From: krnet-bounces+markl=hiwaay.net@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 8:42 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 238, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Forward Bulkhead Dimensions (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 2. Re: Layup Technique (Scott Cable) 3. Re: Layup Technique (Scott Cable) 4. Re: Windshield - vacume forming. (bill kirkland) 5. Re: Vacuum Source (gleone) 6. Re: Layup Technique (Les Criscillo) 7. Logos formed in (Steve and Lori McGee) 8. Re: Free supplies (Lee) 9. Re: New Owner Needs Help (Lee) 10. Vacuum Source (larry flesner) 11. Re: Vacuum Source 12. engine weights of 0200 engines (Ross Evans) 13. Re: Vacuum Source 14. Re: Free supplies 15. Re: Vacuum Source (gleone) 16. RE: Layup Technique (Wood, Sidney M.) 17. crosswinds and stalls (j stevens) 18. RE: Turtledeck was:Layup Technique (Scott Cable) 19. KR Wheel Fairings (Scott Cable) 20. Re: Vacuum Source-Wing Root (Scott Cable) 21. Re: crosswinds and stalls (larry severson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:49:30 -0500 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY To: krnet@mylist.net Cc: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Forward Bulkhead Dimensions Message-ID: <20031202.145943.4068.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 Someone made the fus square and saved a LOTT of sanding on the top and bottom longerons, Virg On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 05:25:14 +0000 rickcoy@comcast.net writes: > I recently acquired a KR-2 in the boat stage and am in the process of > checking all dimensions. The only discrepancy I've found so far is > that both the top and bottom of the forward bulkhead measure 34 1/4. > The plans (page 15, drawing 8) say that the top should be 34 1/4 and > the bottom should be 30. > > Does this present a problem? Is there any reason why the sides > should slope down in the front? > > Rick Coykendall > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:46:06 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Layup Technique Message-ID: <20031202214606.41376.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <00bf01c3b907$572ad3c0$0300a8c0@your1rnfg39627> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2 Keep Dan & Jerry's website in mind over the next couple of days, I'm planning on sending more photos to add to D&J's website --- Les Criscillo wrote: > Did you take any pictures Scott? Sounds like an > interesting technique. So there's no foam in your > core, only fiberglass cloth and resin? > > Les Criscillo > Tampa, FL > > Lcriscil@tampabay.rr.com > http://groups.msn.com/LesLifeandfriends/homepage > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott Cable > To: krnet@mylist.net > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:25 > Subject: KR>Layup Technique > > > Netters, > Over the Thanksgiving Holiday, I started doing the > layups for the forward and Turtledeck. I made a > foam > layup tool that is the outside shape of the > turtledeck. > Prior to doing the layup, My wife suggested that I > use > Frost King window film. This is the stuff that > you > can tape around the perimeter of a window, and > then > use a hairdryer to shrink the clear film taut > around > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:55:06 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Layup Technique Message-ID: <20031202215506.12083.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20031202214606.41376.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3 I was told by a weight engineer at work that foam was heavy. ???? So hense the hat stiffened turtledeck and forward deck. No Foam, only cloth and resin. It gets it's (I)stiffness from the section (hat section). However, I reserve the right to change my mind and add foam later. > --- Les Criscillo wrote: > > So there's no foam in your > > core, only fiberglass cloth and resin? > > > > Les Criscillo > > Tampa, FL > > > > Lcriscil@tampabay.rr.com > > http://groups.msn.com/LesLifeandfriends/homepage > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Scott Cable > > To: krnet@mylist.net > > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:25 > > Subject: KR>Layup Technique > > > > > > Netters, > > Over the Thanksgiving Holiday, I started doing > the > > layups for the forward and Turtledeck. I made a > > foam > > layup tool that is the outside shape of the > > turtledeck. > > Prior to doing the layup, My wife suggested that > I > > use > > Frost King window film. This is the stuff that > > you > > can tape around the perimeter of a window, and > > then > > use a hairdryer to shrink the clear film taut > > around > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at > http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > ===== > Scott Cable > KR-2S # 735 > Wright City, MO > s2cable1@yahoo.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:58:27 -0500 From: "bill kirkland" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Windshield - vacume forming. Message-ID: <002301c3b91f$6b9d46e0$02488a3f@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> References: <007d01c3b8f2$45672590$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Steve; Standing by! show us how. W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND wkirkland@rogers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:35 AM Subject: KR>Windshield - vacume forming. Below is a reply I sent to Dan Heath on a question of his. In thinking this over I have determined that this is the best way that I have of giving of my experience to the group that has and will help me over the next few years with things I have no clue about. I will make up a prototype in miniature of a female mold and framework and do this, taking pictures for a web site. Now true I have not gotten to this stage myself and have not made my own canopy yet. ( Yes I am sticking my neck on the block here but wait) This is the type of work I have been in for 17 years. If I can not figure out a reasonable way to do it easily - I would like to say we are all doomed to buy them. If all goes well, besides the web page I will bring the equipment to the next gathering in Mt. Vernon and do a demonstration if there is enough interest. Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. USA Building a KR2S widened. lmcgee@maqs.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve and Lori McGee To: KRBuilder Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:13 AM Subject: Re: windshield Okay wait - I am a little confused in the writing. So when you had the plastic on the mold and let it drape, there was no visual deformations. ( but if I remember right you had problems with cracking later? I believe this is from the plastic being stressed at its earliest possible bending point and not truly bagging.) But now you are heating the plastic on flat sheet of steel and picking it up hot? This might be where the problem is or part of it. You may be stretching the plastic in ununiformed ways when handling. ( I can not believe this is what Todd is doing, this is his bread and butter, you think he is going to tell you exactly?) Now what I intend to do is vacume form the plastic. This can be done with a male or female mold but is easier at home with a female, as you would not have to suspend the mold in the air some how, but can build it to sit on the ground. For a look at the type of work I am in, go to this website and watch the steps to the forming at the lower right. Very sophisticated and not exactly what I am going to try as it is using a plug and forming a female upwards. http://thermoforms.com/forming.html Notice what these are made out of. http://thermoforms.com/gallery/mannequins.html Okay - visualize a rectangle picture frame large enough to hold the plastic and fit around your mold. Heat the plastic so it bags naturally from its own weight. If you want to use a MALE mold, you will bring the mold into the plastic from the top, trying not to stretch it much. ( but you do not want the bag so big, that it is hard to conform to the mold) The mold will have to have a frame built around it to match the picture frame, but about a 1/4 inch smaller all around. ( It should just touch the plastic and make a seal) Also a vacume box is built at the base of the mold to hook up a simple shop vac. ( not too powerful now) ( I know this sounds like a lot but is not!) You will need a small drill bit, 1/16 might work but 3/64 or even 1/32 would be better. Now you drill lots of holes in your mold into the vacume box and that is how the plastic is formed into or against the tool with the shop vac. Now hold on, what about the holes? will they suck plastic in and be visible? What if they are under the felt? Now we do not form clear parts where I work but I know that we heat up plastic and form to an aluminum mold and wood molds with no problems of the plastic going into the holes or even being visible in the part UNLESS the plastic is too hot and the vacume is too high! So I may try this without even using felt, or by putting the vacume holes where it will not matter if it does leave marks. Realistically this type of part should be done with a female mold. It would be SO much easier. In fact I should try and make one of these up in miniature, take pictures and let someone throw a web page together. I plan on being down your way in May. Maybe I can stop in. Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. USA Building a KR2S widened. lmcgee@maqs.net _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:09:45 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "gleone" To: Subject: Re: KR>Vacuum Source Message-ID: <3FCD0DA9.000001.02232@bce-p949w4at3vz> References: <20031202182831.6457.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 5 I found a site where one fellow built his venturi into the wing root. I= t makes for an extremely neat installation. Now, if I can find the picture= s, I'll send them to you but it may be a while. If this jogs anyone else's memory, and you have those same picts, please feel free to contact Scott.= =0D =0D Gene, Worland, Wyoming=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet=0D Date: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:29:52 AM=0D To: krnet@mylist.net=0D Subject: KR>Vacuum Source=0D =0D Netters,=0D I'm looking for a cleaner way of mounting a 4 in=0D vacuum venturi. It appears that Steve Jones' setup is=0D effective, as far as providing ample vacuum, but I=0D think there's gotta be a cleaner way to do this.=0D Has anyone placed the venturi inside the cowl and=0D provided an inlet and exhaust for it?=0D Inside the cowl would provide several advantages:=0D 1.) Less drag=0D 2.) Less prone to icing=0D 3.) Ram air from prop would provide vacuum signal=0D sooner?=0D =0D Could a vacuum pan set-up provide enough vacuum to run=0D vacuum powered instruments? A Smog check valve is=0D placed perpendicular to the exhaust flow, with the=0D check valve opening facing downstream. This provides=0D enough vacuum to evacuate the crankcase of fumes,=0D enough power to run instruments?=0D =0D If both of these systems were plumbed, would it have=0D enough redundancy to use with out electrical=0D instrument back-up?=0D What are other KR's that flying (or close to it)using?=0D =0D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0D Scott Cable=0D KR-2S # 735=0D Wright City, MO=0D s2cable1@yahoo.com=0D =0D __________________________________=0D Do you Yahoo!?=0D Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now=0D http://companion.yahoo.com/=0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =0D =2E ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:50:55 -0500 From: "Les Criscillo" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Layup Technique Message-ID: <017c01c3b926$c61ed0f0$0300a8c0@your1rnfg39627> References: <20031202215506.12083.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 6 Take a look at this site. See if it makes any sense.=20 http://www.netcomposites.com/education.asp?sequence=3D46 It's an article on how the foam core adds to the strength of the lay-up = while saving weight.=20 Les Criscillo Tampa, FL Lcriscil@tampabay.rr.com http://groups.msn.com/LesLifeandfriends/homepage ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Scott Cable=20 To: KRnet=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 16:55 Subject: Re: KR>Layup Technique I was told by a weight engineer at work that foam was heavy. ???? So hense the hat stiffened turtledeck and forward deck. No Foam, only cloth and resin. It gets it's (I)stiffness from the section (hat section). However, I reserve the right to change my mind and add foam later. > --- Les Criscillo wrote: > > So there's no foam in your > > core, only fiberglass cloth and resin? > >=20 > > Les Criscillo > > Tampa, FL > >=20 > > Lcriscil@tampabay.rr.com > > http://groups.msn.com/LesLifeandfriends/homepage > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: Scott Cable=20 > > To: krnet@mylist.net=20 > > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:25 > > Subject: KR>Layup Technique > >=20 > >=20 > > Netters, > > Over the Thanksgiving Holiday, I started doing > the > > layups for the forward and Turtledeck. I made a > > foam > > layup tool that is the outside shape of the > > turtledeck. > > Prior to doing the layup, My wife suggested that > I > > use > > Frost King window film. This is the stuff that > > you > > can tape around the perimeter of a window, and > > then > > use a hairdryer to shrink the clear film taut > > around > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at > http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html >=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Scott Cable > KR-2S # 735 > Wright City, MO > s2cable1@yahoo.com >=20 > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.htmlFrom DanRH@alltel.net Tue Dec 02 16:34:39 2003 Received: from mta01.alltel.net ([166.102.165.143] helo=mta01-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1ARKyV-000Jis-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 16:34:39 -0800 Received: from Computer ([151.213.95.136]) by mta01-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20031203002228.MXEJ11508.mta01-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:22:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3FCD2CCE.000007.00796@Computer> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:22:38 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: 3.0 X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: "krnet@mylist.net" Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Clarification X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: RE: But now you are heating the plastic on flat sheet of steel and picking it up hot? This might be where the problem is or part of it. Yo= u may be stretching the plastic in ununiformed ways when handling. ( I can not believe this is what Todd is doing, this is his bread and butter, you think he is going to tell you exactly?) =0D =0D I must not have explained this very clearly.=0D =0D Todd did not tell me that is what he is doing. I described the way I was doing it, drape forming, and the way Marty told me he did, laying it on, = and asked him which way he thought was best and the told me Marty's would probably be best.=0D =0D He does not do anything like this. He makes only bubbles with a totally different process that I have no way of reproducing.=0D =0D He has been very helpful and is trying to help me find an answer to my continuing problem.=0D =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From lmcgee@maqs.net Tue Dec 02 16:56:46 2003 Received: from diamond.maqs.net ([66.187.32.14]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1ARLJu-000K10-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 16:56:46 -0800 Received: from lori8v5h2xi9m3 (oxfo-pvc-133-39.dsl.maqs.net [66.187.41.37]) by diamond.maqs.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 04D96DB167 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:44:36 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004201c3b936$ac80a370$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: "KRnet" References: <3FCD2CCE.000007.00796@Computer> Subject: Re: KR>Clarification - canopy forming Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:44:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Ok no problem. I meant nothing sarcastic or to annoy anyone. Especially the benefits of a bussiness such as Todd's giving us options other than a stock KR canopy. Warm fuzzies all around for everyone! But as a bonus in being able to form your own canopy: Formed in LOGOS ! KR2SW in a lower driver corner. EXPERIMENTAL along each side. Lower of course than you would be looking thru. Any 3 dimensional design you could possibly want. Formed in naca duct? How about forming in the cut marks and ledges if it were to be for a gull wing. Wooaa I bet the minds are racing now! Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. USA Building a KR2S widened. lmcgee@maqs.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:52:45 -0600 From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: Subject: KR>Logos formed in Message-ID: <005901c3b937$c3f6d820$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 7 On second thought I suppose that would be extra drag if it was too much = writing or whatever. But cut lines could easily be done. Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. USA Building a KR2S widened. lmcgee@maqs.net=20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:11:33 -0700 From: "Lee" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Free supplies Message-ID: <000b01c3b93a$65e230b0$6401a8c0@D3DF1Y11> References: <20031201015303.65695.qmail@web21206.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Who was the lucky person from PHX to bennifit from this deal??? By the time i contacted John all of the items were gone. Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ lee@vandyke5.com > > I have lost my medical and have several items to > > give away to any interested party. These include > > unopened Diehl gear, 5 gal. fresh Aeropoxy, pullies > > and cables, some spruce and plywood, sheet aluminum. > > Etc. Free to any one who wants to pick it all up. > > John Standifer, Tucson AZ. 520-733-3152 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:16:57 -0700 From: "Lee" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>New Owner Needs Help Message-ID: <003d01c3b93b$26eab1b0$6401a8c0@D3DF1Y11> References: <009001c3b8f0$2d5828c0$8d7ba8c0@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 let the rest of us know about those photos if you can remember. Sounds like a good idea. Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ lee@vandyke5.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth B. Jones" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:20 AM Subject: KR>New Owner Needs Help I recently purchased a well worn KR-2. No plans included. If anyone has an extra set of KR-2 plans and or manual, I would like to purchase. Also, I would like to get a ride in a KR-2. (I need sensitivity training.) Anyone located near southwestern Ohio? Please contact off line. Thanks, Ken Sharonville, OH 45241 Mobile: 513-604-3273 Email: kenbjones@cinci.rr.com_______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:14:04 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>Vacuum Source Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031202191404.007e3b90@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <20031202182831.6457.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10 >Netters, >I'm looking for a cleaner way of mounting a 4 in >vacuum venturi. >Scott Cable +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= I'm looking for a vacuum source also. I removed the vacuum pump and complete system from my 0-200 to cut down some weight. I have an elect T&B and was hoping for an elect AH but the price is out of sight. I'm looking to settle for a vacuum AH (I had one and sold it) if I can get a vacuum source other then a large round venturi hanging on the fuselage. I had considered mounting one in the cowling but I have no room. I've been wondering about building a rectangluar venturi and mounting it on the belly. Something like maybe one inch thick and 5 or 6 inches wide with venturi shape inside. It seems like that would be a lot more aerodynamic if it would work. Do we have any engineers on the net that could give me some dimensions and a hand drawing or something on what point to pick up the vacuum? I had also considered building something that looks like 1/2 a round venturi and mounting it directly on the fuselage. I suspect to work properly the venturi may have to be spaced out from it's mount in "clean" air. I haven't the slightest idea at this point. Help or suggestions anyone? Larry Flesner Carterville, Illinois ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:58:51 EST From: FIXERJONES@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Vacuum Source Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 hey scott,,the prop blast does provide almost ample vac volumn for the DG,but a far cry from supplying enough vac for the artifical horizon. the venturi supplies too much vac (9 inches) at speed. you must use a vac regulator to get 4.5-5.5 inches. too much vac will burn out gyro berings quickly! if anyone figures out how to elimniate that ugly,draging thing,,let me know. untill then,it gets the job done. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:08:25 +1000 From: "Ross Evans" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>engine weights of 0200 engines Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 12 HI I have an engine mount for an 0200 engine and I am putting a type 4 vw with fuel injection and reduction drive I would like to know what an 0200 weighs and any differences in weights between models(marks) and what different lengths mounts have been used on other kr2S's My mouunt is 290mm and has a nose wheel. Also what fuel consumptions and speeds are being acheived with 100hp. cheers Ross Evans Brisbane, Austrailia flykr2@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Protect your inbox from harmful viruses with new ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 00:03:41 EST From: JSMONDAY@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Vacuum Source Message-ID: <11f.286124a7.2cfec8ad@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 If you find the pictures of the venturi in the wing root... please e-mail them to me also!!! Thanks John S. Monday KR2S Laguna Beach, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 01:03:03 EST From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Free supplies Message-ID: <14c.27a2e57a.2cfed697@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 14 Lee, It was me, Chris Theroux, Gilbert, AZ Who was the lucky person from PHX to bennifit from this deal???=A0 By the ti= me i contacted John all of the items were gone. Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ lee@vandyke5.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 23:38:41 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "gleone" To: Subject: Re: KR>Vacuum Source Message-ID: <3FCD84F1.000006.02748@bce-p949w4at3vz> References: <11f.286124a7.2cfec8ad@aol.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 15 Hah! I knew I wasn't going completely senile! (I've seen d' Nile severa= l times!) I found the link! The pictures aren't the best but the article goes through it step by step. =0D =0D http://kr.abshier.org/newsletters/nl50.html=0D =0D Enjoy!=0D =0D Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet=0D Date: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:03:56 PM=0D To: krnet@mylist.net=0D Subject: Re: KR>Vacuum Source=0D =0D If you find the pictures of the venturi in the wing root... please e-mail= =0D them to me also!!!=0D =0D Thanks=0D John S. Monday=0D KR2S=0D Laguna Beach, CA=0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =0D =2E ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 07:49:06 -0500 From: "Wood, Sidney M." 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06:53:50 -0600 From: "j stevens" To: "krlist" Subject: KR>crosswinds and stalls Message-ID: <001101c3b99c$80f51d10$ecd3fea9@CPQ28121814422> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 17 Hi can anyone tell me what the demonstrated crosswind componant is on = the KR2? Also what can I expect for stall warning and tendancy to stall = spin? Thanks Joel first solo in KR2 12-2-03 ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 06:22:12 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR>Turtledeck was:Layup Technique Message-ID: <20031203142212.24771.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 18 Talked to the Aero Guy yesterday at work, and showed him my Turtledeck Pictures. He agreed with the way I had built and shaped my Turtledeck (sorta like a Lancair). After looking at it for awile said that it should be more than adequate for the application. In fact suggested that I could save more weight by reducing the number of hat stiffeners. I'm sticking to my plan. --- "Wood, Sidney M." wrote: > My turtledeck and forward deck have the same > construction with no foam core. ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 06:50:11 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: "Wood, Sidney M." Cc: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>KR Wheel Fairings Message-ID: <20031203145011.6507.qmail@web40803.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 19 Netters and Sid: Recieved my Wheel Pants from Sid Wood yesterday. Sid, They're absolutely georgeous! The workmanship is outstanding! I cannot wait to install them on my KR! In the meantime, they have found a comfortable home under the Christmas tree! Sid even provided installation instructions with the pants. Seems like a pretty straight forward process. I've included Sid's eMail address for those of you who might be interested in purchasing a set for your project: smwood@titan.com ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 07:44:17 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Vacuum Source-Wing Root Message-ID: <20031203154417.15978.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3FCD84F1.000006.02748@bce-p949w4at3vz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 20 Thanks Gene! Crowds the cockpit though right? --- gleone wrote: > http://kr.abshier.org/newsletters/nl50.html ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 08:28:13 -0800 From: larry severson To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>crosswinds and stalls Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20031203082351.02498c68@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <001101c3b99c$80f51d10$ecd3fea9@CPQ28121814422> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 21 >Hi can anyone tell me what the demonstrated crosswind componant is on the >KR2? Also what can I expect for stall warning and tendancy to stall spin? With the small tail, it probably has a relatively small cross wind capability. The tapered wing of the KR2 will stall at the tips, though the washout up wing reduces this somewhat; however, the 6 ft. aileron that goes to the stub will give the KR2 the best spin recovery / prevention of any of the planes flying. It should be difficult to get deep enough into the stall to blank the aileron effectiveness. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 238, Issue 1 *************************************