From: To: Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 143, Issue 1 Date: Saturday, August 30, 2003 12:01 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Email received 2. Re: Email received (Robert Sather) 3. embedded photos 4. embedded photos (larry flesner) 5. Re: Email received (Patrick Driscoll) 6. 2003 KR Gathering - Hotel Reservations! (larry severson) 7. Re: new KR builder - spar question (John and Janet Martindale) 8. Re: Contacting KR2 owners in Australia, Brisbane or Cairns areas (John and Janet Martindale) 9. Re: embedded photos (Dan Heath) 10. Re: KR2 vs Grumman Cheetah (Mark Jones) 11. Re: new KR builder - spar question (Clancey D Krumwiede) 12. Re: LED replacement of std. 12 vdc lights (Ron Eason) 13. Fwd:HUMOR: Blind pilots (David Lininger) 14. Red Oak or Bust (Bob Vermeulen) 15. Re: vertical winglets (Greg Martin) 16. Re: Re: vertical winglets (Mark Langford) 17. Red Oak 18. flaps ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:40:02 EDT From: Goreebethray@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Email received Message-ID: <12d.3032b6b8.2c811422@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 I just received an Emailfrom "membershipservi" Does anyone know who this is? I have not opened it . It is about membership info and Privacy info. Ray ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:02:14 -0600 From: "Robert Sather" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Email received Message-ID: <002d01c36e70$d30ddf00$5602a8c0@Belkin> References: <12d.3032b6b8.2c811422@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 I believe I got the same one. Don't believe I would open it. bobby do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 2:40 PM Subject: KR>Email received > I just received an Emailfrom "membershipservi" Does anyone know who this > is? I have not opened it . It is about membership info and Privacy info. > Ray > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:40:45 EDT From: Flymaca711689@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>embedded photos Message-ID: <133.2472ad6a.2c81306d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 can we send photos like this to the krnet or will it be booted? some kinda photo share be nice mac flying kr2 2w6 maryland billy mcfarland flymaca711689@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:11:02 -0500 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>embedded photos Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030829181102.00800680@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <133.2472ad6a.2c81306d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4 >can we send photos like this to the krnet or will it be booted? >some kinda photo share be nice mac >flying kr2 2w6 maryland >billy mcfarland >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Any attachments will be "clipped" by the system. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:40:58 -0500 From: "Patrick Driscoll" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Email received Message-ID: <004901c36e8f$61d16f40$9e8dd440@oemcomputer> References: <12d.3032b6b8.2c811422@aol.com> <002d01c36e70$d30ddf00$5602a8c0@Belkin> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 I got it and deleted it without looking. Pat Driscoll ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:02:49 -0700 From: larry severson To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>2003 KR Gathering - Hotel Reservations! Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030829175954.03178e08@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6 >I have a room booked at the Red Coach Inn starting the evening of the >11th- leaving Monday the 15th. I will be a single - non-smokeing!- if >anyone wants to share the room, or any part of the stay, let me know. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:27:00 +1000 From: "John and Janet Martindale" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>new KR builder - spar question Message-ID: <000501c36ea9$cf6c1040$a26ecacb@amipentium200> References: <20030820.095759.14426.4914@webmail05.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 Also remember that the thickness of these webs will affect the spacing of the WAFs as they slide into each other for wing attachment. John and Janet Martindale 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA ph: 61 2 6658 4767 email: johnjane@chc.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Turner" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 4:57 AM Subject: Re: KR>new KR builder - spar question > keith what you read is correct. You get a full web on the rear face of the forward spar and a full web on the forward face of the rear spar (outer wings). You also get a web on the front face of the front spar for the first 12" only. and you get a web on the back of the rear spar for 12" only. You don't need that extra web it only adds weight > Mike Turner > ----- Original Message ----- > From: red-bridge@juno.com > To: krnet@mylist.net > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:57 AM > Subject: KR>new KR builder - spar question > > > > Hello, > > Ok, so I've wanted to build a KR-1 since October, 1974 (yes, I still have the magazine) and I just now got around to ordering the plans. They have arrived and I am carefully reading the assembly instructions, trying to visualize this project. > > Step 4.2.10 includes this note: "the front spars have web full length only on the aft face. The aft spars have web full length only on the forward face." > > Huh? The accompanying drawings make no indication of this, and, if indeed this is the case, where does the web stop? Do other builders do this? Or, is this, like Monnett's "weight saving" spar holes in the Sonerii, advice best ignored? Should the web be full length of the spar on both faces? > > Thanks in advance. I'm sure I will have many more questions in the comming months and years. > > Keith C. Krumwiede > Rosedale, IN > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:29:01 +1000 From: "John and Janet Martindale" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Contacting KR2 owners in Australia, Brisbane or Cairns areas Message-ID: <000601c36ea9$d0e4f4a0$a26ecacb@amipentium200> References: <00cb01c36779$c0330a20$0300a8c0@t1w419> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Barry I'm in Coffs Harbour. Email me direct. There are others in Brisbane I can put you in touch with. John and Janet Martindale 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA ph: 61 2 6658 4767 email: johnjane@chc.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Kruyssen" To: Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:13 AM Subject: KR>Contacting KR2 owners in Australia, Brisbane or Cairns areas > Hi, > > I'm trying to contact KR2 owners in Australia, Brisbane or Cairns areas. > I'm looking to buy a KR2 completed with only 1 test flight and I want/need some guidance. > (I've never flown one) > > Thanks > Barry > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 06:47:07 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>embedded photos Message-ID: <3F5080AB.000017.00372@Computer> References: <133.2472ad6a.2c81306d@aol.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 9 If anyone wants to share photos, I will be glad to put them on our site a= nd let everyone know where they are. Send narrative and I will add that to them. Just e-mail the stuff to me. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Friday, August 29, 2003 6:42:50 PM=0D To: krnet@mylist.net=0D Subject: KR>embedded photos=0D =0D can we send photos like this to the krnet or will it be booted?=0D =0D some kinda photo share be nice mac=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D flying kr2 2w6 maryland=0D billy mcfarland=0D flymaca711689@aol.com=0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2EFrom AviationMech@aol.com Sat Aug 30 05:04:03 2003 Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.102]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19t4SZ-0005hY-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 05:04:03 -0700 Received: from AviationMech@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id g.170.2333b2ac (24895) for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:05:36 -0400 (EDT) From: AviationMech@aol.com Message-ID: <170.2333b2ac.2c81ed10@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:05:36 EDT To: krnet@mylist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>KR2 vs Grumman Cheetah X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Some one asked the EAA e HOT LINE to compare the KR 2 with the Cheetah and the answer is on line today ehotline@eaa.org Orma AKA AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com/aviationmech also see me at www.aviation-mechanics.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:25:51 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>KR2 vs Grumman Cheetah Message-ID: <002701c36ef1$da7cede0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <170.2333b2ac.2c81ed10@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 For those of you not signed up to receive the EAA electronic newsletter, here is the article: Q & A: Question of the Week Question for EAA Aviation Information Services: This probably sounds like a dumb question, but I would like to ask if a Grumman AA5A Cheetah flies anything like the KR2. Answer: The short answer to your question is no, they handle very differently. Let's compare the two. The gross weight of the KR-2 is less than the empty weight of the Cheetah. Wing loading of the Cheetah is approximately 16 lbs/sq ft, whereas the KR-2 is about 11 lbs/sq ft. That's a significant difference. Also, power loading of the Cheetah at gross weight is 15 lbs/hp, and the KR-2 is about 11 lbs/hp, also significant. What this all means is that the KR-2 is going to be a much "lighter" handling aircraft, with far different handling characteristics than the Cheetah. Also, the KR-2 is much smaller physically, which means that its takeoff, landing, and ground handling will be considerably different than the Cheetah. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 7:05 AM Subject: KR>KR2 vs Grumman Cheetah > Some one asked the EAA e HOT LINE to compare the KR 2 with the Cheetah and > the answer is on line today ehotline@eaa.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:19:09 -0500 From: Clancey D Krumwiede To: krnet@mylist.net Cc: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>new KR builder - spar question Message-ID: <20030830.081910.2572.0.red-bridge@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 This all makes perfect sense, but, I have read, re-read, and re-re-read this portion of the plans and this detail is not specified anywhere. Thank God for builders forums, eh? Keith Krumwiede On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:27:00 +1000 "John and Janet Martindale" writes: > Also remember that the thickness of these webs will affect the > spacing of > the WAFs as they slide into each other for wing attachment. > > John and Janet Martindale > 29 Jane Circuit > TOORMINA NSW 2452 > AUSTRALIA > > ph: 61 2 6658 4767 > email: johnjane@chc.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Turner" > To: "KR builders and pilots" > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 4:57 AM > Subject: Re: KR>new KR builder - spar question > > > > keith what you read is correct. You get a full web on the rear > face of the > forward spar and a full web on the forward face of the rear spar > (outer > wings). You also get a web on the front face of the front spar for > the first > 12" only. and you get a web on the back of the rear spar for 12" > only. You > don't need that extra web it only adds weight > > Mike Turner > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: red-bridge@juno.com > > To: krnet@mylist.net > > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:57 AM > > Subject: KR>new KR builder - spar question > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > Ok, so I've wanted to build a KR-1 since October, 1974 (yes, I > still > have the magazine) and I just now got around to ordering the plans. > They > have arrived and I am carefully reading the assembly instructions, > trying to > visualize this project. > > > > Step 4.2.10 includes this note: "the front spars have web full > length > only on the aft face. The aft spars have web full length only on the > forward > face." > > > > Huh? The accompanying drawings make no indication of this, and, > if > indeed this is the case, where does the web stop? Do other builders > do this? > Or, is this, like Monnett's "weight saving" spar holes in the > Sonerii, > advice best ignored? Should the web be full length of the spar on > both > faces? > > > Thanks in advance. I'm sure I will have many more questions in > the > comming months and years. > > > > Keith C. Krumwiede > > Rosedale, IN > > > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at > http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:28:54 -0700 From: "Ron Eason" To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Re: LED replacement of std. 12 vdc lights Message-ID: <200308300728.AA86245692@jrl-engineering.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 12 www.ledtronics.com You can replace almost any 12vdc bulb with LEDs. KRRon -- Ronald R. Eason Sr. Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. 816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO. Jim Eason V.P, 770-446-1291, Atlanta, Georgia Web Page: www.jrl-engineering.com -- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:09:57 -0500 From: David Lininger To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Fwd:HUMOR: Blind pilots Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030830100843.00a6ac80@mail.positech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 13 Got this from another list. Enjoy! >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >-- >One day at a busy airport, the passengers on a commercial >airliner are seated, waiting for the cockpit crew to show >up so they can get underway. > >The pilot and copilot finally appear in the rear of the plane, >and begin walking up to the cockpit through the center aisle. > >Both appear to be blind. > >The pilot is using a white cane, bumping into passengers right >and left as he stumbles down the aisle, and the copilot is using >a guide dog. Both have their eyes covered with huge >sunglasses. > >At first the passengers do not react; thinking that it must be >some sort of practical joke. However, after a few minutes the >engines start revving and the airplane starts moving down the >runway. > >The passengers look at each other with some uneasiness, >whispering among themselves and looking desperately to the >stewardesses for reassurance. > >Then the airplane starts accelerating rapidly and people begin >panicking. Some passengers are praying, and as the plane gets >closer and closer to the end of the runway, the voices are becoming >more and more hysterical. > >Finally, when the airplane has less than 20 feet of runway left, >there is a sudden change in the pitch of the shouts as everyone >screams at once, and at the very last moment the airplane lifts >off and is airborne. > >Up in the cockpit, the copilot breathes a sigh of relief and >turns to the pilot: "You know, one of these days the passengers >aren't going to scream, and we're gonna get killed! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:36:08 -0400 From: Bob Vermeulen To: "'krnet@mylist.net'" Subject: KR>Red Oak or Bust Message-ID: <01C36EF3.4A613A20@AUDIO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 14 I'll be there along with my production assistant Terry. We wouldn't = miss it. We'll have last years videos available on VHS or DVD as well = as previous videos. Arriving Thursday PM and departing Sunday AM. = Can't wait to see you all. Video Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:32:51 -0700 From: Greg Martin To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Re: vertical winglets Message-ID: <003701c36f14$5f0fb5c0$6401a8c0@greg> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15 Does anyone know if the wing tip (vertical winglets) add anything to the rate of climb or anything else in the performance of a small plane like the KR2? Greg S. Martin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:53:01 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Re: vertical winglets Message-ID: <022201c36f17$2c66a040$1202a8c0@basement> References: <003701c36f14$5f0fb5c0$6401a8c0@greg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16 > Does anyone know if the wing tip (vertical winglets) add anything to the > rate of climb or anything else in the performance of a small plane like the > KR2? I can't point to a specific reference for this "opinion", but I remember reading that they do help at speeds over 400 mph, so for our planes, they are probably not worth the trouble unless you want something that looks cool. The faster you go, the more they help, which is why airliners are now sporting them. Willy Willson told me at the last Gathering that British Airways had retrofitted them to their entire fleet of 747's (maybe all types, dunno), so at 600 mph, they obviously pay for themselves. Contradicting information is welcome, but that's all I've heard. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:54:19 EDT From: Goreebethray@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Red Oak Message-ID: <122.25c6e5b9.2c8230bb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 17 Anyone in the Ft Worth Dallas area interested in going to Red Oak and sharing expenses? Your car or mine. Contact me at goreebethray@aol.com Ray I would like to leave early Friday morning and return Sunday ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:03:16 EDT From: JStephenz@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>flaps Message-ID: <1a1.1990c074.2c8240e4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18 Does anyone know how much work it takes to retro fit flaps on a kr2s? Joel ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 143, Issue 1 *************************************