Received: from [66.113.66.18] by bou2100 (ArGoSoft Mail Server Freeware, Version 1.70 (1.7.0.3)); Sat, 3 May 2003 12:04:42 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lizard.esosoft.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19C2Ey-000LlF-00; Sat, 03 May 2003 12:00:08 -0700 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============46338996752095052==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: krnet-request@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 24, Issue 1 To: krnet@mylist.net X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Sender: krnet-bounces@mylist.net Errors-To: krnet-bounces@mylist.net Message-Id: Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 12:00:08 -0700 --===============46338996752095052== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: KRnet Digest, Vol 24, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." --===============46338996752095052== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Today's Topics (11 messages) Today's Topics: 1. Wiring (Colin) 2. HS Spar (Justin) 3. Re: HS Spar (Mark Langford) 4. Re: HS Spar (bwunder) 5. Re: HS Spar (Mark Langford) 6. Re: Wiring 7. Re: liability (Dana Overall) 8. Re: Wiring (Paul Gangemi) 9. Re: liability (Dan Heath) 10. Sale- Landing gear and Chute (WILLIAM HUNTLEY) 11. Re: liability (Dana Overall) --===============46338996752095052== Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="===============62537526241548536==" MIME-Version: 1.0 --===============62537526241548536== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 18:17:15 -0400 From: "Colin" To: Subject: KR>Wiring Message-ID: <001801c310f8$96af98d0$05462141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1 Netters, I have an Icom A200 radio that I am wiring up for my KR2. The molex plug = is not labeled front or back, but the directions say to wire it based on = a view from the front, then left to right. Is the front the part that = mounts to the radio, or the part where the wires insert in with molex = plugs? I am thinking that the front is the part facing the radio with = the slot for the flat plug from the radio to be able to insert. Thanks, Colin Rainey crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!From engalt@earthlink.net Fri May 02 16:41:08 2003 Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.122]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19Bk9M-000Gp1-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 02 May 2003 16:41:08 -0700 Received: from statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.78.21]) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Bk9f-00063L-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 02 May 2003 16:41:27 -0700 Received: from [207.217.78.16] by EarthlinkWAM via HTTP; Fri May 02 16:41:27 PDT 2003 Message-ID: <4006688.1051918887083.JavaMail.nobody@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 16:41:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Subject: KR>liability X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: I was looking for something else and came accross a good article on homebuilt liability. Here is the link. http://www.provide.net/~pratt1/ambuilt/liabhome.htm --===============62537526241548536== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 17:56:20 -0500 From: "Justin" To: Subject: KR>HS Spar Message-ID: <000b01c310fe$0be39e30$83d81818@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 2 I have already tapered my spars for the HS but I havent got the angle in = there to match the airfoil. Is it too late to make it match properly? I = completly forgot about this being a real airfoil. What is a good way to = make a fixture or somethign to make it get the angle.I am usuing the = Naca airfoil just liek Mark Landford. Also Mark how did you get your elevator to be smaller but with a = bigger HS area. Justin --===============62537526241548536== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 20:14:36 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>HS Spar Message-ID: <01fe01c31111$5d2f8f20$1202a8c0@basement> References: <000b01c310fe$0be39e30$83d81818@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Justin wrote: > I have already tapered my spars for the HS but I havent got the angle in there to match the >airfoil. Is it too late to make it match properly? You can taper it now, but it'll have to be by eyeball. You can put a pencil line the whole length both front and back, top and bottom, and sand until all the wood between the front lines and aft lines is gone. That'll get it close. I did my vertical stab post with a belt sander that way, and nobody's remarked how hideous it is yet. > Also Mark how did you get your elevator to be smaller but with a bigger HS area. I slid the airfoil forward on the spars, which yielded a smaller elevator, and a larger horizontal stab. I think the templates that I published were done that way (since they're mine), but I wouldn't swear to it. Measure them and compare them to the plans and you'll know... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --===============62537526241548536== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 22:45:34 -0500 From: "bwunder" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>HS Spar Message-ID: <010701c31126$a118eaa0$d0e5150a@computer> References: <000b01c310fe$0be39e30$83d81818@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Justin wrote: >>I have already tapered my spars for the HS but I havent got the angle in there to match the airfoil. Is it too late to make it match properly?>> What I did was to take the angles off the airfoil templates and calculate the dimensions of a right triangle with the back edge of the HS spar as the forward point and the front edge of a copy of the tapered spar (that mirrored the HS spar) as the rear point, but taller by the amount to give the correct angle(slope) when laying a sanding board on it. The base leg of the triangle depends on the distance between the HS spar and the taller copy of the spar. The additional vertical height on the rear copy is based on this distance. I then covered the top of the HS spar with a very light coat of dark paint. Clamping the HS spar to the front of a 1x3 and the taller copy to the back side, I could lay a sanding board on the two surfaces and sand the HS spar until the black surface disappeared. You can see the black surface disappear from front to rear as you sand along the length of the spar. This gave the exact angle I needed to match the airfoils and when I slipped the airfoils over the spar, there was indeed a match. Using this jig method made the sanding go fast, smooth and accurate along the length of the spar. The only thing is you need to cut 3 different tapered rear sanding "jigs" since each of the spars (two in the HS and one in the elevator) are of different height. But since the spar is symetrical, you only need to do a half length for the taper copy and flip it over to sand the other half of the HS spar. It would be easier to draw this than describe it..if you need to know more, please send me an e-mail off line. |---------lay sanding board on top and the slope should be the angle you need. \/ | | To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>HS Spar Message-ID: <09fe01c31125$28c38430$1202a8c0@basement> References: <000b01c310fe$0be39e30$83d81818@computer> <01fe01c31111$5d2f8f20$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Justin wrote: > > I have already tapered my spars for the HS but I havent got the angle in > there to match the >airfoil. Is it too late to make it match properly? ...and I didn't read it well enough. I ASSumed he had it stuck to the fuselage already, but apparently not. No it's not too late to taper them, using something like the simple 1x6 jig as shown on the second picture down at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kht.html . The spar isn't tapered yet in the photo, but it certainly could have been. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --===============62537526241548536== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 00:15:49 EDT From: JEHayward@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Wiring Message-ID: <20.10562b77.2be49c75@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 In a message dated 5/2/03 4:17:47 PM Mountain Daylight Time, crainey1@cfl.rr.com writes: << I am thinking that the front is the part facing the radio with the slot for the flat plug from the radio to be able to insert. >> That's correct... the front is the mating face. Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD --===============62537526241548536== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 07:44:20 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>liability Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7 Here are the main two kickers in the entire article, in my opinion: Disclaimers and Waivers are frequently enforced in economic damage cases; i.e., when they involve breach-of-contract or breach-of-warranty issues. Exculpatory agreements are much more strictly construed when personal injury or death is involved. The following is a partial list of considerations relevant to whether such exculpatory agreements may be upheld by some courts: 1. Most states will not allow a spouse to sign away their husband's or wife's rights to sue for wrongful death. Your estate through remainder beneficiaries (wrong terminology but I do a lot of estate work) will retain standing. 2. Many courts will not honor these agreements if the negligent actions of a party also constitute violations of law, because while a private party may agree to release you from your own negligence, the courts have an interest in penalizing violations of the law. This is the biggy. As I said before, most courts will not allow you, as a matter of public policy, to waive negligence. While exculpatory agreements seek to reduce or eliminate enforcable culpability, judicial culpability is in the eyes of a "friendly court". Just don't live and fly with one hand shaking and another on your wallet. Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --===============62537526241548536== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 09:00:51 -0400 (EDT) From: paulwasp@webtv.net (Paul Gangemi) To: krnet@mylist.net (KR builders and pilots) Subject: Re: KR>Wiring Message-ID: <16498-3EB3BD83-2961@storefull-2196.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: JEHayward@aol.com's message of Sat, 3 May 2003 00:15:49 EDT Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Precedence: list Message: 8 e sure to tell me the street...W. 26th St. or W.12th St? http://community.webtv.net/paulwasp/paulwaspspad --===============62537526241548536== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 09:43:13 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>liability Message-ID: <3EB3F1A0.000001.01260@dan> References: Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 9 Dana,=0D =0D As much as I despise it, I have to agree that there is a place for TORT, however, it is way out of control. It has been exploited beyond anything that could have been imagined.=0D =0D It is the reason why businesses like TET go out of business and many othe= rs are never born. Just imagine all the great little products that could be produced and businesses that could be started if this situation were unde= r control.=0D =0D Being sued becase you produce a nail gun and idiots cannot figure out tha= t they are dangerous and you should not point and click at someone or yours= elf Come on. There are thousands of cases like this that never should be allowed. Just the fact that you CAN be sued, is enough to scare most peo= ple away from doing a good thing.=0D =0D This is the scourge of our society and will be our downfall.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From langford@hiwaay.net Sat May 03 07:22:29 2003 Received: from ant.hiwaay.net ([216.180.54.10] helo=mail.hiwaay.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19BxuH-000KVv-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 03 May 2003 07:22:29 -0700 Received: from 800Athlon (user-24-214-106-15.knology.net [24.214.106.15]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h43EMmHd549020 for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 09:22:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004601c3117f$7942de10$2402a8c0@800Athlon> From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" References: <3EB3F1A0.000001.01260@dan> Subject: Re: KR>liability Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 09:22:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mark Langford , KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Dan Heath wrote: > This is the scourge of our society and will be our downfall. I agree wholeheartedly. Our biggest problem isn't terrorism. In my opinion it's an economy stifled by many factors, one of the biggest being the fear of frivolous lawsuits. I just spent almost 2 years designing a portable waterjet cutter designed to cut into "hazardous threats", meaning anything from truck bombs, missile casings, warheads, chemical tanker railroad cars, or even cutting accident victims out of their crumpled vehicles. We built a prototype, and have spent over a year in testing, and then traveled the country demonstrating it. We built our first production model for NYPD, and now that it's time to deliver it, our company is getting cold feet. What happens if the unit malfunctions and fails to disable a bomb in Manhattan in time, and the resulting explosion ends up looking like ground zero? Then we get sued by the families of 500 victims and the company goes bankrupt. Not acceptable! The solution...don't sell it in the first place. Millions of dollars down the drain. I guess I shouldn't complain...it paid my salary for two years, and it was really interesting work, but it just irritates me to no end to have put that much effort into something that's now been shelved due to the fear of a frivolous, groundless lawsuit. The problem is that nobody's reponsible for their own actions or decisions anymore. And stuff doesn't "just happen" either. We live in a society where when something negative occurs, it's somebody else's fault, and the first place you look to place the blame is wherever the biggest pot of money lies. My father's been sued twice for a million dollars each time. They were both so rediculous it'd make you cry, but it cost him a year of sleepless nights, and well over $40,000 to defend himself, even though both suits were groundless. Sore subject, I guess. Sorry about the rant... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --===============62537526241548536== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 08:10:52 -0700 From: "WILLIAM HUNTLEY" To: Subject: KR>Sale- Landing gear and Chute Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10 BRS chute and complete landing gear, brakes,hyd. and tires. New,Uninstalled Make A Offer E-mail for specs Bill Huntley 906-864-0347 I can accept a credit card From DanRH@alltel.net Sat May 03 09:06:46 2003 Received: from mta02.alltel.net ([166.102.165.144] helo=mta02-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19BzXC-000L6C-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 03 May 2003 09:06:46 -0700 Received: from dan ([151.213.89.111]) by mta02-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20030503160705.ZJAR28309.mta02-srv.alltel.net@dan>; Sat, 3 May 2003 11:07:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3EB4146B.000008.01260@dan> Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 12:11:39 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_FZRBRN00000000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (1850894) From: "Dan Heath" References: <004601c3117f$7942de10$2402a8c0@800Athlon> X-FID: 3F8283BA-0CB1-481C-AB35-8E072B997D58 X-FVER: 3.0 X-FIT: Letter X-FCOL: Aircraft X-FCAT: Technologies X-FDIS: Safe Landing X-Extensions: SU1CTDEsNDYsgUmBSZU4wZHBlTAkTYE0MIVNicGFNE0kMJWNTcEsgZ2RMMXFnSiNwUmBSYFJgSxJTUJMMiwwLCxJTUJMMywwLCxUeXBlVmVyc2lvbiwzLDEuMCw= X-BG: <7BD3F77B-30C0-49B5-A4AA-1BABF80C1AA8> X-BGT: no-repeat X-BGC: #c5c5e7 X-BGPX: center X-BGPY: bottom X-ASN: 7A42E450-357F-11D4-BA31-0050DAC68030 X-ASNF: 0 X-ASH: BA70C450-357F-11D4-BA31-0050DAC68030 X-ASHF: 1 X-AN: 6486DDE0-3EFD-11D4-BA3D-0050DAC68030 X-ANF: 0 X-AP: 6486DDE0-3EFD-11D4-BA3D-0050DAC68030 X-APF: 1 X-AD: D822D100-4D89-11D4-BA48-0050DAC68030 X-ADF: 0 X-AUTO: X-ASN,X-ASH,X-AN,X-AP,X-AD X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: , "Mark Langford (E-mail)" Subject: Re: KR>liability X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: --------------Boundary-00=_FZRBRN00000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Our biggest problem isn't terrorism. In my opinion=0D it's an economy stifled by many factors, one of the biggest being the fea= r=0D of frivolous lawsuits.=0D >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=0D =0D If the terrorists were really smart, they would not form suicide bomber brigades, they would form TORT brigades and really bring our country to i= t's knees. I hope there are no terrorists listening.=0D =0D "It's the ECONOMY, stupid". =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_FZRBRN00000000000000-- --===============62537526241548536== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 12:36:24 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>liability Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11 >: Our biggest problem isn't terrorism. In my opinion >it's an economy stifled by many factors, one of the biggest being the fear >of frivolous lawsuits Boy, I sure am glad I don't practice thereby becoming a real bottom dweller:-) I guess you could say I'm a deep water lurker though. Now, why don't I practice with a JD............go pull out your yeller' pages and count the number of attorneys listed, now go the the Certified Public Accountant section and count those.........now look at the rest of the yellow pages at all the companies that need CPAs........I rest my case:-) The article posted is very well written and points out some things I wasn't aware of in regards to this issue. However, after all the fluff the negligence issue still raises it's ugly head. Did you hear the one about the attorney running for public office missing church............(boy, that ought to hit all the sore points:-) Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive . _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. 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