From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 6:52 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 151, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: assembly plant (Dan Heath) 2. KR 2 for sale $6,500 (feral) 3. Need A&P in VT (Brant Hollensbe) 4. Re: RED OAK TRAVELERS (Dan Heath) 5. Rooms in Red Oak 6. Re: Gathering Roll Call (Elva Miller) 7. New Photos (Mark Jones) 8. KR 4 sale (Colin) 9. compu fire 10. Looking for exhaust parts for Rotax 503 (David Mikesell) 11. Ammeter (John and Janet Martindale) 12. Re: New Photos (Dan Heath) 13. Re: RED OAK TRAVELERS (Larry Wayne Williams) 14. Building a KR2 (Colin) 15. Re: RED OAK room? (Ed Janssen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:04:21 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>assembly plant Message-ID: <3F5A2FB5.000001.04028@Computer> References: <004901c3749f$065dab90$2fb2fea9@yourib3g4dzt9h> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1 I have added an inbox rule to dump all messages with the subject "assemb= ly plant".=0D =0D nuff.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From flykr2s@wi.rr.com Sat Sep 06 12:07:04 2003 Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com ([24.94.166.129]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19viOm-0000uZ-00 for KRnet@mylist.net; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 12:07:04 -0700 Received: from mark (CPE-65-31-89-55.wi.rr.com [65.31.89.55]) by ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with SMTP id h86J91rx006413 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 14:09:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003c01c374aa$59f9a0a0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 14:09:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>2004 Gathering 2004 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: I have heard very little mention, virtually none, as to who would like = to host the 2004 Gathering and where. Remember, all options must be = presented to the group at the Gathering Banquet and then it is voted on. = If you want to host the Gathering in 2004, get your presentation ready = for next Saturday night's Banquet. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 02:53:15 -0400 From: "feral" To: Subject: KR>KR 2 for sale $6,500 Message-ID: <002401c3750c$b7c05b40$8f1dacd1@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 2 Located near Lake City, Mich. Has two run in hours on a 2100 HAPI VW = engine. For more information contact farrell@netonecom.net or phone 231 = 328 4806.From WA7YXF@aol.com Sat Sep 06 13:22:44 2003 Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.102]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19vjZz-0001Yp-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 13:22:43 -0700 Received: from WA7YXF@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id g.ca.216e5197 (16335) for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:24:41 -0400 (EDT) From: WA7YXF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:24:41 EDT To: krnet@mylist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10689 Subject: KR>No brakes, need help X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Does anyone have anything they might add to the information below. I'm=20 beginning the think the Great Plains cylinders are not compatible with my HA= PI wheel=20 brakes. Lynn N37LH =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- If you are using our Great Plains master cylinders, brake bleeding can only=20 be accomplished by filling the system from the master cylinders down to the=20 caliper. =20 Attach the filler bottle to the master cylinder.=20 The master cylinder must be tipped at a 45=BA angle so that the line and=20 fitting coming out of the cylinder is the highest point of the cylinder. =20 This allows the trapped air in the cylinder to escape up and out of the line= ,=20 as the cylinder fills with fluid. =20 Open the bleed screw on the master cylinder and the caliper=20 1/2 turn and begin slowly filling the master cylinder.=20 As the cylinder is filled, the air will be expelled out of the master=20 cylinder and down the line to the caliper.=20 Once all the air is out of the cylinder, fluid will fill the line down to th= e=20 wheel caliper.=20 As the wheel caliper is filled, the air in it will be pushed out of the blee= d=20 screw.=20 Once fluid comes out of the caliper bleed screw, the system is bled. Close=20 both bleed screws and you are done. =20 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 05:04:02 -0500 From: "Brant Hollensbe" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Need A&P in VT Message-ID: <000901c3745e$33202b80$1902a8c0@WorkGroup> References: <000a01c33b78$f3794070$22df1818@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Hi Guys While I'm busy building my KR-2S, I have grown tired of renting someone elses airpane. So I'm about to purchase a Cherokee in Vermont. Yes I know its a spam can, but aiplanes are a series of compromises. What I need is a reliable A&P to do a prebuy inspection for me in the area of Rutland, VT. If any of you builders living in the great Northeast can recommend a name for me , I certainly would be happy to buy you a few cold brews at Red Oak next weekend. Thanks, Please contact me off net. Brant Hollensbe Bhollensbe@mchsi.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 19:20:11 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>RED OAK TRAVELERS Message-ID: <3F5A6BAB.000003.04028@Computer> References: <001301c3748d$ba205e00$5ea45940@waynewil> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 Wayne Williams, send me your e-mail address. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From billyboywalsh@yahoo.com Sat Sep 06 18:00:57 2003 Received: from web41505.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.88]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19vnvF-0003Sf-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 18:00:57 -0700 Message-ID: <20030907010300.8927.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.161.32.39] by web41505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 18:03:00 PDT Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 18:03:00 -0700 (PDT) From: william walsh Subject: Re: KR>KR2 on ebay To: KR builders and pilots In-Reply-To: <001101c37458$72059b60$05462141@Beverly> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: i think that you need to do some home work. the eng only has 200+hrs and it has never been balled up. the paint was from a shit painter and paint is only about 300$ unless you don't know how to paint. the gear work very nice. any plane that flys and is a proven a/c is one that is worth what i am asking in my time looking a kr's i have seen a lot of shit get sold that i not worthy to even fly and that is why there are so many people that loss there lifes over trash. so that sums up what i think and i can't remember asking you any thing about my plane. --- Colin wrote: > William, > You obviously have not done your research, either. > The engine has 675TT on a 1000hour TBO, so its worth > less than half a new engine. The airframe has the > old and unreliable original retracts, which will > surely need the lock mechanism updated or replaced. > The add it self says the paint needs replacing. > Assuming (here we go again) that it could be worth > $10K, nearly $2K off that to paint it, $1K for gear > replacement to non-retracts or machine shop remake > of parts, $2k for the worn engine, and $1k for > incidentals. I would say that Dan was pretty much > right in the market. If you are comparing to > certified aircraft, or attempting to include labor, > you are dreaming! > Colin Rainey KR2(td) > crainey1@cfl.rr.com > Sanford, Florida > FLY > SAFE!!!!_______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 21:07:40 EDT From: Goreebethray@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Rooms in Red Oak Message-ID: <19e.19a8ebea.2c8bdedc@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 I tried to send an Email to the long address on the net Email. But, Mailer Daemon sent it back. What nights do you have reserved. Ray goreebethray@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 19:9:55 -0700 From: "Elva Miller" To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Gathering Roll Call Message-ID: <200309070110.h871AMEJ013897@krusty.pcisys.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 6 I'll be driving in from colorado ,arriving Thur. night or early fri. and leaving Sun Morning glassing the wings on N701EM Elva Miller elmiller@pcisys.net 2003-09-06 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 20:58:53 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" , "Corvaircraft" Subject: KR>New Photos Message-ID: <009101c374e3$97e56fa0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 7 I have been working on my cowl and have posted new photos on the "Photo = of the Week" page. Here is the link: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/photo.html I pulled the cowl from a mold and then cut out the sections which did = not fit my set up. My firewall is a little wider than the stock = firewall. After I cut out the sections, I then filled with foam and = sanded to shape. The photos tell the story.=20 Hoping to make Red Oak....it's questionable right now. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 22:31:27 -0400 From: "Colin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>KR 4 sale Message-ID: <000d01c374e8$23d6cbe0$05462141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 8 William, It is for sale and therefore out in the open to be evaluated; that is = what people do in order to buy it. I don't want to sound antagonistic, but if it is such a chariot, why are = you selling it? The original retracts are known for problems, are a bad design to try to = retract them on climbout, while maintaining aircraft control, and any = paint job that is $300 is an Earl Schibe/Maco special, that will be = thin, heavy, low quality paint that will not last. Several KR netters = have reported prices for their prep work prior to painting where they = have invested more than that, and they furnished their own labor! If I = am not mistaken Larry Flesner reported spending nearly that much on = super fill and primer alone. I am sure that you are very proud of your = airplane, and you have put into it alot of hard work. But aircraft, = specifically homebuilts are not like used cars, that start at a base = price because everything appears to work. Several netters including = myself have bought new 0 time airframes complete for what you are asking = for an older airplane that does not have some of the later refinements = and improvements. I am sure that at some point there will be someone = who agrees with your assessment of its value. Dan Heath stated what he = thought an appropriate value of it was and I merely agreed with him, and = stated why. I did not intend on offending you, nor insulting you. But = your reaction does leave something to be desired to sway my opinion in = your direction. However, as always this is my opinion, and I stand = corrected by anyone who performs an inspection in person and finds me to = be wrong... Colin Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!From flyboy232@adelphia.net Sat Sep 06 19:32:09 2003 Received: from mta3.adelphia.net ([68.168.78.181]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19vpLV-0004Ie-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 19:32:09 -0700 Received: from WLEIGHPLYMALE ([68.170.252.71]) by mta3.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.32 201-253-122-126-132-20030307) with SMTP id <20030907023414.PTFF10311.mta3.adelphia.net@WLEIGHPLYMALE> for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 22:34:14 -0400 Message-ID: <021901c374e8$297d0640$47fcaa44@chvlva.adelphia.net> From: "Leigh Plymale" To: "KR builders and pilots" References: <187.1ec0a3c9.2c89a17f@aol.com> Subject: Re: KR>KR kNOCKOFFS Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 22:31:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: I thought the Red line was 200MPH, sounds like some one exceeded the air frames limit and all hell broke loose! Leigh Plymale flyboy232@adelphia.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:21 AM Subject: KR>KR kNOCKOFFS > Hi guys, Steve here. Let me put my 2 cents worth about a mass produced > KR. Years ago there was an all fiberglass version of a Kr called the > GB 2 ( I believe). Only one existed and It came apart in a high speed > pass at the first Kr > fly in at Santa Rosa Ca. I was there. Brad Hummel and his girl friend > were making a 230 mph pass into a gusting Santa Ana wind. Post crash > showed aileron > flutter and then canopy failure and the main spar broke on the right > side at the > fuselage point due to lack of stiffness in this area. The airplane was built in > 30 days from start to finish. So, be very careful with any major mods > to the > plans and pie in the sky dream figures. This is all available for your reading > in one of the early news letters buy Ernest Koppe. > Regards, Steve > PS. As we were standing there watching, this whole event took place in about > 3 seconds. > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 23:45:39 EDT From: JStephenz@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>compu fire Message-ID: <6b.187bfbec.2c8c03e3@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 Can anyone tell me how to time a rough running compufire? I had a lose spark wire but that only solved part of the problem, it misses even at 2700 rpms. I am have trouble getting tail dragger endorsed because my instructor wont fly w/ one ignition system. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 21:24:47 -0700 From: "David Mikesell" To: , "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Looking for exhaust parts for Rotax 503 Message-ID: <000a01c374f7$f94b1f60$06fea8c0@davids> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 10 I am looking for all exhaust parts for a Rotax 503........anyone have = something to sell? David Mikesell skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.comFrom billyboywalsh@yahoo.com Sat Sep 06 22:13:52 2003 Received: from web41505.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.88]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19vrs0-0005cg-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 22:13:52 -0700 Message-ID: <20030907051556.47382.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.161.32.39] by web41505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 22:15:56 PDT Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 22:15:56 -0700 (PDT) From: william walsh Subject: Re: KR>KR 4 sale To: KR builders and pilots In-Reply-To: <000d01c374e8$23d6cbe0$05462141@Beverly> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: the kr is sold so i will let you think what ever you want. people like you are always right so i will tell you that your right and that i am sorry i steped on you toes. --- Colin wrote: > William, > It is for sale and therefore out in the open to be > evaluated; that is what people do in order to buy > it. > I don't want to sound antagonistic, but if it is > such a chariot, why are you selling it? > > The original retracts are known for problems, are a > bad design to try to retract them on climbout, while maintaining > aircraft control, and any paint job that is $300 is an Earl > Schibe/Maco special, that will be thin, heavy, low quality paint that > will not last. Several KR netters have reported prices for their > prep work prior to painting where they have invested > more than that, and they furnished their own labor! > If I am not mistaken Larry Flesner reported spending > nearly that much on super fill and primer alone. I > am sure that you are very proud of your airplane, > and you have put into it alot of hard work. But > aircraft, specifically homebuilts are not like used > cars, that start at a base price because everything > appears to work. Several netters including myself > have bought new 0 time airframes complete for what > you are asking for an older airplane that does not > have some of the later refinements and improvements. > I am sure that at some point there will be someone > who agrees with your assessment of its value. Dan > Heath stated what he thought an appropriate value of > it was and I merely agreed with him, and stated why. > I did not intend on offending you, nor insulting > you. But your reaction does leave something to be > desired to sway my opinion in your direction. > However, as always this is my opinion, and I stand > corrected by anyone who performs an inspection in > person and finds me to be wrong... > Colin Rainey KR2(td) > crainey1@cfl.rr.com > Sanford, Florida > FLY > SAFE!!!!_______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 16:21:58 +1000 From: "John and Janet Martindale" To: "KRnet" , "CorvAircraft" Subject: KR>Ammeter Message-ID: <000801c37508$74c40f20$a96ecacb@amipentium200> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 11 Anyone know of a supplier for a 15-0-15 amp ammeter? John and Janet Martindale 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA ph: 61 2 6658 4767 email: johnjane@chc.net.auFrom johnjane@chc.net.au Sat Sep 06 23:11:08 2003 Received: from 216.93.176.26 ([216.93.176.26] helo=Hot.Net.au) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19vslQ-0005zN-00; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 23:11:08 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by Hot.Net.au (8.12.6/8.12.6) id h876DCI5026775; Sun, 7 Sep 2003 16:13:12 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from johnjane@chc.net.au) Received: from amipentium200 (async169-pool-v.in.com.au [203.202.110.169]) by Hot.Net.au (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h876Crmt026619; Sun, 7 Sep 2003 16:13:09 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from johnjane@chc.net.au) Message-ID: <001301c37508$81f4d440$a96ecacb@amipentium200> From: "John and Janet Martindale" To: "KRnet" , "CorvAircraft" Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 16:22:51 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-scanner: scanned by Inflex 1.0.12.3 - (http://pldaniels.com/inflex/) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Ammeter X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Anyone know of a supplier for a 15-0-15 amp ammeter? John and Janet Martindale 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA ph: 61 2 6658 4767 email: johnjane@chc.net.auFrom johnjane@chc.net.au Sat Sep 06 23:11:15 2003 Received: from 216.93.176.26 ([216.93.176.26] helo=Hot.Net.au) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19vslX-00061Z-00; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 23:11:15 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by Hot.Net.au (8.12.6/8.12.6) id h876DJcB026808; Sun, 7 Sep 2003 16:13:19 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from johnjane@chc.net.au) Received: from amipentium200 (async169-pool-v.in.com.au [203.202.110.169]) by Hot.Net.au (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h876DCmt026760; Sun, 7 Sep 2003 16:13:17 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from johnjane@chc.net.au) Message-ID: <001401c37508$86bc9580$a96ecacb@amipentium200> From: "John and Janet Martindale" To: "KRnet" , "CorvAircraft" Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 16:22:56 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-scanner: scanned by Inflex 1.0.12.3 - (http://pldaniels.com/inflex/) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Ammeter X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Anyone know of a supplier for a 15-0-15 amp ammeter? John and Janet Martindale 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA ph: 61 2 6658 4767 email: johnjane@chc.net.auFrom jmw116@socal.rr.com Sun Sep 07 01:20:56 2003 Received: from orngca-mls02.socal.rr.com ([66.75.160.17]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19vun2-0006dV-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 07 Sep 2003 01:20:56 -0700 Received: from computer (cpe-24-24-217-209.socal.rr.com [24.24.217.209]) by orngca-mls02.socal.rr.com (8.11.4/8.11.3) with SMTP id h878Ihn20048 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2003 01:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <006501c3756d$0f0ef770$d1d91818@computer> From: "Justin" To: "KR builders and pilots" References: <009101c374e3$97e56fa0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Subject: Re: KR>New Photos Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 13:22:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Looking good, glad to see a corvair. I have a few questions for you. What is that thing towards the firewall, maybe the fuel pump? Steve Makish made his own intake (i think it was him) for the corvair. Correct me if im wrong though, I remember looking at some photo's of a corviar with home made intake that welding the intake tubes from the firewall side of the engine down to the carb on the bottom. I can't seem to find the link though. Justin N116JW www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/Home ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" ; "Corvaircraft" Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 8:58 PM Subject: KR>New Photos I have been working on my cowl and have posted new photos on the "Photo of the Week" page. Here is the link: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/photo.html I pulled the cowl from a mold and then cut out the sections which did not fit my set up. My firewall is a little wider than the stock firewall. After I cut out the sections, I then filled with foam and sanded to shape. The photos tell the story. Hoping to make Red Oak....it's questionable right now. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 04:46:14 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>New Photos Message-ID: <3F5AF056.000005.04028@Computer> References: <009101c374e3$97e56fa0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 12 Mark,=0D =0D I would like to see the mold and how you pulled what you have, from the m= old =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From VANCE@claflinwildcats.com Sun Sep 07 04:11:23 2003 Received: from 63-245-139-250.kitusa.com ([63.245.139.250] helo=mail.claflinwildcats.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)id 19vxRz-00081p-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 07 Sep 2003 04:11:23 -0700 Received: from oemcomputer ([]) by mail.claflinwildcats.com (Merak 5.7.4) with SMTP id EYB37074 for ; Sun, 07 Sep 2003 06:13:25 -0500 Message-ID: <006201c3759e$4e925000$0600a8c0@oemcomputer> From: "JIM VANCE" To: "krnet" Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 19:13:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Ammeter X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: John, The only ammeter I have found that is more sensitive than 30-0-30 = amperes is VA-1A-50 made by Electronics International Instruments. It = is digital and indicates current down to 0.1 amperes. It also indicates = voltage, and has a built-in discharge warning circuit. Aircraft Spruce = has the unit with an internal shunt listed for US$223. The unit with an = external shunt (so you don't have to run all of your alternator current = through the instrument panel) is US$268. The units are FAA/PMA = approved. Jim Vance = Vance@ClafllinWildcats.com From fa.mcgregor@qut.edu.au Sun Sep 07 05:42:31 2003 Received: from mail-router01.qut.edu.au ([131.181.254.7]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19vysB-0008a6-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 07 Sep 2003 05:42:31 -0700 Received: from frasermc.qut.edu.au (modemd10-39.net.qut.edu.au [131.181.144.109]) by mail-router01.qut.edu.au (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with ESMTP id ALC22694 (AUTH mcgregfa); Sun, 7 Sep 2003 22:44:31 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20030907220337.00b3ceb8@pop.qut.edu.au> X-Sender: mcgregfa@pop.qut.edu.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 22:08:52 +1000 To: KR builders and pilots From: Fraser McGregor Subject: Re: KR>KR 4 sale In-Reply-To: <000d01c374e8$23d6cbe0$05462141@Beverly> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Colin At 10:31 PM 6/09/03 -0400, you wrote: Snip- Several netters including myself have bought new 0 time airframes complete for what you are asking for an older airplane that does not have some of the later refinements and improvements. Snip- Hi - I am new to this net, so bear with me please! I am looking for a suitable plane to build, and the KR2 of KR2S seems to fit the bill for me so far. Do the current plans available have these later refinements and improvements that you mentioned,? If not, is there a source of these, or is it simply that these refinements etc are what individuals have done to their planes while building them? Thanks. FM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 08:29:53 -0500 From: "Larry Wayne Williams" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>RED OAK TRAVELERS Message-ID: <000d01c37544$1fa8fbe0$78a85940@waynewil> References: <001301c3748d$ba205e00$5ea45940@waynewil> <3F5A6BAB.000003.04028@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 Dan- Here is my e-mail foxtrot@dixie-net.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 6:20 PM Subject: Re: KR>RED OAK TRAVELERS > Wayne Williams, send me your e-mail address. > > N64KR > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > > See you in Red Oak - 2003 > > See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic > See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 09:39:38 -0400 From: "Colin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Building a KR2 Message-ID: <001201c37545$7c3028b0$05462141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 14 Fraser, You said: Hi - I am new to this net, so bear with me please! I am looking for a=20 suitable plane to build, and the KR2 of KR2S seems to fit the bill for = me=20 so far. Do the current plans available have these later refinements and = improvements that you mentioned,? If not, is there a source of these, = or=20 is it simply that these refinements etc are what individuals have done = to=20 their planes while building them? To answer your question, please do not think that I am the authority = here, as there are some long time builders that have way more knowledge = of this aircraft than I. I guess I just tend to be alittle more vocal! = HaHa. The KR2 is a wonderful airplane, but a new builder should not consider = the older KR2 without including the "S" supplement. If you will "cruise" = over to the KRnet construction site and search through the archives, you = will find a HUGE amount of information on modifications and improvements = that builders have made to this little plane. Also, lots of builders' = sites have great ideas and improvements that they have made to overcome = different building challenges that they have experienced. The KR2S = plans are reported to be the clearest and easiest to use, as well as the = supplement including the refinements of re-enforced firewall for larger = powerplants, and longer fuselage. Mark Langford's site talks about = several good refinements and hiper links you to other sources of = additional studies and mods. The original KR2 had a neat idea for = retracts, but over the years, virtually every builder with them has done = away with them in favor of a less drag inducing well faired fixed gear, = or some other version of retract (Loehle Replicas has a good system that = swing inboard, but requires alot of work to fit onto a KR2). Also you = cannot forget to put the gear down on fixed gear! I had a student = recently, over 300 hour pilot take me down an instrument approach in a = twin engine aircraft and forget the landing gear, all the way down to = 400 AGL when I took over and lowered the gear. If he had been solo that = would have been an expensive mistake. What I recommend is for you to take several afternoons and read through = the different builder websites and finished aircraft, and learn all you = can from the ones out there building, or flying. They know what is = working for them, and will save you literally hundreds of hours trying = to solve problems. Then when you have questions, and you can't find the = answer in the archives, ask it here. Go to the Gathering this year and = look at the KR2, and KR2S up close and compare. I am told the materials = cost is virtually the same, and you will be much happier with the plane = when it is complete. Any other builders' thoughts please don't hesitate = to chime in here.... :) Colin Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!From gleone@tritel.net Sun Sep 07 06:46:08 2003 Received: from tctisp1.tctwest.net ([216.166.159.7]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19vzrk-0009C1-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 07 Sep 2003 06:46:08 -0700 Received: from DDMWDD11 (tt2a2m33.tctwest.net [66.62.249.33]) by tctisp1.tctwest.net (8.11.6p2/8.11.3) with SMTP id h87DmAU26456 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2003 07:48:11 -0600 (MDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3F5B3717.000004.03840@DDMWDD11> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 07:48:07 -0600 (Mountain Standard Time) Content-Type: Text/Plain X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001138.2001138) From: "gleone" References: <20030907051556.47382.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> X-FID: PLAINTXT-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: 3.0 X-CNT: ; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 To: Subject: Re: KR>KR 4 sale X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Bill,=0D =0D You have no need to apologize to these people. Too many of them take themselves far, far too seriously when nobody else does. I'm sure their projects are so perfect and totally without flaw that they have earned th= e right to sit at the right hand of God himself. Now, for the rest of you critics sitting out there, let me tell you a little story about myself.=0D =0D I used to be very much like you, then on August 6, 1989, my whole life changed. I had been recently baptized a Christian and was pointing my finger at other Christians and their mistakes. Unless you're a roper, yo= u will have at least three fingers pointing back at you when you point at someone else. Being an amateur radio operator living in Cheyenne, Wyomin= g, at the time, I got on the emergency weather net due to a major thundersto= rm rolling into Cheyenne at the time. It was very electrical and dropped nearly 3 inches of rain and small hail in about 20 minutes. To read the rain gauge, I had to go outside. There were constant flashes of lighteni= ng and an endless roll of thunder. In a moment of pure genius, I thought, "= I'd better disconnect my radio station before it gets hit by lightening." Wh= ile holding the coax in my left hand, my right hand was on my very well groun= ded Drake TR-4 and my feet on the cement floor of the basement. The next thi= ng I remembered was waking up some 15 feet from where I'd been standing, num= b and temporally paralyzed, lying on the floor looking up at the ceiling wondering if I were dead or alive. After a few moments, I was able to pi= ck myself up and realized I really was alive. I stopped taking myself seriously and living solely for myself at that point and began living onl= y for others. =0D =0D Now, if you're wondering what this has to do with Bill and his KR he sold= , and sold for a price that was reasonable for both him and the buyer, here= it is. Visit your local Ace Hardware store. Buy an Ace all metal kite, a l= ong fine spool of wire and wait for the next thunderstorm to come rolling through to fly it. It couldn't hurt. In some of your cases, it could on= ly help. Don't take yourselves so seriously: Nobody else does.=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Saturday, September 06, 2003 23:16:39=0D To: KR builders and pilots=0D Subject: Re: KR>KR 4 sale=0D =0D the kr is sold so i will let you think what ever you=0D want. people like you are always right so i will tell=0D you that your right and that i am sorry i steped on=0D you toes.=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D --- Colin wrote:=0D > William,=0D > It is for sale and therefore out in the open to be=0D evaluated; that >is what people do in order to buy=0D it.=0D > I don't want to sound antagonistic, but if it is=0D > such a chariot, why are you selling it?=0D >=0D > The original retracts are known for problems, are a=0D > bad design to try to retract them on climbout, while=0D > maintaining aircraft control, and any paint job that=0D > is $300 is an Earl Schibe/Maco special, that will be=0D > thin, heavy, low quality paint that will not last.=0D > Several KR netters have reported prices for their=0D > prep work prior to painting where they have invested=0D > more than that, and they furnished their own labor!=0D > If I am not mistaken Larry Flesner reported spending=0D > nearly that much on super fill and primer alone. I=0D > am sure that you are very proud of your airplane,=0D > and you have put into it alot of hard work. But=0D > aircraft, specifically homebuilts are not like used=0D > cars, that start at a base price because everything=0D > appears to work. Several netters including myself=0D > have bought new 0 time airframes complete for what=0D > you are asking for an older airplane that does not=0D > have some of the later refinements and improvements.=0D > I am sure that at some point there will be someone=0D > who agrees with your assessment of its value. Dan=0D > Heath stated what he thought an appropriate value of=0D > it was and I merely agreed with him, and stated why.=0D > I did not intend on offending you, nor insulting=0D > you. But your reaction does leave something to be=0D > desired to sway my opinion in your direction.=0D > However, as always this is my opinion, and I stand=0D > corrected by anyone who performs an inspection in=0D > person and finds me to be wrong...=0D > Colin Rainey KR2(td)=0D > crainey1@cfl.rr.com=0D > Sanford, Florida=0D > FLY=0D >=0D SAFE!!!!_______________________________________________=0D > see KRnet list details at=0D http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =0D =0D __________________________________=0D Do you Yahoo!?=0D Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software=0D http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com=0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =0D =2E ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 08:52:13 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Re: RED OAK room? Message-ID: <00df01c37547$3d9bbbd0$8d00a8c0@dad> References: <001301c3748d$ba205e00$5ea45940@waynewil> <3F5A6BAB.000003.04028@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15 If anyone has a room reserved for the Gathering, and would like to have someone share the expense for Friday night only, e-mail me direct. Thanks. Can also take on a passenger. I'll be driving from central IL (near Springfield) - leaving either late Thurs. or very early Friday morning and returning late Sat. evening. Ed Janssen ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 151, Issue 1 *************************************