Received: from [216.254.0.225] by bou2100 (ArGoSoft Mail Server Freeware, Version 1.70 (1.7.0.3)); Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:24:14 -0700 Received: from lizard.esosoft.net (lizard.esosoft.net [66.113.66.18]) by mx2.speakeasy.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3TJ1TP28474 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:01:32 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lizard.esosoft.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19AaKh-000A6C-00; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:00:03 -0700 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============78391101275576647==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: krnet-request@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 20, Issue 1 To: krnet@mylist.net X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Sender: krnet-bounces@mylist.net Errors-To: krnet-bounces@mylist.net Message-Id: Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:00:03 -0700 --===============78391101275576647== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: KRnet Digest, Vol 20, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." --===============78391101275576647== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Today's Topics (8 messages) Today's Topics: 1. vacuum source (Oscar Zuniga) 2. Fw: KR>vacuum source (Norm) 3. Re: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-vacum source........ (KRJerry) 4. Speed Brake (Justin) 5. Venturi - not for me. IFR - ok in VFR weather. (Bob Lee) 6. Venturi - not for me. IFR - ok in VFR weather. (Bob Lee) 7. Re: Venturi - not for me. IFR - ok in VFR weather. (Dan Heath) 8. Re: kr sale/liability (gleone) --===============78391101275576647== Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="===============015649304953969434==" MIME-Version: 1.0 --===============015649304953969434== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:23:13 -0500 From: "Oscar Zuniga" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>vacuum source Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 Somebody mentioned the idea of burying the venturi in the wing root. Here's a snip from Feb., 2000 KRNet archive on this subject: >Garth Hess built a venturi out of fiberglass & put it in the wing root >fairings. It was documented in an old KR News letter >I am on the road again, yet, still so I can't scan & email it. >Bill Higdon >Willard561@aol.com Bill is still on this list, I believe. Plus I saw the detail myself, in the old newsletter (hard copy). It was only big enough to drive one or two instruments though. I think if I were going to this much trouble, I'd spring for one of the whiz-bang EFIS deals instead. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net From: krnet-request@mylist.net To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 19, Issue 1 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:00:02 -0700 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. EGT probe threads and boss? (Mark Langford) 2. kr sale? (Dean Selby) 3. Smooth Prime Cross Linker (larry flesner) 4. Re: Smooth Prime Cross Linker (Dan Heath) 5. Re: EGT probe threads and boss? 6. RE: Glass cockpit (Deems Herring) 7. kr sale/liability (larry flesner) 8. Re: kr sale? (Paul Gangemi) 9. Re: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-vacum source........ (Scott Cable) 10. Re: kr sale/liability (Dana Overall) 11. Re: Glass cockpit-vacum source........ (gleone) 12. Vacuum Source (Colin) 13. Re: EGT probe threads and boss? (Mark Langford) 14. Re: Vacuum Source (Scott Cable) << message5.txt >> << message7.txt >> << message9.txt >> << message11.txt >> << message13.txt >> << message15.txt >> << message17.txt >> << message19.txt >> << message21.txt >> << message23.txt >> << message25.txt >> << message29.txt >> << message31.txt >> << message33.txt >> _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --===============015649304953969434== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 19:08:16 -0700 From: "Norm" To: Subject: Fw: KR>vacuum source Message-ID: <001d01c30df4$32e11920$e3693f04@dslverizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 In the tape I received sometime back in the RR information pack, there is a description of a KR-100 with an 0200 Cont and the venturi made in the cowl cheek. Builder was Kevin Kelly. Norm Seel Brandon, FL norman.seel@verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" To: Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 12:23 PM Subject: KR>vacuum source > Somebody mentioned the idea of burying the venturi in the wing root. Here's > a snip from Feb., 2000 KRNet archive on this subject: > > >Garth Hess built a venturi out of fiberglass & put it in the wing root > >fairings. It was documented in an old KR News letter > >I am on the road again, yet, still so I can't scan & email it. > >Bill Higdon > >Willard561@aol.com > > Bill is still on this list, I believe. Plus I saw the detail myself, in the > old newsletter (hard copy). It was only big enough to drive one or two > instruments though. I think if I were going to this much trouble, I'd > spring for one of the whiz-bang EFIS deals instead. > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > > From: krnet-request@mylist.net > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 19, Issue 1 > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:00:02 -0700 > > Send KRnet mailing list submissions to > krnet@mylist.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > krnet-request@mylist.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > krnet-owner@mylist.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. EGT probe threads and boss? (Mark Langford) > 2. kr sale? (Dean Selby) > 3. Smooth Prime Cross Linker (larry flesner) > 4. Re: Smooth Prime Cross Linker (Dan Heath) > 5. Re: EGT probe threads and boss? > 6. RE: Glass cockpit (Deems Herring) > 7. kr sale/liability (larry flesner) > 8. Re: kr sale? (Paul Gangemi) > 9. Re: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-vacum source........ (Scott Cable) > 10. Re: kr sale/liability (Dana Overall) > 11. Re: Glass cockpit-vacum source........ (gleone) > 12. Vacuum Source (Colin) > 13. Re: EGT probe threads and boss? (Mark Langford) > 14. Re: Vacuum Source (Scott Cable) > << message5.txt >> > << message7.txt >> > << message9.txt >> > << message11.txt >> > << message13.txt >> > << message15.txt >> > << message17.txt >> > << message19.txt >> > << message21.txt >> > << message23.txt >> > << message25.txt >> > << message29.txt >> > << message31.txt >> > << message33.txt >> > _______________________________________________ > See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============015649304953969434== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 19:05:43 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "KRJerry" To: Subject: Re: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-vacum source........ Message-ID: <3EADDDF7.000001.02280@oldmerlin> References: <20030428132927.74820.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 3 Scott,=0D =0D Thanx for the info........ it's more than I ever expected..........=0D =0D Thanx again,=0D =0D N64KR=0D Jerry Mahurin=0D Lugoff, SC=0D KRJerry@bellsouth.net=0D http://kr-builder.org=0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Monday, April 28, 2003 06:31:47 AM=0D To: KR builders and pilots=0D Subject: Re: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-vacum source........=0D =0D Jerry,During my drag racing days, I had a Dodge Challenger, with a killer 440 Cu In. engine. It had a huge roller cam in it, (2800rpm idle) so low speed idle and vacuum signal was non-existant. The engine had fender exit headers, and about 3 inches downstream of where the primary tubes joined,= a check valve with a tube was welded into the collector. The tube had a downstream facing opening, so when the exhaust pulse flows over it, a vac= uum was created.The check valve promoted one way flow, so the exhaust could never enter. These check valves are for where the smog pump injection pum= p, pumps air into the catylitic converter. 80's Dodge pick-up trucks used on= e for instance.A 5/8" hose was connected to it and terminated with a breath= er fitted to the valve cover. This "vacuum pan system" replaced the Positive Crankcase Ventilation valve (PCV), and was worth a couple of horsepower. = It was quickly learned that a breather cap had to be added on the opposite valve cover to prevent the oilpan and valve cover gaskets from being suck= ed in and causing a leak. That's how much power the system had. But remember the application, a large cubic inch engine turning at high RPM's. I never did put a gauge on it to find out exactly how much vaccum the system actually made. Jeg's sells a system in their catalog, or on-line at:http://www.jegs com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=3D1783&prmenbr=3D361 for $3= 1+ shippingJeg's has alot of really cool race car stuff that has application for aircraft use (like Russell hose and fittings).=0D =0D KRJerry wrote:Netters.........=0D =0D Have any of you guys looked at drawing a vacum from your exhaust.....?=0D =0D After the Wannabee gets into the air we are going to look into it again. = We=0D have both considered it before on other planes..............=0D =0D =0D N64KR=0D Jerry Mahurin=0D Lugoff, SC=0D KRJerry@bellsouth.net=0D http://kr-builder.org=0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Thursday, April 24, 2003 03:13:12 PM=0D To: KR builders and pilots=0D Subject: Re: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-IFR etc.-Long=0D =0D I have heard several opinions on IFR in a KR ranging from it can be done = but=0D is a lot of work all the way to you will die if you even attemp it. I hav= en=0D t flown mine yet so my opinion is worth what you paid for it, but here it= is=0D =0D =0D The first thing I bought to add to my KR after I got it was a turn=0D coordinator. I consider this instrument mandatory in any plane that has n= o=0D other gyro instruments. Simply put, when you accidently get stuck in the=0D soup one day the TC and your previous practice under the hood with it wil= l=0D probably save your life. Keeping the sunny side up without it or any othe= r=0D gyro instruments is a toss of the dice at best. With just the TC and part= ial=0D panel training from an instructor you have a very good chance of seeing=0D tomorrow.=0D =0D I left holes in my panel for an attitude indicator and heading indicator,= =0D but am holding off on the vacuum pump and instruments right now. After I = get=0D some time in the plane I will see how easy it is to fly under the hood wi= th=0D just the TC. If I can keep the sunny side up and the nose pointed in the=0D right direction fairly easily I will get the vacuum instruments to make i= t=0D IFR. If I can't comfortably fly it partial panel then I won't bother maki= ng=0D it IFR.=0D =0D Before I get flamed, I realize that the KR is not an IFR cross country pl= ane=0D I would only want it IFR for getting up and down through cloud layers, et= c.=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D From: Dana Overall =0D Sent: 04/24/03 05:12 PM=0D To: krnet@mylist.net=0D Subject: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-IFR etc.-Long=0D =0D > =0D > I did leave one "opinion" (there we go again, everybody has one)=0D concerning =0D =0D the post about the IFR........I wouldn't build a KR with hard IFR in mind= =2E =0D =0D =0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2E. _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =0D Scott Cable=0D KR-2S # 735=0D Linden, MI=0D s2cable1@yahoo.com=0D =0D ---------------------------------=0D Do you Yahoo!?=0D The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2E=20From Biiggd@aol.com Mon Apr 28 22:19:54 2003 Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.105]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19ANX0-0005Bf-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:19:54 -0700 Received: from Biiggd@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.22.) id g.1e9.78fb1a8 (4262) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:20:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Biiggd@aol.com Message-ID: <1e9.78fb1a8.2bdf657f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:19:59 EDT To: krnet@mylist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>IFR in a KR? X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Just say NO !! Unless u have a Cont 0200 with a real live vacuum system! I have lost 5 engines and 2 of them were in night IFR conditions...believe me, it will increase your laundry bill immediately ! Don't do it guys! --===============015649304953969434== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:11:22 -0500 From: "Justin" To: Subject: KR>Speed Brake Message-ID: <002301c30e05$64e0df30$83d81818@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 Is there any pictures showing how to make a speed brake, What size etc.. = I want to prepare for this kind of stuff before I skin it. I proubly be = using a seat motor from a car to push this baby down. Justin KR2S-Tearing apart my Corvair --===============015649304953969434== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 03:21:20 -0400 From: "Bob Lee" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>Venturi - not for me. IFR - ok in VFR weather. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 KRnetters, I've been watching all of the posts about venturis or IFR and I would like to offer a broader perspective to consider. In looking at a single engine IFR airplane there are typically four power sources that operate in addition to the basic engine: 1. the magneto converts rotary motion to electrical energy for spark 2. the vacuum pump converts rotary motion to air flow to power some instruments 3. the alternator converts rotary motion to electrical energy to power some aircraft systems 4. the battery stores electrical energy to power some aircraft systems. With this typical configuration you have alternative power sources for some system however they each operate independently from one another. What good is excess vacuum pump capacity when the alternator fails, or excess battery capacity when the vacuum pump fails? I have replaced these four power sources with two alternators and two batteries and have all aircraft systems electrically powered. The magneto is replaced with electronic ignition. The vacuum pump is replaced with a 400 VAC inverter to power an AC powered Horizon and DG. The turn coordinator is powered by 12VDC. This will provide the most flexibility in powering aircraft systems from different power sources when failures occur. Here are two links to my web site that show what I've done that might be of interest: The instrument panel (http://flyboybob.com/images/kr2/n52bl/electric%20and%20instrument/inst01.jp g) is IFR capable for training purposes. You can file IFR when the weather is VFR and do your flying in the clear. On long cross countries, it's nice to know that someone knows where I am, just in case I don't. The power distribution and wiring diagrams (http://flyboybob.com/kr2/wd0001.htm) show two battery busses, each with a separate battery and alternator that power the main bus. The main bus powers all engine critical systems directly as well as a separate avionics bus for comm, nav, and instruments. The avionics master has a backup circuit breaker to eliminate it as a single point of failure to all avionics. I'm going down into a secure bunker now to work on my KR2. The build it light and simple brigade can lock and load, my airplane factory is a hardened facility! Regards, Bob Lee _________________________ N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 91% done only 51% to go! Phone/Fax: 770/844-7501 mailto:bob@flyboybob.com http://flyboybob.com --===============015649304953969434== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 03:42:13 -0400 From: "Bob Lee" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>Venturi - not for me. IFR - ok in VFR weather. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 KRnetters, It seems that the new KRnet has a mind of it's own when it comes to formatting messages. Text messages are reformatted to have a maximum line length of 76 characters. This forced the last character of the link I posted to my instrument panel to be placed on the following line. Before everyone panics that the link is wrong, let me reformat it to be less than 76 characters and see if it will get past the list forwarder? Instrument panel link: http://flyboybob.com/images/kr2/n52bl/electric%20and%20instrument/inst01.jpg Regards, Bob Lee ______________________________ N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 30024 91% done only 51% to go! Phone/Fax: 770/844-7501 mailto:bob@flyboybob.com http://flyboybob.com --===============015649304953969434== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 05:19:34 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>Venturi - not for me. IFR - ok in VFR weather. Message-ID: <3EAE6DD6.000001.01272@dan> References: Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 7 RE: Instrument panel link:=0D http://flyboybob.com/images/kr2/n52bl/electric%20and%20instrument/inst01.= jpg=0D =0D WOW. I don't know what else to say. How did you say that you are drivin= g all those gyros? That is some panel. I don't think I have ever seen one= so full of gyros, in a KR. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From DanRH@alltel.net Tue Apr 29 02:20:34 2003 Received: from mta02.alltel.net ([166.102.165.144] helo=mta02-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19ARHt-00063r-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 02:20:33 -0700 Received: from dan ([151.213.88.66]) by mta02-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20030429092042.QDBG28309.mta02-srv.alltel.net@dan> for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 04:20:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3EAE6F30.000003.01272@dan> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 05:25:20 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (1850894) From: "Dan Heath" References: <3.0.6.32.20030428073958.007f8650@pop.midwest.net> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: Subject: Re: KR>kr sale/liability Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: RE: Even if you totally cover yourself with the buyer, they could crash=0D into a house and wipe out a family at the dinner table and that=0D could prompt a lawsuit from someone that was not a party to =0D the sale.=0D =0D You paint a picture of a very sick society. It is truly amazing that thi= s society continues to exist and sometimes I really wonder, how it does. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From DanRH@alltel.net Tue Apr 29 02:32:13 2003 Received: from mta01.alltel.net ([166.102.165.143] helo=mta01-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19ARTB-00068y-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 02:32:13 -0700 Received: from dan ([151.213.88.66]) by mta01-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20030429093221.SPHO2974.mta01-srv.alltel.net@dan> for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 04:32:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3EAE71EB.000008.01272@dan> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 05:36:59 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (1850894) From: "Dan Heath" References: <005501c30937$1de05c00$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: Subject: Re: KR>Heat Muffs Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: RE: Heat muffs can be bent on a small bench top brake and pop riveted=0D together if you are not a welder.=0D =0D I think this is what I am going to do. Maybe I will put some RTV in the seam as I rivet it together. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From bob@flyboybob.com Tue Apr 29 03:04:30 2003 Received: from [64.38.122.126] (helo=unix103.hosting-network.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19ARyQ-0006KC-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 03:04:30 -0700 Received: (qmail 38493 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2003 08:23:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bubba9) (68.67.111.145) by 64.38.122.160 with SMTP; 29 Apr 2003 08:23:24 -0000 X-Comments: BlackMail headers - Mail to abuse@featureprice.com to report spam. X-Authenticated-Connect: 68.67.111.145 X-Authenticated-Timestamp: 04:23:24(EDT) on April 29, 2003 X-HELO-From: bubba9 X-Mail-From: X-Sender-IP-Address: 68.67.111.145 From: "Bob Lee" To: "KRnet" Subject: RE: KR>Venturi - not for me. IFR - ok in VFR weather. Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 06:03:50 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3EAE6DD6.000001.01272@dan> X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Dan Heath asked: "How did you say that you are driving all those gyros"? Well another senior moment, I stated the horizon and dg were 400VAC. In truth, they are 400 cycle 120VAC units powered through an inverter from 12VDC. The turn and bank is powered directly from 12VDC. Regards, Bob Lee ______________________________ N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 30024 91% done only 51% to go! Phone/Fax: 770/844-7501 mailto:bob@flyboybob.com http://flyboybob.com --===============015649304953969434== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 06:55:21 -0600 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "gleone" To: Subject: Re: KR>kr sale/liability Message-ID: <3EAE7639.000004.01548@DDMWDD11> References: <3EAE6F30.000003.01272@dan> Content-Type: Multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_9WV3BHK0000000000000" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8 --------------Boundary-00=_9WV3BHK0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D Before anyone warms up the BBQ, this is not meant to be a slam against lawyers. We have become a nation which refuses to take responsibility fo= r the simplest things in life like driving around with a Styrofoam cup of h= ot coffee between the legs to putting a loaded gun to the head and pulling t= he trigger then saying "it wasn't fault! It was McDonalds fault". Or the actor for a short lived TV series who jokingly put a .44 Mag revolver to = his head loaded with blanks and pulled the trigger before anyone could stop = him It never occurred to that particular "Darwin Award Recipient" there's something like 20,000 pounds pressure at the muzzle which resulted in turning his brain into Jell-o. It wasn't his fault, "it was Smith & Wes= son s fault!" If McD's had only told me it was a stupid thing to drive with = a hot cup of coffee between ones legs or S&W had clearly put a warning on t= he revolver along the lines of, "WARNING! SHOOTING BLANKS WITH THE MUZZLE POINTED AT YOUR HEAD COULD KILL YOU!" perhaps he would not have done it.=20 But I don't think so! When buglers can sue a homeowner for "injuries sustained in a burglary", it is because (a) trial lawyers have found a ne= w cash cow and (b) jurors are too stupid to realize the problem lies with t= he person who did the act rather than the business/individual/whatever the s= uit was brought against. For some vultures out there, the loss of a "loved" = one is well offset by the money gained through litigation and sometimes insurance. Here's a couple of examples:=0D =0D A abdominal surgeon friend of mine was forced out of private practice by = the annual doubling of his malpractice insurance. Why did it go up every yea= r by a factor of two? He had ONE frivolous law suit. He went to work for Ford-Philco as the company doctor. =0D =0D In college I worked as a reserve police officer. My partner was a good c= op but a man who had to manage his temper. We were dispatched to a fatal accident where a 14 year old boy was one of the victims. At the hospital= , Larry, my partner, and I went to the "parents", a word used in its looses= t connotation possible, to get some needed information for our report. The= =20 father" said, "I told you we should have gotten the $10,000 policy!" to w= it the "mother" replied, "how did I know the little bastard would die?!" La= rry who stood 6' 3", weighed about 225 pounds and was all of 10% body fat, picked the so-called father up by the collar and had it not been for my intervention, he would have pasted his stamp right there on the spot. =0D =0D As a nation, generally speaking, people have become lazy and feel someone else owes them in one way or another. If you're parting out or selling outright an airplane, you'll run the risk of someone or their survivors d= own the road wanting to sue you because an idiot augured in trying to see if = he or she could really recover from an inverted flat spin. When I was a cop= , there was only one law I really wanted to see put on the books and that w= as=20 Stupid in Public". As long as people are going to be "stupid in public" there will be lawyers on the side to take their money and jurors who loos= e sight of the fact we are all responsible for our own actions. As an asid= e, think about it: These people vote! Again, this is not an indictment of a= ll lawyers as lawyers are needed. It is an indictment against greed and avarice. =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 3:20:50 AM=0D To: krnet@mylist.net=0D Subject: Re: KR>kr sale/liability=0D =0D RE: Even if you totally cover yourself with the buyer, they could crash =0D into a house and wipe out a family at the dinner table and that =0D could prompt a lawsuit from someone that was not a party to =0D the sale. =0D =0D You paint a picture of a very sick society. It is truly amazing that this= =0D society continues to exist and sometimes I really wonder, how it does. =0D =0D N64KR =0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC =0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org =0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003 =0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_9WV3BHK0000000000000-- --===============015649304953969434==-- --===============78391101275576647== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============78391101275576647==--