From: krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:45 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 152, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. address (Dean) 2. Re: Building a KR2 (Mark Langford) 3. Crappy Server (larry flesner) 4. KR2 Project for sale in Canada (Thomas Cornell) 5. Re: Re: RED OAK room? (larry severson) 6. Re: KR2 Project for sale in Canada (william walsh) 7. Update (Tim Brown) 8. Re: Update (Mark Langford) 9. old Newsletters (Mark Langford) 10. The perfect wing fillet (Peg and Mike Meyer) 11. Re: metallic paint and antennas (Mark Langford) 12. Re: voltmeter 13. Update (Mark Jones) 14. Re: Re: RED OAK room? 15. Red Oak (Brian Kraut) 16. rudder pedals (Brian Kraut) 17. Re: Building a KR2 (Barry Kruyssen) 18. Re: Fuel Sight Guage (Ross Youngblood) 19. Re: Re: KR Aileron control at low speeds? (Ross Youngblood) 20. Re: rudder pedals (Dan Heath) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 13:09:09 -0700 From: "Dean" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>address Message-ID: <005701c3757b$e78eaba0$4dc86642@deandr06yp0n70> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1 Sorry too send this to everyone, but I lost marks new e-mail address. = Could you send it off-line? (regarding a pulley) Thanks,=20 Dean Brickey Palmdale, Ca brickeyd@as.netFrom crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sun Sep 07 14:00:19 2003 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.1.39]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19w6dv-000Chy-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 07 Sep 2003 14:00:19 -0700 Received: from Beverly (5.70.33.65.cfl.rr.com [65.33.70.5]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id h87L2Nka023128 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2003 17:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002801c37583$9befdea0$05462141@Beverly> From: "Colin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 17:04:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Crappy Server X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Guess I have a crappy server Keith cause I can't e-mail you direct, = so.... Lots of readers netters do like to hear about how to evaluate a = completed aircraft; I did when I first started looking. This forum = educated me. Colin Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!From fa.mcgregor@qut.edu.au Sun Sep 07 15:18:07 2003 Received: from mail-router01.qut.edu.au ([131.181.254.7]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19w7rD-000DBH-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 07 Sep 2003 15:18:07 -0700 Received: from PIC-FM.qut.edu.au (civil-pg-mb.civl.bee.qut.edu.au [131.181.76.150]) by mail-router01.qut.edu.au (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with ESMTP id ALC57540 (AUTH mcgregfa); Mon, 8 Sep 2003 08:20:11 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030908081438.02400e98@pop.qut.edu.au> X-Sender: mcgregfa@pop.qut.edu.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 08:20:09 +1000 To: KR builders and pilots From: Fraser McGregor Subject: Re: KR>Building a KR2 In-Reply-To: <001201c37545$7c3028b0$05462141@Beverly> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Thanks Colin for that advice - yes I have been looking at the web sites - all very interesting. As I live in Australia - also known as God's Great Garden - I might just have to pass on the gathering, but thanks for the offer - the old C172 won't go that far. I just wish all you guys would give your measurements in real terms, ie millimeters, kg, Newtons, etc, instead of these ancient english imperial things. Pity you didn' t throw the imperial system overboard with the tea in Boston, all those years ago! Makes my head ache, having to do the conversions. (Please note - last para is my attempt at humour :-)) At 09:39 AM 7/09/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Fraser, >You said: >Hi - I am new to this net, so bear with me please! I am looking for a >suitable plane to build, and the KR2 of KR2S seems to fit the bill for >me so far. Do the current plans available have these later refinements >and improvements that you mentioned,? If not, is there a source of >these, or is it simply that these refinements etc are what individuals >have done to their planes while building them? To answer your question, >please do not think that I am the authority here, as there are some >long time builders that have way more knowledge of this aircraft than >I. I guess I just tend to be alittle more vocal! HaHa. The KR2 is a >wonderful airplane, but a new builder should not consider the older KR2 >without including the "S" supplement. If you will "cruise" over to the >KRnet construction site and search through the archives, you will find >a HUGE amount of information on modifications and improvements that >builders have made to this little plane. Also, lots of builders' sites >have great ideas and improvements that they have made to overcome >different building challenges that they have experienced. The KR2S >plans are reported to be the clearest and easiest to use, as well as >the supplement including the refinements of re-enforced firewall for >larger powerplants, and longer fuselage. Mark Langford's site talks >about several good refinements and hiper links you to other sources of >additional studies and mods. The original KR2 had a neat idea for >retracts, but over the years, virtually every builder with them has >done away with them in favor of a less drag inducing well faired fixed >gear, or some other version of retract (Loehle Replicas has a good >system that swing inboard, but requires alot of work to fit onto a >KR2). Also you cannot forget to put the gear down on fixed gear! I >had a student recently, over 300 hour pilot take me down an instrument >approach in a twin engine aircraft and forget the landing gear, all the >way down to 400 AGL when I took over and lowered the gear. If he had >been solo that would have been an expensive mistake. What I recommend >is for you to take several afternoons and read through the different >builder websites and finished aircraft, and learn all you can from the >ones out there building, or flying. They know what is working for >them, and will save you literally hundreds of hours trying to solve >problems. Then when you have questions, and you can't find the answer >in the archives, ask it here. Go to the Gathering this year and look >at the KR2, and KR2S up close and compare. I am told the materials >cost is virtually the same, and you will be much happier with the plane >when it is complete. Any other builders' thoughts please don't >hesitate to chime in here.... :) > > >Colin Rainey KR2(td) >crainey1@cfl.rr.com >Sanford, Florida >FLY SAFE!!!!_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 17:35:49 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Building a KR2 Message-ID: <012101c37590$6550a430$1202a8c0@basement> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030908081438.02400e98@pop.qut.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Fraser wrote: > I just wish all you guys would give your measurements in real terms, > ie millimeters, kg, Newtons, etc, instead of these ancient english > imperial things. Pity you didn' t throw the imperial system overboard > with the tea in Boston, all those years ago! Makes my head ache, > having to do the conversions. I agree wholeheartedly! We almost got smart and made the big move to metric in the seventies, but somehow the effort got side tracked, and we're mired in the dark ages again. There's nothing worse than a slug! I'm 100% for the move to metric. I lived in Germany for three years and loved it (and for many other reasons)... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 18:41:41 -0500 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Crappy Server Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030907184141.00823e80@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <002801c37583$9befdea0$05462141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3 >Guess I have a crappy server Keith cause I can't e-mail you direct, >so.... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Every e-mail you receive on the KRnet has a "From" e-mail address in the header. If you want to mail someone direct just "cut and paste" the address to a new e-mail, or hand copy it and start fresh, or hit reply and delete all addresses and then copy in the one you want, or etc, etc, etc. Lots of options for personal e-mails. :-) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 20:04:42 -0400 From: Thomas Cornell To: Subject: KR>KR2 Project for sale in Canada Message-ID: <02c401c3759c$d1d8cc20$1bc7fea9@c1550698a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 I just joined the mailing list. I am interested in building a KR2S. I was told that a partially built one was listed from somebody in Canada. Can somebody please send me the information. I would like to check into it. Also, I would like to buy a set of plans. I have a possible partial set. I need the full set to build. Thank You. Tom Cornell Battle Creek, MI ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 17:10:56 -0700 From: larry severson To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Re: RED OAK room? Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030907170905.00bca8a0@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <00df01c37547$3d9bbbd0$8d00a8c0@dad> References: <001301c3748d$ba205e00$5ea45940@waynewil> <3F5A6BAB.000003.04028@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5 Ed: You forgot to include your e-mail address. I will be there Thurs & Fri. I think I have a twin for Fri. If you wish, I will check. At 08:52 AM 9/7/2003 -0500, you wrote: >If anyone has a room reserved for the Gathering, and would like to have >someone share the expense for Friday night only, e-mail me direct. >Thanks. > >Can also take on a passenger. I'll be driving from central IL (near >Springfield) - leaving either late Thurs. or very early Friday morning >and returning late Sat. evening. > >Ed Janssen > > > >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 18:06:04 -0700 (PDT) From: william walsh To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>KR2 Project for sale in Canada Message-ID: <20030908010604.33086.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <02c401c3759c$d1d8cc20$1bc7fea9@c1550698a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6 tom there is one for sale in sumner wa. at a good price it is under barnstormers.com --- Thomas Cornell wrote: > I just joined the mailing list. > I am interested in building a KR2S. > I was told that a partially built one was > listed from somebody in Canada. > > Can somebody please send me the information. > I would like to check into it. > > Also, I would like to buy a set of plans. > I have a possible partial set. > I need the full set to build. > > Thank You. > > Tom Cornell > Battle Creek, MI _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 18:17:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Brown To: KR Net Subject: KR>Update Message-ID: <20030908011732.47385.qmail@web40907.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7 Dear Netters: As a few know, my progress on my 2S came to a screeching halt last Thanksgiving due to personal family health problems. I have finally, over the last 2 weekends started working on the plane again inasmuch as the problem has stabilized and, in reality, there is nothing we can do about it. I just updated my site. The key updates are at: http://www.geocities.com/timwbrown/outerwings.html and at: http://www.geocities.com/timwbrown/wingwalk.html In brief, I have finished the stub wings and have begun the outer wings. Over a year ago I glassed the inner portion of the outer wing foam. I had already finished a ledge for the bottom foam by installing it in place but with duct tape along the edges. I then epoxied glass tape in place and eventually removed the bottom foam. Then all sat idle for the better part of a year. Last weekend I taped in permanently the top foam and this weekend the foam ribs were installed. So, if you care, take a look at my site and updates. Hopefully, things will progress a bit more over the next year than the last. Tim __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 20:32:31 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Update Message-ID: <017001c375a9$144c3f90$1202a8c0@basement> References: <20030908011732.47385.qmail@web40907.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 > http://www.geocities.com/timwbrown/wingwalk.html Tim, I agree with your comments on your wing walk page. Do it the Mark Jones way (which is detailed in several old Newsletters as well). Either that or use about 6 layers of carbon fiber over the foam, which would be equivalent to a sheet of steel, but would weight far less. Fortunately, since I have a taildragger, I don't even need to step on the wing to get in. I spent the day wet-sanding mine down with 400 sandpaper, exposing all the places that need more filler, which will require more primer. But I'm getting there! Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 20:40:00 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>old Newsletters Message-ID: <017601c375aa$1e08a900$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 We all keep talking about the "old KR Newsletters". You newbie guys should know that those newsletters is where we all get our brilliant ideas from. And luckily for you, all 27 years worth have all been PDFd to CD, and are available for something like for $49 by contacting Larry Capps at krnews@attbi.com , KRNewsletter CD, 10S485 Book Road, Naperville, IL 60564. There are a lot of great ideas in there. And no, I don't get a kickback. I had them all in hardcopy form way before Larry came out with the CD, but I still bought the CD, just because it's so much easier to search, since it's pdfs. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 20:44:52 -0500 From: "Peg and Mike Meyer" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>The perfect wing fillet Message-ID: <006601c375aa$cce42620$6e40fea9@o0c8u6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 10 I've come up with what I think is a foolproof way to lay a perfect layer = of micro over a roughed-out wing fillet. I should preface this by saying = it's entirely possible that I stole this idea from someone's website or = off the KR digest, but I really can't remember. If I did , I apologize = in advance, but in any case, it's worth repeating. Anyhow, after you foam and glass your wing fillets, you're going to want = to lay a nice, straight, clean layer of micro over it to really pull the = wing and fuselage together. The first step in this process is to = completely finish both the wing stub and the fuselage up to the point = were they make contact with the fillet. Next, take a roll of almost = entirely spent duct or packing tape and size it so that one face of the = roll makes contact with the fuselage and the other with the wing stub. = Size it by tearing off the tape as necessary making sure that the roll = makes continous contact with both the fuselage and the wing stub through = the entire span of the wing while still leaving a very small visible gap = between the fillet and the lip of the tape. Next whip up a batch of not = so dry micro and lay a excessive amount on the fillet. Then, starting at = either the leading or trailing edge, drag the roll of tape along the = length of the wing. The micro will be compacted into the very small gap = that you have previously set and produce a (nearly) perfect wing fillet. = The excess micro is very easy to cleanly remove with a straightedge as = the point of contact on both the fuselage and wing stub will be very = clearly defined. Next, to sand the finished product, strip off a few feet or yards of = tape (depending on what you used) so that the roll is slightly = undersized as compared to the fillet. The reason you what to do this is = because if you just wrap the existing roll with sandpaper and start = wailing away on the fillet, you'll make an unwanted groove in the = previously finished wing stub. To eliminate this possibility, undersize = the roll, wrap it with 150 grit sandpaper, and gently start finishing = out the fillet.=20 This technique saved me a lot of time and anxiety and produced a really = clean looking wing fillet. Mike Meyer =20 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 20:53:55 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>metallic paint and antennas Message-ID: <018801c375ac$1029b7a0$1202a8c0@basement> References: <00e801c3755c$73276af0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 On the subject of antennas, I was talking to William Wyune today, and he suggested (as a true experimenter would) that I stretch some thin cardboard over the vertical stab and paint it, to see what effect it had on the radio reception and transmission. I think that's pretty brilliant, but will probably use wide electrical or duct tape instead. I'll get my ham radio/electrical engineer buddy over to check it before and after I spray it, and see how it goes. Fortunately for me, my vertical stab is an individual panel (since the aft deck is removable), so I can paint it several times without concern for proper blending, and I plan to make it a different color from the aft deck anyway. Oh, and just so Mark Jones doesn't have all the fun, I took a photo a few minutes ago and put it at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/03090700m.jpg . Not sure what it shows, but I think it's cool. I love the way the struts sound as the canopy slowly rises to the top... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 22:15:05 EDT From: AviationMech@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>voltmeter Message-ID: <124.257f2158.2c8d4029@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 In a message dated 9/7/2003 10:25:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JStephenz@aol.com writes: > Can anyone tell me A test you can try that will help you troubleshoot the alternator is as follows. If you start with a fully charged battery and connect a positive wire from the battery directly to the Field side of the alternator, the alternator should output around 15 to 17 unregulated volts. If this is true, then the alternator is OK and the problem is in the regulator or some other part. Orma AKA AviationMech KR2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com/aviationmech also see me at www.aviation-mechanics.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 21:28:10 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Subject: KR>Update Message-ID: <00e001c375b0$d94e7f40$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 13 Well Mark Langford just had to go and put another photo out there to try = and take all the fun away from me so I just made up a new page of = cowling photos which shows where I am as of today with my cowl. Here is = the link. http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/cowl.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 23:09:59 EDT From: Tomstokes1@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Re: RED OAK room? Message-ID: <1aa.19819b3c.2c8d4d07@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 I have a room reserved and am fixing to cancell it. If anyone wants it let me know. Tom Stokes White Hall, Arkansas ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 20:24:24 -0400 (GMT) From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Red Oak Message-ID: <4441277.1062991385167.JavaMail.nobody@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15 Someone sent me an email last week asking about sharing a car from Omaha Saturday to the gathering. I seem to have lost the original email, but the Southwest flight jumped up in price and I will be going to Kansas City on Friday instead. I will be arriving on American flight 1242L at 10:06 PM from Dallas. If anyone else is arriving on that flight let me know if you want to talk KRs on the way. If anyone else is coming from KC around that time or going back to KC early Sunday morning and wants to split a car let me know. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 20:44:29 -0400 (GMT) From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>rudder pedals Message-ID: <2998302.1062992588308.JavaMail.nobody@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16 I was doing some high speed taxi testing today and almost took out the lights at the end of the runway when my left rudder pedal snapped off. My pedals are .035" wall 5/8" steel tube per the plans. They are made of pieces cut at a 45 degree angle and welded instead of being bent like some are. A weld with hardly any penetration that was also ground smooth by the original builder broke right by the pedal. The extra stress of the hydraulic brake and pedal brought out a problem that never surfaced before it had brakes on the pedal. Are other people using the same size tubing with brakes on the pedals? I will add half sections of 3/4" tubing over all the joints and reweld everything to keep it from happening again. I also plan on shortening the arms that go to the master cylinders to give me more leverage with less pedal pressure. Can anyone with effective brakes that don't require a lot of pressure tell me what distance your master cylinder attaches from the fulcrum point of the pedal? You can see my current arrangement at http://www.engalt.com/flight1.htm in the first picture. The attach point of the master cylinder end is 1 3/8" above the center of the rotating point on the pedal and about 1 5/8" back. The straight line distance is about 2 1/4" from the rotation point of the pedal to the master cylinder clevis end point. I think I need to shorten that to closer to 1 1/2" to have effective braking without overloading the pedals or the rudder horn. Comments? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:09:58 +1000 From: Barry Kruyssen To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Building a KR2 Message-ID: <001001c375c7$78b586d0$c102070a@t1w419> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030908081438.02400e98@pop.qut.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 17 Fraser McGregor, Please contact me of net via email kr2@bigpond.com I've just bought a KR2 in Brisbane Barry Kruyssen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fraser McGregor" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 8:20 AM Subject: Re: KR>Building a KR2 > Thanks Colin for that advice - yes I have been looking at the web > sites - all very interesting. As I live in Australia - also known as > God's Great Garden - I might just have to pass on the gathering, but > thanks for the offer - the old C172 won't go that far. > > I just wish all you guys would give your measurements in real terms, > ie millimeters, kg, Newtons, etc, instead of these ancient english > imperial things. Pity you didn' t throw the imperial system overboard > with the tea in Boston, all those years ago! Makes my head ache, > having to do the conversions. (Please note - last para is my attempt > at humour :-)) > > At 09:39 AM 7/09/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >Fraser, > >You said: > >Hi - I am new to this net, so bear with me please! I am looking for > >a suitable plane to build, and the KR2 of KR2S seems to fit the bill > >for me so far. Do the current plans available have these later > >refinements and improvements that you mentioned,? If not, is there a > >source of these, or is it simply that these refinements etc are what > >individuals have done to their planes while building them? To answer > >your question, please do not think that I am the authority here, > >as there are some long time builders that have way more knowledge of > >this aircraft than I. I guess I just tend to be alittle more vocal! > >HaHa. The KR2 is a wonderful airplane, but a new builder should not > >consider the > >older KR2 without including the "S" supplement. If you will "cruise" > >over to the KRnet construction site and search through the archives, > >you will find a HUGE amount of information on modifications and > >improvements that builders have made to this little plane. Also, > >lots of builders' sites have great ideas and improvements that they > >have made to overcome different building challenges that they have > >experienced. The KR2S plans are reported to be the clearest and > >easiest to use, as well as the supplement including the refinements > >of re-enforced firewall for larger powerplants, and longer fuselage. > >Mark Langford's site talks about several good refinements and hiper > >links you to other sources of additional studies and mods. The > >original KR2 had a neat idea for retracts, but over the years, > >virtually every builder with them has done away with them in favor of > >a less drag inducing well faired fixed gear, or > >some other version of retract (Loehle Replicas has a good system that > >swing inboard, but requires alot of work to fit onto a KR2). Also > >you cannot forget to put the gear down on fixed gear! I had a > >student recently, over 300 hour pilot take me down an instrument > >approach in a twin engine aircraft and forget the landing gear, all > >the way down to 400 AGL when I took over and lowered the gear. If he > >had been solo that would have been an expensive mistake. What I > >recommend is for you to take several afternoons and read through the > >different builder websites and finished aircraft, and learn all you > >can from the ones out there building, or flying. They know what is > >working for them, and will save you literally hundreds of hours > >trying to solve problems. Then when you have questions, and you can't > >find the answer in the archives, ask it here. Go to the Gathering > >this year and look at the KR2, and KR2S up close and compare. I am > >told the materials cost is virtually the same, and you will be much > >happier with the plane when it is complete. Any other builders' > >thoughts please don't hesitate to chime in here.... :) > > > > > >Colin Rainey KR2(td) > >crainey1@cfl.rr.com > >Sanford, Florida > >FLY SAFE!!!!_______________________________________________ > >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 07:46:34 +0100 From: "Ross Youngblood" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Fuel Sight Guage Message-ID: <20030908064634.22628.qmail@operamail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18 I was going to use that technique on my KR's header sight gauge. I don't recall what issue. If you find it before me...send me an email. I have all the back issues on CD-ROM and also hardcopies from '88-93 but need to look through them. -- Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: Goreebethray@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 21:35:16 EDT To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Fuel Sight Guage > A few years ago in an edition of the KR Newaletter, There was a > picture or > drawing of a fuel sight guage that had a series of lines about a quarter inch > wide, alternating dark and white lines that were at a 45 degree angle. This > was placed behind the sight guage and made the fuel show up better. Does > anyone know the issue date or number or can fill in some of the blanks for me> > Ray goreebethray@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html -- ____________________________________________ http://www.operamail.com Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 07:54:21 +0100 From: "Ross Youngblood" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Re: KR Aileron control at low speeds? Message-ID: <20030908065422.28915.qmail@operamail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 19 That makes sense... thanks for the feedback. > Yes, you are supposed to recover from a stall or spin with the rudder; > however, the full length (almost) aileron combined with the tiny short > coupled rudder on the KR makes standard actions not necessarily the best. > > At 06:56 PM 9/1/2003 +0100, you wrote: > >Has anyone looked at the SIZE of a KR aileron... > >I can't believe there are problems with aileron response > >at low speeds... the darn aileron is nearly the length > >of the entire wingspan! > > > > Besides at REAL low speeds, i.e. Slow flight near > >the stall... if a wing drops, you are supposed to use > >rudder instead of ailearon to prevent stalling a wing. > > > >Am I missing somthing... Of cousre I haven't FLOWN > >my KR yet... so I am totally unaware of my birds actual flight > >characteristics. > >-- > >____________________________________________ > >http://www.operamail.com > >Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year > > > > > >Powered by Outblaze > > > >_______________________________________________ > >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > Larry Severson > Fountain Valley, CA 92708 > (714) 968-9852 > larry2@socal.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html -- ____________________________________________ http://www.operamail.com Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 05:29:44 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>rudder pedals Message-ID: <3F5C4C08.000005.03968@Computer> References: <2998302.1062992588308.JavaMail.nobody@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 20 Brian,=0D =0D Your installation looks quite normal to me. In fact, other that for the actual pedal, it looks almost exactly like both KRs that I have been associated with. You may just have had a bad weld. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From DanRH@alltel.net Mon Sep 08 02:52:26 2003 Received: from mta01.alltel.net ([166.102.165.143] helo=mta01-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19wIh8-000Hxk-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 08 Sep 2003 02:52:26 -0700 Received: from Computer ([151.213.88.254]) by mta01-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20030908095433.WOAT824.mta01-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 04:54:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3F5C51D9.000007.03968@Computer> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 05:54:33 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" References: <00e001c375b0$d94e7f40$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: Subject: Re: KR>Update Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Mark,=0D =0D Is that white stuff, plaster of paris? =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Sunday, September 07, 2003 10:28:26 PM=0D To: KR Net=0D Subject: KR>Update=0D =0D Well Mark Langford just had to go and put another photo out there to try = and take all the fun away from me so I just made up a new page of cowling pho= tos which shows where I am as of today with my cowl. Here is the link.=0D http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/cowl.html=0D =0D Mark Jones (N886MJ)=0D Wales, WI USA=0D E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com=0D Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at=0D http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html=0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2EFrom bo124rs@hotmail.com Mon Sep 08 03:44:08 2003 Received: from law10-f56.law10.hotmail.com ([64.4.15.56] helo=hotmail.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19wJVA-000IET-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 08 Sep 2003 03:44:08 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 03:46:15 -0700 Received: from 205.188.209.48 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Sep 2003 10:46:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [205.188.209.48] X-Originating-Email: [bo124rs@hotmail.com] From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Bcc: Subject: Re: KR>rudder pedals Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 06:46:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2003 10:46:15.0623 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D834570:01C375F6] X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Brian, just a little food for thought. I used those same cylinders on my KR. Short of fabricating new pedals incorporating a pivoting cylinder, I chose to remove the cylinders from the assembly in an effort to allieve the pressure on the rudder horns and the various tie down points as the cable moved aft. I had a pulley near the front that I wanted to relieve pressure from also. My sometimes convaluted thinking was at some point the rudder system would fail before the braking system failed, opposite of your situation so far though. I thought I would rather have rudder than braking. The current system may work just fine, but I just didn't like putting, what I considered, undue stress on the cable system which had nothing to do with what I wanted to achieve.......and that was braking, not rudder pressure. My solution at the time was to remove the cylinders and mount them with the round foot pad pointing aft, between the two pedals. I drilled two holes in the firewall and mounted the brackets to hold the cylinders firewall forward. A byproduct of this, I was able to remove brake lines..thus brake fluid, from the fuselage. I mounted them a little high so I could heel the rudder pedals but get to the brakes with my toes. Had to be a little pigeon toed but it worked. This way I was able to get full compression of the piston, use of the rudder with no unnessesary demand on the calbes and had very good braking. Man, that got long winded when my initial reply was going be, "Hey Brian, I mounted mine between the pedals.........worked for me".:-) Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with MSN Messenger 6.0 -- download now! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_general ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 152, Issue 1 *************************************