From: To: Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 140, Issue 1 Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 12:02 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. KR2 plans (David Mikesell) 2. Re: RED OAK - GATHERING (larry severson) 3. RE: KR2 plans (James MacDonald) 4. Re: Wing wiring 5. Re: vw cooling tin (Dan Heath) 6. Re: Wing wiring 7. Diehl camber (Brian Kraut) 8. Re: Roll Call 9. Wing Profiles (Gavin Donohoe) 10. Re: LED lights (Dana Overall) 11. Re: Wing Profiles (Mark Langford) 12. Re: Wing Profiles (Mark Langford) 13. Roll Call 14. Re: Diehl camber (foxtrot) 15. Roll Call 16. cowling (larry severson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:11:29 -0700 From: "David Mikesell" To: Subject: KR>KR2 plans Message-ID: <001401c36c05$db6d1020$06fea8c0@davids> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1 I am looking for a set, please email price and condition, looking to buy = immeadiately. Thanks David Mikesell 23957 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-609-8774 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.comFrom philkr2s@moment.net Tue Aug 26 12:44:52 2003 Received: from mail.moment.net ([204.96.220.6]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19rjkK-000AhM-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:44:52 -0700 Received: (qmail 27792 invoked by uid 0); 26 Aug 2003 14:46:24 -0500 Received: from philkr2s@moment.net by mail.moment.net by uid 92 with qmail-scanner-1.12 (avp. Clear:. Processed in 10.573902 secs); 26 Aug 2003 19:46:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO oemcomputer) (208.33.23.213) by smtp.moment.net with SMTP; 26 Aug 2003 14:46:13 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c36c0a$a02d4520$0200a8c0@oemcomputer> From: "Phil Payne" To: "KR builders and pilots" References: <410-22003822616214540@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: KR>Roll call Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:45:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: I'll be there with two neighbors who are interested in KRs. We'll be driving from Kingsland, TX Phil Payne N39PP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Cooper" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:21 AM Subject: KR>Roll call > Sorry for the triple reply to the roll call. Still trying to get used to Earthlink. > > > Robert J. (Jack) Cooper > kr2cooper@earthlink.net > http://www.jackandsandycoooper.com/kr2 > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink._______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:51:27 -0700 From: larry severson To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>RED OAK - GATHERING Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030826125011.02860dd0@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <002b01c36bf1$9dfd0100$6401a8c0@greg> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2 KRs may have been designed in California, and the plans delivered from there, but no one does fly-ins there! At 09:46 AM 8/26/2003 -0700, you wrote: >I would love to go to Red Oak, but not that I'm unaware of a place called >Red Oak here in Calif. I just believe your talking about a location in the >eastern 1/2 of the country. > >Where the H...! is Red Oak. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:23:23 -0600 From: "James MacDonald" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: RE: KR>KR2 plans Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 3 I have 2 sets of plans for kr2s, fuselage at boat stage,elevator, rudder = in place,spars are complete and inspected, wing attach fittings, foam, = rudder petals and EA81 eng, plans for new airfoils. I want $1200.00 cdn = or $800.00 US. Phone James @ 1-403-328-5473 or 1-403-320-4157 daytime OR = EMAIL me at jmacdonald@city.lethbridge.ab.ca James MacDonald Alberta = Canada. -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of David Mikesell Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:11 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>KR2 plans I am looking for a set, please email price and condition, looking to buy = immeadiately. Thanks David Mikesell 23957 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-609-8774 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com_______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:30:22 EDT From: AviationMech@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Wing wiring Message-ID: <141.17efb763.2c7d1d5e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 In a message dated 8/25/2003 8:22:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, crainey1@cfl.rr.com writes: > painless way If the D section (area forward of the Spar) is foam, then you could make a long drill rod using some tubeing, and cutting some notches in the end and placing the other end in a large drill motor. Drill slow and after you are done, keep the tube in place and feed the wire. Orma, aka Aviationmech@aol.com N13116 1984 to 2003 19 years in a KR. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:30:28 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>vw cooling tin Message-ID: <3F4BDF84.000001.02868@Computer> References: <29.46cb17d1.2c7caf1c@aol.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 5 Cool tin is exactly what the name implies, it helps cool the engine.=20 Without the cool tin, the air will pass through the space between the cylinders without stopping to pick up any heat on the way by. The cool t= in causes the air to be turbulent and thus pass by all the hot places pickin= g up heat on the way.=0D =0D Simply, YES, you need it. Go to your local VW fix em up shop and get the= m cheap. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D =0D Under your heads you have a 1x1 orifice or deflector is it used on the=0D aircraft.=0D or do you just use the tins reason being i just overhauled the engine and= =0D lost one on the test flight it can be made easy but is it nessery?great planes=0D just shows the cly baffles=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D billy mcfarland=0D 2w6=0D flymaca711689@aol.com=0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2EFrom larry2@socal.rr.com Tue Aug 26 19:35:10 2003 Received: from orngca-mls01.socal.rr.com ([66.75.160.16]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19rq9O-000IIO-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:35:10 -0700 Received: from SteveCanyon.socal.rr.com (cpe-66-75-117-49.socal.rr.com [66.75.117.49]) by orngca-mls01.socal.rr.com (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h7R2XFT12802 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:33:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030826193542.02803c88@pop-server.socal.rr.com> X-Sender: larry2@pop-server.socal.rr.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:36:42 -0700 To: KR builders and pilots From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR>LED lights In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Went there - clicked on reference - no workee. At 07:47 AM 8/26/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Here is a quick pic of an LED installed on an F1 Rocket. For what it's >worth, Van's sells those plastic position light lens. They come as one >piece and the builder cuts them in two. There is plenty of left over >material for repositioning. Just looking at mine, I'm thinking it could >easily be cut to fit a KR wingtip. I'm sure Van's sells it for dirt cheap. > >http://www.f1-rocketboy.com/ledlites.html > > > > >Dana Overall >1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host >Richmond, KY >RV-7 slider/fuselage >Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments >http://rvflying.tripod.com >do not archive > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 03:38:50 GMT From: kstolls@juno.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Wing wiring Message-ID: <20030826.203912.2956.122934@webmail10.nyc.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6 "You could also use thin wall pipe and leave it in as a wireway if you don't mine the extra weight." ...If you do get a hole bored through and you want a light conduit for the wiring, I have found that Wal-Mart sells a very light and thin-walled tube that clips over your shower curtain rods to make the rod look nice. I glued a couple of those into the leading edge of my wings to run wiring through. They are very light and work nicely. They are easily inserted into each other (to get more length) as they are split down their length for installing over your curtain rod. Kerwyn Stoll ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:41:08 -0400 (GMT) From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Diehl camber Message-ID: <1235849.1061959191098.JavaMail.nobody@beaker.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 The camber on each wheel on my Diehl mains with the plane empty, no fuel, and no wings is five degrees. Can anyone comment on if that is about right on an empty taildragger KR? It looks a bit excessive eyeballing it, but I haven't had anyone around when I had the wings on so I could load it up and measure it at a normal weight. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:59:39 EDT From: Glenda26@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Roll Call Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Would not miss it. I will be there. Glenda McElwee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:02:46 +1000 From: Gavin Donohoe To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Wing Profiles Message-ID: <001301c36c82$67925f20$4a4d8690@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 9 Well Mark, I've got my plans now, and after all the to and froing about airfoils can you say conclusively which should be the best fit for the KR2S built from scratch?? I've read about the 5048 and agree it's probably the best. How many are flying and how is the performance shaping up?? Has there been any change from the 5048 section lately to anything more suited?? Gavin --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 14/08/2003 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:54:07 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>LED lights Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10 I just clicked on it and it took me right too it. The pages are pretty large in bit volume. You can try his home page, the LED link is about 10 links down on the left. I'll post both again. http://www.f1-rocketboy.com http://www.f1-rocketboy.com/ledlites.html Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive >From: larry severson >Reply-To: KR builders and pilots >To: KR builders and pilots >Subject: Re: KR>LED lights >Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:36:42 -0700 > >Went there - clicked on reference - no workee. > >At 07:47 AM 8/26/2003 -0400, you wrote: >>Here is a quick pic of an LED installed on an F1 Rocket. For what it's >>worth, Van's sells those plastic position light lens. They come as one >>piece and the builder cuts them in two. There is plenty of left over >>material for repositioning. Just looking at mine, I'm thinking it could >>easily be cut to fit a KR wingtip. I'm sure Van's sells it for dirt >>cheap. >> >>http://www.f1-rocketboy.com/ledlites.html >> >> >> >> >>Dana Overall >>1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host >>Richmond, KY >>RV-7 slider/fuselage >>Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments >>http://rvflying.tripod.com >>do not archive >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. >>http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > >Larry Severson >Fountain Valley, CA 92708 >(714) 968-9852 >larry2@socal.rr.com > > >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _________________________________________________________________ Enter for your chance to IM with Bon Jovi, Seal, Bow Wow, or Mary J Blige using MSN Messenger http://entertainment.msn.com/imastar ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:47:13 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Wing Profiles Message-ID: <003701c36c90$f560fb50$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> References: <001301c36c82$67925f20$4a4d8690@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 Gavin wrote: > >Well Mark, I've got my plans now, and after all the to and froing about airfoils can you say conclusively which should be the best fit for the KR2S built from scratch?? I've read about the 5048 and agree it's probably the best. How many are flying and how is the performance shaping up?? Has there been any change from the 5048 section lately to anything more suited??<< >From a purely physical standpoint, the taller AS5048 spar is slightly more difficult to make because the vertical pieces are tapered. A jig made from blocks screwed to the table makes that simple though (keeps them from sliding around while glueing), and might take you an extra 10 minutes. "Best fit" in all other ways I'd say the AS5048. Same stall speed, but higher top end. I don't know why anybody would use the RAF48 any more, but whatever floats your boat... See more airfoil details at http://www.krnet.org/as504x/ . There has been no further development. Gee, wasn't that enough? As far as I know, only Troy Pettway and Dean Selby are flying the new airfoils now. That is about to change significantly when the "new wave" gets here! Troy's wild about the new airfoil, but Dean's plane never had the RAF48 so he wouldn't be able to give you a comparison. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:51:48 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Wing Profiles Message-ID: <003d01c36c91$98f274b0$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> References: <001301c36c82$67925f20$4a4d8690@oemcomputer> <003701c36c90$f560fb50$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 I should point out that the airfoil designers do not recommend the AS5048 from tip to tip, but do recommend using the AS5048 at the root tapering to the AS5046, which is how I did the templates that are posted at the link mentioned earlier. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:01:34 EDT From: GGoble6555@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Roll Call Message-ID: <1c3.e2f3c33.2c7e05ae@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 Loren and Gloria Goble, Livingston MT will be at Red Oak. Wouldn't miss it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 08:04:26 -0500 (CDT) From: foxtrot To: Subject: Re: KR>Diehl camber Message-ID: <1219.64.49.57.39.1061989466.squirrel@webmail.dixie-net.com> In-Reply-To: <1235849.1061959191098.JavaMail.nobody@beaker.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <1235849.1061959191098.JavaMail.nobody@beaker.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 14 > The camber on each wheel on my Diehl mains with the plane empty, no > fuel, and no wings is five degrees. Can anyone comment on if that is > about right on an empty taildragger KR? It looks a bit excessive > eyeballing it, but I haven't had anyone around when I had the wings on > so I could load it up and measure it at a normal weight. > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html Brian, my camber on my Diehl gear also came out to five degrees. I called Dan and he said that that would be okay. my gear legs' angle worked out to be fifty degrees with the axle showing five degrees. Wayne Williams--Grenada, Ms. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:08:24 +0000 From: tomarickltd.nisbet@att.net To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Roll Call Message-ID: Precedence: list Message: 15 Toma and Rick Nisbet from Cheyenne WY will be there ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:01:01 -0700 From: larry severson To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>cowling Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030827115845.00b69e28@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 16 >I am starting on the cowling. Contouring with blocks of foam makes sense, >but how does one join the blocks? Everything that I have tried either has >insufficient holding power, or is too hard to sand, leaving ridges. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 140, Issue 1 *************************************