Received: from [66.113.66.18] by bou2100 (ArGoSoft Mail Server Freeware, Version 1.70 (1.7.0.3)); Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:08:21 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lizard.esosoft.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19ADr8-0000Ep-00; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:00:02 -0700 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============094251709123041927==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: krnet-request@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 19, Issue 1 To: krnet@mylist.net X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Sender: krnet-bounces@mylist.net Errors-To: krnet-bounces@mylist.net Message-Id: Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:00:02 -0700 --===============094251709123041927== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: KRnet Digest, Vol 19, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." --===============094251709123041927== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Today's Topics (14 messages) Today's Topics: 1. EGT probe threads and boss? (Mark Langford) 2. kr sale? (Dean Selby) 3. Smooth Prime Cross Linker (larry flesner) 4. Re: Smooth Prime Cross Linker (Dan Heath) 5. Re: EGT probe threads and boss? 6. RE: Glass cockpit (Deems Herring) 7. kr sale/liability (larry flesner) 8. Re: kr sale? (Paul Gangemi) 9. Re: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-vacum source........ (Scott Cable) 10. Re: kr sale/liability (Dana Overall) 11. Re: Glass cockpit-vacum source........ (gleone) 12. Vacuum Source (Colin) 13. Re: EGT probe threads and boss? (Mark Langford) 14. Re: Vacuum Source (Scott Cable) --===============094251709123041927== Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="===============78608679740687903==" MIME-Version: 1.0 --===============78608679740687903== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 15:30:31 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>EGT probe threads and boss? Message-ID: <009701c30cfb$d982f9f0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 NetHeads, Since I ordered my Engine Information System two years ago, things have changed a little. At the time, I ordered the "clamp on" type EGT probes, thinking it'd be easy to drill a hole in whatever exhaust system that I eventually ended up with. Now that I can actually weld (well, sortof), I'm going to swap my clamp-on EGT probes for the screw-in variety. EIS sells what they call the "standard Rotax compression fitting" probe, which I assume is some sort of NPT boss, or maybe 7/16-20. Anybody know for sure what size and type of thread that boss would need to be? And does anybody happen to know where I could buy a "weld-on" boss like that? On another note, the dual stick system is almost done, and I'll throw a web page out there when it's installed. I'm wiring up some engine stuff now, and finalizing the exhaust. I'm gettin' there... Thanks, Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --===============78608679740687903== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 18:17:28 -0500 From: "Dean Selby" To: Subject: KR>kr sale? Message-ID: <001901c30d13$2c9185a0$0100a8c0@dean> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 2 I need to sell my KR. Many of you know I have been talking about this = for some time but I need to let one of the hangers go. I would make someone = a good deal. I have also contemplated parting it out to try to eliminate liability concerns. Give me some input on or off the net and let me = know if you think thats better idea or if you would be interested in any of the = parts. Pics at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/dselby/ for those of you that don't = know the plane. I posted this before the list crashed but it wouldn't go through. Dean Selby dselby@frontiernet.net --===============78608679740687903== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 18:44:29 -0500 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Smooth Prime Cross Linker Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030427184429.007fe2d0@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <3EAC10FF.000003.01272@dan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3 >Well, I just got all set up to put on some more smooth prime and when I went >to pull out the cross linker, I discovered that it was one big lump. >Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ They will gladly send you more at no charge. It happened to me once also and they say they really don't know what causes it. Some shipments seem to last forever while others have reported it going bad in a matter of a month or two. Lesson learned: Always check your "cross-linker" a week or so before you intend to prime. By the way, the book says you only need it on the first three coats. It has to do with making the primer more resistant to fuel, oil, etc. If you have some areas that have the first three coats on it already, you can prime on that while waiting. I just ordered my third gallon. I don't know how much I will need of it, maybe a quart or two. Wick's has it on back order but I have two quarts left to work with from gallon number two. Larry Flesner --===============78608679740687903== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 20:22:51 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>Smooth Prime Cross Linker Message-ID: <3EAC9E8B.00000B.01276@dan> References: <3.0.6.32.20030427184429.007fe2d0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 Larry,=0D =0D I could not believe it when I got an e-mail from them today. They asked = for my address and how much smooth prime I had left. That is customer servic= e to the MAX.=0D =0D I used some feather fill and got a start on it. I will put a coat or two over that to fill the pin holes, more feather fill, sand to 400 and I wil= l be good to go. Paint, that is. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From AviationMech@aol.com Sun Apr 27 17:51:55 2003 Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.102]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 199ws7-000I82-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 17:51:55 -0700 Received: from AviationMech@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.22.) id g.1d4.8768198 (4004) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 20:51:51 -0400 (EDT) From: AviationMech@aol.com Message-ID: <1d4.8768198.2bddd526@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 20:51:50 EDT Subject: Re: KR>kr sale? To: krnet@mylist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: In a message dated 4/27/2003 7:19:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dselby@frontiernet.net writes: > to try to eliminate > liability concerns. I personally hate to see a working plane sold as parts. But one has to do what one has to do. A point to consider. Someone once said that if you sell a KR in 10 parts then you have increased your liability in 10 different directions. If you decide to part it out, make a parts and price list Orma aka AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com/aviationmech --===============78608679740687903== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 00:17:27 EDT From: JEHayward@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>EGT probe threads and boss? Message-ID: <1da.877240b.2bde0557@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 In a message dated 4/27/03 2:31:10 PM Mountain Daylight Time, langford@hiwaay.net writes: << Anybody know for sure what size and type of thread that boss would need to be? And does anybody happen to know where I could buy a "weld-on" boss like that? >> Mark, try California Power Systems (CPS) or Leading Edge Airfoils (LEAF)... both have websites. AS&S might have them but I'm not sure. Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD --===============78608679740687903== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 23:17:51 -0500 From: "Deems Herring" To: "'KR builders and pilots'" Subject: RE: KR>Glass cockpit Message-ID: <003001c30d3d$22b2b890$6500a8c0@BackOffice> In-Reply-To: <20030426.204057.-383227.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 6 If you check the documentation for Dynon, http://www.dynondevelopment.com/index.html. I believe they list a -30 = deg. C to 50 deg. C operating range and I know that their unit has an alarm function to tell you if the unit reaches either limit. Deems Herring, Baudette Minnesota mailto:ballross@wiktel.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On = Behalf Of Joseph H Horton Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 7:41 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Glass cockpit Guys, I have been wondering how heat affects the solid state gyros. I put a electronic gyro in a RC helicopter when they first came out around = 1994. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 =20 --===============78608679740687903== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 07:39:58 -0500 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>kr sale/liability Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030428073958.007f8650@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <1d4.8768198.2bddd526@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7 Someone once said that if you sell >a KR in 10 parts then you have increased your liability in 10 different >directions. >Orma aka AviationMech +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ It seems this subject comes up on the KRnet about every other year. It also seems there is no definate answer, probably because every situation is different. I was going to say that your chances of being sued are probably rather slim and then recalled a situation in our EAA chapter. Member A is sueing member B after a crash with injuries in a homebuilt owned by member B even though member A was acting as pilot when the crash happened. I still believe however that the chance of you being sued is directly perportional to your assets (or lack of). Lawsuits are seldom initiated to "prove a point". They usually happen after someone "smells the money". We KR builders are generally in a bracket where it might be easier to "take the hit" and scrap the airplane then set yourself up for a liability issue. If you were selling a $70,000.00 RV it would be a totally different situation. Even if you totally cover youself with the buyer, they could crash into a house and wipe out a family at the dinner table and that could prompt a lawsuit from someone that was not a party to the sale. Life is a game of "playing the odds" and you can only try to stack them in your favor and hope for the best. Just remember, this is a layman's opinion and if you get 500 other replys, you'll get 500 different opinions. If in doubt, get some legal council. The EAA can also be of help in that area. Larry Flesner --===============78608679740687903== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 09:11:00 -0400 (EDT) From: paulwasp@webtv.net (Paul Gangemi) To: krnet@mylist.net (KR builders and pilots) Subject: Re: KR>kr sale? Message-ID: <11020-3EAD2864-4364@storefull-2195.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Dean Selby" 's message of Sun, 27 Apr 2003 18:17:28 -0500 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Hi: As you know, I'm interested in a V/W prop 52x48 or in that area. Also interested in a 10" spinner for same. Sorry you have to part it out, but good luck with it. Paul Gangemi !029 E 25th St. Erie, PA 16503 KR2s, filling and priming soon http://community.webtv.net/paulwasp/paulwaspspad --===============78608679740687903== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 06:29:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Cable To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-vacum source........ Message-ID: <20030428132927.74820.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3EAA1DEF.000001.01780@oldmerlin> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 9 Jerry,During my drag racing days, I had a Dodge Challenger, with a killer 440 Cu In. engine. It had a huge roller cam in it, (2800rpm idle) so low speed idle and vacuum signal was non-existant. The engine had fender exit headers, and about 3 inches downstream of where the primary tubes joined, a check valve with a tube was welded into the collector. The tube had a downstream facing opening, so when the exhaust pulse flows over it, a vacuum was created.The check valve promoted one way flow, so the exhaust could never enter. These check valves are for where the smog pump injection pump, pumps air into the catylitic converter. 80's Dodge pick-up trucks used one for instance.A 5/8" hose was connected to it and terminated with a breather fitted to the valve cover. This "vacuum pan system" replaced the Positive Crankcase Ventilation valve (PCV), and was worth a couple of horsepower. It was quickly learned that a breather cap had to be added on the opposite valve cover to prevent the oilpan and valve cover gaskets from being sucked in and causing a leak. That's how much power the system had. But remember the application, a large cubic inch engine turning at high RPM's. I never did put a gauge on it to find out exactly how much vaccum the system actually made. Jeg's sells a system in their catalog, or on-line at:http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=1783&prmenbr=361 for $31+ shippingJeg's has alot of really cool race car stuff that has application for aircraft use (like Russell hose and fittings). KRJerry wrote:Netters......... Have any of you guys looked at drawing a vacum from your exhaust.....? After the Wannabee gets into the air we are going to look into it again. We have both considered it before on other planes.............. N64KR Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC KRJerry@bellsouth.net http://kr-builder.org -------Original Message------- From: KR builders and pilots Date: Thursday, April 24, 2003 03:13:12 PM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-IFR etc.-Long I have heard several opinions on IFR in a KR ranging from it can be done but is a lot of work all the way to you will die if you even attemp it. I haven t flown mine yet so my opinion is worth what you paid for it, but here it is The first thing I bought to add to my KR after I got it was a turn coordinator. I consider this instrument mandatory in any plane that has no other gyro instruments. Simply put, when you accidently get stuck in the soup one day the TC and your previous practice under the hood with it will probably save your life. Keeping the sunny side up without it or any other gyro instruments is a toss of the dice at best. With just the TC and partial panel training from an instructor you have a very good chance of seeing tomorrow. I left holes in my panel for an attitude indicator and heading indicator, but am holding off on the vacuum pump and instruments right now. After I get some time in the plane I will see how easy it is to fly under the hood with just the TC. If I can keep the sunny side up and the nose pointed in the right direction fairly easily I will get the vacuum instruments to make it IFR. If I can't comfortably fly it partial panel then I won't bother making it IFR. Before I get flamed, I realize that the KR is not an IFR cross country plane I would only want it IFR for getting up and down through cloud layers, etc. -------Original Message------- From: Dana Overall Sent: 04/24/03 05:12 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-IFR etc.-Long > > I did leave one "opinion" (there we go again, everybody has one) concerning the post about the IFR........I wouldn't build a KR with hard IFR in mind. _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html . _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Linden, MI s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.From jmw116@socal.rr.com Mon Apr 28 07:24:30 2003 Received: from orngca-mls03.socal.rr.com ([66.75.160.18]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19A9YU-000NjK-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 07:24:30 -0700 Received: from computer (cpe-24-24-216-131.socal.rr.com [24.24.216.131]) by orngca-mls03.socal.rr.com (8.11.4/8.11.3) with SMTP id h3SEOaL09462 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 07:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001401c30d81$1cd7c1b0$83d81818@computer> From: "Justin" To: "KR builders and pilots" References: <11020-3EAD2864-4364@storefull-2195.public.lawson.webtv.net> Subject: Re: KR>kr sale? Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 07:24:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: If your for sure going to part it out I would be very intrested in your Wings and landing gear. Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Gangemi" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 8:11 AM Subject: Re: KR>kr sale? > Hi: > As you know, I'm interested in a V/W prop 52x48 or in that area. Also > interested in a 10" spinner for same. > > Sorry you have to part it out, but good luck with it. > > Paul Gangemi > !029 E 25th St. > Erie, PA 16503 > KR2s, filling and priming soon > > > > > http://community.webtv.net/paulwasp/paulwaspspad > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > --===============78608679740687903== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:45:08 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>kr sale/liability Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10 We were taught in law school to use a shotgun, instead of a rifle, approach in bringing parties within the scope of litigation. Even if you do part it out, you are still a culpable party for those parts you made, assembled or somehow got your hands on. Most buyers and sellers drum up some kind of waiver at the point of sale. Practicing lawyers love these during litigation as you cannot waive negligence. Negligence is the realm in which your fight will most likely take place. Long story short, you will maintain a certain amount of liability exposure, waiver, parting out or selling as whole. Example: You came up with a new and improved bellcrank system by using a pressed bearing. The airplane crashes with witnesses reporting the plane pitched up sharply and then nosed into the ground. "Mr. Airplane Builder, would you please relay to the court your aeronautical knowledge concerning this bearing you stuck, excuse me poor choice of words, you installed in this bellcrank and the testing you performed to verify it's structural integrety in this application" "You didn't do any testing?" "If this bearing had failed, would it cause the elevator to perform at less than 100 percent efficeincy?" "You did say, It Would, is that right?" "Could this cause the airplane to pitch up?" Hum.......since you don't have the money to hire expensive crash analysis experts like the big boys, you just hung out to dry. Now, carry to wing attach fittings, cables, hinges, electrical, pitot static.......the list goes on. You simply will not be able to take yourself out from under the umbrella of exposure. Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --===============78608679740687903== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:55:50 -0600 From: gleone To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-vacum source........ Message-ID: <3EAD40F6.5AEB7DCB@tritel.net> References: <20030428132927.74820.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------75A9D768BA717A7253DB4CDD" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------75A9D768BA717A7253DB4CDD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am trying to remember exactly where I saw this but I did download the p= icture. One too many Fosters, I suspect or simply a "senior moment", how= ever, one KR builder built a vacuum horn into the wing fairing. This mad= e for a very clean and neat installation. I was going to do the same thi= ng until I found a very reasonably priced (and NIB) electric turn and ban= k indicator for my KR making a vacuum source unnecessary. Anyway, unless= you plan on flying through weather and doing your best to ice up the bir= d anyway, icing is not a problem. Nesting bees and bird might be, but ic= ing should not be a concern. Now where did I put my Geritol? Scott Cable wrote: > Jerry,During my drag racing days, I had a Dodge Challenger, with a kill= er 440 Cu In. engine. It had a huge roller cam in it, (2800rpm idle) so = low speed idle and vacuum signal was non-existant. The engine had fender= exit headers, and about 3 inches downstream of where the primary tubes j= oined, a check valve with a tube was welded into the collector. The tube = had a downstream facing opening, so when the exhaust pulse flows over it,= a vacuum was created.The check valve promoted one way flow, so the exhau= st could never enter. These check valves are for where the smog pump inj= ection pump, pumps air into the catylitic converter. 80's Dodge pick-up t= rucks used one for instance.A 5/8" hose was connected to it and terminate= d with a breather fitted to the valve cover. This "vacuum pan system" re= placed the Positive Crankcase Ventilation valve (PCV), and was worth a co= uple of horsepower. It was quickly learned that a breather cap had to be= added on the opposite valve cover to prevent the > oilpan and valve cover gaskets from being sucked in and causing a leak.= That's how much power the system had. But remember the application, a = large cubic inch engine turning at high RPM's. I never did put a gauge o= n it to find out exactly how much vaccum the system actually made. Jeg's= sells a system in their catalog, or on-line at:http://www.jegs.com/cgi-b= in/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=3D1783&prmenbr=3D361 for $31+ shippi= ngJeg's has alot of really cool race car stuff that has application for a= ircraft use (like Russell hose and fittings). > > KRJerry wrote:Netters......... > > Have any of you guys looked at drawing a vacum from your exhaust.....? > > After the Wannabee gets into the air we are going to look into it again= =2E We > have both considered it before on other planes.............. > > N64KR > Jerry Mahurin > Lugoff, SC > KRJerry@bellsouth.net > http://kr-builder.org > > -------Original Message------- > > From: KR builders and pilots > Date: Thursday, April 24, 2003 03:13:12 PM > To: KR builders and pilots > Subject: Re: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-IFR etc.-Long > > I have heard several opinions on IFR in a KR ranging from it can be don= e but > is a lot of work all the way to you will die if you even attemp it. I h= aven > t flown mine yet so my opinion is worth what you paid for it, but here = it is > > The first thing I bought to add to my KR after I got it was a turn > coordinator. I consider this instrument mandatory in any plane that has= no > other gyro instruments. Simply put, when you accidently get stuck in th= e > soup one day the TC and your previous practice under the hood with it w= ill > probably save your life. Keeping the sunny side up without it or any ot= her > gyro instruments is a toss of the dice at best. With just the TC and pa= rtial > panel training from an instructor you have a very good chance of seeing= > tomorrow. > > I left holes in my panel for an attitude indicator and heading indicato= r, > but am holding off on the vacuum pump and instruments right now. After = I get > some time in the plane I will see how easy it is to fly under the hood = with > just the TC. If I can keep the sunny side up and the nose pointed in th= e > right direction fairly easily I will get the vacuum instruments to make= it > IFR. If I can't comfortably fly it partial panel then I won't bother ma= king > it IFR. > > Before I get flamed, I realize that the KR is not an IFR cross country = plane > I would only want it IFR for getting up and down through cloud layers, = etc. > > -------Original Message------- > From: Dana Overall > Sent: 04/24/03 05:12 PM > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-IFR etc.-Long > > > > > I did leave one "opinion" (there we go again, everybody has one) > concerning > > the post about the IFR........I wouldn't build a KR with hard IFR in mi= nd. > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > . _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > Scott Cable > KR-2S # 735 > Linden, MI > s2cable1@yahoo.com > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo._________________________= ______________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --------------75A9D768BA717A7253DB4CDD Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="gleone.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for gleone Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="gleone.vcf" begin:vcard n:;gleone x-mozilla-html:TRUE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:gleone@tritel.net fn:gleone end:vcard --------------75A9D768BA717A7253DB4CDD-- --===============78608679740687903== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:46:58 -0400 From: "Colin" To: Subject: KR>Vacuum Source Message-ID: <002801c30d9d$67201c10$05462141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 12 Not to be presumptious, but it has been my experience that the exhaust = pilses from an engine especially at the lower rpms, will not be = sufficient in volume or steady enough to support more than one = instrument with regular vacuum. The best solution short of a vacuum = pump, would be to either install an emissions air pump with a belt drive = and reverse the connections to create suction, or use a vacuum venturi = and mount it inside the cowling just behind one head so that heated air = flows through it, as well as getting a prime of vauum from the prop wash = through the engine compartment/cowling. This should provide adequate = vacuum for initial spin-up of the instruments, and also guard against = icing if inadvertant IMC is encountered. All tend to agree that the = whole configuration and purpose of the KR2, or KR1 is VFR only, but the = insurance would be nice. When I flew the Cessna 172RG, and the Beech = Duchess's they have their carb intake air drawn from behind the left = hand head, and then ducted down to a side draft carb below the oil pan. = This layout allowed us to basically never have to use carb heat in any = flight condition due to the already pre-warmed air, even after simulated = emergency descents, etc... The should be adequate heat to prevent the = venturi from icing. If I add a vacuum system on mine, this is where I = intend to add the venturi. It will also keep it from adding drag to the = exterior. =20 Colin Rainey crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!From wstarrs@netzero.net Mon Apr 28 09:39:59 2003 Received: from smtp03.wlv.untd.com ([209.247.163.66]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19ABfb-000P3T-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 09:39:59 -0700 Received: (qmail 23205 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2003 16:40:05 -0000 Received: from dialup-65.58.134.90.dial1.phoenix1.level3.net (HELO bstarrs) (65.58.134.90) by smtp03.wlv.untd.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2003 16:40:05 -0000 Message-ID: <004801c30da4$ce7b71a0$9200a8c0@bstarrs> From: "wstarrs" To: "KR builders and pilots" References: <3.0.6.32.20030428073958.007f8650@pop.midwest.net> Subject: Re: KR>kr sale/liability Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 09:39:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: If a person goes through life worrying about being sued then they are going to miss out on a lot of fun. we have to use common sense ,but what is common sense to one person is fool hardy to the next. So there is no fool proof answer. Relax smell the roses, and if you loose your shirt in the process remember you weren't born with one in the first place. Bill Starrs wstarrs@netzero.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 5:39 AM Subject: KR>kr sale/liability > Someone once said that if you sell > >a KR in 10 parts then you have increased your liability in 10 different > >directions. > >Orma aka AviationMech > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > It seems this subject comes up on the KRnet about every other year. > It also seems there is no definate answer, probably because every > situation is different. I was going to say that your chances of being > sued are probably rather slim and then recalled a situation in our > EAA chapter. Member A is sueing member B after a crash with injuries > in a homebuilt owned by member B even though member A was > acting as pilot when the crash happened. > > I still believe however that the chance of you being sued is directly > perportional to your assets (or lack of). Lawsuits are seldom initiated > to "prove a point". They usually happen after someone "smells the > money". We KR builders are generally in a bracket where it might > be easier to "take the hit" and scrap the airplane then set yourself > up for a liability issue. If you were selling a $70,000.00 RV it would > be a totally different situation. > > Even if you totally cover youself with the buyer, they could crash > into a house and wipe out a family at the dinner table and that > could prompt a lawsuit from someone that was not a party to > the sale. Life is a game of "playing the odds" and you can only > try to stack them in your favor and hope for the best. > > Just remember, this is a layman's opinion and if you get 500 other > replys, you'll get 500 different opinions. If in doubt, get some legal > council. The EAA can also be of help in that area. > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > --===============78608679740687903== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:47:05 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>EGT probe threads and boss? Message-ID: <4f8a01c30da5$cd46f3d0$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> References: <1da.877240b.2bde0557@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 Jim Hayward wrote: > Mark, try California Power Systems (CPS) or > Leading Edge Airfoils (LEAF)... both have websites. > AS&S might have them but I'm not sure. I'd already tried LEAF, but I checked CPS's website and they had the stainless 8mm weld-on bosses for $8 each. I just ordered 6 of them. EIS said they'd swap my EGT sensors for their 8mm ones (which are standard Rotax), so I guess I'm good to go. Thanks for the help, Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --===============78608679740687903== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 09:51:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Cable To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Vacuum Source Message-ID: <20030428165113.88198.qmail@web40812.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <002801c30d9d$67201c10$05462141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14 Colin wrote: "Not to be presumptious, but it has been my experience that the exhaust pulses from an engine especially at the lower rpms, will not be sufficient in volume or steady enough to support more than one instrument with regular vacuum." One could always incorporate a vacuum reservoir..... or: Here's a nice vacuum pump advertised in Jeg's http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=2461&prmenbr=361 Note the name of the maker: Aerospace Components...... Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Linden, MI s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. --===============78608679740687903==-- --===============094251709123041927== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============094251709123041927==--