From: To: Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 113, Issue 1 Date: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:10 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. VW engine mount (larry severson) 2. KR2 project for sale - Calif (Scott Bailey) 3. Photo of Week (Mark Jones) 4. Re: Photo of Week (Dan Heath) 5. Re: selling KR 2S Plans 6. Re: selling KR 2S Plans 7. KR REGISTRATION IN CANADA (JOHN SAUNDERS) 8. Re: Re: KR>selling KR 2S Plans (Jack Cooper) 9. Re: KR REGISTRATION IN CANADA (Jim Sellars) 10. Re: selling KR 2S Plans (Jim Morehead) 11. Oshkosh (Patrick Krause) 12. Re: Re: KR>selling KR 2S Plans (Jack Cooper) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:39:42 -0700 From: larry severson To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>VW engine mount Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030730143437.03364bc8@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 I have a plans built KR2 engine mount, and a rolling stand that can hold the mount and engine (plus rotate the engine 360 degrees for working on the engine). Does any in So. Cal. want it? While I would like to trade it for aileron fixtures and wood, I will let it go free. The whole system is not suitable for shipping. I do not wish to bother shipping the mount at this price. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:12:32 -0700 From: "Scott Bailey" To: Subject: KR>KR2 project for sale - Calif Message-ID: <00a901c35711$95c608f0$b52dae40@frontlinegroup.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Netters, I'm paring down to one KR project - that means my other has to go: Here's what it consists of: - KR2 in boat stage - well built - On Diehl gear (tail dragger) - With Diehl wing skins (both stub and outer wings) - some flight instrumentation - w/converted VW engine (low time) - Also have 100 hp EA81 Subaru long blocks (Japanese truck version) too, if interested. (wanted to use in the KR but ran out of time) My asking price is $3500 for the project plus engine. I don't want to sell parts, if I can help it. This would be a great way for someone to take a short cut to a completed plane. I'd be happy to provide more details and photos to interested parties. Scott Bailey (650) 637-1992 San Fran area sbailey@mandelcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:40:12 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Subject: KR>Photo of Week Message-ID: <002701c35715$736da0c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 3 I have just updated my Photo of the Week and you have got to see what I = did to the rudder...check it out !!! http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/photo.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 05:47:26 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>Photo of Week Message-ID: <3F28E5AE.000001.03696@Computer> References: <002701c35715$736da0c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 Mark,=0D =0D I hope that doesn't throw your W&B off. You might be a little tail heavy there. LOL...=0D =0D Cool picture. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 11:36:11 PM=0D To: KR Net=0D Subject: KR>Photo of Week=0D =0D I have just updated my Photo of the Week and you have got to see what I d= id to the rudder...check it out !!!=0D http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/photo.html=0D =0D Mark Jones (N886MJ)=0D Wales, WI USA=0D E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com=0D Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at=0D http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html=0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2EFrom patrick36@usfamily.net Thu Jul 31 05:24:58 2003 Received: from gv-m3.usfamily.net ([207.225.145.204]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19iCUM-000KOf-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 05:24:58 -0700 Received: from [207.218.44.111] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.0.1) with SMTP id com for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:24:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from patrick36@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <000701c3575e$68ee5ce0$6f2cdacf@oemcomputer> From: "Patrick Driscoll" To: "KR builders and pilots" References: <002701c35715$736da0c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Subject: Re: KR>Photo of Week Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:22:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Before the photo downloaded all the way, I thought we'd be seeing you on TV at Reno NV next year. Pat Driscoll ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:30:51 -0400 From: virgnvs@juno.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>selling KR 2S Plans Message-ID: <20030731.100048.-162227.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 You use the same # but you are the new owner, Virg On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:28:37 -0600 cartera writes: > Hi Guy, > I bought my plans second hand and no a/c was built off them, I > asked > Jeanette for a new number but she refused to I applied my own > without > any problems for the powers that be. But this was in Canada. > Happy Flying and a good time at Airventure > > larry flesner wrote: > > >>Larry; You can sell them but if you built an airplane from them > the new > >>owner isn't entitled to build a second airplane. If you haven't > built a KR > > > >>from them the new owner can register with RR as a new builder and > they will > > > >>give him/her a new registration no. and any outstanding updates. > >>W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > I recall the seller in the original post indicated he had > purchased > > the plans several years ago and had never started constructon. > > That was the info on which I based my comments. You are > > right, the purchase of a set of plans allows for the constructon > > of one aircraft. I doubt if anyone would ever be challenged on > > building more but it wouldn't be legally "playing fair" with the > > designer. > > > > Larry Flesner > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > -- > Adrian > cartera@cuug.ab.ca > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury Amsoil www.lubedealer.com/salisbury ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:32:30 -0400 From: virgnvs@juno.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>selling KR 2S Plans Message-ID: <20030731.100048.-162227.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 Ease off guys. Enough, Virg On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:15:08 -0500 "Max Hardberger" writes: > Since my business deals with contracts, I can add to this discussion > that > the covenant to build only one aircraft per set of plans purchased > is > enforceable only against the original purchaser. If he violates the > terms of > his purchase contract by selling the plans, that is a matter between > him and > his contracting partner (here, RR). Anyone who buys the plans from > him is > violating no laws, and is not even violating a contract, since the > second > purchaser has no contract with RR. Even language on the plans > themselves-- > "For one A/C only" or something like that--has no effect on the > second > purchaser. > > As to the morality of buying used plans, that's a question for a > priest, not > a lawyer. I can only say that the second purchaser has violated no > laws or > contract. > > The above is for general reference only and is not meant to be legal > advice. > > Max Hardberger > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury Amsoil www.lubedealer.com/salisbury ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 12:23:36 -0400 From: JOHN SAUNDERS To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>KR REGISTRATION IN CANADA Message-ID: <3F294288.7F8AB8FC@ns.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 Have any Canadian builders registered their KR as a 'High performance Ultra-light'? Does the RR published stall speed of 52miles per hour mean full flap or clean? Do you think the KR would fit the stall requirements for Advanced Ultra-light? ( Vso < 45mph / Vs1 flaps retracted <60mph) Thanks, John Saunders KR2SX Boat stage Greenwood, NS Canada ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:33:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack Cooper To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: Re: KR>selling KR 2S Plans Message-ID: <6817984.1059669793010.JavaMail.nobody@fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 I bought a used set of plans for a KR-2S and registered them with Jeanette with no problem. I then bought a KR-2 boat and received the plans with it. Since then I have sent the registration information to Jeanette two times and havent heard from her. If she is refusing to register used plans I wish she would just say so rather than just ignore the request. I may have to register my KR-2 as a KR-2S Jack Cooper mailto:kr2cooper@earthlink.net -------Original Message------- From: virgnvs@juno.com Sent: 07/31/03 09:30 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>selling KR 2S Plans > > You use the same # but you are the new owner, Virg On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:28:37 -0600 cartera writes: > Hi Guy, > I bought my plans second hand and no a/c was built off them, I > asked > Jeanette for a new number but she refused to I applied my own > without > any problems for the powers that be. But this was in Canada. > Happy Flying and a good time at Airventure > > larry flesner wrote: > > >>Larry; You can sell them but if you built an airplane from them > the new > >>owner isn't entitled to build a second airplane. If you haven't > built a KR > > > >>from them the new owner can register with RR as a new builder and > they will > > > >>give him/her a new registration no. and any outstanding updates. > >>W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > I recall the seller in the original post indicated he had > purchased > > the plans several years ago and had never started constructon. > > That was the info on which I based my comments. You are > > right, the purchase of a set of plans allows for the constructon > > of one aircraft. I doubt if anyone would ever be challenged on > > building more but it wouldn't be legally "playing fair" with the > > designer. > > > > Larry Flesner > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > -- > Adrian > cartera@cuug.ab.ca > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury Amsoil www.lubedealer.com/salisbury _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:19:56 -0300 From: "Jim Sellars" To: , "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>KR REGISTRATION IN CANADA Message-ID: <005001c35787$f82d5db0$83a89aa5@LAPTOP> References: <3F294288.7F8AB8FC@ns.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 John: Have you see Kevin Ladden at Stanley? He has a KR2 with the big VW engine and fixed tail dragger. Just though you might like to go talk with him some. I have a trike Subaru at Havelock. Anyway about your question, go to DOT and get them to give you the calculation for stall speed that they use to confirm the published or reported stall numbers. It is an equation that will give you a stall speed as low as you want dependant on square foot wing area and weight of the aircraft when flying. If you make it really light and add good wingtips, it is possible to see a "in landing configuration" stall of less then 45mph that is called for. I have had this discussion but still prefer to register as an amateur built, since ultralight has passenger and other restrictions that may restrict my plans. Anyway why don't you get some of the people together at Greenwood to come over Saturday to the Havelock annual fly-in? Free overnight camping and the best aviation event in the Maritimes, food, country music, airplanes and great folks you can't beat it. Hope to see yah, Jim Sellars ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN SAUNDERS" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 1:23 PM Subject: KR>KR REGISTRATION IN CANADA > Have any Canadian builders registered their KR as a 'High performance > Ultra-light'? Does the RR published stall speed of 52miles per hour mean > full flap or clean? Do you think the KR would fit the stall requirements > for Advanced Ultra-light? ( Vso < 45mph / Vs1 flaps retracted <60mph) > Thanks, > John Saunders > KR2SX > Boat stage > Greenwood, NS > Canada > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:59:03 -0700 From: Jim Morehead To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>selling KR 2S Plans Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6817984.1059669793010.JavaMail.nobody@fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 The set of plans I bought from RR has a number that has been assigned to someone else. I have contacted her by phone and have written to her two times even sending her a copy of the plan book page showing the registration number. I have asked if she would assign a new number. This has been Months ago. Still no response. I would to like get this taken care of before I try to register my project. Any suggestions? Jim Morehead Cameron Park, CA Wings ready to be primed See you in Red Oak. on 7/31/03 6:33 AM, Jack Cooper at kr2cooper@earthlink.net wrote: > I bought a used set of plans for a KR-2S and registered them with Jeanette > with no problem. I then bought a KR-2 boat and received the plans with it. > Since then I have sent the registration information to Jeanette two times and > havent heard from her. If she is refusing to register used plans I wish she > would just say so rather than just ignore the request. I may have to register > my KR-2 as a KR-2S > Jack Cooper > mailto:kr2cooper@earthlink.net > > -------Original Message------- > From: virgnvs@juno.com > Sent: 07/31/03 09:30 AM > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: Re: KR>selling KR 2S Plans > >> >> You use the same # but you are the new owner, Virg > > On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:28:37 -0600 cartera writes: >> Hi Guy, >> I bought my plans second hand and no a/c was built off them, I >> asked >> Jeanette for a new number but she refused to I applied my own >> without >> any problems for the powers that be. But this was in Canada. >> Happy Flying and a good time at Airventure >> >> larry flesner wrote: >> >>>> Larry; You can sell them but if you built an airplane from them >> the new >>>> owner isn't entitled to build a second airplane. If you haven't >> built a KR >>> >>>> from them the new owner can register with RR as a new builder and >> they will >>> >>>> give him/her a new registration no. and any outstanding updates. >>>> W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND >>> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> I recall the seller in the original post indicated he had >> purchased >>> the plans several years ago and had never started constructon. >>> That was the info on which I based my comments. You are >>> right, the purchase of a set of plans allows for the constructon >>> of one aircraft. I doubt if anyone would ever be challenged on >>> building more but it wouldn't be legally "playing fair" with the >>> designer. >>> >>> Larry Flesner >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html >>> >> >> -- >> Adrian >> cartera@cuug.ab.ca >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html >> >> > > > Virgil N. Salisbury Amsoil > www.lubedealer.com/salisbury > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:05:45 -0700 From: "Patrick Krause" To: Subject: KR>Oshkosh Message-ID: <69650E3784F08D459F4DBA9E9F7CD69C1E9B61@sfoexc.itconvergence.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 11 I'm going to Oshkosh on Sunday. Will anyone with a KR still be there? =20 Patrick Krause=09 415-505-6567 cell phone ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:39:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack Cooper To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: Re: KR>selling KR 2S Plans Message-ID: <7695058.1059677403136.JavaMail.nobody@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 I plan on taking my plan registration information with me to Red Oak. Jeanette is usually at the gathering. There I will put it into her hand and then it will be interesting to see if it gets registered. If you are going to the gathering I suggest that we get together and present her with the info at the same time. If you are not going send me copies of it and I will give it to her personally. Email me off net if you need my address. Jack Cooper mailto:kr2cooper@earthlink.net -------Original Message------- From: Jim Morehead Sent: 07/31/03 01:59 PM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>selling KR 2S Plans > > The set of plans I bought from RR has a number that has been assigned to someone else. I have contacted her by phone and have written to her two times even sending her a copy of the plan book page showing the registration number. I have asked if she would assign a new number. This has been Months ago. Still no response. I would to like get this taken care of before I try to register my project. Any suggestions? Jim Morehead Cameron Park, CA Wings ready to be primed See you in Red Oak. on 7/31/03 6:33 AM, Jack Cooper at kr2cooper@earthlink.net wrote: > I bought a used set of plans for a KR-2S and registered them with Jeanette > with no problem. I then bought a KR-2 boat and received the plans with it. > Since then I have sent the registration information to Jeanette two times and > havent heard from her. If she is refusing to register used plans I wish she > would just say so rather than just ignore the request. I may have to register > my KR-2 as a KR-2S > Jack Cooper > mailto:kr2cooper@earthlink.net > > -------Original Message------- > From: virgnvs@juno.com > Sent: 07/31/03 09:30 AM > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: Re: KR>selling KR 2S Plans > >> >> You use the same # but you are the new owner, Virg > > On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:28:37 -0600 cartera writes: >> Hi Guy, >> I bought my plans second hand and no a/c was built off them, I >> asked >> Jeanette for a new number but she refused to I applied my own >> without >> any problems for the powers that be. But this was in Canada. >> Happy Flying and a good time at Airventure >> >> larry flesner wrote: >> >>>> Larry; You can sell them but if you built an airplane from them >> the new >>>> owner isn't entitled to build a second airplane. If you haven't >> built a KR >>> >>>> from them the new owner can register with RR as a new builder and >> they will >>> >>>> give him/her a new registration no. and any outstanding updates. >>>> W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND >>> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> I recall the seller in the original post indicated he had >> purchased >>> the plans several years ago and had never started constructon. >>> That was the info on which I based my comments. You are >>> right, the purchase of a set of plans allows for the constructon >>> of one aircraft. I doubt if anyone would ever be challenged on >>> building more but it wouldn't be legally "playing fair" with the >>> designer. >>> >>> Larry Flesner >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html >>> >> >> -- >> Adrian >> cartera@cuug.ab.ca >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html >> >> > > > Virgil N. Salisbury Amsoil > www.lubedealer.com/salisbury > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 113, Issue 1 *************************************