From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 11:46 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 231, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Person Relief Tube (PRT) (Dana Overall) 2. RE: Marine plywood (Steven Lemke) 3. Corvair engines (Steve and Lori McGee) 4. Finishing KR 5. Re: Marine plywood (Justin) 6. Re: Diagonal Braces (Phil Matheson) 7. Re: Person Relief Tube (PRT) (Phil Matheson) 8. Justin's Inappropriate conduct (Scott Cable) 9. RE: Justin's Inappropriate conduct (Ron Freiberger) 10. RE: Diagonal Braces (Philip Maley) 11. RE:finishing (ace nunye) 12. The Proper Adhesive ? (David Mikesell) 13. local builders? (Dan Root) 14. Re: The Proper Adhesive ? (Scott Cable) 15. Re: local builders? (David Mikesell) 16. Re: The Proper Adhesive ? (David Mikesell) 17. Re: The Proper Adhesive ? (Rick Wilson) 18. RE: The Proper Adhesive ? (Wood, Sidney M.) 19. Re: Re: KR>The Proper Adhesive ? 20. West System and T-88 link in Falco Newsletter (Ameet Savant) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 22:00:43 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Person Relief Tube (PRT) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 >--- Phil Matheson wrote: > > I know a number glider pilots that have a PRT ( No > > 1) out the bottom of the > > aircraft, they eat and drink to their hearts > > content, and only land for a > > number 2. they can fly for 6 hours, depending on the weather. > I don't know for sure but I would like to watch someone get shoehorned out of a KR after 6 hours:-) I'm thinking soiled pants would be the least of the pilots troubles:-) Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Groove on the latest from the hot new rock groups! Get downloads, videos, and more here. http://special.msn.com/entertainment/wiredformusic.armx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:28:39 -0600 From: "Steven Lemke" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR>Marine plywood Message-ID: <001201c3b3cd$635b9600$0d830d44@dell> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Hey netters Though I would chime in on this one. I am using ocoume plywood to skin my plane. In fact I have already done it so there is no need to try to talk me out of it. I used 1/8" occume from eden saw and here are the reasons I used it. 1/8" panel is only slightly heavier than 3/32" mahogany and a whole lot lighter than birch 3/32". It cost about a tenth of the price than mahogany, I paid $12 a sheet. It is marine grade and used on custom racing boats. Since I am using 1/8" my fuse strength will fall inbetween 3/32 mahogany and birch. I am using this on the fuse and ribs but will use birch on the spar. I have absolutely have no doubt that my research into alternate plywood saved me big buck that did not compromise strength or quality. I am not one of those people who have used the phrase "if it aint broke don't fix it" I am more of a "It can always be made better and cheaper" And a message to Justin, you may want to tone it down a bit. I like your enthusiasm and willingness to look at new ideas and I have also looked at those ads in the back of kit plane. Have fun, go wild, and be safe. Steven Lemke Building on a beer budget Omaha, Ne slemke@cox.net -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+slemke=cox.net@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+slemke=cox.net@mylist.net] On Behalf Of DPurduski@CaldwellMfgCo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:37 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Marine plywood I really haven't tracked the grade of plywood used in the KR, but construction grade plywood prices change weekly. It would seem the few dollars saved with unproven materials wouldn't be worth the worry. "David Mikesell" To: "KRnet" Sent by: cc: krnet-bounces+dpurduski=caldwellmfgco.com Subject: Re: KR>Marine plywood @mylist.net 11/25/2003 12:41 PM Please respond to KRnet I also buy from Edensaw, great company and really good prices and discounts on shipping. David Mikesell 23957 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-609-8774 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy & Carol O'Brien" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:14 AM Subject: KR>Marine plywood > Netters, > > Dan Rhin's One Design plans call for Ocoume marine plywood! I've worked > with this plywood for nearly 20 years and it is wonderful material to work > with, although it does tend to dull your saw blades, etc., a little quicker > than other types of plywood. > > I currently have about 6 sheets of 1/8" Ocoume and a couple of sheets of > 1/16" Ocoume sitting in my shop waiting to be turned into Cygnet wings! > These panels are British certified and came frome Edensaw Woods in Port > Townsend, WA at 1/2 the price ACS lists it for. (Justin: try Spar lumber in > Long beach). > > Regards, > > Tracy O'Brien > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:52:27 -0600 From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: Subject: KR>Corvair engines Message-ID: <004a01c3b3d0$b56e73b0$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 3 Are you west coast builders ever fortunate. Lots of engine cores for = sale on e-bay cheap! Safe Flying to ya! Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. Building a KR2S widened. lmcgee@maqs.net=20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:07:42 -0500 (EST) From: To: Subject: KR>Finishing KR Message-ID: <3588.216.194.23.125.1069819662.squirrel@www.hsweb.net> In-Reply-To: <004a01c3b3d0$b56e73b0$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> References: <004a01c3b3d0$b56e73b0$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Netters, Few guys asked me to post again link to website about finishing composite airplane. So here it is: http://curedcomposites.netfirms.com/finish.html George george@hsweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:18:36 -0600 From: "Justin" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Marine plywood Message-ID: <001701c3b3dc$be95ef20$47da1818@computer> References: <001201c3b3cd$635b9600$0d830d44@dell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Steve, Did you do any tests on this plywood? If so what did you do and what were your results? When I was going to test my plywood i built a square out of duglas for both plywoods and then bend it and see whcih broke first, thats after the boil test. I never did that but would that be a good test? Your right, I do need to tone down but only if these PEOPLE would quit insulting me, "irritating" me especially when they are wrong in their trash talking. Justin N116JW www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/Home ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Lemke" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:28 PM Subject: RE: KR>Marine plywood > Hey netters > Though I would chime in on this one. I am using ocoume plywood to > skin my plane. In fact I have already done it so there is no need to > try to talk me out of it. I used 1/8" occume from eden saw and here > are the reasons I used it. 1/8" panel is only slightly heavier than > 3/32" mahogany and a whole lot lighter than birch 3/32". > > It cost about a tenth of the price than mahogany, I paid $12 a sheet. > > It is marine grade and used on custom racing boats. > > Since I am using 1/8" my fuse strength will fall inbetween 3/32 > mahogany and birch. > > I am using this on the fuse and ribs but will use birch on the spar. > > I have absolutely have no doubt that my research into alternate > plywood saved me big buck that did not compromise strength or quality. > > I am not one of those people who have used the phrase "if it aint broke > don't fix it" I am more of a "It can always be made better and > cheaper" > > And a message to Justin, you may want to tone it down a bit. I like > your enthusiasm and willingness to look at new ideas and I have also > looked at those ads in the back of kit plane. > > Have fun, go wild, and be safe. > > Steven Lemke > Building on a beer budget > Omaha, Ne > slemke@cox.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces+slemke=cox.net@mylist.net > [mailto:krnet-bounces+slemke=cox.net@mylist.net] On Behalf Of > DPurduski@CaldwellMfgCo.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:37 PM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR>Marine plywood > > > I really haven't tracked the grade of plywood used in the KR, but > construction grade plywood prices change weekly. It would seem the few > dollars saved with unproven materials wouldn't be worth the worry. > > > > > > > "David Mikesell" > > > To: "KRnet" > Sent by: > cc: > krnet-bounces+dpurduski=caldwellmfgco.com > Subject: Re: KR>Marine plywood > @mylist.net > > > > > > 11/25/2003 12:41 PM > > Please respond to KRnet > > > > > > > > > > I also buy from Edensaw, great company and really good prices and > discounts on shipping. > > David Mikesell > 23957 N. Hwy 99 > Acampo, CA 95220 > 209-609-8774 > skyguynca@skyguynca.com > www.skyguynca.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tracy & Carol O'Brien" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:14 AM > Subject: KR>Marine plywood > > > > Netters, > > > > Dan Rhin's One Design plans call for Ocoume marine plywood! I've > worked > > with this plywood for nearly 20 years and it is wonderful material > > to > work > > with, although it does tend to dull your saw blades, etc., a little > quicker > > than other types of plywood. > > > > I currently have about 6 sheets of 1/8" Ocoume and a couple of > > sheets > of > > 1/16" Ocoume sitting in my shop waiting to be turned into Cygnet > wings! > > These panels are British certified and came frome Edensaw Woods in > Port > > Townsend, WA at 1/2 the price ACS lists it for. (Justin: try Spar > lumber > in > > Long beach). > > > > Regards, > > > > Tracy O'Brien > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 22:58:51 +1100 From: "Phil Matheson" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Diagonal Braces Message-ID: <002001c3b414$bae1ed60$6396dccb@Office> References: <00ec01c3b3b6$fe960450$0301a8c0@wotech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 Very good question Phil. They are not shown on my drawings, but they are a not new by a long way. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( reserved) 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 23:10:31 +1100 From: "Phil Matheson" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Person Relief Tube (PRT) Message-ID: <004801c3b416$5c2bcb40$6396dccb@Office> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 Dana Very funny, and very true, but I was refuring to 6 hours + in a glider. (my poor back and bum ) rear end. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( reserved) 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 05:32:50 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: KRnet Subject: KR>Justin's Inappropriate conduct Message-ID: <20031126133250.63010.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <009f01c3b3bf$c27b6ce0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8 Mark & Net Admin; If memory serves, Justin has been warned about his language, eMail, and website content etc. before on numerous occasions. Personally, I'm sick of the bandwidth this subject of plywood is taking up. My question is how much as a community are we going to take? He's asked questions before, and suggested to go to his website, which was full of offensive material, and had absolutely nothing on his website pertaining to the question he had asked. My thoughts are is that this kid just enjoys offending people, and if that is his way of attracting attention to himself, fine. Let him get his "jollies" on someone else's bandwidth. PLEASE! --- Mark Jones wrote: > Justin, > Your language and attitude are not acceptable here > on the Net. You cool it or I personally will call the Net Administrator and ask that you be removed from our group. ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:26:45 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "KRnet" Subject: RE: KR>Justin's Inappropriate conduct Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031126133250.63010.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 This old curmudgeon says vote him off. Ron Freiberger mailto: r.freiberger@earthlink.net r dot freiberger.... get it? -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Scott Cable Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 8:33 AM To: KRnet Subject: KR>Justin's Inappropriate conduct ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 00:05:45 +0800 From: "Philip Maley" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR>Diagonal Braces Message-ID: <001f01c3b437$29ad9ab0$0301a8c0@wotech.net> In-Reply-To: <002001c3b414$bae1ed60$6396dccb@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 Hi Phil Looks like the diagonal bracing was introduced in the stretched fuselage in the KR2S. I spoke with a local KR2 owner here this evening and he said he put some extra plywood corner-bracing on the top of his KR2 boat but only because all the other joints had the plywood skin to help transfer loads. I will leave mine per the plans. Regards Phil Maley Perth Australia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:05:56 -0500 From: "ace nunye" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>RE:finishing Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11 When I first started mixing epoxy and micro I did it by hand but have since, then I made a handy lil thing to mix it. I took a cordless screw driver one of the small one's, its weak and turns very slow, I brazed a homemade mixing attatchment to one of the bits and it works great. The homemade part is sort of like a small auger thing. When it turns slowly it lifts the epoxy it also has a round bottom so it doesnt catch on the mixing container and when the micro is just right it comes of the auger easily. A good use for a cheap cordless screwdriver which was pretty much useless as a screw driver, one'a those gifts from mom ya cant throw away. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps [1]ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. References 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMBENCA/2752??PS= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:27:15 -0800 From: "David Mikesell" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>The Proper Adhesive ? Message-ID: <002001c3b43a$29544fc0$03fea8c0@davids> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 12 OK, I am sure this has been batted around several times. I know this is = a opinion thing to...but I have used T-88 on several wood projects but = has anyone used the West Epoxy System or another epoxy with good results = on wood, foam and fiberglass? I am trying to narrow it down to using = just one epoxy system to do the whole airplane instead of T-88 for the = wood and another system for the foam fibreglass. David Mikesell 23957 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-609-8774 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.comFrom s2cable1@yahoo.com Wed Nov 26 08:20:42 2003 Received: from web40802.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.78.179]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AP2PC-0001B8-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:20:42 -0800 Message-ID: <20031126162627.21922.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [130.76.64.17] by web40802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:26:27 PST Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:26:27 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: KR>Zenith carb To: Brian Kraut , KRnet In-Reply-To: <16759758.1069815556940.JavaMail.root@beaker.psp.pas.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Brian, You can expect the richer mixture when adding carb heat, and you would expect to have to lean the engine when you add carb heat. Yours sounds a little excessive, indicating a problem somewhere else. You should not experience large changes in mixture just by changing the throttle setting. That is the carbs job to maintain mixture settings due to a change in throttle postion. Either your jetting is WAY off, or you have a vaccum leak, or your carb bowl venting is somehow presurizing the float bowl, or you have too much fuel pressure. Has this carburator been overhauled or is it new? --- Brian Kraut wrote: > Since I have put in an air/fuel ratio gauge I have > noticed very wide changes in the air/fuel ratio at > different throttle settings and with small changes > in the amount of carb heat used. If I adjust the > mixture for a perfect 14.7/1 ratio at about 75% > power it will stay there, but increasing the > throttle just a few hundred RPM will peg the meter > at full lean and decreasing it to about 50% power > will peg it at full rich. Partial carb heat will > also peg it at full rich. > > I have determined that this has been the cause of my > engine problems all along. I have been needing > partial carb heat to keep the mixture from going to > lean at times at high power settings, and sometimes > I was getting a fouled plug and loosing a cylinder > after pulling the engine back to low power settings. > Anyone else had any similar problems with the > Zenith 1821 carb? Is it normal to have to fiddle > with the mixture every time you make a power change > with one? Is it just not a very good at keeping a > consistent mixture at different throttle settings or > is there something wrong with mine? Would having > the main mixture a little lean and the idle mixture > a little rich make as big a difference as I am > seeing in the 50-100% power throttle range? > > Signed, > All Mixed Up ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:59:52 -0800 From: Dan Root To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>local builders? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 13 Good day, all! I'm new to the list, a 100 hour pilot, and have some experience building in metal, but not much. I scrapped my first project, a moth-balled T2, at 90% 18 months ago, to make room in the garage. Does anyone nearby want to show off their KR2 or KR2s? Much of what I see, I like, so I'm very strongly considering taking over an abandoned project to complete and fly in my old age. I'm in the central valley of California, Manteca exactly, and would love to visit your hangar, to see a work in progress, and perhaps lend a hand for part of the day. I'd also like to take a ride in a completed KR2 or KR2s to get an idea of just how skittish it is in the air. Your potential passenger is 69 inches tall, and weighs 225. Anyone with some time, care to show off their pride and joy? I've got some time this weekend, but can come by almost any Saturday. Monterey, Fresno, Marysville, SF, Napa, and the Gold Country are about as far out as I'd like to drive right now. Anything further might require clearance from ground control. Come to think of it, I've got the club plane chartered for 12/5, and could visit you then if it's convenient. please replay direct to root1@llnl.gov -- Daniel E. Root ES&H Associate ES&H Team 4 X-36946 page 05421 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:14:05 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>The Proper Adhesive ? Message-ID: <20031126181405.62839.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <002001c3b43a$29544fc0$03fea8c0@davids> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14 David, I guess the best way to answer your question is this: You wouldn't use engine oil in your automatic transmission, or fill your engine crankcase with automatic transmission fluid. Right? Because the two applications have much different requirements, and operate in totally different environments. Likewise the wood that you are bonding together has much different requirements than that of the composite matrix. Composite resin matrix systems are designed for a specific combination of materials and environments (uses)that are completely different than the structural bonding requirements of spruce, birch or whatever wood that you are bonding together. Hense the need for a structural epoxy, and a laminating epoxy. Hope this helps --- David Mikesell wrote: > OK, I am sure this has been batted around several > times. I know this is a opinion thing to...but I > have used T-88 on several wood projects but has > anyone used the West Epoxy System or another epoxy > with good results on wood, foam and fiberglass? I am > trying to narrow it down to using just one epoxy > system to do the whole airplane instead of T-88 for > the wood and another system for the foam fibreglass. ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:16:31 -0800 From: "David Mikesell" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>local builders? Message-ID: <004701c3b449$6b58cd60$03fea8c0@davids> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15 Welcome Dan, what did you do with the mothballed T2? David Mikesell 23957 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-609-8774 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Root" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 9:59 AM Subject: KR>local builders? > Good day, all! > I'm new to the list, a 100 hour pilot, and have some experience > building in metal, but not much. I scrapped my first project, a > moth-balled T2, at 90% 18 months ago, to make room in the garage. > > Does anyone nearby want to show off their KR2 or KR2s? Much of what > I see, I like, so I'm very strongly considering taking over an > abandoned project to complete and fly in my old age. I'm in the > central valley of California, Manteca exactly, and would love to > visit your hangar, to see a work in progress, and perhaps lend a hand > for part of the day. I'd also like to take a ride in a completed KR2 > or KR2s to get an idea of just how skittish it is in the air. Your > potential passenger is 69 inches tall, and weighs 225. > > Anyone with some time, care to show off their pride and joy? I've got > some time this weekend, but can come by almost any Saturday. > Monterey, Fresno, Marysville, SF, Napa, and the Gold Country are > about as far out as I'd like to drive right now. Anything further > might require clearance from ground control. Come to think of it, > I've got the club plane chartered for 12/5, and could visit you then > if it's convenient. > > please replay direct to root1@llnl.gov > -- > Daniel E. Root > ES&H Associate > ES&H Team 4 > X-36946 > page 05421 > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:28:01 -0800 From: "David Mikesell" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>The Proper Adhesive ? Message-ID: <005501c3b44b$069b6520$03fea8c0@davids> References: <20031126181405.62839.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16 Thanks Scott, but as I understand that the West system is for bonding wood and for doing fiberglass? David Mikesell 23957 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-609-8774 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cable" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 10:14 AM Subject: Re: KR>The Proper Adhesive ? > David, > I guess the best way to answer your question is this: > You wouldn't use engine oil in your automatic > transmission, or fill your engine crankcase with > automatic transmission fluid. Right? Because the two applications > have much different requirements, and operate in totally different > environments. > Likewise the wood that you are bonding together has > much different requirements than that of the composite matrix. > Composite resin matrix systems are designed for a specific combination > of materials and environments (uses)that are completely different than > the structural bonding requirements of spruce, birch > or whatever wood that you are bonding together. > Hense the need for a structural epoxy, and a > laminating epoxy. > Hope this helps > --- David Mikesell wrote: > > OK, I am sure this has been batted around several > > times. I know this is a opinion thing to...but I > > have used T-88 on several wood projects but has > > anyone used the West Epoxy System or another epoxy > > with good results on wood, foam and fiberglass? I am > > trying to narrow it down to using just one epoxy > > system to do the whole airplane instead of T-88 for > > the wood and another system for the foam fibreglass. > > > ===== > Scott Cable > KR-2S # 735 > Wright City, MO > s2cable1@yahoo.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:28:38 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Wilson To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>The Proper Adhesive ? Message-ID: <20031126182838.69907.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20031126181405.62839.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 17 David, The T-88 is glue that is ised to bond wood together in the case of airplane building. The West system is epoxy that is used in laminating fiberglass. Rick Wilson. > --- David Mikesell wrote: > > OK, I am sure this has been batted around several > > times. I know this is a opinion thing to...but I > > have used T-88 on several wood projects but has > > anyone used the West Epoxy System or another epoxy > > with good results on wood, foam and fiberglass? I > am > > trying to narrow it down to using just one epoxy > > system to do the whole airplane instead of T-88 > for > > the wood and another system for the foam > fibreglass. > > > ===== > Scott Cable > KR-2S # 735 > Wright City, MO > s2cable1@yahoo.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ===== Rick Wilson, Haleyville, Alabama KR2-0200A -99% rwdw2002@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Message-ID: <20031126193456.MUIN1873.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 19 Maybe I'm missing something here but I've been making boats with West for 15 years and never had one come apart yet unless it hit something very hard, and then it ususlly breaks somewhere other than the west bond.I've also used it for cabinets exposed to wind and water constantly and only used paint for uv protrction. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:51:55 -0800 (PST) From: Ameet Savant To: krnet Subject: KR>West System and T-88 link in Falco Newsletter Message-ID: <20031126195155.40200.qmail@web20705.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 20 KRnet, Found this link on the West System epoxy. They mention T-88 at the end of the article. Read and draw your own conclusions. http://www.seqair.com/skunkworks/Glues/WestSystem/GoWest.html Ameet __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 231, Issue 1 *************************************