From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 245, Issue 2 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: TurtleDeck Weight Question (Wood, Sidney M.) 2. Re: Colin's Lap Belt attachments (Mark Langford) 3. Re: Colin's Lap Belt attachments (Scott Cable) 4. Re: Colin's Lap Belt attachments (Scott Cable) 5. RE: Removing Adhesive Residue From Fiberglass And From Plywood (Wood, Sidney M.) 6. Change of address 7. Re: Colin's Lap Belt attachments (Ron Eason) 8. 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<20031210030230.81907.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> <007d01c3bf1d$05fe8930$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 I should mention that if you go with the assumptions that Bill Marcy makes in his analysis at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/seat1.jpg and http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/seat2.jpg as being good enough, then 3/16" AN3 bolts should be sufficient, but with no real margin... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 05:28:34 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Colin's Lap Belt attachments Message-ID: <20031210132834.53654.qmail@web40807.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <007d01c3bf1d$05fe8930$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3 That's exactly it. I ran across a printed version of it over the weekend, And I was going by memory... I believe that the article was talking about 5/16 bolts at the belt fitting. Anyway, Thanks, you nailed it! --- Mark Langford wrote: > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/seat1.jpg > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/seat2.jpg ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 05:39:35 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Colin's Lap Belt attachments Message-ID: <20031210133935.86651.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <008e01c3bf1f$5bc849d0$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4 Which was exactly my point in those other posts last week, 3/16 attachments give you no margin of safety, 1/4's are a much better choice, 5/16 would be on the border of overkill, but you wouldn't have to worry about your lap belt bolts pulling through the spar and failing your rear spar if you encountered turbulence. You also wouldn't have to worry about being knocked out if the attachment failed... Just some food for thought! Thanks Mark --- Mark Langford wrote: > I should mention that if you go with the assumptions > that Bill Marcy makes > in his analysis at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/seat1.jpg and > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/seat2.jpg as being good enough, then > 3/16" AN3 bolts should be sufficient, but with no real > margin... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML at hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:41:58 -0500 From: "Wood, Sidney M." 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I have switched to using DSL and Outlook Express with the new address of Orma@aviation-mechanics.com. Mark please help me remove the Screen name Aviationmech@aol.com from the mailing list. I have already signed up under the screen name Orma@aviation-mechanics.com. Orma AKA AviationMech KR2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.aviation-mechanics.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:51:24 -0600 From: "Ron Eason" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Colin's Lap Belt attachments Message-ID: <008101c3bf35$771ce4a0$6501a8c0@Administration> References: <20031210030230.81907.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> <007d01c3bf1d$05fe8930$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 How do you scale a engineering sketch, and why would you put a 3/16" bolt in a 1/4" hole? KRRon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 6:56 AM Subject: Re: KR>Colin's Lap Belt attachments > Scott Cable wrote: > > > I ran accross an article that was a strength analysis > > done on the lap and shoulder belt attachments, done specicly for the > > KR-2. I can bottom line it for you- the article recommended > > 5/16 fasteners. > > RR had their structural engineer guy whip up an attachment system for > the shoulder belts back in 1998, but it doesn't actually mention bolt > size! (See the two links below for details). I think the plans call > for 3/16 bolts holding the seat belts, and I get the impression from > the links below > that he intended the shoulder belts to be bolted with .25" bolts, but > if the > scale of the drawing means anything, it's clearly 3/16" or even less. > I'm not saying I agree, or that it's right, just throwing it out there > as the "official" word from RR, for whatever that's worth. > > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/seat1.jpg > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/seat2.jpg > > The above links are accessible from > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/misc.html also, about 2/3 of the way down. > > Scott, did that article appear in an old Newsletter or something? If > so, aim me towards it and I'll check it out. > > Thanks, > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML at hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:53:24 -0600 From: "Bob Stone" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Sport Pilot License Message-ID: <001801c3bf3e$205ab940$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 8 Netters, For those of you who may be interested Zenith Aircraft Co. has = compiled some information about the new Sport Pilots License. You can = view it at this URL. http://www.zenithair.com/news/sport-pilot.html Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com From bonzabay@netactive.co.za Wed Dec 10 10:37:20 2003 Received: from laibach.mweb.co.za ([196.2.53.177]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AU9D5-000NdK-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:37:20 -0800 Received: from elo-dial-196-7-206-240.mweb.co.za ([196.7.206.240]:1028 helo=user)by laibach.mweb.co.za with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AU91b-0001D3-CZ for krnet@mylist.net; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:25:27 +0200 Message-ID: <009201c3bf4b$a0b25500$f0ce07c4@user> From: "Eric Evezard" To: "KR NEWS" Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:29:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Vortex X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Hi Netters. Two things-firstly vortex generators.My friend has them on = his Quickie and they have a tremendous nuisance value.They seem to = attract finger pokers,hangar rash etc.One must firstly crawl on the = hangar floor picking up the little pieces and glue them back onto the = wing.There are always some missing and spares have to be carried. Seat belt attatch bolts seem to have attracted a lot of attention = lately,but I am very concerned about the seat belt stitching.Some seat = belts make it look as if ones life is hanging onto a yard or two of thin = looking thread.I do hope I am wrong. Best Regards Eric Evezard South Africa ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 245, Issue 2 *************************************