From: krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 155, Issue 2 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Protocol (Dana Overall) 2. RE: Metric system [ NON_KR SUBJECT] (Serge F. Vidal) 3. Flying KRs at night (Serge F. Vidal) 4. RE: Trans antenna (Serge F. Vidal) 5. Re: Protocol (Mark Jones) 6. another defector flies (Oscar Zuniga) 7. Remove me from the list (Lance Schipporeit) 8. Re: Remove me from the list (Mark Jones) 9. metric/English measurements (Harold Woods) 10. Re: metric/English measurements (Mark Jones) 11. Weather for Gathering trip (Was: Protocol) 12. Re: Weather for Gathering trip (terry marion ks) 13. Re: Metric system [ NON_KR SUBJECT] (Al Friesen) 14. Weather today in Red Oak ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:29:48 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Protocol Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 Gang the protocol for posting has not changed just because someone said, "hey it's a good idea to put non KR so we can post anything on the KRNet". Saturday through Thursday the KRNet is reserved for KR related topics. Friday is open to any aviation related topic. This is not the forum to blast other countries, post messages about the patriot act, lambaste someone claiming your born right to arrogance. There are forums for those scared of government intrusion or Rush's website for American arrogance. Let's remember, we are all in the sandbox together. Let's play well with other's toys. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95. https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 12:01:34 +0100 From: "Serge F. Vidal" To: "'KR builders and pilots'" Subject: RE: KR>Metric system [ NON_KR SUBJECT] Message-ID: <000001c3786e$29bec650$2c0101c0@ate.com> In-Reply-To: <20030910182104.59583.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Well, as Jesus said, Sancta simplicitas! Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Tunis, Tunisia -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Aggie lewanda Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 7:21 PM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: RE: KR>Metric system [ NON_KR SUBJECT] --- Fraser McGregor wrote: > What? Thinking in a different base system? If God had meant us to > think in > 12's, we would have 12 digits. The only numbers in the imperial system > that stimulates a better understanding of math are 36-26-36 :-) Now > back to planes------ > Fraser, For the last century the United States of America has been the absolute leader of the free world. The Kaiser, Hitler, Saddam Hussein and the Soviets are long gone and the world is a better place for it. Our business, industry and capital markets are the backbone of the world. "Sound as a dollar" has passed into the lexicon of the entire world. EVERYONE else either wants to come here, or to be like us. President Ronald Reagan said once "It is time for us to stop worrying what the rest of the world thinks about us and let the rest of the world worry about what we think of them." Americans, and our borrowed English measuring system have given the rest of the world it's standard of living. Without Henry Ford, Harvey Firestone, Tom Edison, Donald Trump, Bill Gates and MILLIONS like them, the rest of the world would be savages freezing in the dark! Even foreigners like Tesla, Einstein and Oppenheimer had to come to America and live under our system for their genius to flourish. Now, sorry if I offend anyone but it seems just plain NUTS to me that after all of the above, and much more, we are supposed to kiss the asses of our intellectual, mental, moral and military inferiors and adopt THEIR way of doing anything! At age 52 I have no plans to change. Many years ago in college my sociology professor taught us about societies being "ethnocentristic". The difference between myself and the cute little socialist sociology professor was that she saw an "ethnocenric" society as a terrible thing; while I on the other hand (once I learned what the word meant) was damn proud of it! Warmest Personal Regards, Dean Allen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:09:58 +0100 From: "Serge F. Vidal" To: , "'KR builders and pilots'" Subject: KR>Flying KRs at night Message-ID: <000101c3786e$30fdf030$2c0101c0@ate.com> In-Reply-To: <3F5FBA8F.8040705@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 >From my point of view, the main issue is: a KR does not fly hands-off. >So, it will be a mission to fly straight-and-level while doing the nav at night. Now, I fully support your view. I am busy upgrading my KR for night flying, just in case... This way I will also be able to practice my night landings to keep my night rating current. And if one day I find myself confident enough, well, I will fly night cross-country flights. So far, with 100h flown in the KR, and 300h total, I feel I still need some practice. Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Tunis, Tunisia -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Brian Kraut Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:58 AM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>change of operating limitations I fly Cherokees and 152s at night and I really can't see what the difference is in a KR. I may find out different when I try it, but I think it is worth it just to not be illegal if I get delayed a little one day and can't land before the sun goes down. Ed Janssen wrote: >Brian, > >For a number of reasons, many KR pilots have voiced their opinions >against flying at night in a KR. You may want to rethink the idea. A >search of the >archives will probably give you some reasons, but maybe someone with >direct experience will restate their comments. > >Ed Janssen >mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brian Kraut" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 4:14 AM >Subject: KR>change of operating limitations > > >>I have added lights to my KR. Does anyone know what the correct >>procedure >> >is to change my operating limitations from VFR day to VFR night? Is >this something I can do myself or do I have to contact the FSDO to get >this changed, and if so, do they come and do an inspection? > >>_______________________________________________ >>see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:24:23 +0100 From: "Serge F. Vidal" To: "'KR builders and pilots'" Subject: RE: KR>Trans antenna Message-ID: <000301c3786e$3d1444a0$2c0101c0@ate.com> In-Reply-To: <20030911021717.18089.qmail@operamail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Actually, Colin, you scared me enough to have me do some research. First of all, let me precise that I didn't do anything. I bought the plane like that.Second, the antenna is a standard aircraft antenna (fin-shaped), removed from a certified aeroplane. Third, the transponder is a Bendix KT-76A - Frequency: 1030 MHz - Output: "200 watts peak minimum transmitter power" Apparently, you're right, that's scary. But since I haven't used it much, I might have enough brain left to mount it on the belly instead, and shield it by making an aluminum ground plane of some sort! Serge Vidal -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Ross Youngblood Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 3:17 AM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Trans antenna I'm not sure about this myself. Is there anyone with RF background who can attest to people getting cooked with Transponder Antenna output? It's one thing to stand next to a Radar dish, but the power levels of the Transponder antenna are much less. I'm going to touch base with some RF guys I work with to see if the power levels are somthing to worry about. I'm thinking the average transponder output is less than 5-10Watts. And I think the power density decreases with distance.. although we will still be quite close. I think the transponder is around 2Ghz... and lots of new stuff is getting into this range... cordless phones for example... but they are at much lower power levels I expect (milliwatts I would guess). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin" Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:12:24 -0400 To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Trans antenna > Serge, > Unless you included some kind of shielding from the radiation of the antenna, you might as well have stuck your head into a microwave. > Colin Rainey KR2(td) > crainey1@cfl.rr.com > Sanford, Florida > FLY SAFE!!!!_______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html -- ____________________________________________ http://www.operamail.com Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year Powered by Outblaze _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:21:48 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Protocol Message-ID: <002e01c37870$09c3c100$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Dana, It is truly amazing...THEY JUST DON'T GET IT.....this is a KR SUBJECT LIST ONLY....please stop all the off KR subject matter on this list. If this continues, the moderator will be asked to start removing the abusers from the list. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" To: Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 8:29 AM Subject: KR>Protocol > > Gang the protocol for posting has not changed just because someone > said, "hey it's a good idea to put non KR so we can post anything on > the KRNet". Saturday through Thursday the KRNet is reserved for KR > related topics. Friday is open to any aviation related topic. > > This is not the forum to blast other countries, post messages about > the patriot act, lambaste someone claiming your born right to > arrogance. There > are forums for those scared of government intrusion or Rush's website > for American arrogance. > > Let's remember, we are all in the sandbox together. Let's play well > with other's toys. > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering > Richmond, KY > RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic" > Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. > http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive > > _________________________________________________________________ > Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95. > https://broadband.msn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:30:38 -0500 From: "Oscar Zuniga" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>another defector flies Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6 NetHeads; Another "KR builder turned tin-bender", Randy Stout, successfully test-flew his Zenith recently. After starting a KR2 project he grew a little discouraged at his lack of composite skills so he went over to the dark side ("shiny side"?). You may find posts from Randy in the archives from a few years back. He is an EAA Chapter 35 member here in the San Antonio area and is to be commended for getting in the air one way or the other... more than I can say about myself at this point! I plan to buy him a can opener to use as a dash ornament for his plane ;o) Oscar Zuniga do not archive San Antonio, TX _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with MSN Messenger 6.0 -- download now! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_general ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:52:21 -0500 From: "Lance Schipporeit" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Remove me from the list Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7 Please remove me from the list _________________________________________________________________ Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:59:49 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Remove me from the list Message-ID: <005101c37875$5992b740$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Lance, You can do this yourself by going to http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet and go to the bottom of that page and unsubscribe. Sorry to see you go. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance Schipporeit" To: Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 9:52 AM Subject: KR>Remove me from the list > Please remove me from the list > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. > http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:42:53 -0400 From: "Harold Woods" To: Subject: KR>metric/English measurements Message-ID: <005101c3787b$5d530be0$08ee6418@HAROLD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 9 The next time that you buy a steel tape measure, be sure to get one that = has English on one side, such as the top and metric on the other side , = below the English. Thus you have instant conversion of one to the other = for the measurement that you are doing. Personally I never try to = convert. I now find that I use which ever is the most convenient.If it = is easier to use one than the other , that is which I choose.This could = only become a problem when you are recording the measurement and = writing it down, then you must mark in the system of use. Harold Woods Orillia, ON Canada. haroldwoods@rogers.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/2003From larry2@socal.rr.com Thu Sep 11 08:47:06 2003 Received: from orngca-mls01.socal.rr.com ([66.75.160.16]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19xTf0-000Ldb-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:47:06 -0700 Received: from SteveCanyon.socal.rr.com (cpe-66-75-117-49.socal.rr.com [66.75.117.49]) by orngca-mls01.socal.rr.com (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h8BFjk414087 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:45:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030911084717.012503b8@pop-server.socal.rr.com> X-Sender: larry2@pop-server.socal.rr.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:49:20 -0700 To: KR builders and pilots From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR>another defector flies In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: I have said it before. If the KR manual, and those of the suppliers, did not suffer from a failure to communicate, the KR would be an easy plane to build and more people would finish theirs. At 09:30 AM 9/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: >NetHeads; > >Another "KR builder turned tin-bender", Randy Stout, successfully >test-flew his Zenith recently. After starting a KR2 project he grew a >little discouraged at his lack of composite skills so he went over to the >dark side ("shiny side"?). You may find posts from Randy in the archives >from a few years back. He is an EAA Chapter 35 member here in the San >Antonio area and is to be commended for getting in the air one way or the >other... more than I can say about myself at this point! Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:47:48 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>metric/English measurements Message-ID: <006d01c37884$6f558e40$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <005101c3787b$5d530be0$08ee6418@HAROLD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 KR information only......that is what this list is for!!!! Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html 9/1/2003_______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:50:23 GMT From: ronlee@pcisys.net To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Weather for Gathering trip (Was: Protocol) Message-ID: <200309111649.h8BGni3a014683@mail.pcisys.net> Precedence: list Message: 11 One day out and the weather looks good in Colorado and Red Oak for Friday, Saturday and Sunday. I still question the forecast even one day out but hopefully it will be clear blue skies and cool weather. Ron Lee --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 12:53:26 -0500 From: "terry marion ks" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Weather for Gathering trip Message-ID: <002101c3788d$b303d300$4b251041@r6t1n9> References: <200309111649.h8BGni3a014683@mail.pcisys.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 the way the weather looks today i,m going to fly down friday . i like to use ipilot for looking up the weather ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:31:59 -0700 From: "Al Friesen" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Metric system [ NON_KR SUBJECT] Message-ID: <000601c3783f$4b1d73c0$045d7240@s8z8i0> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20030910200856.00b84388@pop.qut.edu.au> <5.1.0.14.2.20030911080344.00bc7258@pop.qut.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 Guys, If you get in a snit over which system of measurement to use just carry two rulers. Al ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:00:30 GMT From: ronlee@pcisys.net To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Weather today in Red Oak Message-ID: <200309111859.h8BIxp3a016895@mail.pcisys.net> Precedence: list Message: 14 I called the Red Oak airport moments ago and it is raining there today. Reportedly about five folks in the hanger (supposedly KR folks). That area is also corn country so I may get some great sweet corn. Is this an OK topic for Thursday? Ron Lee --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 155, Issue 2 *************************************