From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 248, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. drill bits (Dene Collett (SA)) 2. Re: KR FOR SALE (Bob Stone) 3. Re: drill bits (Mark Langford) 4. Re: Fun Friday aviation pics.........Oh NO:-) (Joseph H Horton) 5. Re: Aluminum kit (larry severson) 6. Re: Aluminum kit 7. Drangonfly canopies (larry severson) 8. Aluminum Kit 9. New British KR2 (Mark Langford) 10. Re: Interiors/spatter paint (larry flesner) 11. Re: Interiors/spatter paint/first flight (Mark Jones) 12. Re: Aluminum Kit (Gavin Donohoe) 13. Turbo Charging (Ron Eason) 14. /spatter paint/first flight (larry flesner) 15. test (Bobby Muse) 16. Sorry about the attachments (Bobby Muse) 17. Re: Sorry about the attachments (Dan Heath) 18. Re: Larry's first flight (Mark Langford) 19. Re: New British KR2 (Bob Stone) 20. RE: //first flight (francis fenlason) 21. Re: Sorry about the attachments (Bobby Sather) 22. Re: Sorry about the attachments (Mark Langford) 23. drill bits (Eric Evezard) 24. Re: New British KR2 (Dennis Mingear) 25. Re: Sorry about the attachments (Mark Jones) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:37:49 +0200 From: "Dene Collett \(SA\)" To: "krnet" Subject: KR>drill bits Message-ID: <000701c3c0f0$3291b600$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 Hi Guys I was just wondering what type of drill bits you guys were using to drill the bolt holes through the spar for the waf's mounting bolts. Do you use a normal twist drill as for steel work or do you use the woodworking spade type . I havn't seen an extra long twist drills here anywhere so was just wondering. Dene Collett South Africa mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:53:48 -0600 From: "Bob Stone" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>KR FOR SALE Message-ID: <003201c3c0f2$0af8c500$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> References: <014d01c3c0d3$e9b6ce50$57922ccf@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Bobby, I just looked at the pictures of your KR-2 on Mark's web site and must say you have built one of the nicest ones I have seen. You should have no trouble selling it at the price you are asking. Where do you live in the country? When I tell some of my friends about this the first thing they are going to want to know is. Where does he live and does he have a trailer to bring it home on? Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Texas rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Muse" To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:18 AM Subject: KR>KR FOR SALE ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:57:19 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>drill bits Message-ID: <001901c3c0f2$8863db10$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> References: <000701c3c0f0$3291b600$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Dene Collett wrote: > I was just wondering what type of drill bits you guys were using to > drill the bolt holes through the spar for the waf's mounting bolts. Do > you use a normal twist drill as for steel work or do you use the > woodworking spade type . I used a regular 3/16" twist drill bit, about a foot long. They sell them at Home Depot and other stores (although I know that doesn't help you). I guess SA is metric, right? That might be a little bit of a problem, but I'd think any decent machine shop supply place would have them, or certainly could get them. I made a fixture for that job that really made flawlessly co-axial holes, at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kmlws11.jpg . More details on how to make it and use it are at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/owings.html . Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:31:20 -0500 From: Joseph H Horton To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Fun Friday aviation pics.........Oh NO:-) Message-ID: <20031212.173121.-551473.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Dana, You got my interest. I'll have to decide between the 5 string and a passenger in my 2S. Do you use it ? I cann't see any wear marks in the head. Looks Good-- Joe Horton On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:06:37 -0500 "Dana Overall" writes: > Anyone camping around me is certainly in trouble. I was curious, > until I > finished my canopy, whether a certain piece of "required" baggage > would fit > in it's case. After a little downsizing of the case, it does fit. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:25:35 -0800 From: larry severson To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Aluminum kit Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20031212162012.02506e98@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20031212073036.00858490@pop.midwest.net> References: <20031212075911.72118.qmail@web40604.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5 >There was a company that made the aluminum parts, but they stopped making >them 10 years ago. No one is currently making these parts. Builder gets >the fun(?). Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:36:12 EST From: JSMONDAY@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Aluminum kit Message-ID: <179.234522ae.2d0bb8fc@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 Les Palmer I believe is making quite a few of the parts and is listed on the KRNET website as a vendor but his phone prefix is wrong. Here is the right number 972-241-4387 John Monday KR2S Laguna Beach, CA >There was a company that made the aluminum parts, but they stopped making >them 10 years ago. No one is currently making these parts. Builder gets >the fun(?). Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:41:46 -0800 From: larry severson To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Drangonfly canopies Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20031212164015.0251f1d8@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7 How does one make the bows to support the canopy and door? Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:55:17 EST From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Kr>Aluminum Kit Message-ID: <194.22aadc22.2d0bbd75@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Im not interested in the parts themselves. I want the material inventory list you should have gotten when you ordered the kit. I am going to dig though the bin at work to see what I can find there. I know we have the stuff but its a matter of looking for it. I dont want to look for one piece at a time, If I find 5 foot of U channel 6061 T-6 .125 and I cut off a foot to make a part and put the rest back, then I find out later that I need more I'll have to go on a treasure hunt for it again. If I know I'll need 5 feet total then Ill keep in in my box. I sure some one out there has this list, If not i'll be hunting one peice at a time. Thanks, Chris Theroux Gilbert, AZ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:53:17 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>New British KR2 Message-ID: <023901c3c11b$e1151980$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 Willie Wilson (recently retired transatlantic 747 pilot for British Airways) sent me some photos of a new KR2 that he test flew, and took some photos of it for us to savor. There are some neat ideas here, especially in the "quick disconnect" wing attach department. There's also a flight report included in a link at the bottom of the page. It's at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/katkinson/ ... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:22:52 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Interiors/spatter paint Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031212202252.00807a70@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <007f01c3c0cf$1e140e60$6701a8c0@HISPEEDWIRELESS.COM> References: <3.0.6.32.20031212075305.007949f0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10 A little tip, this >stuff is expensive by the gallon. your Kr should not take more than a pint >so order the architects sample for a small cost, this should give you more >than enough. >Wayne ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ If Wal-Mart, Lowe's, or Home Depot colors will work it should only take maybe two cans of the color (spatter) and one of the clear plus your base coat. I used more because I "DIDN'T READ THE DIRECTIONS ON THE CAN". I tried to use just the spatter paint as a cover paint on the inside of my gullwing door. I had to put in on so heavy to cover that it had still not dried after 2 or three days and I scraped it off with a razor. I then "READ THE DIRECTIONS ON THE CAN", applied the base coat (grey primer in my case), put on some spatter and finished with the clear. Worked great. Your results may vary. It depends on whether you READ THE DIRECTIONS ON THE CAN" or not. :-) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:13:08 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Interiors/spatter paint/first flight Message-ID: <00b301c3c127$08be9960$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20031212075305.007949f0@pop.midwest.net> <3.0.6.32.20031212202252.00807a70@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 You are correct, I used two cans of paint and one partial can of clear Coat....I read the directions....ha..... BTW...when is that first flight going to happen? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 8:22 PM Subject: Re: KR>Interiors/spatter paint > A little tip, this > >stuff is expensive by the gallon. your Kr should not take more than a pint > >so order the architects sample for a small cost, this should give you more > >than enough. > >Wayne > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > If Wal-Mart, Lowe's, or Home Depot colors will work it should > only take maybe two cans of the color (spatter) and one of the > clear plus your base coat. > > I used more because I "DIDN'T READ THE DIRECTIONS > ON THE CAN". I tried to use just the spatter paint as a cover > paint on the inside of my gullwing door. I had to put in on so > heavy to cover that it had still not dried after 2 or three days > and I scraped it off with a razor. I then "READ THE DIRECTIONS > ON THE CAN", applied the base coat (grey primer in my case), > put on some spatter and finished with the clear. Worked great. > > Your results may vary. It depends on whether you > READ THE DIRECTIONS ON THE CAN" or not. :-) > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:33:20 +1000 From: "Gavin Donohoe" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: Kr>Aluminum Kit Message-ID: <000c01c3c129$e7ddd280$dc4d8690@oemcomputer> References: <194.22aadc22.2d0bbd75@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 I asked the same question but nobody could/would help me so I sat down one night and worked it all out ( took ages). There is no list that comes with the plans!!!!!!! I just went through the drawing book and listed the materials for each drawing, and then went back over it to get totals of the same size materials needed. Sorry I've misplaced mine since then. Gavin Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 10:55 AM Subject: Kr>Aluminum Kit > Im not interested in the parts themselves. I want the material inventory > list you should have gotten when you ordered the kit. I am going to dig though > the bin at work to see what I can find there. I know we have the stuff but > its a matter of looking for it. I dont want to look for one piece at a time, If > I find 5 foot of U channel 6061 T-6 .125 and I cut off a foot to make a part > and put the rest back, then I find out later that I need more I'll have to go > on a treasure hunt for it again. If I know I'll need 5 feet total then Ill keep > in in my box. > > I sure some one out there has this list, If not i'll be hunting one peice at > a time. > > Thanks, > > Chris Theroux > Gilbert, AZ > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.551 / Virus Database: 343 - Release Date: 12/11/03 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:18:56 -0600 From: "Ron Eason" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>Turbo Charging Message-ID: <000f01c3c130$3a171c90$6501a8c0@Administration> References: <194.22aadc22.2d0bbd75@aol.com> <000c01c3c129$e7ddd280$dc4d8690@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 To all those interested and some of my KR friends find some good info here: http://www.turbofast.com.au And, the advantages, if you keep the engine cool: The Advantages of Turbo-Normalizing Normally aspirated engines suffer from reduction of manifold pressure as they climb, which pilots compensate for by pushing in the throttle. At about 7,500 feet the engine runs "out of throttle". As the altitude increases, the manifold pressure decreases and the plane slows. Flying higher becomes more and more inefficient. With a turbo-normaling system providing sea level air pressure for combustion all the way to high altitude, the loss of power and speed is delayed until reaching "the critical altitude". {limits of the Turbo] Advantageously, the air speed increases as the skin friction of thinner air density decreases. High altitude capability allows the pilot the choice of: a.. Avoiding turbulence b.. Maintaining terrain clearance over mountains c.. Seeking more favorable headwinds d.. Catching tail winds e.. More enjoyable clear air and sunshine f.. Navigation and communications is better --- longer line of sight g.. Obstacle clearance and mountain turbulence, generally 10,000 ft in the East and 16,000 feet in the West. h.. Safety advantage of altitude: 12,500 to 17,500 have least traffic i.. Added safety in an emergency from greater glide time. Area for landing increases as the square of the range At 6,000' glide is about 7 minutes, 12.5 miles At 12,000' glide is about 14 minutes, 25 miles At 18,000' glide is about 21 minutes, 37.5 miles Faster speeds mean less engine time, less avionics time and the probability of less maintenance Faster speeds mean greater range with the same amount of fuel High flight makes available smoother ride, colder air -- less icing risk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 06:06:41 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>/spatter paint/first flight Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031213060641.007e4610@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <00b301c3c127$08be9960$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20031212075305.007949f0@pop.midwest.net> <3.0.6.32.20031212202252.00807a70@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14 >You are correct, I used two cans of paint and one partial can of clear >Coat....I read the directions....ha..... >BTW...when is that first flight going to happen? >Mark Jones (N886MJ) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I've just instructed Mark Langford to move me from the "Under construction" to the "flying KR's" list. I made the first flight this afternoon. Details in the next few days. I also made a "first flight" in a Zenair 601 with a HARLEY engine yesterday. Tomorrow is going to seem rather dull installing equipment at the laundry! Larry ( just another grinning KR pilot ) Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 06:32:43 -0600 From: "Bobby Muse" To: Subject: KR>test Message-ID: <006901c3c175$35712dd0$69c028d8@computer> Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0065_01C3C142.EA2E96F0" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 15 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C3C142.EA2E96F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Blankthis is a test....121303.0632 ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C3C142.EA2E96F0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 06:55:35 -0600 From: "Bobby Muse" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>Sorry about the attachments Message-ID: <00d701c3c178$66e5ac30$69c028d8@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 16 BlankI keep trying to create a new message for the KRnet, but each time = my message goes out as an attachment. I apologize, but does anyone know = why or how it's happening. I am using 'Outlook Express'. Bobby Muse ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 07:59:25 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>Sorry about the attachments Message-ID: <3FDB0D2D.000003.03396@Computer> References: <00d701c3c178$66e5ac30$69c028d8@computer> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 17 Bobby,=0D =0D Are your replying, or sending new. I am getting your test messages, not = as attachments. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet=0D Date: Saturday, December 13, 2003 7:55:31 AM=0D To: KRnet=0D Subject: KR>Sorry about the attachments=0D =0D BlankI keep trying to create a new message for the KRnet, but each time m= y message goes out as an attachment. I apologize, but does anyone know why = or how it's happening. I am using 'Outlook Express'.=0D =0D Bobby Muse=0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2EFrom flykr2s@wi.rr.com Sat Dec 13 06:07:41 2003 Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com ([24.94.166.122]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AVAQn-000Fzd-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 06:07:41 -0800 Received: from mark (CPE-65-31-81-78.wi.rr.com [65.31.81.78]) by ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id hBDDtsH8022754 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 07:55:59 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000f01c3c180$f9725460$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" References: <3.0.6.32.20031212075305.007949f0@pop.midwest.net> <3.0.6.32.20031212202252.00807a70@pop.midwest.net> <3.0.6.32.20031213060641.007e4610@pop.midwest.net> Subject: Re: KR>Larry's first flight. Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 07:56:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Congratulations Larry. What a Christmas present one could give himself. Has that adrenaline stopped pumping yet? Can't wait to hear your report. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" > > I've just instructed Mark Langford to move me from the "Under > construction" to the "flying KR's" list. I made the first flight > this afternoon. Details in the next few days. > > I also made a "first flight" in a Zenair 601 with a HARLEY > engine yesterday. Tomorrow is going to seem rather > dull installing equipment at the laundry! > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:18:47 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Larry's first flight Message-ID: <004001c3c184$0616d7b0$2402a8c0@800Athlon> References: <3.0.6.32.20031212075305.007949f0@pop.midwest.net> <3.0.6.32.20031212202252.00807a70@pop.midwest.net> <3.0.6.32.20031213060641.007e4610@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18 Larry Flesner wrote: > I've just instructed Mark Langford to move me from the "Under > construction" to the "flying KR's" list. I made the first flight > this afternoon. Details in the next few days. Excellent! I almost moved you last night. I must be psychic. Or maybe just psycho. Anyway, congratulations on a job well done! Next year we'll do doing air-to-air photos OF your KR, rather than FROM your Tripacer! I better get to work... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:31:00 -0600 From: "Bob Stone" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>New British KR2 Message-ID: <002801c3c185$bb1c21a0$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> References: <023901c3c11b$e1151980$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 19 Mark, I am sure the membership would be greatful to you if you could arrange for your English friend to furnish detailed plans and dementions of that wing attach system he has designed. Then you could put it out on your web site so builders could make copies for the shop. The original design is very good, safe and strong if a KR owner/pilot is going to keep his aircraft at the airport all the time. However if he wants to keep it at home on a trailer (like a boat) and attach the wings at the airport, wings that are easy for one man to remove or attach are very desirable. Bob Stone, Harfker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 7:53 PM Subject: KR>New British KR2 > Willie Wilson (recently retired transatlantic 747 pilot for British Airways) > sent me some photos of a new KR2 that he test flew, and took some photos of > it for us to savor. There are some neat ideas here, especially in the > "quick disconnect" wing attach department. There's also a flight report > included in a link at the bottom of the page. It's at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/katkinson/ ... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:52:43 -0600 From: "francis fenlason" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR>//first flight Message-ID: <000001c3c191$2a16ecb0$2509efd8@primelibrary> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20031213060641.007e4610@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 20 Congratulations Larry I hope to be in the same position sometime this next year Will be interested in the specifics.. Russ Breckenridge ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:58:53 -0700 From: "Bobby Sather" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Sorry about the attachments Message-ID: <002201c3c192$01fc3e00$5602a8c0@Belkin> References: <00d701c3c178$66e5ac30$69c028d8@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 21 To protect from virus, I don't belive you can send attachments ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Muse" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 5:55 AM Subject: KR>Sorry about the attachments BlankI keep trying to create a new message for the KRnet, but each time my message goes out as an attachment. I apologize, but does anyone know why or how it's happening. I am using 'Outlook Express'. Bobby Muse _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:21:33 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Sorry about the attachments Message-ID: <026d01c3c195$2ca27cc0$1202a8c0@basement> References: <00d701c3c178$66e5ac30$69c028d8@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 22 Bobby Muse wrote: >> BlankI keep trying to create a new message for the KRnet, but each time my message goes out as an attachment. I apologize, but does anyone know why or how it's happening. I am using 'Outlook Express'.<< If you'll go to HELP while in Outlook (without any messages "expanded", then "contents and index", search for "attachments" and pick "HTML", it'll tell you that if you have chosen HTML then your messages are sent as plain text with an HTML attachment. Since the mail server is fixed to strip out HTML (as a virus and obnoxious image filter), so when the message gets to the list, there is an attachment, but it's empty. So to fix it, go under TOOLS, OPTIONS, SEND, and change MAIL SENDING FORMAT to PLAIN, rather than HTML. Sending messages in HTML allows you to send web content such as embedded images, cute little smiley faces, spinning propellers, and that sort of thing. Since I am "no fun", I don't have much use for it (it just makes the file size larger and more distracting IMHO). The truth about attachments is that last time I tried to eliminate absolutely all attachments, those folks who send HTML and some other formats stopped being able to post. So right now we're just operating under a 10K limit, which is smaller than most viruses that have been going around. Anybody that knows how to make "Mailman" strip them ALL without side effects would be my hero, since the people that host this particular list are compeletely unresponsive, and I've yet been able to find a way anywhere else on the web. If I'm wrong about any of this, more savvy Outlook Express users are welcome to correct me. I don't claim to be an expert, I just do the best I can. By the way, Bobby Muse's plane is the best looking KR that I've personally seen, although I haven't seen it for a few years. The interior is spectacularly detailed. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:55:32 +0200 From: "Eric Evezard" To: "KR NEWS" Subject: KR>drill bits Message-ID: <000801c3c19a$0bbd8540$a9ce07c4@user> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 23 Hi Dene,the correct imperial dia drill bits are obtainable in S Africa = from Engineering supply stores,not the local hardware stores.You dont = need long bits as two standard size bits are used.using a simple jig and = drilling from opposite sides to get a perfect match through the spar and = WAFS on each side.The jigs for the mainspar and the dragspar are very = easy to make and use and give excellent results.If you need any help = ,contact me direct. Best Regards, Eric Evezard, South Africa. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:41:00 -0800 (PST) From: Dennis Mingear To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>New British KR2 Message-ID: <20031213174100.94553.qmail@web12602.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <023901c3c11b$e1151980$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 24 Wow!! What a nice little KR! Thanks for the post Mark. Would it be possible to get some more info on the wing disco stuff? Denny ... Mark Langford wrote: There are some neat ideas here, especially in the "quick disconnect" wing attach department. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharingFrom n56ml@hiwaay.net Sat Dec 13 10:27:24 2003 Received: from smtp3.knology.net ([24.214.63.14] helo=smtp2.knology.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AVEU8-000J5y-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:27:24 -0800 Received: (qmail 27617 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 18:15:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO basement) (24.214.88.148) by smtp3.knology.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 18:15:43 -0000 Message-ID: <029f01c3c1a5$3b96f7a0$1202a8c0@basement> From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" References: <20031213174100.94553.qmail@web12602.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: KR>New British KR2 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 12:16:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: > Wow!! What a nice little KR! Thanks for the post Mark. Would it be possible to get some more info >on the wing disco stuff? > I am sure the membership would be greatful to you if you could arrange > for your English friend to furnish detailed plans and dementions of that > wing attach system he has designed. Then you could put it out on your web > site so builders could make copies for the shop. The original design is > very good, safe and strong if a KR owner/pilot is going to keep his aircraft > at the airport all the time. However if he wants to keep it at home on a > trailer (like a boat) and attach the wings at the airport, wings that are > easy for one man to remove or attach are very desirable. I'll see what I can do... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 12:41:05 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Sorry about the attachments Message-ID: <003101c3c1a8$ab1bd3e0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <00d701c3c178$66e5ac30$69c028d8@computer> <026d01c3c195$2ca27cc0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 25 Mark, I am not sure that is the correct fix for Bobby. My "Mail Sending Format" in Outlook Express has always been coded HTML and they always post. Now directly below that option is "News Sending Format" and I have that coded plain text. Could that possibly allow my post through? I did look through all options for a "send as attachment" on/off switch but have not found it yet. I know it is there somewhere. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" >. So to fix it, go under TOOLS, > OPTIONS, SEND, and change MAIL SENDING FORMAT to PLAIN, rather than HTML. > >> > If I'm wrong about any of this, more savvy Outlook Express users are welcome > to correct me. I don't claim to be an expert, I just do the best I can. > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 248, Issue 1 *************************************