From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:21 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 201, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: carb heat box (Kenneth L Wiltrout) 2. Project update (Donald Reid) 3. Re: Controls (roger mitchell) 4. Re: my web site 5. Re: my web site (roger mitchell) 6. Re: my web site (Barry Kruyssen) 7. Re: Balancing elevator. (Dan Heath) 8. Re: KR2SS- More Detail (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 9. Re: KR2SS- More Detail (Phillip Matheson) 10. Engine monitor (Jack Cooper) 11. 24 gals of gas (Ross Youngblood) 12. Re: 24 gals of gas (Timothy Bellville) 13. Re: KR Testing (Timothy Bellville) 14. Re: KR Testing (Timothy Bellville) 15. Re: carb heat box (Timothy Bellville) 16. 24 gals of gas (Larry A Capps) 17. KR1 Retract Gear Bar Needed (collin cleland) 18. Wynnes Engine Mount (Richard Parker) 19. Re: Wynnes Engine Mount (David Mullins) 20. Re: KR Testing (Dan Heath) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:11:42 -0500 From: Kenneth L Wiltrout To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>carb heat box Message-ID: <20031026.151142.2356.4.klw1953@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 Cool, Thanks------------------any idea what the draw was w/it. ( amps) On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:51:15 -0500 "Timothy Bellville" writes: > Yes , GM used a small elec. grid heater under the carbs on chevettes > and > citations. it is 12 v and easily adapted to use as pre or post > heat. > Go to a junk yard and get one they may just give it to you. > It is part of the gasket, but can be cut out. > I used one on my Sonerai and it worked great. > Tim > KR2 N7038V > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kenneth L Wiltrout" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 9:40 AM > Subject: KR>carb heat box > > > > I've been having problems in cold weather w/my Revmaster > 2100 > > w/Revflow carb. In cold weather below 50 deg or so the thing runs > so rich > > that it fouls the plugs so bad that I need to give up for a couple > hrs or > > so. I've run the needle in all the way and things don't get any > better, > > so I emailed Joe at Revmaster and he suggested a heat box for the > carb to > > warm the fuel as it enters the intake. Now I'm sure he is not > talking > > about using carb heat as I have that, ( is there some elec device > )plus > > that would be ineffective for 10 min or so till the motor warms > up. > > Anybody know what Joe was referring to?? > > Joe seemed to think that due to the lower temps the fuel was not > > vaporizing properly. I've turned wrenches for the 1st 20 yrs of my > career > > and never had a problem like this w cars or cycles. > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf > > the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit > > www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:04:48 -0500 From: Donald Reid To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Project update Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20031026160114.01bf2380@pop.erols.com> In-Reply-To: <20031026.151142.2356.4.klw1953@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2 It has been quite some time since I made an update to my website. Since I have started the painting process and the color is (more or less) an even white, I thought that it was time to post a few new pictures. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.orgFrom crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sun Oct 26 13:04:59 2003 Received: from ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.5.132] helo=ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)id 1ADs4J-000Da8-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:04:59 -0800 Received: from Beverly (5.70.33.65.cfl.rr.com [65.33.70.5]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id h9QL8uKF017924 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:09:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001401c39c05$6a844a10$05462141@Beverly> From: "Colin" To: "KR builders and pilots" References: <000e01c39bf8$fd6adea0$1660570c@donnas> Subject: Re: KR>KR Testing Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:08:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Tim, Ran up our 1835 with big jug heads and Culver 52/48 prop, and at 2200rpm = static brought the tail right up! Had to have the wife sit on the = horizontal stab next to the fuse to keep it down! Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!From Flymaca711689@aol.com Sun Oct 26 14:40:57 2003 Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.8]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1ADtZA-000I4p-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:40:56 -0800 Received: from Flymaca711689@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id g.11d.272df9cf (4230) for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:44:59 -0500 (EST) From: Flymaca711689@aol.com Message-ID: <11d.272df9cf.2ccda86b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:44:59 EST Subject: Re: KR>carb heat box To: krnet@mylist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: ken how are you starting it now that its colder. mine likes full rich cracked 1/4 fuel on key at the same time with revflow great planes intake. if you wash the plugs its going to act like its rich due to the fouled plugs till they clear up. my intake is new but it was the same for the home-brew manifold i have no carb heat but it has heat box with scat hose to the ex's stove. i have to be real easy at applying the ram air on climb out or it seams like its lean due to the over boast that you guys have talk about. new numbers idle 975 1000rpms static 3,550 rpm 52x 44 sterba prop .you just might be flooding it use Jim faughn method of tuning and you will probably will be OK it just sounds out of adjustment mac n1055a ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:48:30 -0600 From: "roger mitchell" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Controls Message-ID: References: <000a01c39ba5$74c543e0$0c4d8690@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 3 you might consider that most handles are bored to 7/8 or 3/4 dia,soif = you plan to use a nice grip you may wish you went smaller with the = control post ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gavin Donohoe=20 To: KR builders and pilots=20 Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 3:42 AM Subject: KR>Controls Hi all, I'm making my dual control stick assy the same as Mark Langford's = from bits and pieces around the workshop, and I have some 1 1/8" T6 alum = tube I was thinking of using for the stick. Has anybody any ideas as whether this is going to be too large = Diameter to be practical?? by this I mean is it going to be too bulky = and get in the way all the time? I know it's over kill but hey it's = free!! Remember the home builders motto if it costs money it's too expensive. Gav --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/2003 _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:55:36 EST From: JSMONDAY@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>my web site Message-ID: <1c0.10c3b0fa.2ccdb8f8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 I would be curious to see if anyone has plans for the extended elevator for counter weight. I have heard people wanting to extend the h/s 6" on either side for better pitch control (when they are heavier!) Can I add on to the end of my elevator 6" on each side and add counter weight.. should it be the full length (deepth) or the horizontal stabilizer??? Thanks, John Monday KR2S Laguna Beach, CA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:10:01 -0600 From: "roger mitchell" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>my web site Message-ID: References: <1c0.10c3b0fa.2ccdb8f8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 5 bear in mind the farther forward you can place the weight ,the more = effective per oz. it will be.on the stab. also a little wit of weigth 10 = ft. aft of your C.G. has a large effect ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JSMONDAY@aol.com=20 To: krnet@mylist.net=20 Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 5:55 PM Subject: Re: KR>my web site I would be curious to see if anyone has plans for the extended = elevator for=20 counter weight. I have heard people wanting to extend the h/s 6" on = either=20 side for better pitch control (when they are heavier!) Can I add on = to the end=20 of my elevator 6" on each side and add counter weight.. should it be = the full=20 length (deepth) or the horizontal stabilizer??? Thanks, John Monday KR2S Laguna Beach, CA _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:27:29 +1000 From: Barry Kruyssen To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>my web site Message-ID: <036c01c39c21$1d1c3eb0$4000a8c0@t1w419> References: <1c0.10c3b0fa.2ccdb8f8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 6 John Monday as asked to very question I was about to ask. I already have a CofG problem and have added lead to my front engine mount to correct. Puting more weight that far back is really going to cost me in weight. Are there other ways to get the same result? Spring tention on the upper cable? or on both with a bias to the top cable? Replace the cables with a push/pull rod and put the counter weight on the foreward pivot point of the rod (rear spar)? On another note: This is by far the best email list I've been part of. The information is great, not to much bull .......dust. Thanks to all who contribute to this list. The more I read, the more I learn and then I realise, the less I know! :-) Thanks Barry Kruyssen kr2@BigPond.com AUF Registered 19-3873 http://users.tpg.com.au/barryk/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "roger mitchell" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:10 AM Subject: Re: KR>my web site bear in mind the farther forward you can place the weight ,the more effective per oz. it will be.on the stab. also a little wit of weigth 10 ft. aft of your C.G. has a large effect ----- Original Message ----- From: JSMONDAY@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 5:55 PM Subject: Re: KR>my web site I would be curious to see if anyone has plans for the extended elevator for counter weight. I have heard people wanting to extend the h/s 6" on either side for better pitch control (when they are heavier!) Can I add on to the end of my elevator 6" on each side and add counter weight.. should it be the full length (deepth) or the horizontal stabilizer??? Thanks, John Monday KR2S Laguna Beach, CA _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:02:18 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>Balancing elevator. Message-ID: <3F9C6E9A.000001.03780@Computer> References: <036c01c39c21$1d1c3eb0$4000a8c0@t1w419> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 7 Barry,=0D =0D "Get the lead out". Move the engine forward. You can get a different engine mount or make spools to go between the engine case and mount. =0D =0D If you are going to balance your elevator, do it on the elevator. If you are not a very fast plane, maybe it does not matter that much. =0D =0D Balancing is always a good practice, but none of the early KRs had balanc= e on anything but the ailerons. =0D =0D Be sure your control cables are never allowed to get sloppy, put your rud= der cable in a closed loop. =0D =0D Your results will vary.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From klw1953@juno.com Sun Oct 26 17:45:34 2003 Received: from m03.lax.untd.com ([64.136.30.66]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1ADwRq-0001HS-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:45:34 -0800 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"EQtoFgNDcyLHgKPX22S71kMSMWJN6Xx6WLUVG6Mip5awcQIqrY3T4w==">; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:49:34 PST Received: (from klw1953@juno.com) by m03.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JDGARZ5Z; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:49:34 PST To: krnet@mylist.net Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:48:56 -0500 Subject: Re: KR>carb heat box Message-ID: <20031026.204856.2460.0.klw1953@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-34 From: Kenneth L Wiltrout X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Thanks Mac----------I made some adjustments today but the weather did not co operate, I'll try to fly it next wk end. On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:44:59 EST Flymaca711689@aol.com writes: > ken how are you starting it now that its colder. mine likes full rich > cracked > 1/4 fuel on key at the same time with revflow great planes intake. > if you > wash the plugs its going to act like its rich due to the fouled > plugs till they > clear up. my intake is new but it was the same for the home-brew > manifold i > have no carb heat but it has heat box with scat hose to the ex's > stove. i have > to be real easy at applying the ram air on climb out or it seams > like its > lean due to the over boast that you guys have talk about. new > numbers idle 975 > 1000rpms static 3,550 rpm 52x 44 sterba prop .you just might be > flooding it use > Jim faughn method of tuning and you will probably will be OK it just > sounds > out of adjustment > > > > > > > mac n1055a > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:56:40 -0500 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>KR2SS- More Detail Message-ID: <20031026.210421.1896.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Does RR get a license fee ? Virg On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:55:11 +1100 "Phillip Matheson" writes: > > > I have spoken to Garry the owner, and he told me the following > > 27 foot w/s > Less dihedral > Same wing spar tapper > 12 inches to H/S span > engine 2 inches forward. Fus. as per Plan > Cord the same > Wing tanks behind the spar > No header Tank > Two inline fuel pumps. ( No. 2 for backup if needed) > Prop 52 by 51 > 500' p/m climb 900 agl ( home base) > Cruise 3200 rpm 120 kts > 3000 rpm 110 kts > bad weather ( Hot) 95 kts > > Garry is going to Kit the aircraft, in Australia and with all the > modes, call it a "Joey 2" . should be ready in 2004 > Boat stage finished, ready with mould top deck, wing spars finished > and moulded wing skins fitted ?? > should be around $32,000 Aust or $15,000 Aust for a basic kit > > > Phillip Matheson > matheson@dodo.com.ao > Australia > VH PKR > See our engines and kits at. > http://www.vw-engines.com/ > http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:12:50 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>KR2SS- More Detail Message-ID: <004701c39c2f$d3538d10$7c97dccb@StationW2k04> References: <20031026.210421.1896.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 Does RR get a license fee ? Virg ____________________ Very good Question Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.ao Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR at Mark Jones web http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/pmkr2.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:10:40 -0500 From: "Jack Cooper" To: "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" , "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Engine monitor Message-ID: <410-220031012721040150@earthlink.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BC2B74.89D1CCC0" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BC2B74.89D1CCC0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII A friend of mine dropped by today and brought a Rockey Mountain Engine Monitor which he removed from a project he is going to part out. In the link below it is the large moniter on the right. I'm more partial to analog gauges and so I don't think I will offer him what it is worth. You will find the price of this instrument new is, in kit form approx $1000, in assembled approx $1300 plus sensors. Of course this is a used instrument and has no sensors with it. I really don't know the condition but he said it will power up. He may put it on Ebay but if anyone would like to make an offer or ask questions about it contact me off net.I would be glad to pass it on to him. http://www.rkymtn.com/ Robert J. (Jack) Cooper kr2cooper@earthlink.net http://www.jackandsandycooper.com/kr2.html Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ------=_NextPart_000_01BC2B74.89D1CCC0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Rocky Mountain Instrument.url" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Description: Rocky Mountain Instrument.url Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Rocky Mountain Instrument.url" W0RFRkFVTFRdDQpCQVNFVVJMPWh0dHA6Ly93d3cucmt5bXRuLmNvbS8NCg0KW0ludGVybmV0U2hv cnRjdXRdDQpVUkw9aHR0cDovL3d3dy5ya3ltdG4uY29tLw0KTW9kaWZpZWQ9NjBDOTFBNTAyRDlD QzMwMTIwDQo= ------=_NextPart_000_01BC2B74.89D1CCC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 03:46:49 +0100 From: "Ross Youngblood" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>24 gals of gas Message-ID: <20031027024649.19367.qmail@operamail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 > IF YOU CARRY 24GAL'S. OF GAS you could be flying for up to 6 hrs.,do > you want to be in there for that long? 12 gal,s may be more reasonable Another way to look at it is... you have 6 hours of flying time BETWEEN refueling. That doesn't mean you can't stop to buy a hot dog, pancake breakfast, $100 hamburger, and come back before fueling. Three things of no use to me as a pilot: 1) Fuel in the truck on the ground below you. 2) Sky above you. 3) Runway behind you. -- ___________________________________________________ OperaMail free e-mail - http://www.operamail.com OperaMail Premium - 28MB, POP3, more! US$29.99/year Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:32:12 -0500 From: "Timothy Bellville" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>24 gals of gas Message-ID: <002001c39c3a$ef17daa0$ae5f570c@donnas> References: <20031027024649.19367.qmail@operamail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 I remember an old aviation saying: "the only time you have too much fuel is when you are on fire" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Youngblood" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 9:46 PM Subject: KR>24 gals of gas > > IF YOU CARRY 24GAL'S. OF GAS you could be flying for up to 6 hrs.,do > > you want to be in there for that long? > > 12 gal,s may be more reasonable > > Another way to look at it is... you have 6 hours of flying time > BETWEEN refueling. That doesn't mean you can't stop to buy a hot dog, > pancake breakfast, $100 hamburger, and come back before fueling. > > Three things of no use to me as a pilot: > 1) Fuel in the truck on the ground below you. > 2) Sky above you. > 3) Runway behind you. > > > -- > ___________________________________________________ > OperaMail free e-mail - http://www.operamail.com > OperaMail Premium - 28MB, POP3, more! US$29.99/year > > Powered by Outblaze > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:43:19 -0500 From: "Timothy Bellville" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>KR Testing Message-ID: <002a01c39c3c$77828880$ae5f570c@donnas> References: <000e01c39bf8$fd6adea0$1660570c@donnas> <3F9C2472.000007.02440@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 Hi Dan, I have fuselage mounted spring gear. I don't believe that it is the problem.And now I really don't think that I have a problem. Given the amount of thrust,and I believe some lift from the stub wings. but after I put some more thought to it I realized that I may have created a ground effect from the fence that I had the tail tied to.(6'stockade), it was 6 feet behind the tail. I plan on doing more tests in an open field. Tim KR2 N7038V ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 2:45 PM Subject: Re: KR>KR Testing Without the wings on, it is very nose heavy. You may also have a problem with your gear geometry. What kind of gear do you have? N64KR Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org -------Original Message------- From: KR builders and pilots Date: Sunday, October 26, 2003 2:40:09 PM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>KR Testing Hi Everyone, I just finished testing my knew engine on the KR, and would like to tell of the results. First , the nomenclature of this engine a 1775cc,with a oo9 ignition and blue super coil,Kubota 14 amp. Dynamo/alt. with a HD regulator and drycell Batt. Duel port heads and a Zenith model 68 carb. First I had some difficulty getting it started and had to use starter fluid but after wile it fired over. After setting the timing and mixture , I got in and slowly ran it up. That is when something amazing happened, with full up elevator, the tail tied down and brakes applied, at 1/2 throttle,the tail came up! The outer wing panels were not installed and I only had about two gal. of fuel in the header tank. Has this happened to anyone else? I never seen a control surface generate that much lift with full opposite deflection. Tim Bellville KR2 N7038V _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ._______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:47:20 -0500 From: "Timothy Bellville" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>KR Testing Message-ID: <003e01c39c3d$0a2b64e0$ae5f570c@donnas> References: <000e01c39bf8$fd6adea0$1660570c@donnas> <001401c39c05$6a844a10$05462141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 Thanks Colin, I'm just now learning the quirks and characteristics of this little bird. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 4:08 PM Subject: Re: KR>KR Testing Tim, Ran up our 1835 with big jug heads and Culver 52/48 prop, and at 2200rpm static brought the tail right up! Had to have the wife sit on the horizontal stab next to the fuse to keep it down! Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!_______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:54:59 -0500 From: "Timothy Bellville" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>carb heat box Message-ID: <004601c39c3e$2f3e66f0$ae5f570c@donnas> References: <20031026.151142.2356.4.klw1953@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15 It uses about 2 amps , and gets to about 180 deg. f. but you only use it with the engine running. although I tried to test one to destruction I failed to get it to stop working. It can get hot enough to be an ignition source, I turned it on right after start up if needed, have it wired to the master to avoid leaving it on, or an indicator light.. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth L Wiltrout" To: Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 3:11 PM Subject: Re: KR>carb heat box > > Cool, Thanks------------------any idea what the draw was w/it. ( amps) > > > On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:51:15 -0500 "Timothy Bellville" > writes: > > Yes , GM used a small elec. grid heater under the carbs on chevettes > > and citations. it is 12 v and easily adapted to use as pre or post > > heat. > > Go to a junk yard and get one they may just give it to you. > > It is part of the gasket, but can be cut out. > > I used one on my Sonerai and it worked great. > > Tim > > KR2 N7038V > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kenneth L Wiltrout" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 9:40 AM > > Subject: KR>carb heat box > > > > > > > I've been having problems in cold weather w/my Revmaster > > 2100 > > > w/Revflow carb. In cold weather below 50 deg or so the thing runs > > so rich > > > that it fouls the plugs so bad that I need to give up for a couple > > hrs or > > > so. I've run the needle in all the way and things don't get any > > better, > > > so I emailed Joe at Revmaster and he suggested a heat box for the > > carb to > > > warm the fuel as it enters the intake. Now I'm sure he is not > > talking > > > about using carb heat as I have that, ( is there some elec device > > )plus > > > that would be ineffective for 10 min or so till the motor warms > > up. > > > Anybody know what Joe was referring to?? > > > Joe seemed to think that due to the lower temps the fuel was not > > > vaporizing properly. I've turned wrenches for the 1st 20 yrs of my > > career > > > and never had a problem like this w cars or cycles. > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! 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Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com > to sign up today! > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:12:17 -0600 From: "Larry A Capps" To: "'KR builders and pilots'" Subject: KR>24 gals of gas Message-ID: <000201c39c40$821a0850$0200a8c0@schpankme> In-Reply-To: <20031027024649.19367.qmail@operamail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16 Nicely said, will have this made into a plaque. Best Regards, Larry A Capps Naperville, IL -----Original Message----- Ross Youngblood Three things of no use to me as a pilot: 1) Fuel in the truck on the ground below you. 2) Sky above you. 3) Runway behind you. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 02:53:59 -0700 From: "collin cleland" To: "KR Escribe MAIL TO LIST" Cc: "collin cleland" Subject: KR>KR1 Retract Gear Bar Needed Message-ID: <01a801c39c70$3f797320$6acf94d1@collincle> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 17 Netters, I am looking for an original KR1 7075 aluminum bar used in the retract = landing gear. If anyone that has converted to fixed gear still has their original, = please contact me direct, off the net. I would prefer one that was undrilled, from someone who went fixed gear = before they mounted the retracts.Thanks! collincleland@sprint.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:34:36 +0000 From: "Richard Parker" To: krnet@mailinglists.org, krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Wynnes Engine Mount Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 18 Wiiliam Wynnes sample engine mount drawing shows the motor mount bushing location centers as 10.125 x 13.25. My engine tabs measure approx 10.125 X 10.25. Although I'm going with Dave mullins engine mount set up as it allows for front and rear engine movement to adjust the CG Are wynnes number incorrect or am I missing something? Rich Parker Peterborough, NH richontheroad@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Want to check if your PC is virus-infected? Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:14:06 -0500 From: David Mullins To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Wynnes Engine Mount Message-ID: <3F9D0C0E.10609@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 19 Rich, The 10.125" X 10 .25" are correct Dave Richard Parker wrote: > > Wiiliam Wynnes sample engine mount drawing shows the motor mount > bushing location centers as 10.125 x 13.25. My engine tabs measure > approx 10.125 X 10.25. > > Although I'm going with Dave mullins engine mount set up as it allows > for front and rear engine movement to adjust the CG > > Are wynnes number incorrect or am I missing something? > > > Rich Parker > Peterborough, NH > richontheroad@hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Want to check if your PC is virus-infected? Get a FREE computer virus > scan online from McAfee. > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:22:19 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>KR Testing Message-ID: <3F9D0DFB.000003.03780@Computer> References: <002a01c39c3c$77828880$ae5f570c@donnas> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 20 Tim,=0D =0D I believe that your assessment is correct that you don't have a problem. = =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Sunday, October 26, 2003 10:43:11 PM=0D To: KR builders and pilots=0D Subject: Re: KR>KR Testing=0D =0D Hi Dan,=0D I have fuselage mounted spring gear.=0D I don't believe that it is the problem.And now I really don't think that = I=0D have a problem. Given the amount of thrust,and I believe some lift from t= he=0D stub wings. but after I put some more thought to it I realized that I may= =0D have created a ground effect from the fence that I had the tail tied=0D to.(6'stockade), it was 6 feet behind the tail.=0D I plan on doing more tests in an open field.=0D Tim=0D KR2 N7038V=0D =0D =0D =0D ----- Original Message -----=0D From: "Dan Heath" =0D To: =0D Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 2:45 PM=0D Subject: Re: KR>KR Testing=0D =0D =0D Without the wings on, it is very nose heavy. You may also have a problem=0D with your gear geometry. What kind of gear do you have?=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Sunday, October 26, 2003 2:40:09 PM=0D To: KR builders and pilots=0D Subject: KR>KR Testing=0D =0D Hi Everyone,=0D I just finished testing my knew engine on the KR, and would like to tell = of=0D the results.=0D First , the nomenclature of this engine a 1775cc,with a oo9 ignition and=0D blue super coil,Kubota 14 amp. Dynamo/alt.=0D with a HD regulator and drycell Batt. Duel port heads and a Zenith model = 68=0D carb.=0D =0D First I had some difficulty getting it started and had to use starter flu= id=0D but after wile it fired over. After setting the timing and mixture , I go= t=0D in and slowly ran it up. That is when something amazing happened, with fu= ll=0D up elevator, the tail tied down and brakes applied, at 1/2 throttle,the t= ail=0D came up!=0D The outer wing panels were not installed and I only had about two gal. of= =0D fuel in the header tank.=0D Has this happened to anyone else? I never seen a control surface generate= =0D that much lift with full opposite deflection.=0D Tim Bellville=0D KR2 N7038V=0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2E._______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2EFrom DanRH@alltel.net Mon Oct 27 04:19:12 2003 Received: from mta02.alltel.net ([166.102.165.144] helo=mta02-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AE6L2-0006x1-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 04:19:12 -0800 Received: from Computer ([151.213.92.252]) by mta02-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20031027122333.GJQP527.mta02-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 06:23:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3F9D0E47.000005.03780@Computer> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:23:35 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" References: <002001c39c3a$ef17daa0$ae5f570c@donnas> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: Subject: Re: KR>24 gals of gas Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: RE: =0D "the only time you have too much fuel is when you are on fire"=0D =0D =0D OR, when your airplane can't carry it. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 201, Issue 1 *************************************