From: To: Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 93, Issue 3 Date: Friday, July 11, 2003 9:19 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: Kr builder list (David McKelvey4764) 2. Re: My KR2S (Dan Heath) 3. My info 4. Re: My KR2S (James R Freeman) 5. Re: ballistic chute (JOHN SAUNDERS) 6. group building (Oswaldo P. Silva Filho) 7. Steven Lemke's Todd Canopy (Dan Heath) 8. Re: My KR2S (Justin) 9. Re: KR LIST (Rick Wilson) 10. Re: Fun Friday.....Don't look Ethal!! (Dana Overall) 11. Engine needed (Dana Overall) 12. Re: floxing nut plates (Brian Kraut) 13. Re: software (Eduardo M. Iglesias) 14. Re: Re: software (James R Freeman) 15. Re: Re: software (James R Freeman) 16. Ken Rand Memorial (Mark Jones) 17. Oshkosh plans (Dana Overall) 18. Re: Oshkosh plans (Mark Jones) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:20:30 -0500 From: "David McKelvey4764" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: RE: KR>Kr builder list Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030711112939.00b6fd50@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 Get a grip Larry, it's a list of KR builders, nobody's gonna spam you. It's just a list of builders to referrence in the event you want to reach someone in your area. If you don't want to list your email address, don't give it, but it's already on the KRnet so what's your problem. Dave McKelvey, Grapevine, TX davmck@witty.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of larry severson Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 1:31 PM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Kr builder list I do not want my e-mail address posted on any web site. I already get objectionable spam! I do not want more! So I was thinking about putting together a list with names, location, type >project, and email address on my web site so that other builders can find >each >other easily. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:42:18 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>My KR2S Message-ID: <3F0F131A.000001.01936@Computer> References: <002901c347ba$91bc9410$61d91818@computer> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 2 RE: Sound like it would work to you guys?=0D =0D You had to ask, didn't you? Who knows if it will or won't. Probably, bu= t what do you have against wood? What it really sounds like to me, is, A L= OT OF WORK. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Friday, July 11, 2003 10:42:08 AM=0D To: KR builders and pilots=0D Subject: Re: KR>My KR2S=0D =0D As you might not know is that im not using typical plywood skins. I will = be=0D using fiberglass skins in a sandwhich form meaning im putting foam inbetw= een=0D the wood. I will varnish the entire airplane but only one coat on the=0D outsides that is sanded. Remember the fiberglass will bond to the foam=0D extremly well and the wood but say my wood isnt correct in some place, I=0D will fill the gap using flox which is stronger than the wood.=0D =0D Sound like it would work to you guys?=0D =0D Justin=0D ----- Original Message -----=0D From: "Mark Jones" =0D To: "KR builders and pilots" =0D Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 6:18 AM=0D Subject: Re: KR>My KR2S=0D =0D =0D > Justin.=0D > In the photo of your boat you state you are varnishing the wood. Do not= =0D > varnish it until you have skinned it, and completed the plywood gussets= =0D > around the main spar, added your rear bulkhead, etc. If you do, you wil= l=0D not=0D > get a good bond between the frame and skins. You are going to have to d= o a=0D > lot of sanding to get back to bare wood to skin the frame.=0D >=0D > Mark Jones (N886MJ)=0D > Wales, WI USA=0D > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com=0D > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at=0D > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html=0D >=0D >=0D > ----- Original Message -----=0D > From: "Justin" =0D > To: "KR builders and pilots" =0D > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 12:46 AM=0D > Subject: Re: KR>My KR2S=0D >=0D >=0D > > http://www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/kr2s.html=0D > >=0D > > Forgot the link=0D > > ----- Original Message -----=0D > > From: "Justin" =0D > > To: =0D > > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 12:46 AM=0D > > Subject: KR>My KR2S=0D > >=0D > >=0D > > Here is a link to my website. I just bought a digital camera and took= a=0D > few=0D > > pictures of my project with it. I had a bad experience with a normal=0D > camera,=0D > > the film place LOST my film which included all of my construction=0D photo's=0D > on=0D > > it so this digital camera will prevent that.=0D > >=0D > > Justin=0D > > _______________________________________________=0D > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D > >=0D > >=0D > >=0D > > _______________________________________________=0D > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D > _______________________________________________=0D > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D >=0D =0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2EFrom DanRH@alltel.net Fri Jul 11 12:52:24 2003 Received: from mta02.alltel.net ([166.102.165.144] helo=mta02-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19b3wO-0005qH-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:52:24 -0700 Received: from Computer ([151.213.93.71]) by mta02-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20030711195151.SOPJ1656.mta02-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:51:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3F0F1556.000003.01936@Computer> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:51:50 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" References: X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: Subject: Re: KR>Fun Friday.....Don't look Ethal!! Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: I ain't fair. Looks real good.. I say, as I drool all over myself.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D =0D http://rvflying.tripod.com/fuselage9.jpg=0D =0D You start from the spar center section and build back these last bulkhead= ,=0D where the HS and VS attach. As you assemble the fuselage, you start back=0D here and build forward. It was very, very cool for me to put this part of= =0D the airplane together.=0D =0D http://rvflying.tripod.com/fuselage10.jpg=0D =0D Anyway, after I took the above pics before lunch yesterday, I kept sneaki= ng=0D out of the office back to the shop so that I could complete these. Believ= e=0D it or not, it took a little time to fabricate the two angles of the side = of=0D each pedal, countersink, deburr and rivet the pedals together then get th= e=0D throw just right so both pedals sat neutral.=0D =0D =0D http://rvflying.tripod.com/fuselage11.jpg=0D =0D Anyway, it sure is fun to open the shop door and see this big ol thing=0D sitting there. As a note, I have had to fabricate more little parts so fa= r=0D than I had to in the entire emp. and wings together. Can I call myself a=0D measely little tiny bit airplane builder??=0D =0D How he sells this whole thing including all hardware, brakes, tailwheel,=0D fittings, canopy, rivet, nut bolt and every little fitting you can imagin= e=0D for 17.9 I'll never know.=0D =0D =0D Dana Overall=0D 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host=0D Richmond, KY=0D RV-7 slider/fuselage=0D Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments=0D http://rvflying.tripod.com=0D do not archive=0D =0D _________________________________________________________________=0D MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*.=0D http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/virus=0D =0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2EFrom larry2@socal.rr.com Fri Jul 11 13:38:12 2003 Received: from orngca-mls01.socal.rr.com ([66.75.160.16]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19b4ei-0007d4-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:38:12 -0700 Received: from SteveCanyon.socal.rr.com (cpe-66-75-117-49.socal.rr.com [66.75.117.49]) by orngca-mls01.socal.rr.com (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h6BKYbM10933 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:34:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030711133442.00ba6490@pop-server.socal.rr.com> X-Sender: larry2@pop-server.socal.rr.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:37:36 -0700 To: KR builders and pilots From: larry severson Subject: RE: KR>Kr builder list In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030711112939.00b6fd50@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: At 02:20 PM 7/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Get a grip Larry, it's a list of KR builders, nobody's gonna spam you. The KR builder's net is different from a web page, at least it was. Web crawlers (used by spammers) gather data from web pages, but not e-mail usually. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:45:28 EDT From: Kr2sN506KR@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>My info Message-ID: <184.1dd51ebd.2c407be8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Some seem to be complaining about my info so here it is: CHRIS THEROUX GILBERT, AZ . Link to my temporary site and THE LIST! http://hometown.aol.com/kr2sn506kr/myhomepage/profile.html And my aol member profile is not blank! Again I am making the list for the people that want it. If you DO NOT want it, then DO NOT send my an email with you info. I WILL NOT post you on the list unless you send me an email directly saying: ADD ME TO YOUR LIST, HERE IS MY INFO: NAME LOCATION PROJECT TYPE / ENGINE EMAIL ADDRESS Thanks again! Chris Theroux Gilbert, AZ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:24:18 -0400 From: James R Freeman To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>My KR2S Message-ID: <026a01c347f2$ca931380$d1b774cc@HPlaptop> References: <002901c347ba$91bc9410$61d91818@computer> <3F0F131A.000001.01936@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 If You have prob. CALL 1-606-376-3371 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 3:42 PM Subject: Re: KR>My KR2S RE: Sound like it would work to you guys? You had to ask, didn't you? Who knows if it will or won't. Probably, but what do you have against wood? What it really sounds like to me, is, A LOT OF WORK. N64KR Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Red Oak - 2003 See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org -------Original Message------- From: KR builders and pilots Date: Friday, July 11, 2003 10:42:08 AM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>My KR2S As you might not know is that im not using typical plywood skins. I will be using fiberglass skins in a sandwhich form meaning im putting foam inbetween the wood. I will varnish the entire airplane but only one coat on the outsides that is sanded. Remember the fiberglass will bond to the foam extremly well and the wood but say my wood isnt correct in some place, I will fill the gap using flox which is stronger than the wood. Sound like it would work to you guys? Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 6:18 AM Subject: Re: KR>My KR2S > Justin. > In the photo of your boat you state you are varnishing the wood. Do not > varnish it until you have skinned it, and completed the plywood gussets > around the main spar, added your rear bulkhead, etc. If you do, you will not > get a good bond between the frame and skins. You are going to have to do a > lot of sanding to get back to bare wood to skin the frame. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Justin" > To: "KR builders and pilots" > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 12:46 AM > Subject: Re: KR>My KR2S > > > > http://www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/kr2s.html > > > > Forgot the link > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Justin" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 12:46 AM > > Subject: KR>My KR2S > > > > > > Here is a link to my website. I just bought a digital camera and took a > few > > pictures of my project with it. I had a bad experience with a normal > camera, > > the film place LOST my film which included all of my construction photo's > on > > it so this digital camera will prevent that. > > > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ._______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:49:23 -0400 From: JOHN SAUNDERS To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>ballistic chute Message-ID: <3F0F3EF3.95B59753@ns.sympatico.ca> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 I want your chute!! Please send model # and brief description of mounting method. I was hoping to mount a BRS under the aft deck and have the mounting cables attached to the main spar via straps/cables routed under the wing fillets. Cheers, John. WILLIAM HUNTLEY wrote: > I have a BRS chute with KR mounting kit . $3000.00 value for $1300.00. > Still in its box. I switched to Glastar > Bill Huntley > 906-864-0347_______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:29:50 -0300 From: "Oswaldo P. Silva Filho" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>group building Message-ID: <00bf01c347fb$f17c1470$91d598c8@OSWALDO> References: <3F0F3EF3.95B59753@ns.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 Hi list: Here is Oswaldo, from Rio de Janeiro, and I would like to hear your opinions about the idea of somultaneously building 3 or 4 Kr's in the same site. Our main objetives are sharing the space, tools, helping/encouraging each other, bulk purchases of materials, etc. What are your thougths/opinions? Do you think this kind of arrangement can work? Regards Oswaldo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:45:56 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: KR>Steven Lemke's Todd Canopy Message-ID: <3F0F3E24.000003.03412@Computer> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 7 You can see pics of a Todd Canopy on Steven Lemke's KR2S without passing = GO, by clicking on...=0D =0D =0D http://kr-builder.org/StevenLemke/index.html =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From DanRH@alltel.net Fri Jul 11 15:54:33 2003 Received: from mta02.alltel.net ([166.102.165.144] helo=mta02-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19b6mf-000AOL-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:54:33 -0700 Received: from Computer ([151.213.94.185]) by mta02-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20030711225400.UOUX1656.mta02-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:54:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3F0F4004.000005.03412@Computer> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:53:56 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" References: <00bf01c347fb$f17c1470$91d598c8@OSWALDO> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: Subject: Re: KR>group building Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Yes, I definitely think it can work. In fact, that would be a most efficient to build. Look on page 45 of the July issue of Sport Aviation.= A group in EAA Chapter 292 built 14 Nieuport 11s. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Friday, July 11, 2003 6:30:42 PM=0D To: KR builders and pilots=0D Subject: KR>group building=0D =0D Hi list:=0D =0D Here is Oswaldo, from Rio de Janeiro, and I would like to hear your opini= ons=0D about the=0D idea of somultaneously building 3 or 4 Kr's in the same site.=0D =0D Our main objetives are sharing the space, tools, helping/encouraging each= =0D other, bulk purchases of materials, etc.=0D =0D What are your thougths/opinions? Do you think this kind of arrangement ca= n=0D work?=0D =0D Regards=0D =0D Oswaldo=0D =0D =0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2EFrom davmck4764@verizon.net Fri Jul 11 16:00:05 2003 Received: from out006pub.verizon.net ([206.46.170.106] helo=out006.verizon.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)id 19b6s1-000Ajc-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:00:05 -0700 Received: from k9 ([4.63.65.152]) by out006.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030711225932.LUD16647.out006.verizon.net@k9> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:59:32 -0500 From: "David McKelvey4764" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: RE: KR>group building Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:00:38 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <00bf01c347fb$f17c1470$91d598c8@OSWALDO> Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [4.63.65.152] at Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:59:32 -0500 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Are you kidding, I think that's a great idea. It's always easier to do something the second time, you'll benefiet from a lot of tial and error. Good luck!! Dave McKelvey, Grapevine, TX davmck@witty.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Oswaldo P. Silva Filho Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 5:30 PM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>group building Hi list: Here is Oswaldo, from Rio de Janeiro, and I would like to hear your opinions about the idea of somultaneously building 3 or 4 Kr's in the same site. Our main objetives are sharing the space, tools, helping/encouraging each other, bulk purchases of materials, etc. What are your thougths/opinions? Do you think this kind of arrangement can work? Regards Oswaldo _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:49:20 -0500 From: "Justin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>My KR2S Message-ID: <001d01c34807$0c67b540$61d91818@computer> References: <002901c347ba$91bc9410$61d91818@computer> <3F0F131A.000001.01936@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 I dont feel that plywood is a good choice. I know it is proven for many years but why not make it stronger and most likley lighter using fiberglass to get a perfect smooth finsh? It's not as if im changing the airframe to accept the fiberglass, it is still a stock KR2S airframe unlike the other fiberglass boats which make complex shapes. It's actually not much work to use this fiberglass skinning. I draw on the foam and cut it out, it will take me about an hour to do the whole fuselage and then applying the glass (2 people) will be about another hour X 2 (inside and out). Sanding the foam will take a few hours. I did a test with the glass and the wood being varnished completly and then sanded down. The results were as expected. The fully varnished wood was mearly bardly holding on while the sanded wood (cleaning it first) stuck to the point where I could not pull it apart. Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 2:42 PM Subject: Re: KR>My KR2S RE: Sound like it would work to you guys? You had to ask, didn't you? Who knows if it will or won't. Probably, but what do you have against wood? What it really sounds like to me, is, A LOT OF WORK. N64KR Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Red Oak - 2003 See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org -------Original Message------- From: KR builders and pilots Date: Friday, July 11, 2003 10:42:08 AM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>My KR2S As you might not know is that im not using typical plywood skins. I will be using fiberglass skins in a sandwhich form meaning im putting foam inbetween the wood. I will varnish the entire airplane but only one coat on the outsides that is sanded. Remember the fiberglass will bond to the foam extremly well and the wood but say my wood isnt correct in some place, I will fill the gap using flox which is stronger than the wood. Sound like it would work to you guys? Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 6:18 AM Subject: Re: KR>My KR2S > Justin. > In the photo of your boat you state you are varnishing the wood. Do not > varnish it until you have skinned it, and completed the plywood gussets > around the main spar, added your rear bulkhead, etc. If you do, you will not > get a good bond between the frame and skins. You are going to have to do a > lot of sanding to get back to bare wood to skin the frame. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Justin" > To: "KR builders and pilots" > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 12:46 AM > Subject: Re: KR>My KR2S > > > > http://www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/kr2s.html > > > > Forgot the link > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Justin" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 12:46 AM > > Subject: KR>My KR2S > > > > > > Here is a link to my website. I just bought a digital camera and took a > few > > pictures of my project with it. I had a bad experience with a normal > camera, > > the film place LOST my film which included all of my construction photo's > on > > it so this digital camera will prevent that. > > > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ._______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:50:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Wilson To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>KR LIST Message-ID: <20030711235005.72307.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1cd.d84ee7a.2c402697@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 9 You would probably have better results if ANYONE knew who you were. Rick Wilson. --- WA7YXF@aol.com wrote: > please email me your info, i.e. name, > location, type project, and of course you email > address to; > Kr2sN506KR@aol.com > > More than once Kr2sN506KR@aol.com Has asked for > this information without > identifying himself . > > N506KR is not a registered "N" number. > Kr2sN506KR@aol.com is not listed in the AOL Member > directory. > Kr2sN506KR@aol.com AOL Member Profile is also > blank. > > Lynn Hyder N37LH > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ===== Rick Wilson, Haleyville, Alabama KR2-0200A -99% rwdw2002@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 20:45:30 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Fun Friday.....Don't look Ethal!! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10 >From: "Dan Heath" >I ain't fair. Looks real good.. I say, as I drool all over myself. > Yeah, I did a lot of that when I opened the fuselage crate. I still mess my shirt up when I poke my head into the shop. Keep on building gang, when you fly something you build it's going to be grinning out the ying yang!! Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive >From: "Dan Heath" >I ain't fair. Looks real good.. I say, as I drool all over myself. > _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 20:49:25 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Engine needed Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11 Gang, if anyone know someone with an O-320 160HP constant speed or an O-360 either fixed pitch or constant speed, let me know. I am in the market big time. Anytime one comes up on the RV list, it's gone in a matter of days. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 20:53:55 -0400 From: Brian Kraut To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>floxing nut plates Message-ID: <3F0F5C23.4040304@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.6.32.20030710173751.00833670@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 Good idea. larry flesner wrote: > and used thick flox being carefull not to get any in the threads. >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > >Getting epoxy/flox in the threads of a nut plate can make for >a bad day as you try to remove the epoxy with a bolt or >thread cutter. A trick that worked for me when floxing nuts >and nut plates was to use nylon bolts of the same size as >the metal bolts intended for final assembly and screw them >into the nuts/nut plates until the epoxy cured. This keeps >the threads clean and the epoxy won"t stick to the nylon. >Simply remove the nylon bolt and install the steel one. > >This also helps to hold the buried nut or nut plate in correct >position during curing. Your results may vary. :-) > >I spent the afternoon installing my ELT and remote switch. >I'm coming down the home stretch headed for the paint booth!! > >Larry Flesner > > > >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:59:05 -0300 From: "Eduardo M. Iglesias" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Re: software Message-ID: <000701c34819$48e5ae20$d862fea9@portatil> References: <000e01c3476f$bf0c1d50$61d91818@computer> <001d01c3476f$d0e69460$61d91818@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 Dear netters Some of you knows some program to plot airfoils? I need it for the construction of my propeller and I don't find it here. Thank you Eduardo --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:01:05 -0400 From: James R Freeman To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Re: software Message-ID: <02fe01c34821$da0e5980$d1b774cc@HPlaptop> References: <000e01c3476f$bf0c1d50$61d91818@computer> <001d01c3476f$d0e69460$61d91818@computer> <000701c34819$48e5ae20$d862fea9@portatil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 Try http://www.jcpropellerdesign.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eduardo M Iglesias" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 9:59 PM Subject: KR>Re: software > Dear netters > Some of you knows some program to plot airfoils? I need it for the > construction of my propeller and I don't find it here. > Thank you > Eduardo > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:18:13 -0400 From: James R Freeman To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Re: software Message-ID: <035d01c34824$3bc6c250$d1b774cc@HPlaptop> References: <000e01c3476f$bf0c1d50$61d91818@computer> <001d01c3476f$d0e69460$61d91818@computer> <000701c34819$48e5ae20$d862fea9@portatil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15 try http://www.mh-aerotools.de/airfoils/javaprop.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eduardo M Iglesias" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 9:59 PM Subject: KR>Re: software > Dear netters > Some of you knows some program to plot airfoils? I need it for the > construction of my propeller and I don't find it here. > Thank you > Eduardo > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:45:16 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Subject: KR>Ken Rand Memorial Message-ID: <00be01c34828$0484a740$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 16 I was at Oshkosh again today and things are really happening there. = Planes are starting to get set up for static display. The flymarket is = ready for the vendors. Concessions are popping up everywhere. Fresh = paint smell is in the air. Mowers are going like crazy. Campers are = starting to claim their spots. The excitement is everywhere. The Ken = Rand Memorial Plaque is in place on the Memorial Wall along with all the = other new names. The dedication ceremony is August 3, 2003 at 11am. I = will be there since I headed this project up and hope others will attend = also. For all of you who donated to this cause to make this happen, I = commend you and Thank You for your generosity. Check the link below to = see the plaque. http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/memorial.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:58:49 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Oshkosh plans Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 17 OK, time to start putting the Oshkosh plans together on a serious note. What time is the KR forum on Weds.? Mark Jones and I really would like to know how many KRNet members are planning on attending Oshkosh on Weds. I'm thinking, but open to discussion, a beer and brats open air dinner for the KRNet gang along with any KR pilots who make it to Oshkosh. If some of the people who simply attend the forum catch wind, well so be it. How does everyone feel about this line of thinking? I'm just thinking there are a lot of "squatters" at all these forums, as I spoke at one KR forum at SNF. Is the KR forum going to be held in the same area the one on the new wing was a couple years ago? Next line of questions. I am not as familiar with Oshkosh as Sun & Fun in that I worked a couple years in the ground advisor tower there. Are there any good spots to cook out that we can get close to with vehicles? Beer and brats, along with coolers and grills are a load to carry. Don't ask me how I know. I have a great Coleman, Thermos........whoever it is, Grill as you go that will handle all the cooking. I'm either going to be camping in homebuilt camping or the big ol parking lot known as Camp Scheeler (sp), probably homebuilt camping. Seriously now, we would like some comments and a rough hand count on who is going to be at Oshkosh on Weds. Once again, so many people on these lists make comments they would like to put faces to names off a forum. Here is a great chance to do just that. Myself and Mark Langford and now Mark Jones have been involved in putting together basement KR gatherings, an east coast gathering, SNF group rates at motels, a couple national gatherings, along with a couple SNF very informal get togethers. I rank these well up on my flying experiences. If at all possible be there, you will find we all have something in common and conversation flows as if friends for years and, I hate this word but, fellowship in common and that is this love in building these flying machines that the uninformed think we are nuts to do. Chime it, let's talk about this. I am keeping my fingers crossed my Dynon unit will be in before I leave. If it is, we will do some great glass cockpit flying as it is all electric with an internal battery. Check out dynondevelopment.com or http://rvproject.com/20030709.html?updated Three cases is enough for me............just don't know about the rest of you (yeah, right maybe my college days but now three in one night is enough to do me in, Oshkosh is a different story though:-) Anybody who sees Melody Mountains, please let her know about the plans (you really have to be an old timer on the KRNet to know this joke......OH, sorry Melody, I mean KR groupee...........sorry, I mean KR enthusiast) Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:17:01 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Oshkosh plans Message-ID: <00d501c3482c$720b2600$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18 So far, including myself, Dana and Mark L., three other KR builders have said they will attend the beer and brats cook out. As far as I know you can grill just about anywhere....we could even do a tailgate party in the parking lot. I will stop by the convention headquarters next week and ask them for suggestions. The KR forum being presented by Jim Faughn and Mark Langford is on Wednesday July 30th at 2:30 pm in forum pavilion 10 (US Tools). As Dana asked...PLEASE let us know if you plan on attending the beer and brats cookout. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" To: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 10:58 PM Subject: KR>Oshkosh plans > OK, time to start putting the Oshkosh plans together on a serious note. > What time is the KR forum on Weds.? Mark Jones and I really would like to > know how many KRNet members are planning on attending Oshkosh on Weds. I'm > thinking, but open to discussion, a beer and brats open air dinner for the > KRNet gang along with any KR pilots who make it to Oshkosh. If some of the > people who simply attend the forum catch wind, well so be it. How does > everyone feel about this line of thinking? I'm just thinking there are a > lot of "squatters" at all these forums, as I spoke at one KR forum at SNF. > Is the KR forum going to be held in the same area the one on the new wing > was a couple years ago? > > Next line of questions. I am not as familiar with Oshkosh as Sun & Fun in > that I worked a couple years in the ground advisor tower there. Are there > any good spots to cook out that we can get close to with vehicles? Beer and > brats, along with coolers and grills are a load to carry. Don't ask me how > I know. I have a great Coleman, Thermos........whoever it is, Grill as you > go that will handle all the cooking. I'm either going to be camping in > homebuilt camping or the big ol parking lot known as Camp Scheeler (sp), > probably homebuilt camping. > > Seriously now, we would like some comments and a rough hand count on who is > going to be at Oshkosh on Weds. Once again, so many people on these lists > make comments they would like to put faces to names off a forum. Here is a > great chance to do just that. > > Myself and Mark Langford and now Mark Jones have been involved in putting > together basement KR gatherings, an east coast gathering, SNF group rates at > motels, a couple national gatherings, along with a couple SNF very informal > get togethers. I rank these well up on my flying experiences. If at all > possible be there, you will find we all have something in common and > conversation flows as if friends for years and, I hate this word but, > fellowship in common and that is this love in building these flying machines > that the uninformed think we are nuts to do. > > Chime it, let's talk about this. > > I am keeping my fingers crossed my Dynon unit will be in before I leave. If > it is, we will do some great glass cockpit flying as it is all electric with > an internal battery. Check out dynondevelopment.com or > http://rvproject.com/20030709.html?updated > > > Three cases is enough for me............just don't know about the rest of > you (yeah, right maybe my college days but now three in one night is enough > to do me in, Oshkosh is a different story though:-) > > Anybody who sees Melody Mountains, please let her know about the plans (you > really have to be an old timer on the KRNet to know this joke......OH, sorry > Melody, I mean KR groupee...........sorry, I mean KR enthusiast) > > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering > Richmond, KY > RV-7 slider/fuselage > Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments > http://rvflying.tripod.com > do not archive > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 93, Issue 3 ************************************