Received: from [66.113.66.18] by bou2100 (ArGoSoft Mail Server Freeware, Version 1.70 (1.7.0.3)); Sat, 26 Apr 2003 12:07:47 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lizard.esosoft.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 199Uu2-0006yg-00; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 12:00:02 -0700 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============63642999495008667==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: krnet-request@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 17, Issue 1 To: krnet@mylist.net X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Sender: krnet-bounces@mylist.net Errors-To: krnet-bounces@mylist.net Message-Id: Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 12:00:02 -0700 --===============63642999495008667== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: KRnet Digest, Vol 17, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." --===============63642999495008667== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Today's Topics (12 messages) Today's Topics: 1. VW engine URL (Phil Matheson) 2. Re: KR engines/ VW (Phil Matheson) 3. Re: Request your opinions. (Brian Kraut) 4. Re: Re: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-IFR etc.-Long (Brian Kraut) 5. Re: Retracts for sale(props) 6. Re: Retracts for sale (Paul Gangemi) 7. Re: Forward Deck (Dan Heath) 8. Re: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-vacum source........ (KRJerry) 9. Turbocharging VW Engines (Robin Wills) 10. KR2 Crash in Australia (Phil Matheson) 11. Re: Artical on KR crash in Australia (Mark Jones) 12. RE: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-vacum source........ (Ron Freiberger) --===============63642999495008667== Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="===============98431964792489879==" MIME-Version: 1.0 --===============98431964792489879== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 07:01:56 +1000 From: "Phil Matheson" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>VW engine URL Message-ID: <002001c30b6d$e9cddf30$f797dccb@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1 Thanks for the replies, Sorry but try this. http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ It seems to be OK . Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au See our VW Engines and Home built web page at www.vw-engines,com www.homebuilt-aviation.com/From matheson@dodo.com.au Fri Apr 25 14:04:14 2003 Received: from msv02-kent-syd.comindico.com.au ([203.194.29.48]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 199AMf-0008Iq-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:04:13 -0700 Received: from Office (dialup-247.151.220.203.acc01-rail-gri.comindico.com.au [203.220.151.247]) by msv02-kent-syd.comindico.com.au (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h3PL2uC08566;Sat, 26 Apr 2003 07:02:57 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <002301c30b6e$0ddb2680$f797dccb@Office> From: "Phil Matheson" To: , "KR builders and pilots" References: Subject: Re: KR>KR engines/ VW Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 07:02:58 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Sorry. Try this Ron. http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au See our VW Engines and Home built web page at www.vw-engines,com www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ --===============98431964792489879== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 07:04:35 +1000 From: "Phil Matheson" To: , "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>KR engines/ VW Message-ID: <002801c30b6e$47bf3fd0$f797dccb@Office> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Sorry Willam Try this http://www.vw-engines.com/ Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ --===============98431964792489879== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:18:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Kraut To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Request your opinions. Message-ID: <2647927.1051305145834.JavaMail.nobody@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 One opinion I would have on instruments is to not buy any yet. you probably won't need them for a year or two at least and you will be able to get a lot more for your money if you wait. -------Original Message------- From: Mark Youkey Sent: 04/24/03 06:43 PM To: KR Subject: KR>Request your opinions. > > It seems as if most of the posters out there have a great deal more experience than I do, so I'd like to present my current thoughts, and see what you have to say. This is a bit windy, so if you don't want to feel like giving me any advice, it is probably a waste of your time to continue reading. The wood for my airplane arrived in OKC today, but at the house tomorrow at 1:00...So I'm excited. I'm looking for canopies, engines, gear, and instruments. I've read that fixed KR gear with good wheel pants feels as aerodynamic as retracts...so if that is the case, I'll probably just build fixed gear, for ease of building, and no chance of a gear up landing. My Uncle had one of those in his KR, with damage only to the prop, since the wheels stick down a bit when they are retracted. I'm not sold on a particular engine yet, but I'm thinking about perhaps using a Mazda 13B rotary engine, since the rotary engine seems to be relatively light by the nature of the engine--less parts, more hollow areas of the engine...but the same horsepower. I'm also looking at the rpm where the most horsepower is developed. I think I want it lowest possible, so I am using the meat of the engine during cruise, and I don't have to listen to a wrapped up engine during that time. One of the canopies I'm looking at is at http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/cabin-xl.html I'm interested in that so I can see behind me, and it's available tinted. I'm not sure tinted is the way to go, because it would make night flying more difficult, but it seems to work in cars. Another route would be to get it clear and tint the back 1/2 or something. I suppose that needs to be thought through before I spend money on it. The Zenith canopies are designed to be 44" wide, and I'm not sure how much I can deform them without distorting the visibility. I talked to the manufacturer and they said the canopies are pretty flimsy before they are set in a frame, so I should be able to tweak it a few inches, at least. Gear...I'm putting tricycle gear on, although I haven't seen plans that include that yet....just lots of working models. I haven't really shopped for it...just got a catalog from grove. I suppose I need to decide that pretty soon, since I am planning on using AS5048 wings, and Bernie ran into a problem or two. Another thing I'm working on is designing some independantly adjustable rudder pedals that don't weigh a bunch. My legs are a lot longer than Wilette's and I want us both to be able to be comfortable at the same time. I usually use the furthest back position on most cars I drive, so I'll probably make whatever that measurement as the furthest my rudder pedals are away, then I'll see how much play I have to make the pedals adjustable, and then max out the adjustability. Instruments...Through my studies in college, I'm sold on solid state electronics...I trust them more than I trust gyros. I was going to make several digital instruments on my own (CG calculator, using strain gauges on the gear, temp gauges, and whatever else I can conjur up)... So, I'm not adverse to using an EFIS-type system as my primary (and only in some cases) instruments. I'm not sure what the rules for international flight are for sure (probably depends on what country you are in, and if you happen to be bombing that country at the time), but that is the main reason I want the airplane set up for IFR... (Not that I plan on flying in any country we are bombing----in a KR, at least) So, am I on the right track? Thanks for the input. Mark Youkey myoukey@cox.net Okalhoma City _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > --===============98431964792489879== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:22:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Kraut To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: Re: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-IFR etc.-Long Message-ID: <7368380.1051305366260.JavaMail.nobody@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 I did buy a casting from Dan Diehl to mount a vacuum pump on the VW. He sold them a long time ago and had one left that he gave me a good price on. I am not sure that I will use it though. If I do go IFR I will look at a venturi, all electric, or something like the EFIS systems and figure out which is best. -------Original Message------- From: Dan Heath Sent: 04/25/03 12:06 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-IFR etc.-Long > > RE: If I can keep the sunny side up and the nose pointed in the right direction fairly easily I will get the vacuum instruments to make it IFR. No flame here. I think your approach is good. I used to think that way too I will tell you, I had an electric turn coordinator and it, and a friend on the radio, saved my life. If you do pass the test and continue on toward IFR, you will have to get over the problem of getting an air supply system. You may want to consider an aircraft engine for this purpose. I have never figured out how to put an air pump for vacuum instruments, on a VW engine. However, I am sure it can be done. Good building and good luck. N64KR Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Red Oak - 2003 See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > --===============98431964792489879== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:23:17 EDT From: Flymaca711689@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Retracts for sale(props) Message-ID: <1de.7935dd5.2bdb0145@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 i still have a new prop 30hrs $100.00 off $275.00. props are expensive you will find no freebies in Kr land 52x 46 props inc. mahogany . billy mcfarland n1055a flymaca711689@aol.com --===============98431964792489879== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:47:06 -0400 (EDT) From: paulwasp@webtv.net (Paul Gangemi) To: krnet@mylist.net (KR builders and pilots) Subject: Re: KR>Retracts for sale Message-ID: <22541-3EA9ACDA-1904@storefull-2198.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Peg and Mike Meyer" 's message of Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:47:15 -0500 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Precedence: list Message: 6 Sorry about that. Good luck with your engine. Paul http://community.webtv.net/paulwasp/paulwaspspad --===============98431964792489879== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:56:43 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>Forward Deck Message-ID: <3EA9D94B.000010.01472@dan> References: <001f01c30b8b$b6c32d70$83d81818@computer> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 7 Justin,=0D =0D If these are the cross members that the engine mounts to, replace the woo= d. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From flesner@midwest.net Fri Apr 25 18:38:40 2003 Received: from epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.181]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 199EeG-0000pu-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 18:38:40 -0700 Received: from dsc03-cir-oh-6-24.rasserver.net ([204.32.76.24] helo=larry-flesner) by epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 199Ee5-00034v-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 18:38:30 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20030425203623.007b2cf0@pop.midwest.net> X-Sender: flesner@pop.midwest.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 20:36:23 -0500 To: KR builders and pilots From: larry flesner In-Reply-To: <001401c30b8b$1effdbf0$83d81818@computer> References: <00b401c30b1e$3c60b100$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: KR>:Canopy X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: A Pulsar canopy might be another good option, but I'm sure you'd have to cut >on it too. >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > What is a gull wing?I see the e-mail but what is different about it >compared to what you have? Justin ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= Justin, Go to the KRnet.org web site, look under my name, (last one under projects) and you will see a "gullwing door". I chose to go with a single gullwing that opens up 60 percent of the top rather than two doors which would have been a bit small. Also, with a single door I can help my passanger in and out so they don't destroy my wing. The passanger side panel is removable for maintenance and also serves as an emergency exit. My fixed windshield is the forward portion of a broken Pulsar canopy. It fit very nicely on a standard width KR2 and I'm sure it could be widened a bit. I chose to go vertical for a bit above my top longerons to give myself more headroom. I had to do some trimming around the front edge and did a foam build-up from the top longerons to meet the bottom of the glass but again, I raised mine for headroom. I'm 6' 4" tall. I used a standard KR "half bubble" for the glass in the gullwing door and the passanger side panel. I lucked out in that they were both tinted the same color. I got the broken Pulsar canopy as a "gift". Some days you just get lucky! Larry Flesner In the priming stage, placing decals on the panel, and hope to be flying this summer. --===============98431964792489879== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 22:49:35 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "KRJerry" To: Subject: Re: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-vacum source........ Message-ID: <3EAA1DEF.000001.01780@oldmerlin> References: <6159548.1051222252485.JavaMail.nobody@grover.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 8 Netters.........=0D =0D Have any of you guys looked at drawing a vacum from your exhaust.....?=0D =0D After the Wannabee gets into the air we are going to look into it again. = We have both considered it before on other planes..............=0D =0D =0D N64KR=0D Jerry Mahurin=0D Lugoff, SC=0D KRJerry@bellsouth.net=0D http://kr-builder.org=0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Thursday, April 24, 2003 03:13:12 PM=0D To: KR builders and pilots=0D Subject: Re: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-IFR etc.-Long=0D =0D I have heard several opinions on IFR in a KR ranging from it can be done = but is a lot of work all the way to you will die if you even attemp it. I hav= en t flown mine yet so my opinion is worth what you paid for it, but here it= is =0D =0D The first thing I bought to add to my KR after I got it was a turn coordinator. I consider this instrument mandatory in any plane that has n= o other gyro instruments. Simply put, when you accidently get stuck in the soup one day the TC and your previous practice under the hood with it wil= l probably save your life. Keeping the sunny side up without it or any othe= r gyro instruments is a toss of the dice at best. With just the TC and part= ial panel training from an instructor you have a very good chance of seeing tomorrow.=0D =0D I left holes in my panel for an attitude indicator and heading indicator, but am holding off on the vacuum pump and instruments right now. After I = get some time in the plane I will see how easy it is to fly under the hood wi= th just the TC. If I can keep the sunny side up and the nose pointed in the right direction fairly easily I will get the vacuum instruments to make i= t IFR. If I can't comfortably fly it partial panel then I won't bother maki= ng it IFR.=0D =0D Before I get flamed, I realize that the KR is not an IFR cross country pl= ane I would only want it IFR for getting up and down through cloud layers, e= tc.=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D From: Dana Overall =0D Sent: 04/24/03 05:12 PM=0D To: krnet@mylist.net=0D Subject: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-IFR etc.-Long=0D =0D > =0D > I did leave one "opinion" (there we go again, everybody has one) concerning =0D =0D the post about the IFR........I wouldn't build a KR with hard IFR in mind= =2E =0D =0D =0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2E=20From wkirkland@rogers.com Fri Apr 25 21:33:47 2003 Received: from fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com ([66.185.86.71]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 199HNj-00022d-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 21:33:47 -0700 Received: from wKirkland.lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com ([24.42.148.235]) by fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with ESMTPid <20030426043342.IEEQ17605.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@wKirkland.lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 00:33:42 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c30bad$07b11780$eb942a18@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> From: "bill kirkland" To: "KR builders and pilots" References: <7368380.1051305366260.JavaMail.nobody@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Re: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-IFR etc.-Long Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 00:33:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [24.42.148.235] using ID at Sat, 26 Apr 2003 00:33:42 -0400 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Brian; Venturi's are not suited for IFR as they will quickly ice up in adverse conditions. Also they create drag. I have two on my 150! W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 2:22 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-IFR etc.-Long > I did buy a casting from Dan Diehl to mount a vacuum pump on the VW. He sold them a long time ago and had one left that he gave me a good price on. I am not sure that I will use it though. If I do go IFR I will look at a venturi, all electric, or something like the EFIS systems and figure out which is best. > > -------Original Message------- > From: Dan Heath > Sent: 04/25/03 12:06 AM > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: Re: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-IFR etc.-Long > > > > > RE: If I can keep the sunny side up and the nose pointed in the right > direction fairly easily I will get the vacuum instruments to make it IFR. > > > > No flame here. I think your approach is good. I used to think that way > too > I will tell you, I had an electric turn coordinator and it, and a friend > on the radio, saved my life. > > > > If you do pass the test and continue on toward IFR, you will have to get > over the problem of getting an air supply system. You may want to > consider > an aircraft engine for this purpose. I have never figured out how to put > an > air pump for vacuum instruments, on a VW engine. However, I am sure it > can > be done. > > > > Good building and good luck. > > > > N64KR > > > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > > > > See you in Red Oak - 2003 > > > > See our KR at href="http://KR-Builder.org">http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic > > See our EAA Chapter 242 at href="http://EAA242.org">http://EAA242.org > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at href="http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html">http://www.krnet.org/instructi ons.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============98431964792489879== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 15:13:24 +1000 From: "Robin Wills" To: Subject: KR>Turbocharging VW Engines Message-ID: <001601c30bb2$9121c6e0$256486cb@x4v2z3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 9 Good morning all.. Again I am forced to ask assistance from those who know much more than = I. :-) Due to the loonnggggg distances involved in flying anywhere in = Australia, like RAAF Richmond to see the folks in Brisbane is 1000Kms = with the need to fly high, I am researching the Turbo side of things = now. I have gone over the archives, old KR Newsletters, and web searches, but = have not been able to locate a source of complete, turbocharged VW = engines, other than Revmaster. With a price tag of $8500 USD or almost $13,000 AUD, this is quite = pricey. I have read of others turbocharging their engines as a one off = project, but have not been able to find too much information, other than = the excellent series of articles from Dan Diehl in the early = newsletters, as to exactly how one goes about turbocharging their = engine. If anyone has information of a supplier of a Turbo-VW Engine in = Australia, or other than Revmaster internationally, it would be = appreciated, similarly if someone could point me to a website, or = company that describes how to turbocharge it would be great. Also after noticing the recent discussions on the Glass cockpit setups, = I am throwing in my two cents worth...http://www.grtavionics.com is = another setup. Although its not the one I plan on using, it might help = some folks.(my selection is the PCFlightSystems EPanel)=20 The GRT setup uses 1 MFD to display PFD, Engine Stats and Trend = monitoring, and NAV/GPS information, with the option to interlink 2 or = more displays.=20 Kind Regards from Aus. Robin Wills Queensland Australia --===============98431964792489879== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:20:55 +1000 From: "Phil Matheson" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>KR2 Crash in Australia Message-ID: <000a01c30bcc$c3bfd9b0$4a97dccb@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 10 I'm sorry to say that a KR2 crashed today in Australia,=20 Killing a very experienced pilot, I have just seen it on the national = News. It looked like a KR2S, but I will post more details has they come to = hand. They said the pilot had only just purchased the completed aircraft. A sad day. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/From matheson@dodo.com.au Sat Apr 26 02:48:56 2003 Received: from msv02-kent-syd.comindico.com.au ([203.194.29.48]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 199MIh-00038O-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 02:48:55 -0700 Received: from Office (dialup-176.150.220.203.acc01-rail-gri.comindico.com.au [203.220.150.176]) by msv02-kent-syd.comindico.com.au (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h3Q9mrC19147 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 19:48:53 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <00a001c30bd9$0e1c72a0$4a97dccb@Office> From: "Phil Matheson" To: "KRnet" Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 19:48:55 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Artical on KR crash in Australia X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: The article in on the site below. http://www.news.com.au/ look down the right side. under lastest news Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/From bo124rs@hotmail.com Sat Apr 26 04:21:11 2003 Received: from f50.law10.hotmail.com ([64.4.15.50] helo=hotmail.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 199Njz-00049F-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 04:21:11 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 04:21:12 -0700 Received: from 152.163.189.129 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 11:21:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.189.129] X-Originating-Email: [bo124rs@hotmail.com] From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Bcc: Subject: Re: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-vacum source........ Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 07:21:11 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2003 11:21:12.0265 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1713390:01C30BE5] X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: It'll work on the intake side. Before I built up my VW2180 I talked a friend into nippling his dune buggy intake and placed a regulator between AH and the intake. It will spin up as long as you are not at full power. After startup, you vac. instruments will spin up as you taxi to takeoff but will lose airflow during your takeoff and climbout. I would believe the instruments would still be spinning fast enough though so as indicate properly. I wouldn't rely on this being IFR (but I still don't consider the KR to an IFR airplane in any shape or form) so this shouldn't be a problem. Changes your mixture setting a little but as long as you have mixture control it works. I don't know how many instruments you could run with it as I forget now the amount of pull you have to regulate......the number 6 sticks in my mind right now. The backup vac. system in my Bonanza is an STC'd systems that works exactly the same way. The documetation states to pull back the power so as to generate max vac differential to drive all the instruments. OH, but Jerry.........you ask about exhaust.............got me:-) Man, it sure seems like it would work though, doesn't it. Go nipple your lawn mower and see if it will pull 6":-) Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive >From: "KRJerry" >Reply-To: KR builders and pilots >To: >Subject: Re: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-vacum source........ >Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 22:49:35 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) > >Netters......... > >Have any of you guys looked at drawing a vacum from your exhaust.....? > >After the Wannabee gets into the air we are going to look into it again. >We >have both considered it before on other planes.............. > > >N64KR >Jerry Mahurin >Lugoff, SC >KRJerry@bellsouth.net >http://kr-builder.org > > >-------Original Message------- > >From: KR builders and pilots >Date: Thursday, April 24, 2003 03:13:12 PM >To: KR builders and pilots >Subject: Re: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-IFR etc.-Long > >I have heard several opinions on IFR in a KR ranging from it can be done >but >is a lot of work all the way to you will die if you even attemp it. I haven >t flown mine yet so my opinion is worth what you paid for it, but here it >is > > >The first thing I bought to add to my KR after I got it was a turn >coordinator. I consider this instrument mandatory in any plane that has no >other gyro instruments. Simply put, when you accidently get stuck in the >soup one day the TC and your previous practice under the hood with it will >probably save your life. Keeping the sunny side up without it or any other >gyro instruments is a toss of the dice at best. With just the TC and >partial >panel training from an instructor you have a very good chance of seeing >tomorrow. > >I left holes in my panel for an attitude indicator and heading indicator, >but am holding off on the vacuum pump and instruments right now. After I >get >some time in the plane I will see how easy it is to fly under the hood with >just the TC. If I can keep the sunny side up and the nose pointed in the >right direction fairly easily I will get the vacuum instruments to make it >IFR. If I can't comfortably fly it partial panel then I won't bother making >it IFR. > >Before I get flamed, I realize that the KR is not an IFR cross country >plane > I would only want it IFR for getting up and down through cloud layers, >etc. > >-------Original Message------- >From: Dana Overall >Sent: 04/24/03 05:12 PM >To: krnet@mylist.net >Subject: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-IFR etc.-Long > > > > > I did leave one "opinion" (there we go again, everybody has one) >concerning > >the post about the IFR........I wouldn't build a KR with hard IFR in mind. > > > >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html >. _______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --===============98431964792489879== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 07:09:46 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Artical on KR crash in Australia Message-ID: <000b01c30bec$baa3f300$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <00a001c30bd9$0e1c72a0$4a97dccb@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 Truly a sad day for this tragic event. Our hearts and prayers go out to this pilot and his loved ones. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Matheson" The article in on the site below. http://www.news.com.au/ look down the right side. under lastest news --===============98431964792489879== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 11:55:07 -0400 From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: RE: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-vacum source........ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 Also doesn't work well at altitude. By about 7,500, you're out of throttle and mainifold suction. Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com On Behalf Of Dana Overall It'll work on the intake side. 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