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Today's Topics: 1. Re: Building a KR-2 (Robert Stone) 2. Hinges (Bob Glidden) 3. Re: Hinges (Mark Langford) 4. Re: Building a KR-2 (Dan Heath) 5. Fixed verses retract (Gavin Donohoe) 6. KR2 project. (Roger H. Reese) 7. Re: Fixed verses retract (Robert Sather) 8. Re: Fixed verses retract (Dan Heath) 9. Re: Fixed verses retract (larry flesner) 10. Re: Fixed verses retract (Mark Langford) 11. Re: Fixed verses retract (Robert Sather) 12. Re: P.S. to looking for a flyable (Robert Stone) 13. [Fwd: Aviation News] (Brian Kraut) 14. Re: Fixed verses retract ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 14:40:28 -0500 From: "Robert Stone" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Building a KR-2 Message-ID: <001a01c35eae$16a469a0$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> References: <1da.f088683.2c6688c8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 Dan, Build a KR-2S rather than a KR-2. The KR-2S is an improvement over the KR-2 and much more stable in flight. I built and flew a KR-2 years ago when the "S" did not exist but if I were building today it would definitely be the KR-2S. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 12:26 PM Subject: KR>Building a KR-2 > I'm thinking about building a kr-2. Looking for somebody in or around > Connecticut who is building or has one. I'd like to see one before I purchase A > kit. Thanks > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 15:04:36 -0500 From: "Bob Glidden" To: "Krnet" Subject: KR>Hinges Message-ID: <03cc01c35eb1$755a7270$0500000a@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 2 Can anyone tell me where to go to for Dr.Deans hinge system for the = alerons. Bob Glidden KR2s N181FW Corvair powerFrom n56ml@hiwaay.net Sat Aug 09 13:07:06 2003 Received: from ant.hiwaay.net ([216.180.54.10] helo=mail.hiwaay.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19lZzW-000Doe-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 13:07:06 -0700 Received: from basement (user-24-214-88-148.knology.net [24.214.88.148]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h79K7owC974562 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 15:07:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <2e2301c35eb2$12ab6d40$1202a8c0@basement> From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" References: <03cc01c35eb1$755a7270$0500000a@computer> Subject: Re: KR>Hinges Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 15:09:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Bob Glidden wrote: > Can anyone tell me where to go to for Dr.Deans hinge system for the alerons. Yep, go to http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/dean_hinge/ Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 15:21:03 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Hinges Message-ID: <2e2d01c35eb3$c1f1ebc0$1202a8c0@basement> References: <03cc01c35eb1$755a7270$0500000a@computer> <2e2301c35eb2$12ab6d40$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 I wrote: > Yep, go to http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/dean_hinge/ But that's not for ailerons, it's for elevator and rudder, although I suppose is would work for ailerons if thought out properly. I would think it's hard to beat piano hinges for that job though, since they also act as an upper gap seal. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 17:44:03 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>Building a KR-2 Message-ID: <3F356B23.000001.03784@Computer> References: <001a01c35eae$16a469a0$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 RE: Build a KR-2S rather than a KR-2. The KR-2S is an improvement =0D =0D =0D =0D I agree. If I were starting today, it would be an S. I see no reason to build the 2 when the 2S is available except that it does seem to be a bit slower given the same power plant. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From bob@flyboybob.com Sat Aug 09 15:41:40 2003 Received: from mail.support1.net ([65.39.203.11]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19lcP5-000Ehs-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 15:41:39 -0700 Received: (qmail 20017 invoked by uid 399); 9 Aug 2003 22:42:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bubba9) (68.67.110.85) by mail.support1.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2003 22:42:27 -0000 From: "mailbox bob at mail.flyboybob.com" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: RE: KR>Spinner Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 18:43:05 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Jim, I got my aluminum spinner from Great Plains: http://www.greatplainsas.com/index.html. Regards, Bob Lee ______________________________ N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 30024 91% done only 51% to go! Phone/Fax: 770/844-7501 mailto:bob@flyboybob.com http://flyboybob.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Jim Morehead Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 5:40 PM To: KR- Net Subject: KR>Spinner Netters, Where is a good source to buy a spinner for a stock KR2 with a Revmaster 2100? What are the pros and cons of Aluminum verses fiberglass spinners? Do you need to have the prop to order the correct spinner? Jim Morehead Cameron Park, CA kr2jm@dweb.com First coat of Smooth Prime on wings. Ready to fit cowl. Red Oak bound. _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 09:15:17 +1000 From: Gavin Donohoe To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Fixed verses retract Message-ID: <006b01c35ecc$1c3ffa00$e64d8690@oemcomputer> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 5 Seems like all of us build the KR because of it's speed on moderate HP!! I'm starting a project soon on a KR2S and I am wondering about retractable verses fixed gear?? What are the speed penalties for the fixed? I'm planning on a tricycle cart at the moment. Gav --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 04/08/2003 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 18:05:26 -0600 From: "Roger H. Reese" To: "KR Net" Subject: KR>KR2 project. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 Sale fell through, so I have the boat on wheels, tail feathers done, outer spars glued up. Retractable with H.A.P.I. design locks, H.A.P.I. 1834 engine. Paid over $3400.00 for the engine alone. Would like to get $3600.00, but must sell. In Salt Lake City. Roger Reese 801-272-7847 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 18:22:59 -0600 From: "Robert Sather" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Fixed verses retract Message-ID: <000701c35ed5$8e4c0ea0$5602a8c0@Belkin> References: <006b01c35ecc$1c3ffa00$e64d8690@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 I understand that the taildragger fixed is very close to the retact speeds. Don't know much about the tricycle other than it is uuugly bobby ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin Donohoe" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 5:15 PM Subject: KR>Fixed verses retract > Seems like all of us build the KR because of it's speed on moderate HP!! I'm > starting a project soon on a KR2S and I am wondering about retractable > verses fixed gear?? What are the speed penalties for the fixed? I'm > planning on a tricycle cart at the moment. > > Gav > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 04/08/2003 > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 21:58:53 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>Fixed verses retract Message-ID: <3F35A6DD.000003.03784@Computer> References: <006b01c35ecc$1c3ffa00$e64d8690@oemcomputer> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 8 Most people say that there is no speed penalty for the fixed, in fact som= e say that the fixed is faster. Retract or Fixed is no longer really a val= id choice because of the difficulties that the retract brings without benefi= t. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From flykr2s@wi.rr.com Sat Aug 09 20:22:51 2003 Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com ([24.94.166.115]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19lgnD-000FtS-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 20:22:51 -0700 Received: from mark (CPE-65-31-89-55.wi.rr.com [65.31.89.55]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with SMTP id h7A3NY2c021488 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 22:23:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003b01c35eef$74053980$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" References: <006b01c35ecc$1c3ffa00$e64d8690@oemcomputer> <000701c35ed5$8e4c0ea0$5602a8c0@Belkin> Subject: Re: KR>Fixed verses retract Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 22:28:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Sather" > Don't know much about the tricycle other than it is uuugly > bobby Now that could start a real pissing match cause beauty is in the eye of the beholder. "That baby uuugly....I don't want that baby....that baby uuuugly.....I want the baby I took home from the hospital....that baby ain't my baby, that baby uuuugly." Actual words of a mother who was given the wrong baby at a hospital and was later given her baby. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 07:21:08 -0500 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Fixed verses retract Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030810072108.0087ada0@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <006b01c35ecc$1c3ffa00$e64d8690@oemcomputer> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 9 What are the speed penalties for the fixed? I'm >planning on a tricycle cart at the moment. >Gav +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++== NO speed penalties for a "well faired" fixed gear with tailwheel and not enough of a penalty with a nose wheel to keep you from building what you WANT. (Maybe 3 to 5 MPH) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 07:40:11 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Fixed verses retract Message-ID: <2e7501c35f3c$8a46ad30$1202a8c0@basement> References: <3.0.6.32.20030810072108.0087ada0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 So far this discussion hasn't mentioned insurance. If you are not tailwheel endorsed, you're going to have to spend some money to get that way, and then may have trouble getting hull insurance at all until you have something like 50 hours of tailtragger time. And there's no question that the tri-gear is easier to takeoff and land. But I keep hearing that taildraggers make you a better pilot, and that's what I want to be. I'm building a taildragger, but I don't find the tri-gear ugly. I sure wouldn't call Bobby Muses's plane ugly. Tri-gear makes it look like a more substantial "real" airplane, in my opinion. And the number one reason NOT to use retracts is that you can't possibly forget to put the gear down if it's fixed! Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 09:07:24 -0600 From: "Robert Sather" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Fixed verses retract Message-ID: <000f01c35f51$1b467d60$5602a8c0@Belkin> References: <3.0.6.32.20030810072108.0087ada0@pop.midwest.net> <2e7501c35f3c$8a46ad30$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 Bobby Muses's plane is beautiful. Just the gear is ugly. My opinion only, but not many tricycle gears look to good excepting a few. Just that the KR to me has always looked best as a fixed taildragger. And a taildragger is very easy to get comfortable in, in a very short time. Just my opinion. bobby ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 6:40 AM Subject: Re: KR>Fixed verses retract > So far this discussion hasn't mentioned insurance. If you are not > tailwheel endorsed, you're going to have to spend some money to get that > way, and then may have trouble getting hull insurance at all until you have > something like 50 hours of tailtragger time. > > And there's no question that the tri-gear is easier to takeoff and land. > But I keep hearing that taildraggers make you a better pilot, and that's > what I want to be. > > I'm building a taildragger, but I don't find the tri-gear ugly. I sure > wouldn't call Bobby Muses's plane ugly. Tri-gear makes it look like a more > substantial "real" airplane, in my opinion. > > And the number one reason NOT to use retracts is that you can't possibly > forget to put the gear down if it's fixed! > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 10:44:32 -0500 From: "Robert Stone" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>P.S. to looking for a flyable Message-ID: <002d01c35f56$4b0ee780$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> References: <20030809180254.22569.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 Ray, I have not seen a week go by without a KR aircraft of some kind being for sale right here on the KRNet. So just keep looking here and also Barnstormers at: http://www.barnstormers2000.com/search_frame.htm Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message----- From: "Raymond Hightower" To: Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 1:02 PM Subject: KR>P.S. to looking for a flyable > Dear Sirs, I have already looked in the current issues of: Trade-A-Plane, Aero Trader, and General Aviation News. Where else should I look to find a flyable kr2 to buy? Thanks, raylehigh1@yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software_______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 21:56:30 -0400 From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>[Fwd: Aviation News] Message-ID: <3F35A64E.1000503@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 I normally don't stir things up on mailing lists, but am I the only one that is offended by this very blatant use of someone's tragic death only five days ago to advertise a service? The early reports of the crash that I have seen so far don't even hint at a flutter problem. This comes from a mailing list from Martin Hollmann,s company. Very sad to hear of this crash. I have been following the progress on that plane for a while and it was one of the most beautiful planes I have ever see. James Wright obviously poured his heart and soul into it and it is a shame to see him and the plane gone. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Aviation News Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:54:56 -0700 From: Aircraft Designs, Inc. Reply-To: <16172-feedback-29@lb.bcentral.com> To: List Member NEWS RELEASE 2.4 August 2003 Aircraft Designs, Inc. Hughes H-1B Racer crash could most likely have been avoided. It is with great sadness that I heard about the death of James Wright, a tall and friendly aviator who I had gotten to know. He crashed on August 4th in his H-1B Racer on the way back from Oshkosh. I had talked to Jim many times about performing a flutter analysis on his racer and he was very interested. The aircraft had heavy, fabric covered control surfaces which were not mass balanced and it would have been very prudent to find out what the critical flutter speed is. When I did not hear from Jim, I had a terrible feeling that he would die in his beautiful aircraft. In retrospect, the $4,000 that I charge to perform this valuable service would have been worth it. For more information see www.wrightools.com/hughes/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:02:33 EDT From: AviationMech@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Fixed verses retract Message-ID: <1ad.18230acd.2c67e2b9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 In a message dated 8/9/2003 7:11:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, GAVINANDLOUISE@bigpond.com writes: > Retractable > verses fixed gear?? I really like this discussion, because I converted. First, about the uuugly baby and the uuugly nose gear, The main appeal for me was the looks of the KR when retracted. But, after struggling through a couple of collapses and not being able to land on really soft fields, I converted to fixed taildragger, and the only option available was the Rand conversion which was quick and easy. And, back then there was no tail dragger endorsement, and hull insurance for a KR was almost non existent. I did not have any loss of air speed because my retract was never faired. As to which is easier to fly, the tail or the nose, I have not flown a nose wheeled KR, but, assume that once you learn to get off the ground, you won't know the difference. Just don't put tundra tires on your KR. Orma AKA AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com/aviationmech also see me at www.aviation-mechanics.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 123, Issue 1 *************************************