From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 182, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: prop unloading 2. Re: KR Parts (MSaunders) 3. Oil leak-----------2100 Revmaster (Kenneth L Wiltrout) 4. Re: prop unloading (Kenneth L Wiltrout) 5. Re: Oil leak-----------2100 Revmaster (Bob Stone) 6. Re: Oil leak-----------2100 Revmaster (Dan Heath) 7. prop unloading (larry flesner) 8. prop unloading (Larry A Capps) 9. kr-2 project for sale (charles willison) 10. Re: Partnerships (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 11. Re: Brake fluid. (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 12. Re: Oil leak-----------2100 Revmaster (Kenneth L Wiltrout) 13. Lyc 0235 l2c (Gavin Donohoe) 14. prop unloading (larry flesner) 15. Re: prop unloading (Mark Langford) 16. Lycomings (Colin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:17:27 -0500 From: DPurduski@CaldwellMfgCo.com To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>prop unloading Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 "I've got a 2100 revmaster w/ a Culver 54X50 and have no prob cruising at 3200 rpm. Full throttle = 3500 rpm." What kind of performance with that combination? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:16:11 -0400 From: "MSaunders" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>KR Parts Message-ID: <003201c38d0f$d9dbea80$54a69f18@jupiter2h32rv8> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Dean, I could not get your link to work, I have some parts you may be interested in. Mike saunders01@charter.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Cooper" To: Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 9:53 AM Subject: KR>KR Parts Netters, If anyone has any KR2 parts they are looking to sell (ie, canopy, turtledeck, controls, wing skins, gear, fuel tank, etc.), please email me off-net at dean_cooper@msn.com. Thanks. Dean Cooper Jacksonville, FL_______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:28:27 -0400 From: Kenneth L Wiltrout To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Oil leak-----------2100 Revmaster Message-ID: <20031007.162829.2404.2.klw1953@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Along w/the carb prob I'm having I also noticed that I developed a substantial oil leak at one of the larger case studs, the oil comes out either between the nut and the stud or from underneath the washer. As I've never overhauled a VW but have the Revmaster overhaul manuel it would appear for oil to come out at that location that the seals that go over the studs prior to mating the case halves could be the problem. This engine has only been running for 4 yrs but is a 1981 that was passed around the country till I bought it and flew it. My thinking is that just due to the age of the engine the seals my have gotten hard or something.--------------------------any thoughts?? ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:33:14 -0400 From: Kenneth L Wiltrout To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>prop unloading Message-ID: <20031007.163314.2404.3.klw1953@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Cruise at 3200 is 135 mph. I still haven't got wheel pants and it is a tri gear, so once I get around to that the cruise should creep up to 145 hopefully. On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:17:27 -0500 DPurduski@CaldwellMfgCo.com writes: > > "I've got a 2100 revmaster w/ a Culver 54X50 and have no prob > cruising at > 3200 rpm. Full throttle = 3500 rpm." > > > > What kind of performance with that combination? > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:55:55 -0500 From: "Bob Stone" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Oil leak-----------2100 Revmaster Message-ID: <000401c38d15$688852a0$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> References: <20031007.162829.2404.2.klw1953@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Ken, Call Joe Horvath at Revmaster and ask him what to do about your problem because he is the owner of Revmaster and very likely the most qualified to give you reliable advice. I don't have his phone number or e-mail address or web site address but I am sure someone on the net can furnish you with information as to how to reach him if you ask for it. Bob Stone, Harker Hieghts, TX rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth L Wiltrout" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:28 PM Subject: KR>Oil leak-----------2100 Revmaster > Along w/the carb prob I'm having I also noticed that I > developed a substantial oil leak at one of the larger case studs, the > oil comes out either between the nut and the stud or from underneath > the washer. As I've never overhauled a VW but have the Revmaster > overhaul manuel it would appear for oil to come out at that location > that the seals that go over the studs prior to mating the case halves > could be the problem. This engine has only been running for 4 yrs but > is a 1981 that was passed around the country till I bought it and flew > it. My thinking is that just due to the age of the engine the seals my > have gotten hard or something.--------------------------any thoughts?? > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the > web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com > to sign up today! > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:12:04 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>Oil leak-----------2100 Revmaster Message-ID: <3F832C24.00000D.02672@Computer> References: <20031007.162829.2404.2.klw1953@juno.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 6 There are no "seals" for the case studs. I am assuming that you mean the studs that hold the heads to the case. =0D =0D However, the push rod tubes exit near the studs and it would be my guess that the gaskets for those, and possibly the push tubes themselves, need = to be replaced. Certainly with an engine that old, if you do replace the gaskets, you would want to replace the tubes also. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From Ronevogt@aol.com Tue Oct 07 15:25:13 2003 Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.101]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1A70GX-000PrY-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:25:13 -0700 Received: from Ronevogt@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id g.1e3.1124e503 (3996) for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:27:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Ronevogt@aol.com Message-ID: <1e3.1124e503.2cb497b4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:27:00 EDT Subject: Re: KR>prop unloading To: krnet@mylist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6015 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Mark, (And other netters) Subarus turn in the correct direction to use this prop, for those of you brave enough to step up to a modern engine. RV ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:01:50 -0500 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>prop unloading Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031007190150.007d3220@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <1d3.121e1595.2cb44475@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7 > I have a new Props. Inc. 52 x 48 prop that I decided not to use, > (due to >the fact that I added a PSRU and can use a longer prop). But it will work with a Corvair if you buy >a new cam from Wynne. I think it is a good deal since I paid >$330...and I'm >throwing the spinner in for free. >RV ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I'd guess you will need a LOT more prop than a 52 X 48 for even a 90 hp Corvair. I have an 0-200 (100hp) and I can turn a 60X68 Sterba prop at 2350+ static. My engine is rated at 100hp at 2750 rpm. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:22:59 -0500 From: "Larry A Capps" To: "'KR builders and pilots'" Subject: KR>prop unloading Message-ID: <001d01c38d32$54e30070$0200a8c0@schpankme> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20031007190150.007d3220@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Hello Larry, What's the torque curve of the 0-200 engine at 2350 rpm ? Larry A Capps Naperville, IL -----Original Message----- an 0-200 (100hp) can turn a 60X68 Sterba prop at 2350 engine is rated at 100hp at 2750 rpm Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:51:57 -0500 From: charles willison To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>kr-2 project for sale Message-ID: <9E2C997C-F929-11D7-A7C4-000393ABA622@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 A very nice project is for sale. Boat stage with Revmaster 2180 and other stuff. Buying Mooney. No time to build. For photos and more info contact: mlwcrw@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:55:18 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Partnerships Message-ID: <20031007.211956.1932.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 Check out BUY/ SELL agreements, Virg On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Aggie lewanda writes: > > --- Dan Heath wrote: > > I see some mention of Revenue regarding such partnerships. I > would assume > > that there would be no revenue, so why is it an issue? The only > purpose > > that Jerry or I would have for forming a partnership would be so > that we > > would be protected from that L word, as much as possible, and to > see to it > > that no one tried to take the plane from either of us in the event > that > > something real bad happened to either one of us. > > > > N64KR > > > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > > > > Dan, > > The revenue comes into it indirectly in two ways. > > First, by definition, a "partnership" is two or more > partners pooling capital in an effort to make a > profit. In reality, there are plenty of partnerships > to hold assets, family limited partnerships used in estate planning & > so forth that make little or no profit and to the layman are certainly > not businesses for profit. > > Second, as I mentioned one of the asset protection > angles is that a plaintiff with a charging order against > a partner can, according to the IRS, have constructive receipt of > phantom income which he never recieves but is taxed on. That > possibility is usually more than enough to scare off predatory > plaintiff lawyers. No guarantees of course. > > Finally, you are correct that partnerships are not taxed > even if they make profits. The profits (or losses) are passed > through to the individual partners. This is documented on a form > K-1 > and each individual partner shows his distributed share of > the profits (or losses) on his personal 1040 tax return. > > Finally, I repeat, get legal advice on this. Everything I say is only > for information and not legal advice. > > Also, remember that the Limited Partnership (the kind you want) is > created pursuant to state statute and must be filed with the Sec. of > State. The legal formalities are few and simple, but they must be > complied with or the partnership may be treated as a general > partnership (bad, bad, bad from a liability standpoint). > > A good lawyer can also advise you on estate planning aspects of the > partnership. If you die, is your wife going to stay in the partnership > and fly the plane? If so, perhaps she should be a partner too. > On the other hand, if her interest will be liquidated and she is > not > a pilot there is no point. Same for the other partner & spouse. > > Is your partnership going to include a buy-out agreement where the > other partner buys your part in the event of some defined thing > happening (such as when you die)? If the amounts involved are more > than each partner can afford easily, does funding a buy-out agreement > with an insurance policy make sense (common sense tells me probably > not on a > single KR-2). > > Lots of little things like that which you may not think of. Good > counsel will guide you to think of them, look at your fact situation > and derive a plan that works for you and your partner. > > Hope this is helpful. > > Regards, > > Dean Allen > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:06:30 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Brake fluid. Message-ID: <20031007.211956.1932.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 Brake fluid is hydroscopic (sp), that clear stuff may be WATER, Virg On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:00:10 -0500 "Mark Jones" writes: > I have had my brake fluid installed in my system now for several > months. Down at the calipers you can see the brake lines which are > transparent. What I have noticed is that the brake fluid in the last > four or five inches of the lines next to the calipers has become > clear and turns back to red just as the lines enter into the gear > legs. What is this phenomenon? Does the red brake fluid turn > transparent when exposed to sunlight after a period of time? The > strange thing is the fluid in my transparent quart jar on the shelf > has not discolored from red. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:18:51 -0400 From: Kenneth L Wiltrout To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Oil leak-----------2100 Revmaster Message-ID: <20031007.222155.2404.4.klw1953@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 My engine manual clearly shows orings over the 6 case half studs prior mating the 2 halfs together. The manual calls them case stud seals. The only thing these could do is to keep oil from migrating out the studs. On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:12:04 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) "Dan Heath" writes: > There are no "seals" for the case studs. I am assuming that you mean > the > studs that hold the heads to the case. > > However, the push rod tubes exit near the studs and it would be my > guess > that the gaskets for those, and possibly the push tubes themselves, > need to > be replaced. Certainly with an engine that old, if you do replace > the > gaskets, you would want to replace the tubes also. > > N64KR > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering > > See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic > See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 18:13:50 +1000 From: Gavin Donohoe To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Lyc 0235 l2c Message-ID: <009101c38d78$caa7eaa0$264d8690@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 13 Hi Gang , Has anybody used a Lycoming 0235 L2C from a C 152 and hows the performance weight etc?? looks like I can get one at a good price!!! I'm planning on a wooden prop what dia and pitch? Gav --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 29/09/2003 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 05:54:48 -0500 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>prop unloading Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031008055448.008764b0@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <001d01c38d32$54e30070$0200a8c0@schpankme> References: <3.0.6.32.20031007190150.007d3220@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14 >Hello Larry, >What's the torque curve of the 0-200 engine at 2350 rpm ? Larry A Capps ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The only "torque" info I have is that when I'm setting on the ramp with the engine turning 2350 rpm and I'm holding the brakes my "behind" is torqued so tight that I don't need to fasten my seat belt! Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 06:17:02 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>prop unloading Message-ID: <007801c38d8d$b2c90710$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> References: <1e3.1124e503.2cb497b4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15 RV wrote: > Subarus turn in the correct direction to use this prop, for those of > you brave enough to step up to a modern engine. That low pitched prop will probably work just fine on one of those state-of-the-art "100 horsepower" Subarus... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:11:18 -0400 From: "Colin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Lycomings Message-ID: <001a01c38d9d$a9430730$05462141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 16 Gavin, I personally would not see a problem with using a Lycoming instead of a = Continental. Just different motor mounts. It is my understanding from = those that have used the o-200, and the 0-85 series engines, and I = expect the same report for the IO-240, that the Continental engines run = smoother than Lycoming. I can tell you from personal experience that = Lycoming engines are rough as a cob near idle unless you have additional = balancing performed during a rebuild. The factory prop on the C152 is I believe a 67" McCauley prop. The part = number can be retrieved from any of the 152 POHs, section 6 off the = equipment list, in the weight and balance section. McCauley could then = tell you the prop grind, most likely a combination prop. The early = O-235 were rated at 105hp, then 110hp, and the last versions near 1980 = were rated 115hp. Their carbs do NOT have an accelerator pump, and need = carb heat to prevent icing if operating below 2000rpms. You also loose = any warranty from Lycoming if you stc it over to auto gas. EAA website = has the information on how to get the STC for auto gas conversion. I = think this would allow the FAA to still consider it a certified engine = and shorten the fly off time. Comments are welcome. Trying to finish my = KR wiring.... Colin Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!From paulwasp@webtv.net Wed Oct 08 06:48:07 2003 Received: from smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net ([209.240.204.195]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1A7Eff-0005xg-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 06:48:07 -0700 Received: from storefull-2194.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2194.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.213.68]) by smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 629EB10681 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 06:51:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2194.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id GAA11966; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 06:51:36 -0700 (PDT) From: paulwasp@webtv.net X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAmyv/LDGyIw3FBvnrbaATkE7hP1gCFE/l0pfiJlniJwwoY4Dz3LAyeF8t Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:51:36 -0400 (EDT) To: krnet@mylist.net (KR builders and pilots) Subject: Re: KR>prop unloading Message-ID: <7047-3F841668-159@storefull-2194.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: larry flesner 's message of Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:01:50 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Hi; Would you consider selling the spinner separately? If you do, how much? And, I assume, It's a 10 " diameter spinner? Please answer off the list. Paul http://community.webtv.net/paulwasp/paulwaspspad ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 182, Issue 1 *************************************