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Today's Topics: 1. [Fwd: Aviation News] (Larry A Capps) 2. KR2S For Sale (Jonnie Bradley) 3. e-mail (Edwin Blocher) 4. Re: [Fwd: Aviation News] (Aggie lewanda) 5. KR Gathering (Jim Faughn) 6. Canopy and turtledeck (William Clapp) 7. Re: Canopy and turtledeck (Edwin Blocher) 8. Re: Canopy and turtledeck (Jonnie Bradley) 9. Re: Canopy and turtledeck (Dan Heath) 10. VW dip stick (Brian Kraut) 11. Re: Canopy and turtledeck Height (Ross Youngblood) 12. Re: Fixed verses retract (Insurance) (Ross Youngblood) 13. Re: Ailerons / epoxy/flox (Ross Youngblood) 14. Re: [Fwd: Aviation News] (Todd Servaes) 15. Re: Fixed verses retract (Insurance) (Dana Overall) 16. Re: e-mail (Justin) 17. Re: Ailerons / epoxy/flox (gleone) 18. Re: e-mail (Robert Stone) 19. RE: e-mail (mailbox bob at mail.flyboybob.com) 20. Re: e-mail (Mark Langford) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 15:02:47 -0500 From: "Larry A Capps" To: "'KR builders and pilots'" Cc: Subject: KR>[Fwd: Aviation News] Message-ID: <000a01c35f7a$5f0dbad0$0400a8c0@schpankme> In-Reply-To: <3F35A64E.1000503@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1 Specifically, what business does this have being on the KRNet; is it to = inflame others to the party of another mailing list. Please take your offensive problem to the other mailing list. Larry A Capps Naperville, IL -----Original Message----- I normally don't stir things up on mailing lists,=20 but=20 am I the only one that is offended=20 This comes from a mailing list from=20 Martin Hollmann,s company. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 13:55:28 +0000 From: Jonnie Bradley To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>KR2S For Sale Message-ID: <3F364ECD.802D4537@infostations.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 KR2S Tail Dragger project 95% completed. Dan Diehl landing gear, Cleveland brakes, new zero-time Great Planes 2180 engine, firewall forward complete. All brand new Westech instruments. Have all parts to finish except paint. All work inspected by EAA tech rep. Reason selling: After many years of construction all lay-ups completed and aircraft on it's gear, the canopy windshield was the last item to put in. After completeing that task on August 9, 2003, I find on August 10th, that I'm too tall to fit comfortably in the airplane. For sale or trade for other tail-wheel aircraft. $20K invested, make offer. Richard Oliver (jonnieb@infostations.com) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 16:29:47 -0500 From: "Edwin Blocher" To: "krnet" Subject: KR>e-mail Message-ID: <00dd01c35f86$88717860$0201a8c0@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 3 Sorry, but I have lost Dana's e-mail address. Dana, If you sent the e-mail to the net regarding "Speed", Norton says = its infected with a "bug bear" virus. I have gotten 6 or 7 messages in = the last week infected with this virus but this is the first with a KR = Netter's name being involved. Ed Blocher Santa Rosa Beach, FL eblocher@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:51:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Aggie lewanda To: engalt@earthlink.net, KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>[Fwd: Aviation News] Message-ID: <20030810215158.97275.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3F35A64E.1000503@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4 Brian, First, my sincere condolences to the Wright family. I am president of a local non-profit ballroom dance association. I was criticized recently for allowing announcements to be made at dances by people who were selling something for money. I am not paid and have no financial interest in any of the products or services in question. My reply was that a certain person who owns the building where we dance is making money renting us space. Another person is paid to be our D.J. A third person makes money giving dance lessons. A fourth person makes money selling dance shoes. Now, if all of these fine decent folks did something else for a living and made no money off ballroom dancing; then my wife and I would not know how to dance and there would be no place in town to do so anyway. I believe the same principle applies to things in the aviation world. I am a capitalist with no apologies for free enterprise. It makes our modern lifestyle possible. Anyone in business who is successful and offers a good product or service is going to have pride in what they have to offer and will naturally mention it in conversation. This list constantly discusses name brand products, companies that sell things, people who offer services. I see this as mutually beneficial to all concerned. Helps with a wide variety of things like safety, keeping costs down and telling each other where to find needed things. The article quoted below did not seem overly commercial to me and certainly evidenced genuine remorse over the accident and tragic loss of life. I guess it is clearly possible for someone to genuinely be offended by something when the other person sincerely meant no offense. My own take was not that the article was any grab for money as much as a genuine desire to increase safety and prevent future loss of life. Respectfully, Dean Allen --- Brian Kraut wrote: > I normally don't stir things up on mailing lists, but am I the only one > that is offended by this very blatant use of someone's tragic death only > five days ago to advertise a service? The early reports of the crash > that I have seen so far don't even hint at a flutter problem. This > comes from a mailing list from Martin Hollmann,s company. > > Very sad to hear of this crash. I have been following the progress on > that plane for a while and it was one of the most beautiful planes I > have ever see. James Wright obviously poured his heart and soul into it > and it is a shame to see him and the plane gone. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Aviation News > Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:54:56 -0700 > From: Aircraft Designs, Inc. > Reply-To: <16172-feedback-29@lb.bcentral.com> > To: List Member > > > > > NEWS RELEASE 2.4 August 2003 > Aircraft Designs, Inc. > > Hughes H-1B Racer crash could most likely have been avoided. > It is with great sadness that I heard about the death of James Wright, a > tall and friendly aviator who I had gotten to know. He crashed on August > 4th in his H-1B Racer on the way back from Oshkosh. I had talked to Jim > many times about performing a flutter analysis on his racer and he was > very interested. The aircraft had heavy, fabric covered control surfaces > which were not mass balanced and it would have been very prudent to find > out what the critical flutter speed is. When I did not hear from Jim, I > had a terrible feeling that he would die in his beautiful aircraft. In > retrospect, the $4,000 that I charge to perform this valuable service > would have been worth it. For more information see > www.wrightools.com/hughes/ > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 17:34:50 -0500 From: "Jim Faughn" To: "KR Net Response" Subject: KR>KR Gathering Message-ID: <012901c35f8f$9e3a78a0$2d466ad8@jfaughn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 I met a guy at Oshkosh from California that is wanting to fly his KR to the Gathering, I told him I would try to find out who was planning on attending from California so they might coordinate and fly out together or whatever. Would anyone that is planning on flying their KR from California please let me know and I'll connect you up. Jim Jim Faughn 4323D Laclede Ave. St. Louis, MO 63108 (314)652-7659 Email - sub @ for "at" jfaughn "at" socket.net Web Site http://jfaughn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 19:06:38 -0400 From: "William Clapp" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Canopy and turtledeck Message-ID: <000a01c35f94$0e868000$61fcd241@clapp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 6 I am getting ready to build form for my turtledeck but am interested is = knowing a couple things. =20 First. I am 5' 8" tall. How high is the average turtledeck for someone = my heigth? How to test. I have a Todd's Canopy - very flexible and = oversized so trimming is no problem. - a liitle rounder than a = dragonfly. =20 Second - Can I move the seat support crossmember cack a couple inches to = provide 1) more headroom and 2) a more comfy seat that I can adjust with = removable back cushions or adjustable back? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:15:10 -0500 From: "Edwin Blocher" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Canopy and turtledeck Message-ID: <00fc01c35f95$400c0040$0201a8c0@computer> References: <000a01c35f94$0e868000$61fcd241@clapp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 At 5'8" I don't think you need to move back any. You should have plenty of headroom and probably will need to have both seat and back cushions in a standard 2S. Just my thoughts. ED Ed Blocher Santa Rosa Beach, FL eblocher@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Clapp" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 6:06 PM Subject: KR>Canopy and turtledeck I am getting ready to build form for my turtledeck but am interested is knowing a couple things. First. I am 5' 8" tall. How high is the average turtledeck for someone my heigth? How to test. I have a Todd's Canopy - very flexible and oversized so trimming is no problem. - a liitle rounder than a dragonfly. Second - Can I move the seat support crossmember cack a couple inches to provide 1) more headroom and 2) a more comfy seat that I can adjust with removable back cushions or adjustable back? _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 16:40:27 +0000 From: Jonnie Bradley To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Canopy and turtledeck Message-ID: <3F36757A.CB83766B@infostations.com> References: <000a01c35f94$0e868000$61fcd241@clapp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 I'm 6', but tall in the torso. I am forwarding a reply that might answer your questions about adjusting things. Richard William Clapp wrote: > I am getting ready to build form for my turtledeck but am interested is knowing a couple things. > First. I am 5' 8" tall. How high is the average turtledeck for someone my heigth? How to test. I have a Todd's Canopy - very flexible and oversized so trimming is no problem. - a liitle rounder than a dragonfly. > > Second - Can I move the seat support crossmember cack a couple inches to provide 1) more headroom and 2) a more comfy seat that I can adjust with removable back cushions or adjustable back? > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 20:08:20 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>Canopy and turtledeck Message-ID: <3F36DE74.000001.04056@Computer> References: <000a01c35f94$0e868000$61fcd241@clapp> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 9 RE: How high is the average turtledeck for someone my heigth? How to tes= t. =0D =0D Are you building a 2 or a 2S? I am 5' 8.5" tall and I had a serious head room problem with my first KR.=0D =0D Are you using a pre-molded Turtle Deck? =0D =0D You should decide what kind of seats you want to build and do that first.= =20 Then sit in it and have someone take some measurements with your hat and headset on, just as you will fly it. Don't forget to simulate a seat cushion and seat back cushion if you don't have them.=0D =0D Once you decide how high the turtle deck needs to be, build it to that height. Don't worry about the canopy untill after you get the Turtle dec= k unless you are going to use the bubble as is, then you may need to compromise.=0D =0D Our site has a lot of information on doing this for a KR2.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From flesner@midwest.net Sun Aug 10 17:30:42 2003 Received: from epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.181]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19m0aA-000LAr-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 17:30:42 -0700 Received: from dsc07-cir-oh-5-102.rasserver.net ([206.215.104.102] helo=larry-flesner) by epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19m0ax-0006X6-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 17:31:31 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20030810192718.0087c100@pop.midwest.net> X-Sender: flesner@pop.midwest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 19:27:18 -0500 To: KR builders and pilots From: larry flesner In-Reply-To: <000f01c35f51$1b467d60$5602a8c0@Belkin> References: <3.0.6.32.20030810072108.0087ada0@pop.midwest.net> <2e7501c35f3c$8a46ad30$1202a8c0@basement> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: KR>Progress report X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Netter's I got the wings mounted yesterday after painting. Today I refilled my right brake line, added five gallon of fuel to each wing and cranked the engine up. It still runs !!! I did some "playing" around the ramp, taxiway, and a bit in the grass. Can't wait to fly it. I won't make Red Oak with the KR this year but I do look to make the first flight before attending the Gathering in the Tripacer. One problem I found was that I got my spacing around the gullwing door so tight that when it got hot in the sun I had trouble opening it. It turned out to be the paint between the door and the mount at the hinge point. Once scuffed on opening I've not had any more problems. All other systems seem to be working fine. Some minor problems on assembly after painting but I'm working through them with no problems. Larry (grinning from ear to ear) Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 22:44:38 -0400 From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>VW dip stick Message-ID: <3F35B196.1070403@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 I have a Great Plains 2180 VW engine. My dipstick does not have any empty or full lines on it and I believe it is a modified dipstick that the previous owner made so it could be removed without removing the cowling. Could someone do me a big favor and measure how far down the stick their empty and full lines are? I need a measurement from the top of the stick at the surface where it seats in the tube, not from the bottom end of the stick because I am not sure if mine is normal length. I would just measure the amount of oil I put in and mark the stick myself, but I have an external filter and several feet of oil line so I am not sure of the correct oil amount for my engine. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 06:26:56 +0100 From: "Ross Youngblood" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Canopy and turtledeck Height Message-ID: <20030811052656.10730.qmail@operamail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 >From the book "Test Flying Your Homebuilt" by Vaughn Askew[sp]. He suggests putting your parachute and helmet on and sitting in a mock up of the cockpit. What I did was use cardboard to cut bulkhead templates and wear a bike helmet and sit on a cushon. Then I marked where the canopy top was, and worked from there. >From cardboard, I made panelboard bulkheads, and eventually one or two plywood bulkheads. I also sat in the cockput and taped cardboard to the firewall to simulate a cowling, and figured out how high I wanted my instrument panel. The aft bulkheads were clamped in place with "C" clamps and I foamed up my entire aft deck until I liked what I had... then I glassed it. Thats how I did it... your mileage may vary. -- Ross (N541RY -- not yet flying) ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Clapp" Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 19:06:38 -0400 To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Canopy and turtledeck > I am getting ready to build form for my turtledeck but am interested is knowing a couple things. > First. I am 5' 8" tall. How high is the average turtledeck for someone my heigth? How to test. I have a Todd's Canopy - very flexible and oversized so trimming is no problem. - a liitle rounder than a dragonfly. > > Second - Can I move the seat support crossmember cack a couple inches to provide 1) more headroom and 2) a more comfy seat that I can adjust with removable back cushions or adjustable back? > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html -- ____________________________________________ http://www.operamail.com Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 06:36:22 +0100 From: "Ross Youngblood" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Fixed verses retract (Insurance) Message-ID: <20030811053622.17823.qmail@operamail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 I have about 280TT with 18hours in taildraggers and my IFR rating, plus 40 hours in Mooney Retracts (Complex). (My KR has the retract). When I asked Sky Smith about moving from ground only to in-motion coverage, they needed 100 hours tailwheel time, plus 25 hours in type before they would cover me "in motion". I haven't taken them up on that. Taildraggers are fun to fly. I have flown a Cessna 140 briefly, a Piper Cub, and a Aeronca Champ. I recieved my endorsement in the Champ, but it was so long ago it doesn't count for much now. I'm considering getting some different tailwheel time locally before doing the flight testing in my KR. My BFR is overdue, so I need to see what it would cost to do my BFR in a tailwheel, and try to kill two birds with one check. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 07:40:11 -0500 To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Fixed verses retract > So far this discussion hasn't mentioned insurance. If you are not > tailwheel endorsed, you're going to have to spend some money to get that > way, and then may have trouble getting hull insurance at all until you have > something like 50 hours of tailtragger time. > > And there's no question that the tri-gear is easier to takeoff and land. > But I keep hearing that taildraggers make you a better pilot, and that's > what I want to be. > > I'm building a taildragger, but I don't find the tri-gear ugly. I sure > wouldn't call Bobby Muses's plane ugly. Tri-gear makes it look like a more > substantial "real" airplane, in my opinion. > > And the number one reason NOT to use retracts is that you can't possibly > forget to put the gear down if it's fixed! > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html -- ____________________________________________ http://www.operamail.com Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 06:49:01 +0100 From: "Ross Youngblood" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Ailerons / epoxy/flox Message-ID: <20030811054901.27021.qmail@operamail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 Larry.... that is a terrific idea! I used masking tape over the holes then drilled through, but nylon bolts is a better idea. > >If you attach with rivets, I have a method for that, otherwise, proceed > >with the flox attachment process that you have been doing. For that process > > I would use a disposable pan head, 8-32, a little longer that the > >permanent screws, to hold it in place while it cures. > >Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Nylon bolts the same size as the steel bolts you intend to use work > great for holding blind nuts or nuts buried in foam in place while > the epoxy/flox sets up. They hold the position, keep the resin from > getting into the threads, and the resin does not stick so they are > (usually) simple to remove. Nylon hardware with a bolt head, rather > then a screw head, works best as it gives you more gripping power. > > Your results may vary! :-) > > Larry (KR painted, wings going on today) Flesner > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html -- ____________________________________________ http://www.operamail.com Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 00:08:56 -0700 From: Todd Servaes To: KR builders and pilots Cc: engalt@earthlink.net Subject: Re: KR>[Fwd: Aviation News] Message-ID: <3F374108.3060107@vfr.net> References: <20030810215158.97275.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 All, We were very happy to host Mr. Wright and his very beautiful and historically significant H-1 at the Golden West Fly-in this year. The loss of this gifted man and the great airplane that he crafted is truly sad and a signiifcant loss to the aviation family. I have worked with Martin Hollmann both on the Fly-in and some other projects, and I can assure you that he is a rabid evangelist about flutter testing and safety. I would view his press release as much more of a sermon than an advertisement. Todd Servaes KR-2S Aggie lewanda wrote: >Brian, > >First, my sincere condolences to the Wright family. > >I am president of a local non-profit ballroom dance association. >I was criticized recently for allowing announcements to be made >at dances by people who were selling something for money. I am >not paid and have no financial interest in any of the products or >services in question. > >My reply was that a certain person who owns the building where we dance >is making money renting us space. Another person is paid to be our D.J. >A third person makes money giving dance lessons. A fourth person >makes money selling dance shoes. Now, if all of these fine decent >folks did something else for a living and made no money off ballroom >dancing; then my wife and I would not know how to dance and there would >be no place in town to do so anyway. > >I believe the same principle applies to things in the aviation world. >I am a capitalist with no apologies for free enterprise. It makes our >modern lifestyle possible. Anyone in business who is successful and >offers a good product or service is going to have pride in what they >have to offer and will naturally mention it in conversation. > >This list constantly discusses name brand products, companies that sell >things, people who offer services. I see this as mutually beneficial to >all concerned. Helps with a wide variety of things like safety, keeping >costs down and telling each other where to find needed things. The article >quoted below did not seem overly commercial to me and certainly evidenced >genuine remorse over the accident and tragic loss of life. > >I guess it is clearly possible for someone to genuinely be offended by >something when the other person sincerely meant no offense. My own take >was not that the article was any grab for money as much as a genuine >desire to increase safety and prevent future loss of life. > >Respectfully, > >Dean Allen >--- Brian Kraut wrote: > >>I normally don't stir things up on mailing lists, but am I the only one >>that is offended by this very blatant use of someone's tragic death only >>five days ago to advertise a service? The early reports of the crash >>that I have seen so far don't even hint at a flutter problem. This >>comes from a mailing list from Martin Hollmann,s company. >> >>Very sad to hear of this crash. I have been following the progress on >>that plane for a while and it was one of the most beautiful planes I >>have ever see. James Wright obviously poured his heart and soul into it >>and it is a shame to see him and the plane gone. >> >>-------- Original Message -------- >>Subject: Aviation News >>Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:54:56 -0700 >>From: Aircraft Designs, Inc. >>Reply-To: <16172-feedback-29@lb.bcentral.com> >>To: List Member >> >> >> >> >>NEWS RELEASE 2.4 August 2003 >>Aircraft Designs, Inc. >> >>Hughes H-1B Racer crash could most likely have been avoided. >>It is with great sadness that I heard about the death of James Wright, a >>tall and friendly aviator who I had gotten to know. He crashed on August >>4th in his H-1B Racer on the way back from Oshkosh. I had talked to Jim >>many times about performing a flutter analysis on his racer and he was >>very interested. The aircraft had heavy, fabric covered control surfaces >>which were not mass balanced and it would have been very prudent to find >>out what the critical flutter speed is. When I did not hear from Jim, I >>had a terrible feeling that he would die in his beautiful aircraft. In >>retrospect, the $4,000 that I charge to perform this valuable service >>would have been worth it. For more information see >>www.wrightools.com/hughes/ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html >> > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 07:06:30 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Fixed verses retract (Insurance) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 15 Whether you build a KR with retracts or fixed be very up front in providing your insurance agent with the exact engine type in your KR. The companies insuring have recently tightened the reins on extending coverage based on the type of engine mounted to the front. The last info I had on this, about 6 months old, was a homebuilt VW, Corvair would disqualify you from obtaining insurance. A competed VW from Great Plains would be acceptable, for example. However, if when asked you reply "I have a Great Plains engine" there is a 180 degree difference between you building it and Steve providing it. Remember, just because you pull the wool over the eyes of your agent, it is your responsibility to know what is needed by the carrier, not the other way around. So, just because you have policy in hand does not mean it is anything more than toilet paper. I'll give you an eye opening example. You have seen the XP-360 engine in Sport Aviation. 0 time, all new parts, better than a new Lyc. 360................uninsurable at 20K per engine until about 4 months ago. If insurance is a major issue with you, really check into this as insurable engine choices have really shrunk. I haven't talked with Jeff York since his insurance company decided not to renew his KR policy for this year. Things may have changed in the last six months so if someone has more current info you may want to provided some websites or documention on this issue. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:34:03 -0500 From: "Justin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>e-mail Message-ID: <001101c36015$9cb3e1c0$b5dc1818@computer> References: <00dd01c35f86$88717860$0201a8c0@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16 Mark, I think it would resolve all of these virus programs if the server didn't allow any attachments. Just an idea incase for some reason my virus program doesn't pick up this virus crap. Justin N116JW www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/Home ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edwin Blocher" To: "krnet" Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 4:29 PM Subject: KR>e-mail Sorry, but I have lost Dana's e-mail address. Dana, If you sent the e-mail to the net regarding "Speed", Norton says its infected with a "bug bear" virus. I have gotten 6 or 7 messages in the last week infected with this virus but this is the first with a KR Netter's name being involved. Ed Blocher Santa Rosa Beach, FL eblocher@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 08:36:32 -0600 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "gleone" To: Subject: Re: KR>Ailerons / epoxy/flox Message-ID: <3F37A9F0.00000A.03508@DDMWDD11> References: <20030811054901.27021.qmail@operamail.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 17 Another technique that works is to use a paste car wax. Liberally smear = it onto the bolt threads and screw them in place. When I bed rifle actions,= I use an epoxy material and the only way to keep the bedding screws (bolts, actually) from becoming "one with the action" is to use the "Turtle Wax approach". It's worked for me for years on literally over hundreds of rifle actions.=0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Sunday, August 10, 2003 23:48:34=0D To: KR builders and pilots=0D Subject: Re: KR>Ailerons / epoxy/flox=0D =0D Larry.... that is a terrific idea!=0D =0D I used masking tape over the holes then drilled through,=0D but nylon bolts is a better idea.=0D =0D > >If you attach with rivets, I have a method for that, otherwise, procee= d=0D > >with the flox attachment process that you have been doing. For that process=0D > > I would use a disposable pan head, 8-32, a little longer that the=0D > >permanent screws, to hold it in place while it cures.=0D > >Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=0D >=0D > Nylon bolts the same size as the steel bolts you intend to use work=0D > great for holding blind nuts or nuts buried in foam in place while=0D > the epoxy/flox sets up. They hold the position, keep the resin from=0D > getting into the threads, and the resin does not stick so they are=0D > (usually) simple to remove. Nylon hardware with a bolt head, rather=0D > then a screw head, works best as it gives you more gripping power.=0D >=0D > Your results may vary! :-)=0D >=0D > Larry (KR painted, wings going on today) Flesner=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D > _______________________________________________=0D > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =0D --=0D ____________________________________________=0D http://www.operamail.com=0D Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year=0D =0D =0D Powered by Outblaze=0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =0D =2E ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:21:39 -0500 From: "Robert Stone" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>e-mail Message-ID: <001601c3601c$4371fb40$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> References: <00dd01c35f86$88717860$0201a8c0@computer> <001101c36015$9cb3e1c0$b5dc1818@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18 Justin, There is a prohibition against attachments on the KRNet. The problem is too many members read the rules and either forget them or just ignore them. I am sure some members don't even read them at all because I see so many attachments on the net. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 9:34 AM Subject: Re: KR>e-mail > Mark, > I think it would resolve all of these virus programs if the server > didn't allow any attachments. Just an idea incase for some reason my virus > program doesn't pick up this virus crap. > Justin > N116JW > www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/Home > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edwin Blocher" > To: "krnet" > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 4:29 PM > Subject: KR>e-mail > > > Sorry, but I have lost Dana's e-mail address. > Dana, If you sent the e-mail to the net regarding "Speed", Norton says its > infected with a "bug bear" virus. I have gotten 6 or 7 messages in the last > week infected with this virus but this is the first with a KR Netter's name > being involved. > Ed Blocher > Santa Rosa Beach, FL > eblocher@earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:37:33 -0400 From: "mailbox bob at mail.flyboybob.com" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: RE: KR>e-mail Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001601c3601c$4371fb40$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C35FFC.F45EB2B0" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 19 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C35FFC.F45EB2B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KRnetters, My understanding is that Mark has the attachment capability turned off for KRnet. If you receive messages with attachments from KRnet, then they are not legitimate, they were sent from a virus infected computer other than the KRnet server. To test my theory, I'm attaching a jpg picture of my battery to this message to see if it gets sent out to all of us on KRnet. Regards, Bob Lee ______________________________ N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 30024 91% done only 51% to go! Phone/Fax: 770/844-7501 mailto:bob@flyboybob.com http://flyboybob.com ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C35FFC.F45EB2B0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:03:57 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>e-mail Message-ID: <03d001c3602a$8edfcb30$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 20 Bob Lee wrote: > My understanding is that Mark has the attachment capability turned off for > KRnet. If you receive messages with attachments from KRnet, then they are > not legitimate, they were sent from a virus infected computer other than the > KRnet server. Bob is absolutely right. I've just gotten so tired of saying it that I've given up trying to explain it... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 124, Issue 1 *************************************