From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 241, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. 2003 KR Gathering Funds (gpasc) 2. Re: 2003 KR Gathering Funds (Ron Eason) 3. Dual Control Stick Spacing 4. Re: Dual Control Stick Spacing (Les Criscillo) 5. Re: 2003 KR Gathering Funds (Dan Heath) 6. Re: Dual Control Stick Spacing 7. RE: Dual Control Stick Spacing (Dan Heath) 8. Re: 2003 KR Gathering Funds (Scott Cable) 9. Re: Dual Control Stick Spacing (Dan Heath) 10. Re: 2003 KR Gathering Funds (Dana Overall) 11. Re: H/S spars strenght (Phillip Matheson) 12. Re: H/S spars strenght (larry flesner) 13. Re: Dual Control Stick Spacing (larry severson) 14. Re: H/S spars strenght (B. Wunder) 15. Re: H/S spars strenght (larry severson) 16. Re: H/S spars strenght (Dean Cooper) 17. Re: H/S spars strenght (alphabravo pilot) 18. RE: Lucite (Rick Wilson) 19. engine and PSRU for sale (Rick Wilson) 20. mailing list subscriptions (Mark Langford) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:52:13 -0500 From: gpasc To: Subject: KR>2003 KR Gathering Funds Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 To all: The bills have all been paid for the 2003 KR Gathering in Red Oak, Iowa. I have posted the financials here: http://www.greatplainsas.com/2003funds.html If you have any questions, please send me a separate email. I will be forwarding a check to Larry Flesner for $1864.75 for the 2004 Gathering in Mt. Vernon, IL. A NOTE: We started the fund in 2002 with only $500! The average cost of the Gathering is about $3000 (tshirts/BBQ/beverages/beer/awards/etc.). Linda Bennett 2002 & 2003 Sec/Treas ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:21:05 -0600 From: "Ron Eason" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>2003 KR Gathering Funds Message-ID: <010f01c3bb6d$4fde8b80$6501a8c0@Administration> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Thank you Linda for all your work, honestly! I believe you all did a great job, the best ever. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:27:13 EST From: JSMONDAY@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Dual Control Stick Spacing Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Does anyone know what the distance between the two control sticks if you are using two control sticks? Is it published anywhere? I need some input!!! Thanks, John S. Monday KR2S Laguna Beach, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:32:06 -0500 From: "Les Criscillo" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Dual Control Stick Spacing Message-ID: <002101c3bb77$4212da60$0300a8c0@your1rnfg39627> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 I sat in my seats, and marked on the forward spar where I wanted the = stick in both the pilot and the passengers position. I built my control = on a removable panel to facilitate installation and maintanance. Just = make sure you have room for maximal control inputs. Les Criscillo Tampa, FL Lcriscil@tampabay.rr.com http://groups.msn.com/LesLifeandfriends/homepage ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JSMONDAY@aol.com=20 To: krnet@mylist.net=20 Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 16:27 Subject: KR>Dual Control Stick Spacing Does anyone know what the distance between the two control sticks if = you are=20 using two control sticks? Is it published anywhere? I need some = input!!! =20 Thanks, John S. Monday KR2S Laguna Beach, CA _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.htmlFrom r.freiberger@earthlink.net Fri Dec 05 13:56:08 2003 Received: from grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.46]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1ASNvk-0000T0-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:56:08 -0800 Received: from dialup-67.29.207.221.dial1.cincinnati1.level3.net ([67.29.207.221] helo=zippersystems) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ASNk5-0003sw-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:44:05 -0800 From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "KRnet" Subject: RE: KR>Dual Control Stick Spacing Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:43:59 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: r.freiberger@earthlink.net, KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: One is better. Sit between them with two, or sit in the middle when you're alone. Yet another opinion... ;o) Ron Freiberger mailto: r.freiberger at earthlink.net r dot freiberger.... get it? -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of JSMONDAY@aol.com Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 4:27 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Dual Control Stick Spacing Does anyone know what the distance between the two control sticks if you are using two control sticks? Is it published anywhere? I need some input!!! Thanks, John S. Monday KR2S Laguna Beach, CA _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:54:10 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>2003 KR Gathering Funds Message-ID: <3FD0FE82.00001E.03576@Computer> References: Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 5 Linda,=0D =0D Thanks for two great gatherings and for pointing out the beer for me at t= he last one. You would think that I could sniff it out.=0D =0D It seems that the gatherings just about break even and eventually there should be enough money in the pot so no one will have to go "out of pocke= t" to put one on.=0D =0D Great job and we will see yous guys in Mt. Vernon. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From myoukey@cox.net Fri Dec 05 14:12:45 2003 Received: from lakemtao05.cox.net ([68.1.17.116]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1ASOBo-000123-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 14:12:44 -0800 Received: from blah ([68.12.120.167]) by lakemtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20031205220039.SGYQ29834.lakemtao05.cox.net@blah>; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:00:39 -0500 Message-ID: <011101c3bb7b$39b3c4c0$6400a8c0@blah> From: "Mark Youkey" To: , "KRnet" References: Subject: Re: KR>Dual Control Stick Spacing Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:00:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: > One is better. Sit between them with two, or sit in the middle when you're > alone. > > Yet another opinion... ;o) > That sounds like a great idea...something that didn't cross my mind. I just figured you sit on the left all the time. So it brings up the question of what to do with your feet then. If you do that, how does your rudder pedal situation work? Do you have a removable/movable assembly or something? Or do you just spread your legs out? Has anyone done that? v/r Mark Youkey myoukey@cox.net Oklahoma City ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:03:42 EST From: JSMONDAY@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Dual Control Stick Spacing Message-ID: <14d.27a9d832.2d025abe@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 I am going to put a duplicate set of mastercylinders on the other rudder pedals..... going trigear and don't want to not have ground control if I am in the right seat!!! Any dimensions of the distance between sticks yet!!! John Monday KR2S Laguna Beach, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:04:22 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: RE: KR>Dual Control Stick Spacing Message-ID: <3FD100E6.000024.03576@Computer> References: Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 7 RE: One is better. Sit between them with two, or sit in the middle =0D =0D Ron, I don't like to be dis-agreeable, but I must disagree. I flew my fi= rst KR with a center stick and it was the biggest complaint that I had with t= he plane. Beside that, it will be a little difficult to sit on the elevator cables or push tube or hump that protects it.=0D =0D One of the requirements for this KR is dual stick, and it has them.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From DanRH@alltel.net Fri Dec 05 14:22:57 2003 Received: from mta02.alltel.net ([166.102.165.144] helo=mta02-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1ASOLh-0001Mo-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 14:22:57 -0800 Received: from Computer ([151.213.95.136]) by mta02-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20031205221055.LVTP15697.mta02-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:10:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3FD10271.000026.03576@Computer> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:10:57 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" References: <14d.27a9d832.2d025abe@aol.com> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>Dual Control Stick Spacing Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: I will get you the measurement tomorrow. Why would you sit in the right seat? And you rarely need brakes. When the tail is down, this plane goe= s where you point it.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From JSMONDAY@aol.com Fri Dec 05 14:26:28 2003 Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.38]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1ASOP6-0001XV-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 14:26:28 -0800 Received: from JSMONDAY@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id g.39.41884449 (3964) for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:14:18 -0500 (EST) From: JSMONDAY@aol.com Message-ID: <39.41884449.2d025d3a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:14:18 EST Subject: Re: KR>Dual Control Stick Spacing To: krnet@mylist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: I would assume that would be if you were talking about a tail dragger. Mine will be fixed Tricycle gear, nose wheel has no steering capabilities. I will get you the measurement tomorrow. Why would you sit in the right seat? And you rarely need brakes. When the tail is down, this plane goes where you point it. N64KR Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:18:38 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>2003 KR Gathering Funds Message-ID: <20031205221838.79903.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3FD0FE82.00001E.03576@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8 I'll second that, Thanks-so-much Linda for an outstanding effort. --- Dan Heath wrote: > Linda, > > Thanks for two great gatherings and for pointing out > the beer for me at the > last one. You would think that I could sniff it > out. > > It seems that the gatherings just about break even > and eventually there > should be enough money in the pot so no one will > have to go "out of pocket" > to put one on. ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:23:05 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>Dual Control Stick Spacing Message-ID: <3FD10549.000028.03576@Computer> References: <39.41884449.2d025d3a@aol.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 9 John,=0D =0D For you, I went out in the cold and measured 16" center to center. =0D =0D Plans are posted at http://kr-builder.org/ElevatorControl/index.html=0D =0D Mark's are posted at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kcontrol.html=0D =0D That should take care of it.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From JSMONDAY@aol.com Fri Dec 05 14:50:48 2003 Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.36]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1ASOme-0002Eg-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 14:50:48 -0800 Received: from JSMONDAY@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id g.b6.25cb8c9a (3964) for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:38:44 -0500 (EST) From: JSMONDAY@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:38:43 EST Subject: Re: KR>Dual Control Stick Spacing To: krnet@mylist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Thanks!!! didn't mean for you to have to go out in the cold to measure it.. checked on Marks site and he had lots of great pictures (not near as detailed as yours) but no dimensions. Thanks for your drawings, they will be more than helpful!!! and all your help John Monday KR2S Laguna Beach John, For you, I went out in the cold and measured 16" center to center. Plans are posted at http://kr-builder.org/ElevatorControl/index.html Mark's are posted at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kcontrol.html That should take care of it. N64KR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 17:46:00 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>2003 KR Gathering Funds Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10 As the host for two years, I can say without hesitation, thanks Linda and Steve for jumping in and carrying on the gathering. I believe when I turned over funds after the 2000 gathering we had something like $12-$1300 left over. It takes the host putting up the remainder out of his/her own pocket so when you attend, buy a t-shirt, buy the meal ticket, throw some money into the hat whatever you can do. I know at the 1999 gathering we had what most people thought was the most KRs to attend a recent gathering. The following year rain kept some KRs away in additon to keeping some around a few days past the gathering. What I am getting at it the host is out on a limb in regards to the weather. Do whatever you can to support the gathering, it is put on by the builders. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host. Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Winterize your home with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 10:47:18 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR> H/S spars strenght Message-ID: <002d01c3bb8a$1ec95da0$2d96dccb@ralf> References: <001b01c3baeb$ee682770$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> <3.0.6.32.20031205100101.00841cd0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 Larry Thanks, It's a KR2 with Dan Diehl wing 23 1/3 feet. What are the measurement for a KR2S tail ?????? Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and home built Parts and Kits at: http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: 06 December 2003 03:01 Subject: Re: KR> H/S spars strenght > At 04:52 PM 12/5/03 +1100, you wrote: > >I have increased my H/Stabilizer spars 12 inches, Some have told me > >to increase the spar size and strength, others say here is no need. > >Any advise would be welcomed Phil Matheson > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Phil, > > I'm not an engineer so the answer to that is a bit out of my league. > > I've never heard of a HS failure in the standard KR or any other > structural failure for that matter. The 12 inch extention changes > things though and they might stand a bit of re-inforcemet. > > Are you building a 2 or a 2S? If you are building a 2S I'd stick with > the dimentions called for in the plans. If you are building a 2 I'd > go with the dimention of the 2S and build it to the 2S plans. I'd not > go bigger than the 2S plans. > > Hope that is of some help. > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 17:49:30 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> H/S spars strenght Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031205174930.007f8760@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <002d01c3bb8a$1ec95da0$2d96dccb@ralf> References: <001b01c3baeb$ee682770$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> <3.0.6.32.20031205100101.00841cd0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 12 >Larry >Thanks, It's a KR2 with Dan Diehl wing 23 1/3 feet. >What are the measurement for a KR2S tail ?????? >Phil Matheson ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Sorry, I don't have 2S plans. I'm sure someone can help you with that. YO, ANYBODY???? Hopefully they will also add any spec's on it being beefed up. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 16:14:23 -0800 From: larry severson To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Dual Control Stick Spacing Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20031205161204.024ff268@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 13 Mine are 19" on center. That works out great with both my wife and I in the seats. Anyone who is thinking of giving demo rides, or considering letting the passenger land, had better not settle for one stick! >Does anyone know what the distance between the two control sticks if >you are using two control sticks? Is it published anywhere? I need >some input!!! Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 19:42:26 -0600 From: "B. Wunder" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR> H/S spars strenght Message-ID: <00a401c3bb9a$34e0a0c0$6400a8c0@computer> References: <001b01c3baeb$ee682770$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> <3.0.6.32.20031205100101.00841cd0@pop.midwest.net> <3.0.6.32.20031205174930.007f8760@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 . > >What are the measurement for a KR2S tail ?????? > >Phil Matheson I have built my HS & elevator spars and they are 71 inches long...which are the dimensions given in the builder's manual. There is an elevator spar center bracket of 1/4" plywood, but nothing else for the stab spars. In the KR2S supplementary drawings there is nothing shown for HS spars, but the vertical spar, which I think is longer than the KR2 one, is 43 inches long and has an 18" doubler of 1/4" plywood. r/ Bernie KR2S Builder Lexington Park, MD http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n2w6 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Sorry, I don't have 2S plans. I'm sure someone can help you > with that. YO, ANYBODY???? Hopefully they will also add > any spec's on it being beefed up. > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 16:39:28 -0800 From: larry severson To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> H/S spars strenght Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20031205163458.024fa088@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <002d01c3bb8a$1ec95da0$2d96dccb@ralf> References: <001b01c3baeb$ee682770$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> <3.0.6.32.20031205100101.00841cd0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 15 >What are the measurement for a KR2S tail ?????? Kr2 Vert stab = 40" KR2S = 43" Horiz stab = 71" =71" (same) This is per RR plans. Only the vertical stab (rudder) was changed going from the KR2 to the KR2S. I suspect that this had to do with the longer fuselage requiring a bigger tail to over come weather vaning. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 20:07:07 -0500 From: "Dean Cooper" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR> H/S spars strenght Message-ID: References: <001b01c3baeb$ee682770$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3><3.0.6.32.20031205100101.00841cd0@pop.midwest.net><3.0.6.32.20031205174930.007f8760@pop.midwest.net> <00a401c3bb9a$34e0a0c0$6400a8c0@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 16 Bernie wrote: >In the KR2S supplementary drawings there is nothing shown for HS spars Does this mean that the KR2 and KR2S HS spar dimensions are identical? Dean Cooper Jacksonville, FL Email me at dean_cooper@msn.com See my KR project at: www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.htmlFrom Boeing757mech1@aol.com Fri Dec 05 19:44:37 2003 Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.101]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1ASTMz-00060r-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 19:44:37 -0800 Received: from Boeing757mech1@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id g.14e.277f0e36 (2168) for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 22:32:31 -0500 (EST) From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com Message-ID: <14e.277f0e36.2d02a7cf@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 22:32:31 EST Subject: Re:KR>Duel Control Stick Spacing To: krnet@mylist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6024 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: > One is better.=A0 Sit between them with two, or sit in the middle when you're > alone. > > Yet another opinion... ;o) > Well, if you sit in the middle which hand is you free hand for flaps,=20 throttle, gear, trim and radios? Is the airplane set up for this? I would be= an=20 accident waiting to happen if you have to let go of the control stick for an= ything. I am designing my own duel control stick that will require no welding. I wil= l=20 let you all know how it goes. Looks good on paper. Chris Theroux=20 Gilbert, AZ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 08:58:47 +0000 From: "alphabravo pilot" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> H/S spars strenght Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 17 Hi............ ok ...that is anormal feeling usually people thinks about when they works , anyway I think that some time when we add extra length its better to add stringth. There are many ways to know if its going to be safe or not ,the best way is by calculation,or by testing . Personally I covered my both H/S & V/S spars with one layer of 200grams regular C-F, with vacume system and the result was great ,, just be ware of the new dimentions on your templates. I built two H/S ,the spars in the first one are covered with E-glass and the seconde one with C-F........................ hope that will stop your dout feeling best regards nasser >From: larry flesner >Reply-To: KRnet >To: KRnet >Subject: Re: KR> H/S spars strenght >Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:01:01 -0600 > >At 04:52 PM 12/5/03 +1100, you wrote: > >I have increased my H/Stabilizer spars 12 inches, Some have told me > >to increase the spar size and strength, others say here is no need. > >Any advise would be welcomed Phil Matheson >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >Phil, > >I'm not an engineer so the answer to that is a bit out of my league. > >I've never heard of a HS failure in the standard KR or any other >structural failure for that matter. The 12 inch extention changes >things though and they might stand a bit of re-inforcemet. > >Are you building a 2 or a 2S? If you are building a 2S I'd stick with >the dimentions called for in the plans. If you are building a 2 I'd go >with the dimention of the 2S and build it to the 2S plans. I'd not go >bigger than the 2S plans. > >Hope that is of some help. > >Larry Flesner > > > >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 06:38:29 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Wilson To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR>Lucite Message-ID: <20031206143829.10371.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <49D1A43C2994F140A1CE90170420F2842102E7@gvlexch04.gvl.l-3com.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 18 Dave, The 230 lbs. wouldn't be a problem. As far as being 6'4" you may want to try and find someone who has a Kr2 and see how well you fit. At the very least you will want to build the KR2S. The KR's can be built to accommodate a tall person, you can modify the length and canopy height probably more than you could with some of the other designs of homebuilts. Rick Wilson. --- "Wright, JD Dave (6865) @ IS" wrote: > Ron, > I am trying to get info on whether the KR-2S is a > good choice of a plane kit > for me. I am new to all this. I am 6'4", 230 lbs. > and would like to build > something that doesn't take forever. I was also > looking at the Sonerai, but > I don't think I would fit. Any info would be > appreciated. > Thanks, > JD > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Freiberger > [mailto:r.freiberger@earthlink.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 5:35 PM > To: KRnet > Subject: RE: KR>Lucite > > Yes, Lucite is the material of choice for windows > and windshields. It is not > as strong as glass. Lexan scratches easily. And, > don't get ant high > solvent materials around the Lucite, such as some > aerosol spray paints. > > Make sure the stuff from Lowe's is Lucite (methyl > methacrylate) and NOT > Styrene. > > > Ron Freiberger > mailto: r.freiberger at earthlink.net > r dot freiberger.... get it? > > -----Original Message----- > From: > krnet-bounces+r.freiberger=earthlink.net@mylist.net > [mailto:krnet-bounces+r.freiberger=earthlink.net@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of > Raybeth321@wmconnect.com > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 11:41 AM > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: KR>Lucite > > I am considering using Lucite for my Gull Wing > canopy doors and > windshield. It is said to be 10 times as strong as > glass It resists > gasoline. I can > get it at Lowe's for about half price of Lexan. > Any comments? You may > reply > to raybeth321@wmconnect.com Thanks, Ray Goree > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ===== Rick Wilson, Haleyville, Alabama KR2-0200A -99% rwdw2002@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 09:31:18 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Wilson To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>engine and PSRU for sale Message-ID: <20031206173118.22989.qmail@web21208.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 19 Hi, If anyone knows of someone that needs a big engine for a homebuilt, there is a brand new Chevy 350 H.O. engine still in the crate and a new prop speed reduction unit to fit it for sale at: www.donateyourplane.com They are selling it at an almost giveaway price of $2100.00 for both- $1500.00 for the engine and $600.00 for the psru. There are some pics of it there. They also have several other projects for sale very reasonable. Rick Wilson. ===== Rick Wilson, Haleyville, Alabama KR2-0200A -99% rwdw2002@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:12:17 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" , "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>mailing list subscriptions Message-ID: <002501c3bc2c$dd8fd640$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 20 Sorry to bug y'all with this, but it's purely out of self defense. I get about two messages a week (forwarded to me as the administrator) from irate subscribers wanting to know why they can't post to the list. They are usually agitated, have nothing nice to say, and are convinced that I've deliberately trampled their God-given right to post the list for some reason. You might remember my buddy JOSANDT who all but hired a hit man to kill me for that same reason. He's the only guy I've ever banned from the list forever, and it took him about six weeks of perseverance to accomplish that. The truth is that it's a real pain to fix it so that somebody can't post (but can still read), so I don't think it's EVER going to happen. That's called "moderated", and I'd have to OK every message the guy ever sent to the list, and I'd get an message to approve the message every time, and that's even worse than letting the guy post. Anyway, my point is that if all the sudden you find that you can't post to the list, 98% of the time it's because you've gone out and gotten a new email address and are trying to post from the NEW address, which won't work until you subscribe the NEW address! This is an anti-spamming mechanism that keeps just anybody from posting to the list, only subscribers. It's just that simple. Now you might want to receive with one and post from another, or some other such madness, or be able to send from both, but only receive from the other, or get the digest at work and individual messages at home. To change how your account works it's as simple as visiting http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html if you're on KRnet, or http://www.krnet.org/corvaircraft_inst.html if you're on CorvAircraft. If you forget how to get there, just follow the link at the bottom of a post, and you'll find at least one (maybe 3 or 4) link to "list instructions". This is also the way you UNSUBSCRIBE...just follow the "instructions link"! And while I'm on my soapbox, I just don't get how it is that people can't figure out other folks' email addresses. Surely somewhere (like "properties" for the message) there's a way to figure it out. Maybe if you hit "reply all" you'll get both the original sender and the list, and you can delete the list from the "TO" field. Somehow, I hope you'll all figure out a way. Personally, if I had an email system that wouldn't do that, I'd dump it and go to Outlook Express. In Express you just highlight a message, click on FILE up at the top, and PROPERTIES, and you'll be shown the original sender's email address. Cut and paste it (put cursor at one end, press and hold left button, slide to highlight the whole thing and release, and then hit CTRL and C at the same time to copy) and then paste it into the TO box (put cursor in TO box, hit CTRL and V at the same time). Or you could just do what I do, which is save every message for at least six months. That way you can do a search (FIND) a message with the guy's last name in it (assuming he's decent enough to put his name on his posts) and you'll turn it up. It would be nice if people would put their email addresses in their "signatures" at the bottom of their posts, even if you camouflage it some (like N56ML "at" hiwaay.net ). Hope this helps, and thanks for listening... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 241, Issue 1 *************************************