From: krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:50 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 147, Issue 3 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: assembly plant 2. Re: VW/Zenith carb (Dene Collett (SA)) 3. Strobes (Dana Overall) 4. Re: assembly plant (Dana Overall) 5. Dancing in the street (Colin) 6. Re: assembly plant (larry flesner) 7. Re: Dancing in the street (Jim Sellars) 8. Re: assembly plant 9. Re: Re:checking on general 10. Re: assembly plant 11. Re: assembly plant (Dana Overall) 12. Re: assembly plant (Max Hardberger) 13. Re: assembly plant (Max Hardberger) 14. Re: assembly plant (Mark Jones) 15. Re: assembly plant (Phil Matheson) 16. Stratomaster Glass Panels (Peter Johnson) 17. Re: glide ratio (Mike Turner) 18. Re: glide ratio (Dan Heath) 19. Re: power glider KR2 (Phil Matheson) 20. Re: assembly plant 21. Re: assembly plant (Mark Langford) 22. Re: assembly plant (Max Hardberger) 23. Re: assembly plant (Max Hardberger) 24. Re: glide ratio (Mike Turner) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:53:25 EDT From: Ronevogt@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>assembly plant Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 Netters; My room mate from flight school is now a colonel in the USMC. I can check, through him, so see if "The General" was really in the Corps, or if he was a phony. Anyone interested? RV ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 22:23:28 +0200 From: "Dene Collett (SA)" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>VW/Zenith carb Message-ID: <000001c37254$ce8d6c60$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179> References: <352059.1062476285339.JavaMail.nobody@grover.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 > Can anyone else with this engine and throttle combination comment on > this? Hi Brian I am no expert on motors at all especially aircraft motors, but would the lack of a vacuum advance not have anything to do with the lack of response. This I would imagine be aggrivated by the lack of an accelerator pump as well. Hope this sheds some light on the problem. Cheers Dene Collett South Africa dene.collett@telkomsa.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 16:12:45 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Strobes Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3 Here is an RV link from a guy who apparently still has that, "I can it myself" attitude with an RV:-) Check it out, on the cheap strobes. http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Oldsfolks@aol.com.09.03.2003/index.html Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 16:23:49 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>assembly plant Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4 RV, the general has done so little homework you would probably spend more time in doing so than he has done in preparation for his post. General, we really are not bashing for the sake of bashing it is just so painfully obvious you have not done a bit of homework. Man, if you can do this for less than a couple million (look an Lancair, it almost sent them into bankruptcy) and in less than 5 years I'll make a promise...............Upon reaching youjr 1st. year in operation anniversary, I'll dance naked in the street in front of your airplane factory until I get thrown in a Mexican jail. Anybody care to join me and make a kanga line?? Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive >From: Ronevogt@aol.com >Reply-To: KR builders and pilots >To: krnet@mylist.net >Subject: Re: KR>assembly plant >Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:53:25 EDT > >Netters; > My room mate from flight school is now a colonel in the USMC. I >can check, through him, so see if "The General" was really in the >Corps, or if he was a phony. Anyone interested? > >RV >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 16:46:10 -0400 From: "Colin" To: Subject: KR>Dancing in the street Message-ID: <001c01c3725c$68508150$05462141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 5 Count me in Dana!!!!!! Colin Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!From SRMAKISH@aol.com Wed Sep 03 13:49:24 2003 Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.104]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19ueZA-0004z4-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 13:49:24 -0700 Received: from SRMAKISH@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id g.75.1854e8c5 (2519) for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 16:51:12 -0400 (EDT) From: SRMAKISH@aol.com Message-ID: <75.1854e8c5.2c87ae40@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 16:51:12 EDT To: krnet@mylist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6015 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>what glide ratio? X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Hi Larry. I looked back at my knee pad writings, this was about 10 years ago. I had the soob and did idle it at 1500 rpm to keep the temps up. With a 1.69 reduction this was about 850-900 rpm at the prop. I do know according to my notes that it took me a long time to get down to 1500 feet and that was 65 miles from the start of my decent. and 10 miles from my home field. I enjoyed the ride, locked on my wing leveler/autopilot and listened to my stereo !! It was a nice smooth ride. The Kr will fly at idle, and I did not have the nerve to shut down the engine although I have done that over a grass strip (Just in case) Cheers, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 16:57:42 -0500 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>assembly plant Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030903165742.007944d0@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6 ..............Upon >reaching youjr 1st. year in operation anniversary, I'll dance naked in >the >street in front of your airplane factory until I get thrown in a Mexican >jail. Anybody care to join me and make a kanga line?? >>Dana Overall ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Not if you really plan to do it NAKED I won't and I've heard stories about those Mexican jails !! :-) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:35:27 -0300 From: "Jim Sellars" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Dancing in the street Message-ID: <001301c3726b$ae245670$9aa89aa5@LAPTOP> References: <001c01c3725c$68508150$05462141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 Dana I will make the trip too! Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 5:46 PM Subject: KR>Dancing in the street Count me in Dana!!!!!! Colin Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!_______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 18:59:17 EDT From: SALTMINES@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Cc: TheStarNav@aol.com Subject: Re: KR>assembly plant Message-ID: <1e3.f5cbdac.2c87cc45@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 This...debate?...curiouser and curiouser. I've been an entrepreneur all of my life; ideas appear and then things are made to happen, sometimes it is a great leap forward, sometimes it's like tumbling down a hill. But it is movement, not static, and usually exciting as hell. I seem to be witnessing a bunch of gut reactions, little thought or circumspection. Would certainly have expected better from dreamers that build their dreams and make them happen. If you (the few, not all, responders to Gerald Locker) had approached his seeming intrusion into the KR world as you would a technical sticking point with a KR building procedure it would have been criticized a little, analyzed a lot, and hopefully with or without a consensus there'd be no harm, no foul. We'd all keep going forward. I'm aware that the initial post from the 'General' seemed somewhat naive in several respects. I personally have to assume that he arrived here well intentioned and probably expected to be welcomed in a spirit of camaraderie and fellowship. He hasn't demonstrated any ill will; he has demonstrated a desire to have a piece of the pie. . .and a desire to become more knowledgeable about the KR. I think we all kind of are in that category. This list right now is the Mecca for KR builders, and rightly so. There is more access here to real and varied knowledge of the KR then anywhere else that I'm aware of. Where else should this man have gone.? Stephen Mines/KR2 Saltmines@aol.com PS: At the ridiculous amount of money that I pay myself, this is a helluva lot more than my 2 cents worth, but seemed right to say it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:14:42 -0400 From: To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Re: Re:checking on general Message-ID: <20030903231442.VYHM1847.imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 don't check. the uncertainty creates more interest. I want to buy a half done kr and unsure of the quality--glad to see the turmoil-relieves me of making a decision. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:15:33 EDT From: SALTMINES@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>assembly plant Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 In a message dated 9/3/03 12:50:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Ronevogt@aol.com writes: > Subj: Re: KR>assembly plant > Date: 9/3/03 12:50:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time > From: Ronevogt@aol.com > Reply-to: krnet@mylist.net > To: krnet@mylist.net > Sent from the Internet > > > > Netters; > My room mate from flight school is now a colonel in the USMC. I > can > check, through him, so see if "The General" was really in the Corps, or if > he was > a phony. Anyone interested? > > RV > _______________________________________________ > Sure, we could call the inquiry "Thunder On Sycamore Street" or "The Crucible". Rake all the muck you have the stomach for, just don't ask me to shovel alongside. Stephen Mines/KR2 Saltmines@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 19:17:06 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>assembly plant Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11 >From: SALTMINES@aol.com >This list right now is the Mecca for KR builders, and rightly so. >There is more access here to real and varied knowledge of the KR then >anywhere else that I'm aware of. Where else should this man have >gone.? > >Stephen Mines/KR2 >Saltmines@aol.com While I agree wholeheartedly, a little prior research...........even just a little, would have been more than appropriate. If he can pull this off, more power too him. I think he has been provided a wealth of information already. Look at most of the posts, there are ideas, thoughts and forwarnings of prior failures and potholes to avoid. If you look at most of the posts, there is valuable business information therein that was excluded from his initial and subsequent posts. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 18:22:40 -0500 From: "Max Hardberger" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>assembly plant Message-ID: <008701c37272$45420a60$0100a8c0@toshibauser> References: <1e3.f5cbdac.2c87cc45@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 DEAR LIST MANAGER HAVE I DONE SOMETHING WRONG AS WELL? I ATTEMPTED TO POST A THOUGHT REGARDING GENERAL LOCKER'S POST, AND WAS REJECTED SUMMARILY. MAX HARDBERGER ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 5:59 PM Subject: Re: KR>assembly plant > This...debate?...curiouser and curiouser. > > I've been an entrepreneur all of my life; ideas appear and then things > are made to happen, sometimes it is a great leap forward, sometimes > it's like tumbling down a hill. > > But it is movement, not static, and usually exciting as hell. > > I seem to be witnessing a bunch of gut reactions, little thought or > circumspection. > > Would certainly have expected better from dreamers that build their > dreams and make them happen. If you (the few, not all, responders to > Gerald Locker) > had approached his seeming intrusion into the KR world as you would a technical > sticking point with a KR building procedure it would have been > criticized a > little, analyzed a lot, and hopefully with or without a consensus > there'd be no > harm, no foul. We'd all keep going forward. > > I'm aware that the initial post from the 'General' seemed somewhat > naive in > several respects. I personally have to assume that he arrived here > well intentioned and probably expected to be welcomed in a spirit of camaraderie and > fellowship. He hasn't demonstrated any ill will; he has demonstrated > a desire to > have a piece of the pie. . .and a desire to become more knowledgeable about > the KR. I think we all kind of are in that category. > > This list right now is the Mecca for KR builders, and rightly so. > There is > more access here to real and varied knowledge of the KR then anywhere > else that > I'm aware of. Where else should this man have gone.? > > Stephen Mines/KR2 > Saltmines@aol.com > > PS: At the ridiculous amount of money that I pay myself, this is a > helluva lot more than my 2 cents worth, but seemed right to say it. > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 18:25:21 -0500 From: "Max Hardberger" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>assembly plant Message-ID: <009701c37272$a597c0d0$0100a8c0@toshibauser> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 SORRY, MY LAST POST APPEARED. HERE IS THE TEXT OF A PREVIOUS POST: The brigadier may have been misguided and have approached the project bass-ackward, but Sport Plane regulations are coming, and, like it or not, foreign-manufactured aircraft (completed, not kits) are coming. In fact, I am now working with a Ukrainian manufacturer who is looking to get his two-place taildragger approved for import when the SP regulations are implemented. For the same reasons that the members of this group have chosen the KR design, foreign manufacturers looking for a popular design to convert to assembly-line production methods will probably consider the KR as well as other present "homebuilt" designs. The appeal of an aircraft for a manufacturer lies in its lines and performance, not in its construction material or methods, which, in any case, would be radically altered in the process of tooling up for volume manufacturing. There are a number of advanced techniques gaining acceptance among manufacturers of lightweight, high-power vehicles, including vacuum-bagging and automated panel-lamination. Advances in injection molding--and particularly in strength-of-materials for non-fiber-reinforced plastics--will probably allow, in the near future, for non-labor-intensive construction of molded fuselage panels and perhaps even wings and control surfaces. Although the tooling and start-up costs for this kind of manufacturing will probably always be beyond the reach of homebuilders, they do make sense for manufacturers. Such advances, and the advantages of pre-tooling and computer-controlled cutting, may even make the production aircraft lighter and more accurately built than the average homebuilt KR. Further, the lines of the KR-2/2S appear suitable to such techniques, being relatively clean and free of protrubrances. The questions of quality control and commitment to safety are properly answered by examining the corporate philosophy of the manufacturer and his technical and financial resources. There are many Russian and Ukrainian aircraft, for example, that have stood the test of time and have proven safe and reliable aircraft, all (gasp!) without FAA intervention or regulation. Certainly there is nothing improper in a prospective manufacturer exploring the possibilities of taking advantage of the new sport-plane regulations by investigating existing designs before reinventing the wheel, as long as he makes the proper arrangements with the owner of any design he decides to use. It's just that he should bring aircraft manufacturing expertise to the project, and not alienate those in a position to help him by showing his lack of knowledge, i.e., by pronouncing an intention to put a fixed O2 system in a low-altitude aircraft. Max Hardberger Admiralty Associates LLC (877) 732-5298 tel. (562) 684-4539 fax ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 18:31:32 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>assembly plant Message-ID: <002901c37273$8351fda0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 Hey Dana, Only if you wear a skirt first!!!!! Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" > Upon > reaching youjr 1st. year in operation anniversary, I'll dance naked in > the street in front of your airplane factory until I get thrown in a > Mexican jail. Anybody care to join me and make a kanga line?? > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 09:40:49 +1000 From: "Phil Matheson" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>assembly plant Message-ID: <003801c37274$cecf22c0$2f97dccb@Office> References: <20030903144918.1548.qmail@web20513.mail.yahoo.com> <01fa01c3723e$9cb12620$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15 I thought we were open to anyone that is interested in KR's Give him a fair go. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( reserved) 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 18:46:06 -0700 From: "Peter Johnson" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Stratomaster Glass Panels Message-ID: <00d601c37286$80a9c660$37431a45@peter> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16 Has anyone looked at the Stratomaster line of glass panels? Does anyone have any experience with them? They look like a heck of deal...! mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:17:33 -0500 From: "Mike Turner" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>glide ratio Message-ID: References: <3.0.6.32.20030902225343.0080ec20@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 17 Does this make the KR a powered glider?? =20 Mike Turner ----- Original Message -----=20 From: larry flesner=20 To: KR builders and pilots=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 10:53 PM Subject: KR>glide ratio I have=20 >had my bird to 14,500 feet and still had good response and climbing = at 300=20 >fpm indicating 120 mph. It sure was cold up there. I put the engine = to idle, set=20 >the speed at 95 mph and glided back to fort Lauderdale exec which was = 70=20 >miles away.=20 >Steve ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve, That would be a 25.5 to 1 glide ratio ! Are you sure you idle=20 wasn't set a bit fast !! :-) Larry Flesner _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 20:23:20 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>glide ratio Message-ID: <3F5685F8.000001.03712@Computer> References: Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 18 I do believe that there was a KR1B, but I don't know if any were ever bui= lt. =0D =0D But, no, the KR is no glider.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 8:17:54 PM=0D To: KR builders and pilots=0D Subject: Re: KR>glide ratio=0D =0D Does this make the KR a powered glider??=0D =0D Mike Turner=0D =20From rfreiberger@earthlink.net Wed Sep 03 18:08:16 2003 Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.188]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19uibg-00096I-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 18:08:16 -0700 Received: from dialup-67.29.218.115.dial1.cincinnati1.level3.net ([67.29.218.115] helo=zippersystems) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19uidW-0003Bq-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 18:10:10 -0700 From: To: "KR Builders and Flyers" Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 20:10:05 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C37257.5DAE6FA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-ELNK-Trace: eeca9bb03c225c992ced0dad352f0fd39ef193a6bfc3dd4859c89410769c6dbd3dd6113637fc5bf90ca2637590cc961d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Subject: KR>Asssembly plant and Sport Pilot X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com, KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C37257.5DAE6FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been examining the Sport Pilot issue, and I don't believe a KR2 can qualify. The design can be modified to do so, and I think that's what I'll do, but it will screw up most of the attributes we are looking for in a KRAnything. Actually, what I want to do is fly without a medical, and use parts on hand. Long wings, slow, low powered. Not what the General was planning on, that's for sure. Actually, I think the General is not planning, he's wishful thinking. Else, I suspect it's a hoax. 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Precedence: list Message: 19 We do have a Ultralight KR2 in Australia, It has ( from memory) 27 or 28 feet wing span and I'm told it flies very well Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( reserved) 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:28:00 EDT From: WA7YXF@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>assembly plant Message-ID: <155.23c4379e.2c87ef20@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 20 Gee whiz Max, you don't have to shout. Lynn DEAR LIST MANAGER HAVE I DONE SOMETHING WRONG AS WELL? I ATTEMPTED TO POST A THOUGHT REGARDING GENERAL LOCKER'S POST, AND WAS REJECTED SUMMARILY. MAX HARDBERGER ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 20:32:15 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>assembly plant Message-ID: <0d9401c37284$649064e0$1202a8c0@basement> References: <155.23c4379e.2c87ef20@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 21 > Gee whiz Max, you don't have to shout. Lynn Yep, I never cease to be amazed at how quick people ASSume that I've deliberately done something to step on their freedom of speech... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 20:32:41 -0500 From: "Max Hardberger" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>assembly plant Message-ID: <004501c37284$6f245f10$0100a8c0@toshibauser> References: <155.23c4379e.2c87ef20@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 22 I'm sorry, I didn't intend to shout. Many of my clients are not native English speakers, and I sometimes type in capitals for clarity. I meant nothing more. Since this is the only list I've ever been on, I didn't realize that capitals would be taken as "shouting." Max ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 20:46:22 -0500 From: "Max Hardberger" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>assembly plant Message-ID: <004b01c37286$59a92fb0$0100a8c0@toshibauser> References: <155.23c4379e.2c87ef20@aol.com> <0d9401c37284$649064e0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 23 Dear Mark Although your post was not addressed to me directly, I take it that I am the ASS. I have not accused anyone of stepping on my freedom of speed, I just wondered why my post was rejected. I don't know anything about posts, and when the general said that he'd been "delisted" I thought maybe I had been also. As I have explained, I meant nothing by using capitals--in the shipping business, where telexes were our means of communication for many years, that was all we had--and I certainly didn't intend to shout. That said, however, I am not accustomed to being called an ass, and I certainly wouldn't call someone that under similar circumstances. Max Hardberger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 20:50:54 -0500 From: "Mike Turner" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>glide ratio Message-ID: References: <3F5685F8.000001.03712@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 24 dan, what I was referring to was the mim. requirment to be considered a = glider. I seem to recall somewhere (I could be wrong) that the FAA = (friendly aviator association) required at least a 20 to 1 glide ratio = ie..747 ect.. Mike Turner ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Heath=20 To: krnet@mylist.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 7:23 PM Subject: Re: KR>glide ratio I do believe that there was a KR1B, but I don't know if any were ever = built. But, no, the KR is no glider. =20 N64KR =20 Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC =20 DanRH@KR-Builder.org =20 See you in Red Oak - 2003 =20 See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org =20 -------Original Message------- =20 From: KR builders and pilots Date: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 8:17:54 PM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>glide ratio =20 Does this make the KR a powered glider?? =20 Mike Turner _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 147, Issue 3 *************************************