From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 210, Issue 2 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: brake set ups!!!!!!!! (Dan Heath) 2. Re: vinyl-ester - Hardener % (Phil Matheson) 3. Re: first flight in a kr-2s / air speed (Phil Matheson) 4. brake set ups!!!!!!! (larry flesner) 5. / air speed (larry flesner) 6. Prices Wicks- A/C Spruce (Phil Matheson) 7. Price wicks A/C Spruce (Phil Matheson) 8. Re: Price wicks A/C Spruce (roger mitchell) 9. Re: first flight in a kr-2s / air speed (Scott Cable) 10. Re: Tail feathers Question (Scott Cable) 11. Re: vinyl-ester - Hardener % (F Ross) 12. Re: Price wicks A/C Spruce (Ron Eason) 13. Re: Price wicks A/C Spruce (David Mikesell) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 05:49:11 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>brake set ups!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <3FA8D5A7.000011.03704@Computer> References: Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1 Ross,=0D =0D Take a look at Jack Cooper's set up. It is upside down from yours, but should work very well for you.=0D =0D http://www.jackandsandycooper.com/stickandpedals =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From jmw116@socal.rr.com Wed Nov 05 02:50:42 2003 Received: from orngca-mls03.socal.rr.com ([66.75.160.18]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AHLFK-0003EB-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 02:50:42 -0800 Received: from computer (cpe-24-24-218-71.socal.rr.com [24.24.218.71]) by orngca-mls03.socal.rr.com (8.11.4/8.11.3) with SMTP id hA5AtTU02538 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 02:55:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000d01c3a37a$8f3049f0$47da1818@computer> From: "Justin" To: Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 02:55:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Tail fethers Question X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: I accidently slipped past the S plans and glued my Vertical tail post on = without laminating the wood with 1/4" ply. The plans say to laminate ONE = side so I laminated the easy side which was the outside of the post. 18" = up like they said, the fuselage is 12" tall and woudl have to be a split = lamination or tail-post removal. Is what I did acceptable? Pictures of = the tail, concords last flight and other news is on my website below. Any tricks to aligning the HS and building the mount for it. I know = Mark you made your's "ground adjustable", could you give a description = of how you did that since I also will be using the corvair and new tail = etc... Justin N116JW www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/Home ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:47:29 +1100 From: "Phil Matheson" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR> vinyl-ester - Hardener % Message-ID: <008301c3a392$a9e648e0$3397dccb@Office> References: <021d01c3a348$91237a20$02488a3f@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 When bbuying vinyl ester also get the styrene suppressant "BYK S-750" It reduces the styrene odour 70 -90%. Add between o.3 and 1%. You will have --------------------------------------------------------- Bill You talked about using 0.3 to 1% hardener,?? I have been using Vinyl ster for some time and the company I get it from mades tanks, and all sorts of things including fuel tanks, they told me to use 2% harder, and not lower than 1 1/2% Can you give me any more details??? I have made my fuel tanks, at 2% rate, I have not had fuel in them yet. Was I misinformed Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( reserved) 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 23:00:02 +1100 From: "Phil Matheson" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>first flight in a kr-2s / air speed Message-ID: <00a101c3a394$6ae892e0$3397dccb@Office> References: <1cf.13c4a888.2cda2d87@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Can I ask why most Airs speed listed on the KRnet are in MPH. I was of the understanding that knots, was the international measurements for aircraft speed. It all gets confusing when some talk in KPH. MPH and others in Knots Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( reserved) 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 06:03:19 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>brake set ups!!!!!!! Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031105060319.007f78e0@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4 >Hi Guys My kr2S has cleveland brakes and the pedals are mounted below >the >header tank and hang from a shelf down. >The problem is connecting the hydraulic cyclinders to a toe brake set up as >the length of the rudder pedal arm is shorter than the hydraulic ram what >can be done to solve this problem and the associated geometry problems what >has been done and how photo's are great. >Ross >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Check out the following photos. http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/flesner/brakes1.jpg http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/flesner/brakes2.jpg http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/flesner/brakes3.jpg The only change I made after several hours of taxi test was to add a thin alum "L" bracket to the outside edge of each pedal so I can tell where my feet are at on the pedal. You want your feet to stay inside the vertical down tubes so you can get to the brakes if needed. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 06:10:15 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>/ air speed Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031105061015.0086b100@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <00a101c3a394$6ae892e0$3397dccb@Office> References: <1cf.13c4a888.2cda2d87@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5 >Can I ask why most Airs speed listed on the KRnet are in MPH. I was of >the understanding that knots, was the international measurements for >aircraft speed. Phil Matheson ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Phil, Our cars travel in MPH and many of the older, used, airspeed indicators we purchase for use in the KR are still marked in MPH. In addition to that, our brains still travel in MPH. My ASI is marked with both KMPH and SMPH. SMPH sounds faster so I'm sure that's what I'll use. :-) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 00:24:30 +1100 From: "Phil Matheson" To: "KR Builder & Pilots" Subject: KR>Prices Wicks- A/C Spruce Message-ID: <012201c3a3a0$378f7830$3397dccb@Office> Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_011C_01C3A3FC.586DC1E0" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_011C_01C3A3FC.586DC1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there any in difference quality of the Spruce kits from Wicks & = A/C Spruce seeing the price is so much difference A/C Spruce 02-05500 RAND KR-2 SPRUCE KIT $625.000 Info=20 02-05510 KR-2S SPRUCE WOOD KIT $675.000 Info=20 =20 Wicks $809.93 A&B Kit ( could not cut and past price) Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( reserved) 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_011C_01C3A3FC.586DC1E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 00:31:36 +1100 From: "Phil Matheson" To: "KR Builder & Pilots" Subject: KR>Price wicks A/C Spruce Message-ID: <014d01c3a3a1$355d3970$3397dccb@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 7 Sorry that was a cut and paste that did not work I Asked Is the a quality difference from the Wicks & A/C Spruce KR2s Spruce = kits? Seeing the price is a far bit different Wicks $809.93 A/C Spruce $675.00 Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( reserved) 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/From mjones@muellersales.com Wed Nov 05 05:56:38 2003 Received: from mail.ips-se.com ([12.31.195.94] helo=sic-exchange.beacondist.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)id 1AHO9F-00052m-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 05:56:38 -0800 Received: from insp4100 (h-64-105-185-242.CHCGILGM.covad.net [64.105.185.242]) by sic-exchange.beacondist.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2655.55) id WG2LDZTT; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:12:09 -0600 Message-ID: <007d01c3a3a5$4fe588c0$1b65a8c0@insp4100> From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" References: <014d01c3a3a1$355d3970$3397dccb@Office> Subject: Re: KR>Price wicks A/C Spruce Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:01:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: There should be no quality difference but I would make sure the kits are made up of the same sizes and cuts of spruce. Something there does not add up. Mark Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Matheson" Is the a quality difference from the Wicks & A/C Spruce KR2s Spruce kits? Seeing the price is a far bit different Wicks $809.93 A/C Spruce $675.00 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:57:58 -0600 From: "roger mitchell" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Price wicks A/C Spruce Message-ID: References: <014d01c3a3a1$355d3970$3397dccb@Office> <007d01c3a3a5$4fe588c0$1b65a8c0@insp4100> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 8 It has appeared to me that wicks is consistanty higher priced than = spruce, I think they are a smaller company=20 Wicks $809.93 A/C Spruce $675.00 _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:01:43 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>first flight in a kr-2s / air speed Message-ID: <20031105170143.6108.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <00a101c3a394$6ae892e0$3397dccb@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 9 1 knot = 1.15 mph --- Phil Matheson wrote: > Can I ask why most Airs speed listed on the KRnet > are in MPH. I was of the > understanding that knots, was the international > measurements for aircraft > speed. > It all gets confusing when some talk in KPH. MPH and > others in Knots > > Phil Matheson > matheson@dodo.com.au > VH-PKR ( reserved) > 61 3 58833588 > > See our VW Engines and Home built web page at > http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:55:24 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Tail feathers Question Message-ID: <20031105175524.45862.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <000d01c3a37a$8f3049f0$47da1818@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10 Justin, I'm not flaming you BUT:I checked your website... There's some pretty offensive language and content on your site. Do you find that necessisary to have that content on your website for the whole world to see? You might want to clean-up your website before you expect folks to look on your site and then give you advice. Personally I could care less where you place your middle digit, or who you you think is "Number One" or how you express your I.Q., others may not.... Also, could not find where you posted the new pictures of the Tail Feather (Tail post) Installation. However, I did notice that you still have the varnished fuselage pictures still there. So would you like to explain the procedure of how you went about removing the varnish from all of the faying surfaces? or my bet is you didn't... As far as laminating the plywood to the wrong side of the tailpost, if you "glued" it over the varnish, it should be no problem at all to remove it and add it onto the correct side-- should just pop off with very little effort with a putty knife. Of course, you might find it maybe more than a little beneficial to read the plans, because the procedure is outlined in vivid detail there... Or you might want to seek the advice of a EAA Technical Consultant. --- Justin wrote: > Any tricks to aligning the HS and building the > mount for it. I know Mark you made your's "ground adjustable", could > you give a description of how you did that since I also will be using > the corvair and new tail etc... > > Justin > N116JW > www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/Home > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:02:22 -0800 (PST) From: F Ross To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR> vinyl-ester - Hardener % Message-ID: <20031105180222.3720.qmail@web40902.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <008301c3a392$a9e648e0$3397dccb@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11 Now, still trying to work out --- Phil Matheson wrote: > When bbuying vinyl ester also get the styrene > suppressant "BYK S-750" It > reduces the styrene odour 70 -90%. Add between o.3 > and 1%. You will have > --------------------------------------------------------- > Bill > You talked about using 0.3 to 1% hardener,?? > Was I misinformed > > Phil Matheson > matheson@dodo.com.au > VH-PKR ( reserved) > 61 3 58833588 Hi Phil, By now you've probably realized that Bill was referring to the amount of styrene suppressant to add, not hardner. Oh, and about the MPH, KPH, and knots (Nauts?) thing. I think the Nauts and MPH thing is a hangover from aviation's start when no one could decide whether to use nautical or land-based terms. And, of course, the Navy pilots will NEVER let that one go. I don't really care, if they'd just chose one and let that be. Since coming to England have had some funny times with the currency. Bought a pair of gloves for three pounds and told (an American) friend I had bought some three pound gloves. She (a blonde, but a surgeon, too) asked why in the world I wanted gloves that weigh that much! ===== Frank Ross, EAA Chapter 35, San Geronimo, TX RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England UK alamokr2@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:36:20 -0800 From: "Ron Eason" To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Price wicks A/C Spruce Message-ID: <200311051036.AA355467584@jrl-engineering.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 12 ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "roger mitchell" Reply-To: KR builders and pilots Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:57:58 -0600 >It has appeared to me that wicks is consistanty higher priced than >spruce, I think they are a smaller company > Wicks $809.93 > A/C Spruce $675.00 This is true, but in my experienc, Wisks has faster service and better service, generally. I also believe that the quality is better with some materials. It seems you get what you pay for. Ron -- Ronald R. Eason Sr. Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. 816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO. Jim Eason V.P, 770-446-1291, Atlanta, Georgia Web Page: www.jrl-engineering.com -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:41:07 -0800 From: "David Mikesell" To: , "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Price wicks A/C Spruce Message-ID: <000501c3a3d4$c39c4ae0$03fea8c0@davids> References: <200311051036.AA355467584@jrl-engineering.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 I placed a spruce order with Aicraft Spruce and Specailty, no cuts just straight stock off the shelves and they said it would be 6 weeks, I placed the same order with Wicks and received it 4 days later called AS&S back and cancelled the order.....AS&S called me back 6 weeks later and said they were ready to bundle the order and asked if I still needed it. David Mikesell 23957 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-609-8774 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Eason" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:36 AM Subject: Re: KR>Price wicks A/C Spruce > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "roger mitchell" > Reply-To: KR builders and pilots > Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:57:58 -0600 > > >It has appeared to me that wicks is consistanty higher priced than spruce, I think they are a smaller company > > Wicks $809.93 > > A/C Spruce $675.00 > > This is true, but in my experienc, Wisks has faster service and better service, generally. I also believe that the quality is better with some materials. It seems you get what you pay for. > > Ron > > > -- > Ronald R. Eason Sr. > Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office > J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. > 816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO. > Jim Eason V.P, 770-446-1291, Atlanta, Georgia > Web Page: www.jrl-engineering.com > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 210, Issue 2 *************************************