From: krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 147, Issue 2 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Strobe power supplies (Colin) 2. Re: assembly plant-REALLY DEEP Pockets (Bob Stone) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 13:52:22 -0400 From: "Colin" To: Subject: KR>Strobe power supplies Message-ID: <001801c37244$2097d5b0$05462141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1 Netters, I have an Aeroflash single flash 3 way Nav/Strobe/Position light = assembly. It contains 2 individual strobe power supplies. I am wondering = if it would cause problems mounting the power supplies in the first bay = of the wings themselves, and then sealing the rib back up? This = position puts them roughly the same distance as Mark found he had to be = from his radio in order to prevent RFI interference. Can they be bonded = directly to the bottom skin, or spar or should there be a wooden = insulator of some kind? Thanks in advance... Colin Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!From s2cable1@yahoo.com Wed Sep 03 10:53:26 2003 Received: from web40804.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.78.181]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19ubos-0000tS-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:53:26 -0700 Message-ID: <20030903175520.73130.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [130.76.64.17] by web40804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:55:20 PDT Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:55:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Cable Subject: RE: KR>assembly plant-REALLY DEEP Pockets To: KR builders and pilots In-Reply-To: <20030902020423.10613.qmail@web40311.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Dear Gen. Locker, I sure hope that you and your partner's pockets are REALLY deep. In case you were not aware: The KR Series aircraft are homebuilt experimental category aircraft. If you plan on selling completed aircraft as stated earlier, the FAA would require you to certify this aircraft per FAR23 for Utility Aircraft, and only use certified aircraft components FAR 21-23. Or you could spend the time and mega-bucks to go through the process of certifying a VW or other automotive based engine. (not likely). Also you will need to get Import Airworthiness Approval: "This approval (documentation) is required for airworthiness certification of aircraft, engines, propellers, materials, parts, and appliances imported into the United States from any country that has a bilateral agreement with the United States." Type in qutes were copied directly from: http://www2.faa.gov/certification/aircraft/ The reason why most General Aviation aircraft are so expensive, is that they have completed a rigorous certification process, and all of their components have underwent a similar certification process. So if you would like to continue in this venture, you are most certainly going to need to employ several qualified Strength Engineers, several Quality Control engineers, and several Liason engineers, for at least 24 months just to get started. It is certainly generous of you to offer the KR community TYPE certification, thankfully,most KR builders will be able to have their aircraft certified as type by being able to prove similar build methods and materials. Wow, no more experimental placards, lower insurance..... While you are at with those deep pockets, I'm an Aerospace Design Engineer, have my MRB, and am also a KR builder. If you're hiring, are you offering benefits? I'll need 3 weeks paid vacation, full medical and dental, 401k...Matching up to 7%? ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Linden, MI s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 13:42:22 -0500 From: "Bob Stone" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>assembly plant-REALLY DEEP Pockets Message-ID: <000a01c3724b$1cc08ac0$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> References: <20030903175520.73130.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Scott, You are correct about everything you said to General Locker except the reason for certified aircraft being so high in price. Part of the reason of course is inflation but the real reason is law suits against aircraft manufactures. When I learned to fly way back in 1973 I could have bought a Cesna Skyhawk equiped for VFR flight for about $28,000.00 Now the same aircraft is more that $125,000.00 and the price increase is to cover the cost of paying judgments. Many aircraft manufactures stopped producing small aircraft for about ten years because of the damages they were having to pay out. This is also the reason so many people who want an aircraft and want to save money are buying a kit, taking it to one of the many so called business that advertise they will help. The aircraft is built almost l00% by the business and the customer is listed as the builder. Since the owner is shown on all the paperwork as the builder, he can sue no one if he has a accident. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cable" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 12:55 PM Subject: RE: KR>assembly plant-REALLY DEEP Pockets > Dear Gen. Locker, > I sure hope that you and your partner's pockets are > REALLY deep. > In case you were not aware: The KR Series aircraft are homebuilt > experimental category aircraft. If you plan on selling completed > aircraft as stated earlier, the FAA would require you to certify this > aircraft per FAR23 for Utility Aircraft, and only use > certified aircraft components FAR 21-23. Or you could > spend the time and mega-bucks to go through the > process of certifying a VW or other automotive based > engine. (not likely). Also you will need to get > Import Airworthiness Approval: "This approval > (documentation) is required for airworthiness > certification of aircraft, engines, propellers, > materials, parts, and appliances imported into the > United States from any country that has a > bilateral agreement with the United States." > Type in qutes were copied directly from: > http://www2.faa.gov/certification/aircraft/ > > The reason why most General Aviation aircraft are so expensive, is > that they have completed a rigorous certification process, and all of > their components have underwent a similar certification process. > > So if you would like to continue in this venture, > you are most certainly going to need to employ several qualified > Strength Engineers, several Quality Control engineers, and several > Liason engineers, for at least 24 months just to get started. > It is certainly generous of you to offer the KR > community TYPE certification, thankfully,most KR > builders will be able to have their aircraft certified > as type by being able to prove similar build methods > and materials. Wow, no more experimental placards, > lower insurance..... > While you are at with those deep pockets, I'm an > Aerospace Design Engineer, have my MRB, and am also a > KR builder. If you're hiring, are you offering > benefits? I'll need 3 weeks paid vacation, full > medical and dental, 401k...Matching up to 7%? > > > ===== > Scott Cable > KR-2S # 735 > Linden, MI > s2cable1@yahoo.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 147, Issue 2 *************************************