Received: from [206.142.247.18] by bou2100 (ArGoSoft Mail Server Freeware, Version 1.70 (1.7.0.3)); Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:05:45 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lizard.esosoft.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 198PTQ-000IEx-04 for lists@bouyea.net; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:00:04 -0700 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============85204042104570621==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: krnet-request@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 14, Issue 1 To: krnet@mylist.net X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Sender: krnet-bounces+lists=bouyea.net@mylist.net Errors-To: krnet-bounces+lists=bouyea.net@mylist.net Message-Id: Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:00:04 -0700 --===============85204042104570621== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: KRnet Digest, Vol 14, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." --===============85204042104570621== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Today's Topics (18 messages) Today's Topics: 1. fuel tank float and stick grip (ROBERT COOPER) 2. Re: Engine Conversions 3. Go Nav GPS?? (Dan Heath) 4. Re: fuel tank float and stick grip (larry severson) 5. Re: Heat Muffs (Rick Wilson) 6. Re: Heat Muffs (Timothy Bellville) 7. Grove Landing Gear and the AS5048 Wing (bwunder) 8. Re: Heat Muffs (Dan Heath) 9. Re: Heat Muffs (Dan Heath) 10. Re: Heat Muffs (Ron Eason) 11. Re: Grove Landing Gear and the AS5048 Wing 12. Glass cockpit (Dana Overall) 13. header intact (vincent chrisovergis) 14. Re: quantity indicator systems. 15. Re: Glass cockpit (cartera) 16. quantity indicator systems (Oscar Zuniga) 17. Re: Glass cockpit (Scott Stanton) 18. Re: Glass cockpit (Steven Eberhart) --===============85204042104570621== Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="===============5846087622276539==" MIME-Version: 1.0 --===============5846087622276539== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:49:48 -0400 From: "ROBERT COOPER" To: "krnet" Subject: KR>fuel tank float and stick grip Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1 Today I put together two pages on my website. First one shows how I = placed a fuel gauge float into a tank that did not have one. http://www.jackandsandycooper.com/tank.html Second one shows the walnut stick grip that I recently made. http://www.jackandsandycooper.com/grip.html Jack Cooper mailto:kr2cooper@msn.com http://www.jackandsandycooper.com/kr2 Fayetteville, NC. --===============5846087622276539== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:27:14 EDT From: Ronevogt@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Engine Conversions Message-ID: <3e.2e87586a.2bd6ffa2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 For the complete story on converting auto engines for aircraft use, refer to Richard Finch's book: "Converting Auto Engines for Experimental Aircaraft". However, I can abbreviate the book by saying that you have to adapt/build an engine mount, cooling, fuel sytem, electrical system and prop hub. Also, William Wyne publishes a manual on how to convert a Corvair engine for use in airplanes. They are probably the best/easiest to use in a KR. RV --===============5846087622276539== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:58:28 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: KR>Go Nav GPS?? Message-ID: <3EA5D724.000009.01256@dan> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 3 Has anyone used the GoNavGPS? If so, what do you think of it? =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From DanRH@alltel.net Tue Apr 22 13:56:27 2003 Received: from mta01.alltel.net ([166.102.165.143] helo=mta01-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1984oV-000CTC-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:56:27 -0700 Received: from dan ([151.213.95.229]) by mta01-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20030422205511.WHLR14880.mta01-srv.alltel.net@dan> for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:55:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3EA5D76D.00000D.01256@dan> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:59:41 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (1850894) From: "Dan Heath" X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: 3.0 X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: "krnet@mylist.net" Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Heat Muffs X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Does anyone know if there are any heat muffs available for a reasonable price? What about a Heat box? If so, where can they be purchased from? = =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From DanRH@alltel.net Tue Apr 22 14:05:37 2003 Received: from mta02.alltel.net ([166.102.165.144] helo=mta02-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1984xN-000CYR-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:05:37 -0700 Received: from dan ([151.213.95.229]) by mta02-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20030422210420.QBFQ14423.mta02-srv.alltel.net@dan> for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:04:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3EA5D990.00000F.01256@dan> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:08:49 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (1850894) From: "Dan Heath" References: <003201c308f2$97f612e0$90780c44@ok.cox.net> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: Subject: Re: KR>Engine Conversions Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: RE: what exactly is involved with converting an automobile engine to an aircraft engine=0D =0D For a VW:=0D =0D Be sure you have the right type of case - some manufacture of cases were = bad=0D Case savers=0D Preparation of the prop end bearing =0D Insure that you have a good crank - use only forged crank=0D Oil cooler=0D Distributor - remove and plug hole or add electronic ignition ( not requi= red )=0D Accessory case for alternator and magneto=0D Possibly adding dual plugs=0D =0D That is all I can think of right now.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From larry2@socal.rr.com Tue Apr 22 14:07:30 2003 Received: from orngca-mls02.socal.rr.com ([66.75.160.17]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1984zC-000CaZ-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:07:30 -0700 Received: from SteveCanyon.socal.rr.com (cpe-66-75-117-49.socal.rr.com [66.75.117.49]) by orngca-mls02.socal.rr.com (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h3ML3LY27730 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030422140523.00bc2f30@pop-server.socal.rr.com> X-Sender: larry2@pop-server.socal.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:06:10 -0700 To: KR builders and pilots From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR>quantity indicator systems. In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030421144338.00bcd420@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: At 10:29 AM 4/22/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Larry >The wings I got from Gene Byrd had no fuel indicating system. I cut a hole >in the top of the tank and placed a float inside the tank. I have pictures >of the process but have not put them on the website yet. I'll build a page >then let you know so you can see the process I used. reat! >Are you sure the tank >is not vented? It may have a vented cap. Definitely not vented!!! Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com --===============5846087622276539== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:18:47 -0700 From: larry severson To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>fuel tank float and stick grip Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030422141813.02ca1808@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4 fantastic pics. At 03:49 PM 4/22/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Today I put together two pages on my website. First one shows how I placed >a fuel gauge float into a tank that did not have one. >http://www.jackandsandycooper.com/tank.html >Second one shows the walnut stick grip that I recently made. >http://www.jackandsandycooper.com/grip.html Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com --===============5846087622276539== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:26:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Wilson To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Heat Muffs Message-ID: <20030423002618.87303.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3EA5D76D.00000D.01256@dan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5 Dan, AS&S has several designs available. Most of them are meant to be used with the Longeze and Varieze airplanes, but would work very well on just about anything. Look in the catalog and you'll find them there. Hope this helps, Rick Wilson. rwdw2002yahoo.com --- Dan Heath wrote: > Does anyone know if there are any heat muffs > available for a reasonable > price? What about a Heat box? If so, where can > they be purchased from? > > N64KR > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > > See you in Red Oak - 2003 > > See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the > pic > See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com --===============5846087622276539== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:25:34 -0400 From: "Timothy Bellville" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Heat Muffs Message-ID: <002401c3092e$dc396380$a860570c@default> References: <3EA5D76D.00000D.01256@dan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 Not to be a smart ass Dan, But why not make them? I have a very neat little set up on my KR that works perfectly. I'll try to up load a picture. and I use an Elision EFS2 carb mounted with the inlet facing forward and the "box" mounted to the carb. I didn't fabricate this box but I did copy it for my Sonerai and it worked fine. it's not the big problem that some people make it out to be, KR's are much easier to fit the system to them a Sonerai. I'm loving all this room in this Kr cowl. I also have a duel tuned exsuast system. Tim Bellville KR2 N7038V Toledo , Ohio----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 7:59 PM Subject: KR>Heat Muffs Does anyone know if there are any heat muffs available for a reasonable price? What about a Heat box? If so, where can they be purchased from? N64KR Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Red Oak - 2003 See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============5846087622276539== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:39:49 -0500 From: "bwunder" To: Subject: KR>Grove Landing Gear and the AS5048 Wing Message-ID: <004b01c30939$3c05ba20$bfe5150a@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 KR2 Builders, I just got my landing gear from Grove Aircraft and also bought their mounting brackets. When I put the mounting bracket up to the main center spar, I could immediately see a problem. Per the instructions supplied, the bolts to attach the bracket are to go thru the center of the spar caps. Needless to say, the AS5048 wing center spar is one inch taller than the plans KR2 and that made the landing bracket mounting plate too short, so there was no way to drill bolt holes thru it and the center of the spar cap. I called Grove and it looks like my best alternative is to open up the backside of the spar and insert vertical 2" x 1 7/8" pieces of wood between the spar caps that the bolts can go thru. In some ways this has some advantages. I will not be drilling through the spar caps and I can use a stronger wood than spruce which will be more crush resistant. Otherwise, Grove said they would have to design a new bracket and that would be a one-of-a-kind. The metal is laser cut, and they do a nice welding job. SO the lesson here is if you are going to use the new wing airfoil and buy your brackets from someone like Grove Aircraft, insert the additional wood pieces into the center spar before closing up with plywood. Bernie KR2S Builder Lexington Park, MD http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n2w6 --===============5846087622276539== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:57:03 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>Heat Muffs Message-ID: <3EA60F0F.000015.01256@dan> References: <002401c3092e$dc396380$a860570c@default> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 8 Thanks, I would like to see them. Did you have to do any welding? =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From BABYWOLF@aol.com Tue Apr 22 17:55:05 2003 Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.163]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1988XR-000Dvh-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:55:05 -0700 Received: from BABYWOLF@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.22.) id g.60.30094809 (3657) for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:53:41 -0400 (EDT) From: BABYWOLF@aol.com Message-ID: <60.30094809.2bd73e15@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:53:41 EDT Subject: Re: KR>Grove Landing Gear and the AS5048 Wing To: krnet@mylist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: ARE YOU USING GROVE FOR A TAIL DRAGGER OR A TRI GEAR? --===============5846087622276539== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 21:00:14 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>Heat Muffs Message-ID: <3EA60FCE.000017.01256@dan> References: <20030423002618.87303.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 9 RE: AS&S has several designs available=0D =0D Thanks, but that is why I said "reasonable price". I think they are very expensive for something that is easy to make, given the materials and ski= lls to weld aluminum. They can be produced in bulk and many can be sold. I guess it is just the old TORT thing.=0D =0D I would make them, but I can't weld and good welders are hard to find. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From flykr2s@wi.rr.com Tue Apr 22 18:23:48 2003 Received: from fe7.rdc-kc.rr.com ([24.94.162.160] helo=mail7.wi.rr.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1988zE-000E6P-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:23:48 -0700 Received: from mark ([65.31.82.31]) by mail7.wi.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75);Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:21:49 -0500 Message-ID: <005501c30937$1de05c00$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" References: <20030423002618.87303.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com> <3EA60FCE.000017.01256@dan> Subject: Re: KR>Heat Muffs Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:24:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Heat muffs are expensive and not worth what they cost. I saw an independent dealer at Oshkosh last summer selling them for $75 and up. Outrageous in my opinion. Heat muffs can be bent on a small bench top brake and pop riveted together if you are not a welder. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" RE: AS&S has several designs available Thanks, but that is why I said "reasonable price". I would make them, but I can't weld and good welders are hard to find. --===============5846087622276539== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:51:30 -0500 From: "Ron Eason" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Heat Muffs Message-ID: <00b301c3093a$dc7fc4e0$6501a8c0@Administration> References: <20030423002618.87303.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com><3EA60FCE.000017.01256@dan> <005501c30937$1de05c00$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 For those that can't weld you may want to braze using IDEAL Industrial Supplies 3-4-1 rod and a propane torch. You can see it demo'ed at EAA Oshkosh Fly-in. I have used it and it works. Its a aluminum alloy which melts a just below aluminum melting temperatures [ kinda like soldering ] it very strong stuff. Phone 206-352-3471 or 3039, 1 lb of rod is $35.00, they sell torches also. It's a alternative to TIG. You must follow directions. KRRon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:24 PM Subject: Re: KR>Heat Muffs > Heat muffs are expensive and not worth what they cost. I saw an independent > dealer at Oshkosh last summer selling them for $75 and up. Outrageous in my > opinion. Heat muffs can be bent on a small bench top brake and pop riveted > together if you are not a welder. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Heath" > > RE: AS&S has several designs available > > Thanks, but that is why I said "reasonable price". > I would make them, but I can't weld and good welders are hard to find. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > --===============5846087622276539== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 05:59:54 +0000 From: smj717@attbi.com To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Grove Landing Gear and the AS5048 Wing Message-ID: Precedence: list Message: 11 Does the groove gear brakcet work with the main center spar from the plans, i am going to wait before i buy my landing gear. Also whats the prop clearance with the Groove landing gear compared to the diehl gear. N717CM California KR2S > KR2 Builders, > I just got my landing gear from Grove Aircraft and also bought their > mounting brackets. When I put the mounting bracket up to the main center > spar, I could immediately see a problem. Per the instructions supplied, the > bolts to attach the bracket are to go thru the center of the spar caps. > Needless to say, the AS5048 wing center spar is one inch taller than the > plans KR2 and that made the landing bracket mounting plate too short, so > there was no way to drill bolt holes thru it and the center of the spar cap. > I called Grove and it looks like my best alternative is to open up the > backside of the spar and insert vertical 2" x 1 7/8" pieces of wood between > the spar caps that the bolts can go thru. In some ways this has some > advantages. I will not be drilling through the spar caps and I can use a > stronger wood than spruce which will be more crush resistant. Otherwise, > Grove said they would have to design a new bracket and that would be a > one-of-a-kind. The metal is laser cut, and they do a nice welding job. SO > the lesson here is if you are going to use the new wing airfoil and buy your > brackets from someone like Grove Aircraft, insert the additional wood pieces > into the center spar before closing up with plywood. > Bernie > KR2S Builder > Lexington Park, MD > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n2w6 > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============5846087622276539== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 07:05:55 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Glass cockpit Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 12 Dynon Development is a company a host of experimental airplane building groups have been following for the last year and half. This company made a point of not supplying the instrument until THEY had done the beta testing, not the end users. This post is off the RVlist and is from a very critical poster. Before you say the $1995.00 price is too much, look at the instruments it replaces and look at the weight reductions, which is very critical on a KR. >>>I just wanted to let everyone know the Dynon is flying. I have had it installed for 4 weeks now and absolutely love it! The attitude indication is so accurate that it is hard to believe. I replaced a vacuum pump, attitude and directional gyro and VSI with the Dynon, leaving the airspeed and altimeter in the panel as backup. I have taken the Dynon out on many flights simply to see at what point it will loose attitude reference. Well, I am still waiting. Fact is, I have been unable to upset it, no matter what I do. I am not talking about the occasional light roll. I am talking about every aerobatic maneuver me and my plane do, one after another after another non stop for 15 minutes. 4g pulls, triple rolls, hammer heads, loops, Cuban eight's etc...... And for those that think a light standard rate turn is the real test, give me a break! If anyone has dealt with a manufacturer of an AHRS system that couldn't hold a standard rate turn, they shouldn't walk away from that manufacturer, THEY SHOULD RUN! I am here to tell you, the DYNON unit is the real deal. I have tested this sucker non-stop standard rate turn for 2520 degrees or seven 360 degree turns, then switched direction for an additional 4-360 degree standard rate turns. Not once has the Dynon shown any ill effects. I have been with it cross country for 30 hours, in and out of the soup flying IFR quite often, and the Dynon is extremely able. Here is what I got for my $2000. Glass Artificial Horizon Glass Airspeed Glass Altimeter Glass VSI Glass G-Meter Glass Heading Gyro Glass Turn and Bank Glass Clock Glass Timer Glass Volt Meter Altitude Encoder No Vacuum pump kit Add it up and the $2000 price tag is an incredible deal. All of this packaged in a nice size screen with a unit that will slip into a standard 3-1/8" hole. The people at Dynon are great to work with and are currently correcting small software bugs as more and more units get into the air. Things like, keep alive power not storing some screen presentations correctly. Or the clock time is reset without a backup internal battery. (Small stuff that has already been fixed with software updates) I don't have an affiliation with the company, just an extremely happy customer, glad to pass on the news that $6000 is way to much for this type of unit, unlike what the other manufacturers will lead you to believe.<<< Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive >From: "Mark Jones" >Reply-To: KR builders and pilots >To: "KR builders and pilots" >Subject: Re: KR>Heat Muffs >Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:24:42 -0500 > >Heat muffs are expensive and not worth what they cost. I saw an independent >dealer at Oshkosh last summer selling them for $75 and up. Outrageous in my >opinion. Heat muffs can be bent on a small bench top brake and pop riveted >together if you are not a welder. > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) >Wales, WI USA >E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com >Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dan Heath" > >RE: AS&S has several designs available > >Thanks, but that is why I said "reasonable price". >I would make them, but I can't weld and good welders are hard to find. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --===============5846087622276539== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 05:21:31 -0700 (PDT) From: vincent chrisovergis To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>header intact Message-ID: <20030423122131.39172.qmail@web11207.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 13 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com --===============5846087622276539== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:23:07 -0400 From: virgnvs@juno.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>quantity indicator systems. Message-ID: <20030423.105831.-455727.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 Float level tube from top of wing with indicator inside tube. Some drag penalty, Virg On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 08:34:04 -0600 (Mountain Daylight Time) "gleone" writes: > He could probably require contact Grumman and ask for the details. > My Tr-2 > used sight gages but how they got it to read is a mystery to me. > They > worked very well, though. > > -------Original Message------- > > From: KR builders and pilots > Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:02:47 AM > To: KR builders and pilots > Subject: Re:KR>quantity indicator systems. > > Chuck, > To the best of my knowledge a sight gauge is a see-thru glass or > plastic tube that must be mounted at the same height as the gas tank > because > the level of fuel it shows is the same as the level in the tank. > I am curious to know how you are going to make this work in wing > tanks? > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx > rstosne4@hot.rr.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 10:55 PM > Subject: Re: KR>quantity indicator systems. > > > > Larry, > > Have you thought of using a sight tube like the one for the header > tank? > > I use to fly an American Yankee and it had wing tanks and it used > sight > tubes > > as fuel gauges. I'm planning on having wing tanks w/o a header > tank and > > that's the method I plan to use. I'm also open to other > suggestions. > > > > Chuck Wyatt > > Tehuacana, Texas > > crkr2s@aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury Amsoil www.lubedealer.com/salisbury --===============5846087622276539== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:00:24 -0600 From: cartera To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Glass cockpit Message-ID: <3EA6D4B8.80702F79@cuug.ab.ca> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15 Hi Dana & Gang, Would be nice to have an URL to be able to read up on the specs, but again we don't make this high accountant salary and sometimes needle, ball and airspeed is all that is affordable. ;) Take Care! Thank You Sir!!!! Dana Overall wrote: > > Dynon Development is a company a host of experimental airplane building > groups have been following for the last year and half. This company made a > point of not supplying the instrument until THEY had done the beta testing, > not the end users. Adrian VE6AFY Calgary, Alberta Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera --===============5846087622276539== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:09:37 -0500 From: "Oscar Zuniga" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>quantity indicator systems Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 16 There were several simple, light, and effective ideas mentioned for gauging fuel quantity in the wing tanks, but not the equally simple and light one that Mike Mims offered. It's at http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/gauge.jpg It uses pieces of clear rod, different lengths, to indicate fuel quantity. My coffee maker at home uses this same method to show amount of water in the reservoir. PS- don't use this method if you plan to fly at night ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --===============5846087622276539== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:10:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Stanton To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Glass cockpit Message-ID: <20030423181031.71713.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3EA6D4B8.80702F79@cuug.ab.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 17 Try http://www.dynondevelopment.com/ It does look like a nifty system. Better have a redundant electrical. Scott Stanton Raleigh NC --- cartera wrote: > Hi Dana & Gang, > Would be nice to have an URL to be able to read up > on the specs, > but again we don't make this high accountant salary > and sometimes > needle, ball and airspeed is all that is affordable. > ;) > Take Care! Thank You Sir!!!! > > Dana Overall wrote: > > > > Dynon Development is a company a host of > experimental airplane building > > groups have been following for the last year and > half. This company made a > > point of not supplying the instrument until THEY > had done the beta testing, > > not the end users. > Adrian VE6AFY > Calgary, Alberta > Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca > http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ===== -- Scott Stanton Raleigh, NC __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com --===============5846087622276539== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:19:59 -0500 From: Steven Eberhart To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Glass cockpit Message-ID: <3EA6D94F.9060504@newtech.com> References: <20030423181031.71713.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18 Two hour battery backup is an option. Of course the actual horizon is the ultimate backup :-) Steve Eberhart Just a whole bunch of aluminum out in the garage that will eventually have the tail number N14SE and go real fast Scott Stanton wrote: > Try http://www.dynondevelopment.com/ > > It does look like a nifty system. Better have a > redundant electrical. > > Scott Stanton > Raleigh NC > > --- cartera wrote: > >>Hi Dana & Gang, >>Would be nice to have an URL to be able to read up >>on the specs, >>but again we don't make this high accountant salary >>and sometimes >>needle, ball and airspeed is all that is affordable. >>;) >>Take Care! Thank You Sir!!!! >> >>Dana Overall wrote: >> >>>Dynon Development is a company a host of >>> >>experimental airplane building >> >>>groups have been following for the last year and >>> >>half. This company made a >> >>>point of not supplying the instrument until THEY >>> >>had done the beta testing, >> >>>not the end users. >>> >>Adrian VE6AFY >>Calgary, Alberta >>Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca >>http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera >> >>_______________________________________________ >>see KRnet list details at >> > http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > ===== > -- > Scott Stanton > Raleigh, NC > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. 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