From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 5:46 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 200, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. weights (Colin) 2. RE: advice (Jim Faughn) 3. Re: advice (Brian Kraut) 4. Re: carb heat box (Kenneth L Wiltrout) 5. Re: advice (Mark Jones) 6. Carbs/ flooding (Phillip Matheson) 7. KR2SS- More Detail (Phillip Matheson) 8. Re: Carbs/ flooding (Kenneth L Wiltrout) 9. RE: advice (Jim Faughn) 10. RE: advice (Ron Freiberger) 11. my web site (Lee) 12. Concord SST, London to New York (F Ross) 13. Controls (Gavin Donohoe) 14. Re: Controls (Dan Heath) 15. Re: my web site (Mark Langford) 16. Re: my web site (Mark Jones) 17. Concorde / KR (Mark Jones) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:36:42 -0400 From: "Colin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>weights Message-ID: <003901c39b2f$5348bd30$05462141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1 OOOOOPPPSSSS!!!! Sorry Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!From crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sat Oct 25 12:37:53 2003 Received: from ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.5.132] helo=ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)id 1ADUET-000GXp-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:37:53 -0700 Received: from Beverly (5.70.33.65.cfl.rr.com [65.33.70.5]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id h9PJg5KF019165;Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004401c39b30$138bcb50$05462141@Beverly> From: "Colin" To: , "KR builders and pilots" References: Subject: Re: KR>carb heat box Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:42:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Ken and Ron Sounds like the carb is flooding over, and liquid fuel is entering the = intake, and is just worse cold. In every application that I have ever = seen where the carb was sized properly for the engine, running the idle = mixture screw all the way in would kill the engine. If it could run with = it at full lean, then the carb was too big, with jets too big, or the = carb was flooding over allowing fuel to enter not through the idle port, = but through the main metering port which should not be functioning until = off idle rpms are seen. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!From larry.capps@comcast.net Sat Oct 25 14:46:09 2003 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.202.64]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1ADWEb-000MUx-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:46:09 -0700 Received: from schpankme (12-251-66-163.client.attbi.com[12.251.66.163]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20031025215026016002u4b2e>; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:50:26 +0000 From: "Larry A Capps" To: "'KR builders and pilots'" Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:51:40 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c39b42$2c7bbf00$0200a8c0@schpankme> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: KR>advice X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: larry.capps@comcast.net, KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: I've noticed a trend, all to common related to the KR series; the anticipation of carrying large loads, great distances in perfect harmony with nature. If gross weight is at issue, a couple of laps per day around the airport will go a lot further than increasing your planes gross weight limit. And for some of us, face facts, your always going to fly the KR solo no matter how many laps you run >:) Larry A Capps Naperville, IL "yes that's it, I can just use fir" -----Original Message----- Netters, Thanks for all the colorful emails. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:25:50 -0500 From: "Jim Faughn" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: RE: KR>advice Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006301c39b25$90caa240$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Mark, If you hit 190, I'll fly up to Wales and give you a currency ride. Jim Faughn -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Mark Jones Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 1:27 PM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>advice Dean, It is easy to get that weight down. I 1999 at the Kentucky Gathering, I weighed in at 256. I went on Atkins 6 months ago and I have lost 38 pounds so far. my goal is 200 so I only have 18 to go. But then, I would really like to get down around 190. You can do it. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Cooper" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 1:07 PM Subject: Re: KR>advice Netters, Thanks for all the colorful emails. :) Clearly, the consensus is I need to get my weight down below at least 200 lbs to ensure this is a 2 place A/C. I will make that my goal. I appreciate everyone's responses. Some in particular were very informative. Thanks. Dean Cooper Jacksonville, FL See my KR project at: www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2.html ----- Original Message ----- >Well now I'm convinced, maybe I'll set my gross weight at 2400 lbs and only >fly 1g maneuvers (take off will be tricky, i admit). >After all, the plane fly's just great at 2400 lbs, just as long as I keep >that CG centered >:) >Larry A Capps ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I'm sure you're exaggeration is to make a point or else you missed a line or two in my post. To review: " I would say that within reason, CG takes priority over total weight." "Additional weight will certainly hurt performance but the airplane should be flyable, again within reason." "Let common sense prevail !!" I think we would all agree that 2400 lbs is beyond REASON and COMMON SENSE for a KR 2 as designed by Ken Rand. Larry Flesner _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:57:57 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>advice Message-ID: <28997735.1067126278451.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 But remember, if it does ever hit the curb, I only live a mile away from you and I have a truck and an empty garage now! Netters, Thanks for all the colorful emails. [:)] Clearly, the consensus is I need to get my weight down below at least 200 lbs to ensure this is a 2 place A/C. I will make that my goal. I appreciate everyone's responses. Some in particular were very informative. Thanks. Dean Cooper Jacksonville, FL See my KR project at: www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:50:45 -0400 From: Kenneth L Wiltrout To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>carb heat box Message-ID: <20031025.205045.2580.0.klw1953@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Well I'll tell u what I did when I took the carb apart, I ran the needle all the way in and blew through the fuel line connection, I gotta tell u that the amount of air that I was able to blow through was very minimal, only after I advanced the throttle was it easier to to force air through. Point is I'm not convinced that the needle is incorrect, these needles are flat on one side and I'm not sure if it's possible to completly cut off the fuel flow by running the needle in all the way. But to Colin's point, he is correct when he says there is raw fuel in the intake, after I removed the carb directly after starting this thing 2 wks ago there was quite a bit of fuel lying in the intake. I'm not quite sure what to do at this point. When I spoke to Revmaster 2 wks ago and said I wanted a leaner needle they had more questions than answers and were not convinced a leaner needle was the solution.??????????????????????????????????? On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:42:05 -0400 "Colin" writes: > Ken and Ron > Sounds like the carb is flooding over, and liquid fuel is entering > the intake, and is just worse cold. In every application that I > have ever seen where the carb was sized properly for the engine, > running the idle mixture screw all the way in would kill the engine. > If it could run with it at full lean, then the carb was too big, > with jets too big, or the carb was flooding over allowing fuel to > enter not through the idle port, but through the main metering port > which should not be functioning until off idle rpms are seen. > > Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) > crainey1@cfl.rr.com > Sanford, Florida > FLY SAFE!!!!_______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:12:43 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>advice Message-ID: <009701c39b5e$422bbe60$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Jim, I am going to hold you to that offer as I will need to take a few rides before I fly my bird for the first time which I anticipate to be early summer. Thanks Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Faughn" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 6:25 PM Subject: RE: KR>advice > Mark, > > If you hit 190, I'll fly up to Wales and give you a currency ride. > > Jim Faughn > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of Mark Jones > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 1:27 PM > To: KR builders and pilots > Subject: Re: KR>advice > > > Dean, > It is easy to get that weight down. I 1999 at the Kentucky Gathering, > I weighed in at 256. I went on Atkins 6 months ago and I have lost 38 > pounds so far. my goal is 200 so I only have 18 to go. But then, I > would really like to get down around 190. You can do it. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dean Cooper" > To: "KR builders and pilots" > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 1:07 PM > Subject: Re: KR>advice > > > Netters, > > Thanks for all the colorful emails. :) > > Clearly, the consensus is I need to get my weight down below at least > 200 lbs to ensure this is a 2 place A/C. I will make that my goal. I > appreciate everyone's responses. Some in particular were very informative. > > Thanks. > > Dean Cooper > Jacksonville, FL > See my KR project at: www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2.html > ----- Original Message ----- > > >Well now I'm convinced, maybe I'll set my gross weight at 2400 lbs > and only > >fly 1g maneuvers (take off will be tricky, i admit). > >After all, the plane fly's just great at 2400 lbs, just as long as > I keep > >that CG centered >:) > >Larry A Capps > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > I'm sure you're exaggeration is to make a point or else you missed a > line or two in my post. To review: > > " I would > say that within reason, CG takes priority over total weight." > > "Additional weight will certainly hurt performance but the airplane > should be flyable, again within reason." > > "Let common sense prevail !!" > > I think we would all agree that 2400 lbs is beyond REASON > and COMMON SENSE for a KR 2 as designed by Ken Rand. > > Larry Flesner > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:29:54 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Carbs/ flooding Message-ID: <004f01c39b60$a994e8e0$bb96dccb@StationW2k04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 6 I would have to agree, with the others, it sound like it is flooding.=20 If you are not up with Carbs, remove it completely and take to someone = that is, and get it overhauled. a small price to pay. Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.ao Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ =20 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:55:11 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>KR2SS- More Detail Message-ID: <006401c39b64$3191cee0$bb96dccb@StationW2k04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 7 I have spoken to Garry the owner, and he told me the following 27 foot w/s Less dihedral Same wing spar tapper 12 inches to H/S span engine 2 inches forward. Fus. as per Plan Cord the same Wing tanks behind the spar No header Tank Two inline fuel pumps. ( No. 2 for backup if needed)=20 Prop 52 by 51 500' p/m climb 900 agl ( home base) Cruise 3200 rpm 120 kts 3000 rpm 110 kts bad weather ( Hot) 95 kts Garry is going to Kit the aircraft, in Australia and with all the modes, = call it a "Joey 2" . should be ready in 2004 Boat stage finished, ready with mould top deck, wing spars finished and = moulded wing skins fitted ?? should be around $32,000 Aust or $15,000 Aust for a basic kit Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.ao Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ =20 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 22:33:13 -0400 From: Kenneth L Wiltrout To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Carbs/ flooding Message-ID: <20031025.223313.2580.1.klw1953@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Phil, this is not really a carb, it's a fuel mixer, very very simple, the only moving part is the slide which has the needle attached, I've overhauled more carbs in my time than I care to remember, this is a temperature related problem.-----------------thanks On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:29:54 +1100 "Phillip Matheson" writes: > I would have to agree, with the others, it sound like it is flooding. > > > If you are not up with Carbs, remove it completely and take to > someone that is, and get it overhauled. > > a small price to pay. > > > > > Phillip Matheson > matheson@dodo.com.ao > Australia > VH PKR > See our engines and kits at. > http://www.vw-engines.com/ > http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 22:04:46 -0500 From: "Jim Faughn" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: RE: KR>advice Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009701c39b5e$422bbe60$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 I truly hope you will. I fight the effects of weight and high blood pressure and I have to keep my weight below 200 or I will exceed the limits that are imposed for my physical. I hope this "challenge" will help you and I look forward to the trip. Take care. Jim -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+jfaughn=socket.net@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+jfaughn=socket.net@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Mark Jones Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 8:13 PM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>advice Jim, I am going to hold you to that offer as I will need to take a few rides before I fly my bird for the first time which I anticipate to be early summer. Thanks Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Faughn" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 6:25 PM Subject: RE: KR>advice > Mark, > > If you hit 190, I'll fly up to Wales and give you a currency ride. > > Jim Faughn > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of Mark Jones > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 1:27 PM > To: KR builders and pilots > Subject: Re: KR>advice > > > Dean, > It is easy to get that weight down. I 1999 at the Kentucky Gathering, > I weighed in at 256. I went on Atkins 6 months ago and I have lost 38 > pounds so far. my goal is 200 so I only have 18 to go. But then, I > would really like to get down around 190. You can do it. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dean Cooper" > To: "KR builders and pilots" > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 1:07 PM > Subject: Re: KR>advice > > > Netters, > > Thanks for all the colorful emails. :) > > Clearly, the consensus is I need to get my weight down below at least > 200 lbs to ensure this is a 2 place A/C. I will make that my goal. I > appreciate everyone's responses. Some in particular were very informative. > > Thanks. > > Dean Cooper > Jacksonville, FL > See my KR project at: www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2.html > ----- Original Message ----- > > >Well now I'm convinced, maybe I'll set my gross weight at 2400 lbs > and only > >fly 1g maneuvers (take off will be tricky, i admit). > >After all, the plane fly's just great at 2400 lbs, just as long as > I keep > >that CG centered >:) > >Larry A Capps > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > I'm sure you're exaggeration is to make a point or else you missed a > line or two in my post. To review: > > " I would > say that within reason, CG takes priority over total weight." > > "Additional weight will certainly hurt performance but the airplane > should be flyable, again within reason." > > "Let common sense prevail !!" > > I think we would all agree that 2400 lbs is beyond REASON > and COMMON SENSE for a KR 2 as designed by Ken Rand. > > Larry Flesner > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 23:39:12 -0400 From: "Ron Freiberger" To: , "KR builders and pilots" Subject: RE: KR>advice Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000001c39b42$2c7bbf00$0200a8c0@schpankme> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 They all want a Sport car response, stable like a Cherokee/150 ;o) Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com Larry said; I've noticed a trend, all to common related to the KR series; the anticipation of carrying large loads, great distances in perfect harmony with nature. If gross weight is at issue, a couple of laps per day around the airport will go a lot further than increasing your planes gross weight limit. And for some of us, face facts, your always going to fly the KR solo no matter how many laps you run >:) Larry A Capps Naperville, IL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 23:01:39 -0700 From: "Lee" To: Subject: KR>my web site Message-ID: <002201c39b86$a1144910$6b01a8c0@D3DF1Y11> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 11 Mark, =20 I have a KR2 that was built in 1984 that I'm in the process of updating. = I have a web site that I would like to add to the links, of KR's under = construction. I also have some questions about some things. =20 =20 http://vandyke5.com/kr2.htm =20 =20 1.. I am in the process of rebuilding the elevator and rudder. I have = noticed several e-mails about elevator counter balances. My KR did not = have a counter balance, is it all that necessary? On that same topic, I = have noticed some people have extended the elevator outward and forward = creating a counter balance. Would that be the easiest thing to do in my = case? 2.. In the process of removing the elevator I cut though the rear = support for the fin, against your advice, I regret to say, I will listen = next time. Rather than trying to splice it back in would it be better = to remove the old one and replace it with a new one. My concern about = this is its attachment of the support to the lower portion of the = fuselage. If all of the old support can be removed I should have a = clean area for glue to attach the new support. What do you think? 3.. Another concern it being able to get to the top 2 bolts for the = motor mounts. The back nuts on the mounts are in a void behind the = fuselage that you can't get to from the bottom or the top. There are = sealed in that area by the wood support on the bottom, and a piece of = wood on the top that the front deck rests on. Not to mention the header = tank being in the middle of every thing. ???? =20 I would appreciate any help in these matters. My goal is to get this = thing in the air by January, April at the latest. =20 =20 Thank you =20 R. Lee Van Dyke Vandyke5.com Mesa, AZ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 23:34:35 -0700 (PDT) From: F Ross To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Concord SST, London to New York Message-ID: <20031026063435.48266.qmail@web40912.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 12 Have been off the list a few months getting settled in England, where my wife is stationed with the USAF. Thought you'd like to hear about the SST. Last Thursday I saw the last Concord lift off from London’s Heathrow Airport bound for New York. My friend from EAA Chapter 35, Terry Winnett, read about the last flight being on Friday, the 24th and we wanted to see it take off before then. A quarter million people were expected for Friday and we wanted to beat that crowd. The BP station across the street from runway 09 was the best place to see a take off, so we got there about 1745 and waited in the cold until the take-off at about 1920. A crowd of several hundred had gathered by the time the plane took off and we had a great time talking to all those around us. Many were not dressed for the cold but stayed anyway. The British love airplanes and the Concorde is very special to them. There were the very old and little kids and as many women as men in the crowd. A lot of us brought cameras but it was too dark for a good picture by the time our plane took off. Planes were going over every few minutes and we had a lot of false starts. When the SST did take off there was no mistaking it. First of all, there was the noise. Much louder and deeper than even the 747s that had gone over. Then the dark shadow rising from the horizon, followed by the orange lights of the four huge exhausts against the dark blue of the evening sky. It came directly over us at very low altitude and the roar completely blocked out all other sound. The cabin lights were clearly visible as a chain of light along the fuselage. The plane looked light blue against the darker sky. As it passed overhead, the nose lifting higher, those huge exhausts glowing in the night, now the top of those massive wings visible and the plane tilting slightly to the right, leaving us much faster than anyone wanted. Much too soon it was gone. The next day there would be more but they were in the daylight and not nearly as impressive. The Thursday evening take off to New York was the best by far. Oh, almost forgot the runner. Just as we arrived at 1745 a beautiful girl ran down the sidewalk dressed in very tiny running shorts and a halter top. Good runner, too. She disappeared almost as fast as the SST and we were just as glad to be there when she passed. A night I’ll never forget. Frank Ross, EAA Chapter 35, San Geronimo, Texas, Now in England, UK __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:42:21 +1000 From: Gavin Donohoe To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Controls Message-ID: <000a01c39ba5$74c543e0$0c4d8690@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 13 Hi all, I'm making my dual control stick assy the same as Mark Langford's from bits and pieces around the workshop, and I have some 1 1/8" T6 alum tube I was thinking of using for the stick. Has anybody any ideas as whether this is going to be too large Diameter to be practical?? by this I mean is it going to be too bulky and get in the way all the time? I know it's over kill but hey it's free!! Remember the home builders motto if it costs money it's too expensive. Gav --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/2003 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 06:25:09 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>Controls Message-ID: <3F9BAF15.000003.02344@Computer> References: <000a01c39ba5$74c543e0$0c4d8690@oemcomputer> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 14 RE: 1 1/8" T6 alum tube......by this I mean is it going to be too bulky = and get in the way all the time?=0D =0D =0D The only things that I can think of is that it will affect is the size th= at everything else may need to be and the clearance you will have between it and the floor for running your cable or tube horn. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From DanRH@alltel.net Sun Oct 26 03:32:37 2003 Received: from mta01.alltel.net ([166.102.165.143] helo=mta01-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1ADj8O-000AT0-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 03:32:36 -0800 Received: from Computer ([151.213.92.252]) by mta01-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20031026113654.PLTZ4162.mta01-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 05:36:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3F9BB1D7.000007.02344@Computer> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 06:36:55 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" References: <20031026063435.48266.qmail@web40912.mail.yahoo.com> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: Subject: Re: KR>Concord SST, London to New York Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Frank,=0D =0D It is great to hear from you. The British aren't the only ones who will miss that plane. It is sort of like "back to the future". It is hard to believe that it is gone. Do you know what museums are going to get them?= I would love to walk through one. They had one at Oshkosh several of the years that I wasn't there, but I couldn't afford the ride anyway, but now= , I guess it seems as though it would have been worth the $500 for a trip aro= und the patch to put in the memory banks.=0D =0D Thanks for writing. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Sunday, October 26, 2003 1:34:51 AM=0D To: krnet@mylist.net=0D Subject: KR>Concord SST, London to New York=0D =0D Have been off the list a few months getting settled in=0D England, where my wife is stationed with the USAF.=0D Thought you'd like to hear about the SST.=0D =0D Last Thursday I saw the last Concord lift off from=0D London=92s Heathrow Airport bound for New York. My=0D friend from EAA Chapter 35, Terry Winnett, read about=0D the last flight being on Friday, the 24th and we=0D wanted to see it take off before then. A quarter=0D million people were expected for Friday and we wanted=0D to beat that crowd.=0D The BP station across the street from runway 09 was=0D the best place to see a take off, so we got there=0D about 1745 and waited in the cold until the take-off=0D at about 1920. A crowd of several hundred had gathered=0D by the time the plane took off and we had a great time=0D talking to all those around us. Many were not dressed=0D for the cold but stayed anyway. The British love=0D airplanes and the Concorde is very special to them.=0D There were the very old and little kids and as many=0D women as men in the crowd.=0D A lot of us brought cameras but it was too dark for a=0D good picture by the time our plane took off. Planes=0D were going over every few minutes and we had a lot of=0D false starts. When the SST did take off there was no=0D mistaking it.=0D First of all, there was the noise. Much louder and=0D deeper than even the 747s that had gone over. Then the=0D dark shadow rising from the horizon, followed by the=0D orange lights of the four huge exhausts against the=0D dark blue of the evening sky. It came directly over us=0D at very low altitude and the roar completely blocked=0D out all other sound. The cabin lights were clearly=0D visible as a chain of light along the fuselage. The=0D plane looked light blue against the darker sky. As it=0D passed overhead, the nose lifting higher, those huge=0D exhausts glowing in the night, now the top of those=0D massive wings visible and the plane tilting slightly=0D to the right, leaving us much faster than anyone=0D wanted.=0D Much too soon it was gone. The next day there would be=0D more but they were in the daylight and not nearly as=0D impressive. The Thursday evening take off to New York=0D was the best by far.=0D Oh, almost forgot the runner. Just as we arrived at=0D 1745 a beautiful girl ran down the sidewalk dressed in=0D very tiny running shorts and a halter top. Good=0D runner, too. She disappeared almost as fast as the SST=0D and we were just as glad to be there when she passed.=0D A night I=92ll never forget.=0D Frank Ross,=0D EAA Chapter 35,=0D San Geronimo, Texas,=0D Now in England, UK=0D =0D __________________________________=0D Do you Yahoo!?=0D Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears=0D http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/=0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2EFrom alamokr2@yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 04:34:41 2003 Received: from web40911.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.78.208]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1ADk6T-000DN3-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 04:34:41 -0800 Message-ID: <20031026123900.25638.qmail@web40911.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.78.84.83] by web40911.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 04:39:00 PST Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 04:39:00 -0800 (PST) From: F Ross Subject: Re: KR>Concord SST To: krnet@mylist.net In-Reply-To: <3F9BB1D7.000007.02344@Computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Dan, Been following your progress on the digest. Looks great. The Concord BBC page you mentioned has a link to another page with a good photo of the Thursday night take-off at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3209441.stm Another good Concord site is at: http://www.concordesst.com/ for info on the museums. There's one at the Imperial Air Museum at RAF Duxford which I got to walk through a couple weeks ago. It is small inside, I had to duck to walk through the passenger compartment. The seats are two on each side of the isle and they are smaller than first-class. Okay for four hours, I guess. Sure a lot of guages in the cockpit. Still, an amazing airplane the British can be proud of. Frank Ross EAA Chapter 35, San Geronimo, Texas, Now in England, UK __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:17:14 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>my web site Message-ID: <002101c39bc3$79143000$1202a8c0@basement> References: <002201c39b86$a1144910$6b01a8c0@D3DF1Y11> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15 Lee Van Dyke wrote: >> I have a KR2 that was built in 1984 that I'm in the process of >> updating. I have a web site that I would like to add to the links, of KR's under construction. I also have some questions about some things. << I'll do my best to add the link later today. You know that several of the links (motor, canopy, and landing gear) don't work for me. As for the questions, I wouldn't want to look like a "glory hound". There are plenty of folks on KRnet who can and will help you out with those... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:43:20 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>my web site Message-ID: <002201c39bc7$1e8a8ea0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <002201c39b86$a1144910$6b01a8c0@D3DF1Y11> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16 Lee, 1) There are a lot of non balanced KR's flying but they generally are those which fly slow. If your KR is going to be in the upper speed realm (150 +), I would definitely counterbalance the elevator. It is a fairly simple modification to add tips to the elevator to house the weights. Flutter is a killer.....why take the chance. 2) Since you have cut through the vertical spar, don't sweat it, splice it. I made the mistake of glassing in my vertical before the elevator was built and installed and I thought I was going to have to do the same. I would not try and remove the existing spar. It would be very difficult to get to the bulkhead area to do so. I would simply make a second spar and laminate (T-88) it to the forward side of the cut spar. This should get you out of the woods and you will have a strong vertical spar. 3) The builder of your plane should have left the mount nuts accessible. However since he did not, they may be floxed in place where the bolts may be removed. Why do you need to remove them? PS: Langford...I can not believe you gave up the "Glory". Hallelujah Brother!!!! Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee" 1.. I am in the process of rebuilding the elevator and rudder. I have noticed several e-mails about elevator counter balances. My KR did not have a counter balance, is it all that necessary? On that same topic, I have noticed some people have extended the elevator outward and forward creating a counter balance. Would that be the easiest thing to do in my case? 2.. In the process of removing the elevator I cut though the rear support for the fin, against your advice, I regret to say, I will listen next time. Rather than trying to splice it back in would it be better to remove the old one and replace it with a new one. My concern about this is its attachment of the support to the lower portion of the fuselage. If all of the old support can be removed I should have a clean area for glue to attach the new support. What do you think? 3.. Another concern it being able to get to the top 2 bolts for the motor mounts. The back nuts on the mounts are in a void behind the fuselage that you can't get to from the bottom or the top. There are sealed in that area by the wood support on the bottom, and a piece of wood on the top that the front deck rests on. Not to mention the header tank being in the middle of every thing. ???? I would appreciate any help in these matters. My goal is to get this thing in the air by January, April at the latest. Thank you R. Lee Van Dyke Vandyke5.com Mesa, AZ _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:48:45 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Subject: KR>Concorde / KR Message-ID: <002f01c39bc7$e0958b80$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 17 In 1998 at EAA I captured a PRICELESS photo of Tom Crawford's KR with = the Concorde. I just wish I had of had a digital camera at the time. = Anyway, it is the top right photo and here is the link. By the way, I = started building my KR just five months prior to this photo. Here is the = link. http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/photos.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 200, Issue 1 *************************************