From: krnet-bounces+markl=hiwaay.net@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 1:27 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 229, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Plywood Listing (larry flesner) 2. Re: G load - tank question. (larry flesner) 3. explosafe foam. (Harold Woods) 4. Re: explosafe foam. (Bob Sauer) 5. Re: Plywood Listing (David Mullins) 6. KR name (Brian Kraut) 7. secondary ignition (Brian Kraut) 8. Re: G load - tank question. (Justin) 9. instruments and parts for sale (Brian Kraut) 10. Re: Plywood Listing (Justin) 11. Re: G load - tank question. 12. Re: KR name (Mike Turner) 13. Ignition (Colin) 14. Re: G load - tank question. (Lee) 15. TANKS IN OUTER WINGS (Lee) 16. Re: TANKS IN OUTER WINGS (roger mitchell) 17. Re: TANKS IN OUTER WINGS (David Mikesell) 18. Re: Ignition 19. Re: Ignition (Carlos Romero) 20. Tank Size/flying time (Justin) 21. Re: Ignition 22. Re: Ignition (Carlos Romero) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 14:32:02 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Plywood Listing Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031123143202.0080f100@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <001f01c3b1e7$005fdcb0$47da1818@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 >"Aircraft Plywood, GL2 Rated" Does that mean it is certified for >Aircraft use/ is ok for skinning the boat? Here's the website, take a peak and let me know guys. >http://www.boulterplywood.com/ >Justin ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The listing I saw for aircraft birch said for "hobby craft" in the next colume. I don't consider my KR "hobby craft" !! :-) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 14:39:44 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>G load - tank question. Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031123143944.00812100@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <001101c3b1e4$b9792510$47da1818@computer> References: <20031123162752.45945.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> <001301c3b1e6$03f6b480$a43a3818@ph.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2 > >For my fuel setup im thinking something along the lines like a >Aircoupe. I want both wing tanks R & L and a small 5 Gallon header >tank. I want the Engine driven pump to pump into the header tank >constantly and overflow back into the selected tank. Of course I would >have an electric fuel pump as back-up. My plan of thought is with that >5 gallon header tank I will be able to keep that full all the time and >for whatever reason I run out of gas in the wing tanks I have my VFR >reserve already met with that header-tank. Justin +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Aircoupes have been flying since the 40's so who can argue. Just make sure your system does not allow you to accidently seclect the return to the full tank and pump one tank overboard. The only problem I've heard from "Coupe" drivers is when the pilot takes off with full fuel and doesn't realize his fuel pump isn't working and the engine quits about 45 minutes into the flight. I'm betting that would cause an immediate "deer in the headlights" look to appear on the pilots face. I'd suggest a "low fuel" warning system in the header tank that activates with about 4 gal remaining. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:08:50 -0500 From: "Harold Woods" To: Subject: KR>explosafe foam. Message-ID: <00b101c3b205$fe3e9240$08ee6418@HAROLD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 3 Hi Netters. I have read that aircraft should not use the aluminum mesh = anti-explosion material in their gas tank.The reason is that water will = adhere to the surface area of this material. As such it will not show up = in a drain sample. Pull a high G turn and the water on the foil in the = tank is shaken off into the bottom and on into the carb.The last thing = you need is a few litres of water suddenly appearing in your carb. What = have others heard about this matter? Harold Woods Orillia,ON.Can. haroldwoods@rogers.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.537 / Virus Database: 332 - Release Date: 11/6/2003From DanRH@alltel.net Sun Nov 23 15:19:47 2003 Received: from mta01.alltel.net ([166.102.165.143] helo=mta01-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AO3W7-000Gbj-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 15:19:47 -0800 Received: from Computer ([151.213.95.136]) by mta01-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20031123232526.NCMR11508.mta01-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:25:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3FC141ED.000008.02328@Computer> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:25:33 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" References: <001101c3b1e4$b9792510$47da1818@computer> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: "krnet@mylist.net" Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Fuel tank question. X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: If I were to build a third KR, or ever modify this one for wing tanks, I would put the header fuel to fill only the area over the shelf and would = put about 7 or 8 gal. in each wing, probably inboard, so save some complexity= , and it would be kept as far forward as possible, behind the front spar.=0D =0D The rest of the space under the forward deck, I would use for baggage. I saw something like this on Dean Selby's plane and think it the best way t= o go.=0D =0D This would not add much weight and would keep the CG as close to "in the right place" as possible.=0D =0D I seriously doubt that I would ever get to that point, but that is what I would do if the opportunity every comes upon me. =0D =0D PS: Some of you are leaving a lot of repetitive data in the replies. Thi= s makes searching the archives difficult.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From rwdw2002@yahoo.com Sun Nov 23 15:27:06 2003 Received: from web21207.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.175.165]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AO3dC-000Ggs-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 15:27:06 -0800 Message-ID: <20031123233245.51962.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.250.5.93] by web21207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 15:32:45 PST Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 15:32:45 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Wilson Subject: Re: KR>Plywood Listing To: KRnet In-Reply-To: <001f01c3b1e7$005fdcb0$47da1818@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Justin, It's your option to put any kind of plywood you wish on your project, but I am just curious as to why you keep looking for anything other than what is recommended in the plans? It seems to me that it would be a lot less headache and expense to buy what is called for and not have to always wonder if it's going to come apart or not. Rick Wilson. --- Justin wrote: > I was reading my Sport Aviation magazine (march > 2003) and found a listing in the back saying: > "Aircraft Plywood, GL2 Rated" Does that mean it is > certified for Aircraft use/ is ok for skinning the > boat? Here's the website, take a peak and let me > know guys. > http://www.boulterplywood.com/ > > Justin > N116JW > www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/Home > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ===== Rick Wilson, Haleyville, Alabama KR2-0200A -99% rwdw2002@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:38:29 -0700 From: "Bob Sauer" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>explosafe foam. Message-ID: <003701c3b21a$e61a8f60$a43a3818@ph.cox.net> References: <00b101c3b205$fe3e9240$08ee6418@HAROLD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Harold, I used a non-metallic material in my fuel tank and collecting water is not a factor. I cleared this with the mfgr before using it. Bob Sauer From: resauer@cox.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Woods" To: Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 2:08 PM Subject: KR>explosafe foam. Hi Netters. I have read that aircraft should not use the aluminum mesh anti-explosion material in their gas tank.The reason is that water will adhere to the surface area of this material. As such it will not show up in a drain sample. Pull a high G turn and the water on the foil in the tank is shaken off into the bottom and on into the carb.The last thing you need is a few litres of water suddenly appearing in your carb. What have others heard about this matter? Harold Woods Orillia,ON.Can. haroldwoods@rogers.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.537 / Virus Database: 332 - Release Date: 11/6/2003_______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:51:48 -0500 From: David Mullins To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Plywood Listing Message-ID: <3FC14814.4020603@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <001f01c3b1e7$005fdcb0$47da1818@computer> References: <001f01c3b1e7$005fdcb0$47da1818@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Justin, I have used the 1/8" 6 ply birch plywood GL-II from Finland. I purchased it from Harbor Sales in Maryland. The Last time I went by they stopped carrying it. Boulter Plywood has just started selling this plywood about 1 to 1.5 years ago. Boulter is about 1 hr drive from me in Boston. I did pick up some extra 1/4" from them when I needed some more. Another builder here is using it for his Corby Starlet. Dave Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire http://N323XL.iwarp.com Justin wrote: >I was reading my Sport Aviation magazine (march 2003) and found a >listing in the back saying: "Aircraft Plywood, GL2 Rated" Does that >mean it is certified for Aircraft use/ is ok for skinning the boat? >Here's the website, take a peak and let me know guys. >http://www.boulterplywood.com/ > >Justin >N116JW >www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/Home >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 20:16:04 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>KR name Message-ID: <20447700.1069636565268.JavaMail.root@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 Thanks to everyone that suggested a name for my KR. There were some real good ones, but nothing that exactly fit both her looks and her personality yet. I have been thinking Miss America, but that is way over used. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 20:28:43 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>secondary ignition Message-ID: <18000433.1069637328120.JavaMail.root@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 I just finished installing a Great Plains electronic secondary ignition. I was checking the RPM drop on each system when I realized that my Westach tach is triggered off of the mag so I have no tach on just the secondary. Great for letting me know if the mag just failed, but it presents a problem if I want to run on just the secondary. As far as not seeing the RPM drop to know if a plug is fouled, I am not worried. I know by experience that it is very obvious on the VW when you are running on three cylinders. I have heard from some people in the past that they only run on the electronic ignition when they are cruising and use the mag for starting, takeoff, and landing. I also know one person with a battery, but no alternator that uses the mag all the time, but the electronic only for takeoff and landing so it doesn't drain the battery. That makes sense, but when you have an alternator is there any good reason not to run them both all the time? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:16:20 -0600 From: "Justin" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>G load - tank question. Message-ID: <001301c3b220$30030df0$47da1818@computer> References: <20031123162752.45945.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> <001301c3b1e6$03f6b480$a43a3818@ph.cox.net> <3.0.6.32.20031123143944.00812100@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 The Coupe doesn't have an electrical fuel pump to back up the engine driven fuel pump either (I dont think they do atleast). Besides, if your engine driven fuel pump quits your engine would most likly quit also wouldn't it? Justin N116JW www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/Home ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 2:39 PM Subject: Re: KR>G load - tank question. > > > >For my fuel setup im thinking something along the lines like a > >Aircoupe. I > >want both wing tanks R & L and a small 5 Gallon header tank. I want > >the Engine driven pump to pump into the header tank constantly and > >overflow back > >into the selected tank. Of course I would have an electric fuel pump > >as back-up. My plan of thought is with that 5 gallon header tank I > >will be able > >to keep that full all the time and for whatever reason I run out of > >gas in > >the wing tanks I have my VFR reserve already met with that > >header-tank. Justin > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Aircoupes have been flying since the 40's so who can argue. Just make > sure your system does not allow you to accidently seclect the return > to the full tank and pump one tank overboard. > > The only problem I've heard from "Coupe" drivers is when the pilot > takes off with full fuel and doesn't realize his fuel pump isn't > working and the engine quits about 45 minutes into the flight. I'm > betting that would cause an immediate "deer in the headlights" look to > appear on the pilots face. I'd suggest a "low fuel" warning system in > the header tank that activates with about 4 gal remaining. > > > Larry Flesner > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:19:42 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>instruments and parts for sale Message-ID: <20458763.1069640382960.JavaMail.root@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 I am selling a few brand new Westach instruments. I got them while I was trying to diagnose an engine problem and while I was waiting for a custom quad gauge to be built. They were put in the plane for about three weeks until the new quad got here and were temporarily wired and sitting on my seat. They are still in the original boxes and have all of the original instructions and accessories unopened. Here is what I have: 2A2 EGT, 700-1,700 degrees, sender not included (sender is $26.95 at Aircraft Spruce) ACS P/N 2A2, ACS price $39.95, KRnet price $32.00 KA4-6 manifold pressure, 0-30 in/hg, complete with unopened fittings and unused hose ACS P/N K2A4-6. ACS price $39.95, KRnet price $32.00 2C5-56 air/fuel gauge, range 17/1 lean to 12/1 rich This gauge uses any standard automotive oxygen sensor and is much easier to lean with than an EGT. I love it and will never build another plane without an air/fuel ratio gauge. This is an automotive gauge and mount in a 2 1/16" hole from the front of the panel. Oxygen sensor not included. KRnet price $40.00. I also have a few other odds and ends left over. Great Plains Extreme duty oil pump I got this because I have a remote mounted filter and oil cooler and thought I would need the extra pressure. The pressure was to high on my setup so I went down to the severe duty pump. The price is $36.95 new. I have about 30 hours on it and will take $25.00. VW dual port heads, 92mm I ordered a new pair of heads drilled for the second spark plugs because I didn't want to wait two weeks for mine to be machined. Mine have about 130 hours on them. I would have them rebuilt before I used them again. Rocker arms not included. GP price $139.95/ea new, KRnet price $75.00 for the pair. VW custom length pushrod kit. This is a brand new unopened Scat chrome molley pushrod kit. I thought I would need it when I put on the new heads since my existing pushrods were too long, but I had another set already cut that were just the right length. I paid $40.00 at the local VW shop. KRnet price $30.00. VW pushrod tubes These are used and painted red. There are no cracks, but I can't guarantee that one won't crack when they are stretched to be installed again. KRnet price $10.00. Facet fuel pump P/N 40108, 12V, 4-6PSI This one has the AN 3/8" flared ends on it. It is essentially brand new. I was going to use it as a boost pump inline and turn it on for takeoffs and landings, but I didn't get enough flow through the pump to keep the engine running while the pump was off. It is a great transfer pump or a primary pump on an engine that needs a pump on all the time like with an Ellison carb. ACS P/N 40108, ACS price $28.60, KRnet price $20.00. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:20:21 -0600 From: "Justin" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Plywood Listing Message-ID: <002501c3b220$bf72b850$47da1818@computer> References: <001f01c3b1e7$005fdcb0$47da1818@computer> <3FC14814.4020603@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 The plans do NOT specify where to buy your wood. I was reading in an airplane magazine like I said that article. If you look at the website correctly you will see it says "Marine/Exterior Plywood" If im not mistaken but what other EAA members have told me, marine plywood will work just as good as avaition plywood. It is inspected and will not come apart with water, two things we need in our plywood. Justin N116JW www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/Home ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Mullins" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 5:51 PM Subject: Re: KR>Plywood Listing > Justin, > > I have used the 1/8" 6 ply birch plywood GL-II from Finland. I > purchased it > from Harbor Sales in Maryland. The Last time I went by they stopped > carrying it. Boulter Plywood has just started selling this plywood > about 1 to 1.5 years ago. Boulter is about 1 hr drive from me in > Boston. I did pick up some extra 1/4" from them when I needed some > more. > > Another builder here is using it for his Corby Starlet. > > Dave Mullins > Nashua, New Hampshire > http://N323XL.iwarp.com > > Justin wrote: > > >I was reading my Sport Aviation magazine (march 2003) and found a > >listing in the back saying: > >"Aircraft Plywood, GL2 Rated" Does that mean it is certified for > >Aircraft use/ is ok for skinning the boat? Here's the website, take a peak and let me know guys. > >http://www.boulterplywood.com/ > > > >Justin > >N116JW > >www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/Home > >_______________________________________________ > >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:42:53 EST From: FIXERJONES@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>G load - tank question. Message-ID: <122.289cf7e5.2cf2ca2d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 i fly a ercoupe,,the header tank has a wire fuel lever guage in the middle of the windshield (the header gas cap) to show the amount of fuel left to go. it gravity feeds the carb,, not fed by the fuel pump! the pump only feeds contunisoly fuel to the header tank untill both wing tanks are empty, the 2 wing tanks are piped together. its a great system that is safe & works well steve jones,N212KR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:46:57 -0600 From: "Mike Turner" To: "Brian Kraut" , "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>KR name Message-ID: References: <20447700.1069636565268.JavaMail.root@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 12 Larry, I named mine "The Miss Carolyn" after my wife, That way I can = justify the cost ha ha. One name I had considered since I'm in the gum = business was "Bubble Gum One" but that got rejected by Miss Carolyn. Mike Turner ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brian Kraut=20 To: krnet@mylist.net=20 Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 7:16 PM Subject: KR>KR name Thanks to everyone that suggested a name for my KR. There were some = real good ones, but nothing that exactly fit both her looks and her = personality yet. I have been thinking Miss America, but that is way = over used. _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 22:47:21 -0500 From: "Colin" To: Subject: KR>Ignition Message-ID: <004a01c3b23d$acd89490$f2452141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 13 Brian, If you are going to use 100LL especially, running both plugs will not = only give you a more complete burn, but will prevent lead fouling of the = second plugs. No matter how carefully you lean, you will still get = carbon deposits, and lead fouling on the second set if you don't keep = them burned off. You really are not saving anything, and you cause a = delay in the safety purpose of the second ignition system, since you = would nearly cutoff before switching the "backup" on. 2 plugs will = actually produce slightly more horsepower than one set. Look at the = Nissan 8plug 4 cylinder, and the Ford Ranger 2.3L 8plug 4cylinder, just = to name a couple. They found it to be beneficial. =20 Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html Sanford, Florida KR Gathering 2004-see ya in Mt VernonFrom rpmmouse@msn.com Sun Nov 23 19:44:39 2003 Received: from bay3-dav4.bay3.hotmail.com ([65.54.168.108] helo=hotmail.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AO7eR-000KA0-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 19:44:39 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 19:50:19 -0800 Received: from 67.26.35.246 by bay3-dav4.bay3.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 03:50:18 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.26.35.246] X-Originating-Email: [rpmmouse@msn.com] From: "roger mitchell" To: "Brian Kraut" , "KRnet" References: <20447700.1069636565268.JavaMail.root@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: KR>KR name Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:50:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:50:16 -0600 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Nov 2003 03:50:19.0057 (UTC) FILETIME=[140C4210:01C3B23E] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: MISS LIBERTY ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brian Kraut=20 To: krnet@mylist.net=20 Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 7:16 PM Subject: KR>KR name Thanks to everyone that suggested a name for my KR. There were some = real good ones, but nothing that exactly fit both her looks and her = personality yet. I have been thinking Miss America, but that is way = over used. _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:57:25 -0700 From: "Lee" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>G load - tank question. Message-ID: <000801c3b247$bdd45fe0$7c01a8c0@D3DF1Y11> References: <20031123162752.45945.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 I read some of the concerns about added fuel. Someone stated(last week I think) added fuel adds to the time in the cockpit. (small cockpit). I have been looking at options about added fuel. I have a dated KR with retracts. No room in the stub wing for added tanks. I have been looking at options of adding tanks in the outer wings. CG is a big part of my concern. My idea is to take an Aluminum tube 5 -6 inces in diameter and fit it into the void on the leading edge of the wing. I would like sone feed back from the group. Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ lee@vandyke5.com Subject: Re: KR>G load - tank question. > Justin, What plans are you reading? Mine for the KR2 > say to build the tank under the forward deck, if > additional tanks are wanted put them in the stub > wings. Rick Wilson. > --- Justin wrote: > > Speaking about outer wing tanks, whats the > > advantages and disadvantages of > > this. The plans say to put the fuel out there but I > > haven't seen any KR's > > with that setup. > > > > Justin > > N116JW > > Subject: KR>G load - tank question. > > > > > > > >I ask because I was wondering if the fuel tanks > > in the outboard wings > > > would be easier on the wafs than that extra load > > in the fusealge area. As > > > it is the wings holding up the fuselage. > > > >Steve McGee > > > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > That's the route I went because I knew my KR would > > be heavy and > > > I wanted to take some of the load off the WAF's. > > You must also > > > consider what moving the fuel rearward will do to > > your CG and > > > also to the handling qualities when you move up to > > maybe 150 > > > pounds from the fuselage and hang it out in the > > outer wing > > > panels. > > > > > > I did more taxi text today with the tail up! If I > > can't get the inspector > > > to schedule a visit real soon this thing is going > > to fly without me !! > > :-) > > > > > > Larry Flesner > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > see KRnet list details at > > http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at > http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > ===== > Rick Wilson, Haleyville, Alabama KR2-0200A -99% rwdw2002@yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:58:17 -0700 From: "Lee" To: Subject: KR>TANKS IN OUTER WINGS Message-ID: <000901c3b247$be0b4e60$7c01a8c0@D3DF1Y11> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 15 I read some of the concerns about added fuel. Someone stated(last week = I think) added fuel adds to the time in the cockpit. (small cockpit). I = have been looking at options about added fuel. I have a dated KR with = retracts. No room in the stub wing for added tanks. I have been looking at = options of adding tanks in the outer wings. CG is a big part of my concern. My = idea is to take an Aluminum tube 5 -6 inces in diameter and fit it into the = void on the leading edge of the wing. I would like sone feed back from the group. Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ lee@vandyke5.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 23:14:43 -0600 From: "roger mitchell" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>TANKS IN OUTER WINGS Message-ID: References: <000901c3b247$be0b4e60$7c01a8c0@D3DF1Y11> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 16 a 6" tube x 8" long is 1 gal ( 231 sq. in /gal ), I don't think you = could fit much in there , aft of spar may work better ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lee=20 To: krnet@mylist.net=20 Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:58 PM Subject: KR>TANKS IN OUTER WINGS Mesa AZ lee@vandyke5.com _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:24:49 -0800 From: "David Mikesell" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>TANKS IN OUTER WINGS Message-ID: <001701c3b24b$48a881c0$03fea8c0@davids> References: <000901c3b247$be0b4e60$7c01a8c0@D3DF1Y11> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 17 I did some calculations for tube tanks before and came to the conclusion that unless you can do a 11 to 12 in tube and it can be atleast 11 feet long you won't carry enough fuel to make any real difference. It takes atleast a 7 in diameter by 7 in length to make one gal...... David Mikesell 23957 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-609-8774 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee" To: Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 8:58 PM Subject: KR>TANKS IN OUTER WINGS I read some of the concerns about added fuel. Someone stated(last week I think) added fuel adds to the time in the cockpit. (small cockpit). I have been looking at options about added fuel. I have a dated KR with retracts. No room in the stub wing for added tanks. I have been looking at options of adding tanks in the outer wings. CG is a big part of my concern. My idea is to take an Aluminum tube 5 -6 inces in diameter and fit it into the void on the leading edge of the wing. I would like sone feed back from the group. Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ lee@vandyke5.com _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 02:12:10 EST From: Veeduber@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Ignition Message-ID: <93.364c8c7e.2cf3094a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18 In a message dated 11/23/03 7:48:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, crainey1@cfl.rr.com writes: > 2 plugs will actually produce slightly more horsepower than one set. > Look > at the Nissan 8plug 4 cylinder, and the Ford Ranger 2.3L 8plug 4cylinder, > just to name a couple. They found it to be beneficial. > ------------------------------------------------------- ...in a relatively high compression, water-cooled engine under lean-burn conditions that are only possible with computer-controlled fuel injection systems. Factors such as combustion chamber shape & volume, rpm, compression ratio, mixture ratio, fuel type, chamber surface temperature and spark intensity also play a role in determining if multiple points of ignition will be beneficial. -R.S.Hoover ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 02:27:26 -0500 From: Carlos Romero To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Ignition Message-ID: <3FC1B2DE.2040305@alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <93.364c8c7e.2cf3094a@aol.com> References: <93.364c8c7e.2cf3094a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 19 Hey check out your plain vanilla funwifty. if you have mag drop on run up then you know more power is made with dual ignition. CBRomero Veeduber@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 11/23/03 7:48:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, >crainey1@cfl.rr.com writes: > > > >>2 plugs will actually produce slightly more horsepower than one set. >>Look >>at the Nissan 8plug 4 cylinder, and the Ford Ranger 2.3L 8plug 4cylinder, >>just to name a couple. They found it to be beneficial. >> >> >> > >------------------------------------------------------- > >...in a relatively high compression, water-cooled engine under >lean-burn >conditions that are only possible with computer-controlled fuel injection systems. > >Factors such as combustion chamber shape & volume, rpm, compression >ratio, >mixture ratio, fuel type, chamber surface temperature and spark intensity also >play a role in determining if multiple points of ignition will be beneficial. > >-R.S.Hoover >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 00:06:33 -0600 From: "Justin" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>Tank Size/flying time Message-ID: <003d01c3b251$1c4820d0$47da1818@computer> References: <000901c3b247$be0b4e60$7c01a8c0@D3DF1Y11> <001701c3b24b$48a881c0$03fea8c0@davids> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 20 I understand the KR is uncomfortable but is it that much extra weight to make the wing tanks 10 gallons instead of 5 to give you that extra gas when your on your way to Oshkosh? It takes more time and gas to climb up to 10K for cruising than to just stay there longer. Pee in a cup. (My KR is the size of a C150 so i'll be roomy enough) Justin N116JW www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/Home ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Mikesell" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 11:24 PM Subject: Re: KR>TANKS IN OUTER WINGS > I did some calculations for tube tanks before and came to the > conclusion that unless you can do a 11 to 12 in tube and it can be > atleast 11 feet long > you won't carry enough fuel to make any real difference. It takes > atleast a > 7 in diameter by 7 in length to make one gal...... > > David Mikesell > 23957 N. Hwy 99 > Acampo, CA 95220 > 209-609-8774 > skyguynca@skyguynca.com > www.skyguynca.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lee" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 8:58 PM > Subject: KR>TANKS IN OUTER WINGS > > > I read some of the concerns about added fuel. Someone stated(last > week I > think) added fuel adds to the time in the cockpit. (small cockpit). I have > been looking at options about added fuel. I have a dated KR with retracts. > No room in the stub wing for added tanks. I have been looking at > options of > adding tanks in the outer wings. CG is a big part of my concern. My > idea is to take an Aluminum tube 5 -6 inces in diameter and fit it > into the void > on the leading edge of the wing. I would like sone feed back from the > group. > > Lee Van Dyke > Mesa AZ > lee@vandyke5.com > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 04:05:49 EST From: Veeduber@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Ignition Message-ID: <102.39665f33.2cf323ed@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 21 In a message dated 11/23/03 11:27:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, cbromero@alltel.net writes: > if you have mag drop on run > up then you know more power is made with dual ignition. > Assuming it isn't a timing problem. And what if you don't have a mag drop? What if you drop a couple of grand to install a dual ignition system and discover it doesn't run any better than before? Or perhaps even worse? You fly your race, I'll fly mine. -R.S.Hoover ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 04:31:12 -0500 From: Carlos Romero To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Ignition Message-ID: <3FC1CFE0.10106@alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <102.39665f33.2cf323ed@aol.com> References: <102.39665f33.2cf323ed@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 22 If you don't have the specified mag drop with a continental O200 on Cessna 150 don't go flying. There is a problem with that engine. Yes the mag drop can be manipulated by changing the timing but if the timing is set correctly you will see a rpm drop when running on one mag, either one, and more rpm on both. CBR Veeduber@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 11/23/03 11:27:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, >cbromero@alltel.net writes: > > > >>if you have mag drop on run >>up then you know more power is made with dual ignition. >> >> >> > >Assuming it isn't a timing problem. > >And what if you don't have a mag drop? > >What if you drop a couple of grand to install a dual ignition system and >discover it doesn't run any better than before? Or perhaps even worse? > >You fly your race, I'll fly mine. > >-R.S.Hoover >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 229, Issue 1 *************************************