From: To: Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 138, Issue 1 Date: Monday, August 25, 2003 4:28 AM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. wing section plotting. (Harold Woods) 2. project update (Mark Langford) 3. Re: project update (Russ Fenlason) 4. Stefan's KR (Mark Langford) 5. RE: project update (Jim Faughn) 6. Re: project update (Mark Langford) 7. Strobes (Mark Jones) 8. Re: project update (ace nunye) 9. RED OAK - GATHERING (Mark Jones) 10. RE: Shockwave Movies & krnet.org (Ross Youngblood) 11. Re: Stefan's KR (Mark Jones) 12. Re: RED OAK - GATHERING (Mark Langford) 13. Re: project update (Mark Jones) 14. Roll Call (Colin) 15. Re: RED OAK - GATHERING (larry severson) 16. Re: RED OAK - GATHERING (Dan Heath) 17. Re: firewall and spar question (Ross Youngblood) 18. Re: RED OAK - GATHERING (Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff) 19. Next Wave (JIM VANCE) 20. Re: RED OAK - GATHERING (David Lininger) 21. Migrant KR2 (Serge F. Vidal) 22. Re: Next Wave (Mark Langford) 23. Roll Call (larry flesner) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:48:33 -0400 From: "Harold Woods" To: Subject: KR>wing section plotting. Message-ID: <006001c36a78$b3869fb0$08ee6418@HAROLD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1 Getting your wing shape is no big deal. You do not require a computer = program. Get a roll of shelf paper. Roll off 5 feet of it and draw a = line down the center. On let us say the left hand end mark the leading = edge. Your coordinates are listed usually as + and - on varrious % of = the cord. If you are using a 48" cord, a hand calculator will quickly = give you the location on the cord line. Measure up using a square and = mark the spot. Do the same for the downward measurement.After you have = completed all of the marking take a welding rod and bend it to get the = best fit on the marks. Draw along the rod with a pencil and Bingo ! you = have an airfoil. Why put off to spring - do it now. Harold Woods, Orillia,ON.Canada haroldwoods@rogers.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003From EBLOCHER@earthlink.net Sun Aug 24 13:56:45 2003 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.22]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19r1un-000Aho-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 13:56:45 -0700 Received: from user190.net367.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([65.40.52.190] helo=computer) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19r1wC-00009b-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 13:58:12 -0700 Message-ID: <002701c36a81$9f9874c0$0201a8c0@computer> From: "Edwin Blocher" To: "KR builders and pilots" References: <001b01c369fb$ea949660$d1d91818@computer> Subject: Re: KR>firewall and spar question Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:52:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Justin, Yes you get two thicknesses of 3 1/2" X 5/8" plus a 1/4" shelf top and bottom of them. As for Douglas Fir. It is 125% heavier (bad news), at least twice as strong, and cheaper if you can find it than Sitka spruce. My advice is as always,"if it ain't broke don't fix it". Stick with spruce. It is hard to find in Aviation grade. ED Ed Blocher Santa Rosa Beach, FL eblocher@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin" To: Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 11:55 PM Subject: KR>firewall and spar question I was looking over the plans and for the firewall forward deck I have a slight confusion. For the KR2S do we put 2 top firewall members (3 1/2" X 5/8") back to back? Im also getting ready (wood shopping) for my wing spar wood. Is there any prblem with using Duglas, anythign special I need to know before I make a mistake? Justin N116JW www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/Home _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:14:03 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>project update Message-ID: <006f01c36a8d$071c1600$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 NetHeads, Last week I showed y'all a photo that proved that I am "nowhere near flying". This week, I am a little more hopeful. See http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/bodywork/index.html . We're still talking next Spring though, at the earliest, so don't ask... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 18:13:54 -0500 From: "Russ Fenlason" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>project update Message-ID: <000901c36a95$63b1bd90$0400a8c0@D2M43L01> References: <006f01c36a8d$071c1600$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Looks great to me. I wish mine even had the posibility of looking that good or flying next spring.. Thanks for all you do for us who use the net. Russ - See you at Red Oak > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:42:23 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Stefan's KR Message-ID: <00ac01c36aaa$59bdee70$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Somebody help me out here. I was checking for dead links on www.krnet.org and at Stefan Belatchev's site at http://site.voila.fr/centaure/ it looks for all the world like he chopped up his KR and hauled it away. Any French speakers out there offer some insight? Stefan's been a big help to me. He borrowed the last known remaining copy of Makerle's "Air-Cooled Automotive Engines" bible from the Polish National library, had it copied, and mailed it to me! Thanks again, Stefan... Thanks, Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:52:01 -0500 From: "Jim Faughn" To: "'KR builders and pilots'" Subject: RE: KR>project update Message-ID: <001c01c36aab$7a4ca0e0$70476ad8@jfaughn> In-Reply-To: <006f01c36a8d$071c1600$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 I love it. The next wave. I'm sure you understand what I'm saying. The next wave is the new group of KR's that will be flying by next year. We have at least 3 and I'm betting it is more like 5. I truly can't wait. See you at Red Oak. Jim Jim Faughn 4323D Laclede Ave. St. Louis, MO 63108 (314)652-7659 Email - sub @ for "at" jfaughn "at" socket.net Web Site http://jfaughn.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Mark Langford Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 5:14 PM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>project update NetHeads, Last week I showed y'all a photo that proved that I am "nowhere near flying". This week, I am a little more hopeful. See http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/bodywork/index.html . We're still talking next Spring though, at the earliest, so don't ask... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:51:47 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>project update Message-ID: <00b601c36aab$a2845800$1202a8c0@basement> References: <001c01c36aab$7a4ca0e0$70476ad8@jfaughn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 Jim Faughn wrote: > I love it. The next wave. I'm sure you understand what I'm saying. The > next wave is the new group of KR's that will be flying by next year. We > have at least 3 and I'm betting it is more like 5. I truly can't wait. Yep, I think of it as the Next Generation. KR2S's with big engines. It ought to be a hoot! See y'all at Red Oak!!! Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:58:55 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Subject: KR>Strobes Message-ID: <00b101c36aac$70fc2dc0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 7 Here is a link http://strobesupply.com/ to Strobe Supply.Com which is = where I bought all of my strobe lights. They are having a 20% off sale = right now.=20 Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 22:21:21 -0400 From: "ace nunye" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>project update Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8 Mark, I was close by your place thursday and wanted to drop in and check on your progress but was in an 18 wheeler and didnt wanna try to turn that in your sub-division. I delievered a machine down on the HWY 255 extention. So I guess you got lucky ha ha ha, maybe next time. Mike KR2S in 10EC >From: "Mark Langford" >Reply-To: KR builders and pilots >To: "KR builders and pilots" >Subject: Re: KR>project update >Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:51:47 -0500 > >Jim Faughn wrote: > > > I love it. The next wave. I'm sure you understand what I'm saying. The > > next wave is the new group of KR's that will be flying by next year. We > > have at least 3 and I'm betting it is more like 5. I truly can't wait. > > >Yep, I think of it as the Next Generation. KR2S's with big engines. It >ought to be a hoot! > >See y'all at Red Oak!!! > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL >N56ML "at" hiwaay.net >see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps [1]ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. References 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMMENCA/2752??PS= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 21:32:05 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Subject: KR>RED OAK - GATHERING Message-ID: <011401c36ab1$1368d960$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 9 Roll Call....who is going?=20 I am and I can hardly wait!!!! Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 03:28:58 +0100 From: "Ross Youngblood" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>RE: Shockwave Movies & krnet.org Message-ID: <20030825022858.20951.qmail@operamail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 Dan, Back when I ran krnet.org, I built one of the shockwave movies as a possible new promo... took a vote and it was decided that most folks didn't have fast enough connections. Sometime around that point I decided to hand over the reigns of krnet.org to Mark. Mark can tell you I sat on the paperwork forever, and he is much better at the job than I. You can take anything you want from my site and post it on KRnet. The KRnet promo movie needs to have the krnet mailing list updated. As the mail address has changed since I made it. Regarding the n541ry.com... I was told I could have it back, and just need to follow up. n541ry.us is fine for now. -- Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 06:23:44 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) To: Subject: Re: KR>N541RY Progress... > Ross, > > Those movie clips are really cool. Are they on the KRNET.ORG site yet? I > will be glad to post them on our site if you are willing to make them > available to me. > > Also, unless you are commercial and really want a .COM, you could just go > and pick up a .ORG. I can't imagine why someone would want your domain name > when it is your N number that they can't have. > > N64KR > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > > See you in Red Oak - 2003 > > See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic > See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > > -------Original Message------- > > From: KR builders and pilots > Date: Sunday, August 24, 2003 1:58:27 AM > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: KR>N541RY Progress... > > The folks at Ellison Fluid Systems are terrific! > > > My website is back on-line... some of the newer KR-netters > who don't know who the ** I am, might like to check it > out. http://n541ry.us (n541ry.com is still tied up by > someone else and they won't give it back yet). > > -- Ross_______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html -- ____________________________________________ http://www.operamail.com Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 21:37:32 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Stefan's KR Message-ID: <012201c36ab1$d66f9b60$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <00ac01c36aaa$59bdee70$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 Mark, This is the first paragraph. "Very important!!! The construction of the Centaur in the form presented here stopped during May 2001. I do not occupy any more the hangar with Toussus and unfortunately, I do not have another room for the moment. The structure will be deeply modified and currently I work on the new members wood-carbon allowing a considerable profit of weight. Not having found the data technical and the methods of calculation reliable, I gave up the composites. For the wings and the control surfaces I intend to use foam veins and coatings working out of plywood of birch. " This is the comment under the photo of the KR in the badk of the car. "But construction begins again! The updates are planned for the re-entry 2002." Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 8:42 PM Subject: KR>Stefan's KR > Somebody help me out here. I was checking for dead links on www.krnet.org > and at Stefan Belatchev's site at http://site.voila.fr/centaure/ it looks > for all the world like he chopped up his KR and hauled it away. Any French > speakers out there offer some insight? Stefan's been a big help to me. He > borrowed the last known remaining copy of Makerle's "Air-Cooled Automotive > Engines" bible from the Polish National library, had it copied, and mailed > it to me! Thanks again, Stefan... > > Thanks, > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 21:36:15 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>RED OAK - GATHERING Message-ID: <00e501c36ab1$d3bd9ac0$1202a8c0@basement> References: <011401c36ab1$1368d960$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 Mark Jones wrote: >Roll Call....who is going? Well you KNOW I'll be there, and I hope some "new" KRs will show up so I can check 'em out... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 21:43:43 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>project update Message-ID: <014501c36ab2$b36a0aa0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <006f01c36a8d$071c1600$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 Langford, your bird looks SWEEEEET !!!! Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 5:14 PM Subject: KR>project update > NetHeads, > > Last week I showed y'all a photo that proved that I am "nowhere near > flying". This week, I am a little more hopeful. See > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/bodywork/index.html . We're still talking > next Spring though, at the earliest, so don't ask... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 22:40:06 -0400 From: "Colin" To: Subject: KR>Roll Call Message-ID: <003401c36ab2$31f21ee0$05462141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 14 Unfortunately since we cannot fly, Bev and I cannot afford the extra = time off, so we will miss this year, but we WILL fly this fall! Colin Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!From ronlee@pcisys.net Sun Aug 24 19:50:12 2003 Received: from leo.pcisys.net ([216.229.32.240] helo=mail.pcisys.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19r7Qq-000FW9-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 19:50:12 -0700 Received: from lee.pcisys.net (prof-208-234-80-235.cos.pcisys.net [208.234.80.235]) by mail.pcisys.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) via ESMTP id h7P2pYHl027245 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:51:35 -0600 (MDT) env-from (ronlee@pcisys.net) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030824205237.00a2a5f0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: ronlee/pcisys.net@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:52:57 -0600 To: KR builders and pilots From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR>RED OAK - GATHERING In-Reply-To: <011401c36ab1$1368d960$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: >Roll Call....who is going? I am Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 19:57:14 -0700 From: larry severson To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>RED OAK - GATHERING Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030824195646.027e5518@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <011401c36ab1$1368d960$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 15 At 09:32 PM 8/24/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Roll Call....who is going? Next year, when my plane is flying! Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 22:59:36 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>RED OAK - GATHERING Message-ID: <3F497B98.000007.03280@Computer> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030824205237.00a2a5f0@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 16 Dan, Jerry and Johnny from SC.=0D =0D Bob, I think Johnny is going to try to join us. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Sunday, August 24, 2003 10:51:56 PM=0D To: KR builders and pilots=0D Subject: Re: KR>RED OAK - GATHERING=0D =0D >Roll Call....who is going?=0D =0D =0D I am=0D =0D Ron Lee=0D =0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2EFrom patrick36@usfamily.net Sun Aug 24 20:03:39 2003 Received: from gv-m2.usfamily.net ([207.225.145.202]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19r7dr-000Fss-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:03:39 -0700 Received: from [64.212.142.206] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.0.1) with SMTP id com for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 22:04:28 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from patrick36@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004601c36ab5$57c10c00$ce8ed440@oemcomputer> From: "Patrick Driscoll" To: "KR builders and pilots" References: <003401c36ab2$31f21ee0$05462141@Beverly> Subject: Re: KR>Roll Call Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 22:02:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Me and my wife Joanne (Jo) will be there. Pat Driscoll (Driving) ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 04:51:10 +0100 From: "Ross Youngblood" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>firewall and spar question Message-ID: <20030825035111.19681.qmail@operamail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 17 Justin, Douglas Fir is heavier than Spruce. I think otherwise it is OK. I don't think I would run down to Home Depot for some 2x4's however. Your best bet for Spruce is Aircraft Spruce, or Wicks Aircraft. There are two other vendors, one is in Colorado which I had quote spruce for me back in '88. I think it was Penrose Aerodome, but it has been a long time. Their prices seemed very competitive, but they wrote out the quote on paper and pencil. If you can find a good tech counselor who knows wood, they can help you find and select your own wood. You don't want any knots or voids/pitch pockets in the wood for a spar. Hemlock is another alternative. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin" Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 23:55:18 -0500 To: Subject: KR>firewall and spar question > I was looking over the plans and for the firewall forward deck I have a slight confusion. For the KR2S do we put 2 top firewall members (3 1/2" X 5/8") back to back? > > Im also getting ready (wood shopping) for my wing spar wood. Is there any prblem with using Duglas, anythign special I need to know before I make a mistake? > Justin > N116JW > www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/Home > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html -- ____________________________________________ http://www.operamail.com Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 22:56:09 -0700 From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>RED OAK - GATHERING Message-ID: <003701c36acd$9540d5c0$0d02a8c0@charlesmidkiff> References: <011401c36ab1$1368d960$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18 Cheryl & I have decided to fly commercial instead of driving our motorhome from Washington State. I made the reservation to leave here on the 10th to Omaha then by rental car to Red Oak. We have reservations at the Red Coach Inn. Really looking forward to it! Bud Midkiff Lynnwood, WA email: c.midkiff@verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 7:32 PM Subject: KR>RED OAK - GATHERING Roll Call....who is going? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:23:38 -0500 From: "JIM VANCE" To: "krnet" Subject: KR>Next Wave Message-ID: <003d01c36b57$c310f0e0$0200a8c0@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 19 I'm glad to hear that there is a new wave of high horsepower KR's due = next year. That's great. =20 You can add mine to the list, but it's only a ripple instead of a wave. N303JV is a standard length KR-2 with the new wing, powered by a Great = Plains 1835 cc VW. I was too quick to decide on something standard and = simple (hindsight is always 20-20). I'll bring brag pictures to Red Oak. See you there. Jim Vance = Vance@ClaflinWildcats.comFrom serge.vidal@ate-international.com Mon Aug 25 02:34:46 2003 Received: from tounes103.gw.tn ([193.95.50.103]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19rDkL-000InE-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 02:34:45 -0700 Received: from tounes-22.ati.tn (tounes-22.ati.tn [193.95.66.22]) by tounes.tngw.tn (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10985 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:36:42 -0100 (GMT) Received: from smtp.planet.tn ([193.95.123.25]) by tounes-22.ati.tn (8.12.7/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h7P8a1AL028195 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:36:01 +0200 (EET) Received: from sergevidal ([193.95.89.11]) by smtp.planet.tn (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with SMTP id h7PBZCr05899 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:35:13 -0100 (GMT) From: "Serge F. Vidal" To: "'KR builders and pilots'" Subject: RE: KR>Stefan's KR Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:38:11 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01c36aec$eab2fa50$2c0101c0@ate.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <012201c36ab1$d66f9b60$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: serge.vidal@ate-international.com, KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Mark and Mark, A few corrections to your translation below. Your interpretation seems correct: the aircraft (boat stage) has been scrapped on August 2002. I e-mailed Stefan in order to know more. "Very important!!! The construction of the Centaur in the form presented here stopped during May 2001. I do not occupy any more the hangar AT Toussus and unfortunately, I do not have another room for the moment. The structure will be deeply modified and currently I work on the new members wood-carbon SPARS allowing considerable WEIGHT SAVINGS. Not having found the TECHNICAL DATA data technical NOR RELIABLE CALCULATION METHODS, I gave up the composites. For the wings and the control surfaces I intend to use foam STRINGERS and STRESSED SKINS MADE OF BIRCH plywood. " This is the comment under the photo of the KR in the badk of the car. "But construction RESUMES! The updates are planned for the BEGINNING OF THE 2002 BUSINESS YEAR." Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 8:42 PM Subject: KR>Stefan's KR > Somebody help me out here. I was checking for dead links on www.krnet.org > and at Stefan Belatchev's site at http://site.voila.fr/centaure/ it looks > for all the world like he chopped up his KR and hauled it away. Any French > speakers out there offer some insight? Stefan's been a big help to me. He > borrowed the last known remaining copy of Makerle's "Air-Cooled Automotive > Engines" bible from the Polish National library, had it copied, and mailed > it to me! Thanks again, Stefan... > > Thanks, > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 05:57:34 -0500 From: David Lininger To: "KR Net" Subject: Re: KR>RED OAK - GATHERING Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030825055629.009ead00@mail.positech.net> In-Reply-To: <011401c36ab1$1368d960$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 20 At 09:32 PM 8/24/03 -0500, Mark Jones wrote: >Roll Call....who is going? I'll be there on Saturday only. Sounds like my son will be joining me this year. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:03:47 +0100 From: "Serge F. Vidal" To: "'KR builders and pilots'" Subject: KR>Migrant KR2 Message-ID: <000c01c36af9$0438d420$2c0101c0@ate.com> In-Reply-To: <012201c36ab1$d66f9b60$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 21 Dear Netheads, My KR2, ZS-WEC, has successfully completed a very long trip, from South Africa to Tunisia (North Africa). No glory in it: it travelled in a shipping container, together with my furniture! Just before I shipped the plane, I finally managed to upgrade the engine from a stock VW 2 liter, to a fancy 2.4 liter. Also, the electronic ignition is now full dual. All that did not go without teething problems. At a point, the brand new engine even seized, due to a faulty oil bypass valve! The CHT is also on the high side, so I will probably have to improve the air cooling as well. Yet, despite the tight schedule, I finally managed to test fly the aircraft for about two hours. What I can tell you is that it feels very, very different! Before, considering the high density altitude in Johannesburg, the plane did not want to take-off. Now, it is reluctant to land! At last, I understand why people are crazy about the KR. Give it enough power, and it flies like a dream. I can't wait for a flight at sea level. Anyway, the next challenge is just ahead: going through customs in Tunisia. Here, general aviation, let alone private plane ownership or even homebuilding, is almost non-existant. It seems that it is the first time that a plane comes in this country by sea, and customs simply don't know how to handle it. Understandably, they are also nervous about the "security" implications. Oh, well! As they say here, Inch'Allah! (As per God's will!) I would like to thank Norman Stapelberg, who can rightfully claim all the credit for the modification, and much, much more. It's people like him that make homebuilding such a great experience. Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Tunis, Tunisia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:24:12 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Next Wave Message-ID: <01cf01c36afb$692ba770$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> References: <003d01c36b57$c310f0e0$0200a8c0@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 22 Jim Vance wrote: > N303JV is a standard length KR-2 with the new wing, powered by a Great Plains 1835 cc VW. I was too quick to decide on something standard and simple (hindsight is always 20-20). Don't feel too bad. If your GPASC engine was "factory built" by GPASC, at least you can get hull insurance. That's not something us Corvair guys can do yet, although there is a move afoot to prove that the Vair is a safe, reliable engine... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:22:46 -0500 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Roll Call Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030825062246.007fb100@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <003401c36ab2$31f21ee0$05462141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 23 To paraphrase an old gospel song " when the roll is called in Red Oak I'll be there" ! This will be my 14th Gathering without a miss. Can anyone beat that? Larry Flesner ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 138, Issue 1 *************************************