribe info, visit > http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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