From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 249, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. New Builder (Tyler) 2. Larry's first flight (Mark Langford) 3. Updates (Colin) 4. Etiquette (Colin) 5. Re: Sorry about the attachments (Patrick Driscoll) 6. Flight report (larry flesner) 7. Foldable Wing (Douglas Dorfmeier) 8. RE: Flight report (Dana Overall) 9. more flight report (larry flesner) 10. revflow allieson fix,s for rich lean problem 11. Re: revflow allieson fix,s for rich lean problem 12. Re: Flight report (Mark Jones) 13. Want to Purchase A Completed KR2 (Thomas Brock) 14. Re: Flight report (larry flesner) 15. Re: Want to Purchase A Completed KR2 (larry flesner) 16. Re: New Builder (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 17. Aileron trim was KR>Flight report (Brian Kraut) 18. RE: Aileron trim was KR>Flight report (Dana Overall) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:24:17 -0600 From: "Tyler" To: Subject: KR>New Builder Message-ID: <000801c3c1c7$d959f5b0$90353544@tylerlsmdh6nfz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 I just had to ask the seasoned builters out there. If given a fresh set of KR-2S plans what are some of the mod's that you would start planing from, in the begining Engine - Wings - Strobs - Flaps - Props - LD Gear - Prephab Parts - Timesavers - Weight Savers!! That kinda stuff. Thanks! Tyler tylerlsmith@comcast.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:26:54 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Larry's first flight Message-ID: <02ef01c3c1c8$3708f620$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 NetHeads, As Larry promised, there are a few pictures of his first flight at the top of http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/flesner/ . I'm sure he'll write up some sort of flight report in the next few days... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:31:49 -0500 From: "Colin" To: Subject: KR>Updates Message-ID: <002b01c3c1c8$e6394a00$f2452141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 3 To all who responded to my question concerning interiors, Larry, Mark, = and more, thank you. New pictures soon to be on the website of progress after many delays = this week. Bev and I worked on completing several detail assemblies = today, and finished the Lexan covers, and rudder cable fairing = installation. Just have to paint the fairings now. Landing lights are = installed and working on the covers for them at the present. Next comes = the wiring to the stub wings, and electrical tests. Getting closer..... Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html Sanford, Florida KR Gathering 2004-see ya in Mt VernonFrom crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sat Dec 13 14:49:58 2003 Received: from ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.5.133] helo=ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)id 1AVIaD-000LwC-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 14:49:57 -0800 Received: from Beverly (242.69.33.65.cfl.rr.com [65.33.69.242]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id hBDMcF6X002541 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:38:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003701c3c1c9$d3dd5170$f2452141@Beverly> From: "Colin" To: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:38:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>KR2S mods X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Tyler Not to put you off, but begin educating yourself by reading through = completely Mark Langford's website, along with Mark Jones's, and Larry = Flesner's, and Dan Heath/Jerry Maurin's. Then any others that catch your = eye as well. Any topics not clear, search the message archives for that = subject, and research. There is as many mods possible as aircraft being = built, some good, some not so good. Read up and educate before buying = materials so that what you buy, goes the farthest. Once you have = studied then ask clarifying questions of the netters to speed your = answers. To begin a broad discussion now of all the mods possible would = take weeks due to all the variations on each one. Don't want to put you off, but don't be surprised at the short answers. = Too much data to reprint it all here. :-) Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html Sanford, Florida KR Gathering 2004-see ya in Mt VernonFrom tylerlsmith@comcast.net Sat Dec 13 14:57:39 2003 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.198.39]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AVIhf-000M0G-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 14:57:39 -0800 Received: from tylerlsmdh6nfz (pcp04163519pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net[68.53.53.144]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2003121322455901500k233de>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:45:59 +0000 From: "Tyler" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR>KR2S mods Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:45:29 -0600 Message-ID: <000d01c3c1ca$ceee3ca0$90353544@tylerlsmdh6nfz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <003701c3c1c9$d3dd5170$f2452141@Beverly> X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Thanks for the study info begin educating yourself by reading through completely Mark Langford's website, along with Mark Jones's, and Larry Flesner's, and Dan Heath ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:57:25 -0500 From: "Colin" To: Subject: KR>Etiquette Message-ID: <000a01c3c1cc$7a0e9110$f2452141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 Tyler Be sure to include your e-mail address, location and any webpage at the = bottom of your posts so that any netter can easily post directly to you = if they choose to give a more detailed response to a particular question = of yours. Take a look at my posts and Marks recently for examples. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html Sanford, Florida KR Gathering 2004-see ya in Mt VernonFrom flykr2s@wi.rr.com Sat Dec 13 15:09:21 2003 Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com ([24.94.166.129]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AVIsz-000MC4-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:09:21 -0800 Received: from mark (CPE-65-31-81-78.wi.rr.com [65.31.81.78]) by ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id hBDMvchX016141 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:57:40 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <007d01c3c1cc$a86fe360$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" References: <000d01c3c1ca$ceee3ca0$90353544@tylerlsmdh6nfz> Subject: Re: KR>KR2S mods Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:58:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Tyler, The biggest mod you need to be concerned with as a new builder is the boat. Do you need a wider cockpit? Do you want to lengthen the fuselage? Start with those two mods and believe me, all the other mods will follow suit and there will be plenty of them. We are all here to help you as you progress so do not be afraid to ask questions. Just do your homework first. If you do, your questions will be more specific and the answers you get will be more beneficial. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyler" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 4:45 PM Subject: RE: KR>KR2S mods > Thanks for the study info > > begin educating yourself by reading through completely Mark Langford's > website, along with Mark Jones's, and Larry Flesner's, and Dan Heath > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:13:05 -0600 From: "Patrick Driscoll" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Sorry about the attachments Message-ID: <005401c3c1e7$cfd429a0$232cdacf@oemcomputer> References: <00d701c3c178$66e5ac30$69c028d8@computer><026d01c3c195$2ca27cc0$1202a8c0@basement> <003101c3c1a8$ab1bd3e0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 I use outlook express and I have both messages and news set for HTML and all of my messages get through. Pat Driscoll patrick36@usfamily.net Saint Paul, MN ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:36:54 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>Flight report Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031213223654.00894100@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <023901c3c11b$e1151980$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6 Netters, I'm clipping a large portion of an e-mail to Willie Wilson rather than retype it all. I'll follow up with more actual performance numbers and observations as I progress through the flight testing. My biggest first observation is that I'm happy I put a speed brake on this thing. It is one slick airplane. It flies just as I expected it to. By the way, that picture of me grinning is "after the flight". Can you tell I was happy? Larry Flesner ---_______________________________________________ N211LF has "officially" taken to the air! It happened Friday afternoon about 3:30PM. I had corrected my write-ups and managed to build some temp wing attach covers and decided it was time to fly. This would be my second "first flight" in two different airplanes in two days as I did the first flight on a Zenair 601 with a Harley motorcycle engine on Thursday. But that's another whole story. I taxied out to the runway, did a fast idle taxi for about 1000 feet and then taxied back for engine run-up. After double checking my check list I realized I couldn't put it off any longer. My only real concern was the landing at the end of the flight. Throwing caution to the wind I lined up on the runway and started to feed in power. It was rolling straight so after 200 feet or so I brought the power up to max. It got light rather quickly and I could feel it trying to drift to the left from the 3 to 4 mph right crosswind so I eased the stick back and I was airborne. My first thought was "DA*N, you've done it now". I held a steady shallow climb and passing the end of the 4000 foot runway I finally realized it was going to fly and glanced at the ASI. I was climbing at 100K's and getting 750 fpm climb rate. I held that to about 2000 feet as I circled the field. I was only getting about 2200 rpm from the engine and that concerned me but the power was smooth. I may have too much prop. I brought the power back to hold the speed down and flew circles for a bit to check out the handling. It seemed the ball wanted to go to the right but I think some of it was due to my big foot. It takes so little to throw the ball off center. In level flight when I let go of the stick the right wing starts down after 2 or 3 seconds and it starts a gentle right turn. I'm wondering if I need to set my engine thrust maybe 1 degree left or place a fixed tab on the wing beyond the aileron. It flew well with all controls centered. With the power back to hold 100 to 110 K's I realized I was only running 1600 rpm! I climbed to 3500 and let it stretch it's legs for about 30 seconds and the ASI came right around to 135K's and the rpm came up to 2500. I may see my 160mph when I get wheel pants to cover those big 600X6's hanging out on those 30 inch gear legs. I throttled back and did a bit of slow flight. I was down to 60 K's indicated and it felt like I had full control so I picked that as my target airspeed for "over the numbers" on landing. I brought the power back and did some shallow turns while decending back to the airport. My main concern was slowing it down and getting it back on the ground. I hadn't tried the speed brake yet and didn't plan to do so until the second flight. I set up for landing by flying a fairly wide pattern. Crossing the numbers at about 30 feet I could tell I was a bit fast so I did a go-around. I went back to 1600 feet, slowed down and tried the speed brake. Bringing it down a bit at a time I started to get mild airframe buffet at less than half down but it didn't seem to get any worse at full down (near 90 degrees) and it brought my speed down nearly 10K's when deployed. I decided to use it on the second approach. I made another wide pattern, set up a stable approach, and adjusted power as needed. This one looked a lot better. I rode it all the way down to the flare. I leveled off a bit high but held it there. It started to settle and and I continued to hold the nose up. Video showed the tailwheel touching with the mains about 2 feet off the runway so I got a very short bounce when they hit. I have 30 inch gear legs so you can imagine the AOA this thing was holding. The bounce looked to be about 6 inches or so. It settled down and so did I after I realized I was safely on the ground again. They say your first landing will be your best on your homebuilt. I hope that's not the case with this one. I managed to kiss the 601 on the day before. Once I get comfortable with the landings this thing is going to be a blast. Now if the weather will just clear. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:02:51 -0800 From: "Douglas Dorfmeier" To: KRNet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Foldable Wing Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7 I recently rejoined KR Net after about a two year absence. I remember reference to a folder wing. Does anyone out there have a reference to a folding wing? _________________________________________________________________ Don’t worry if your Inbox will max out while you are enjoying the holidays. Get MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 07:23:54 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: RE: KR>Flight report Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8 I've sent Larry a private email so I'll spare that here. A trick for a heavy wing learned by the "metal side" is to squeeze the aileron of the heavy wing. If one would want to avoid using a fixed trim tab on a glass airplane the cure would be to reduce the trailing edge radius of the heavy wing aileron . Some RVer will go so far as to blunt the light wing aileron. A good reason not to paint the aileron prior to flying. In my case it would be no problem as one simply pads two boards and squeezes away. It doesn't take much, this is very, very common thing on RV first flights and is cured easily by this method. It's take just a little more time on a KR but it works. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year — six months @$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 08:33:17 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>more flight report Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031214083317.00862660@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 9 >A trick for a heavy wing learned by the "metal side" is to squeeze the >aileron of the heavy wing. If one would want to avoid using a fixed trim >tab on a glass airplane the cure would be to reduce the trailing edge radius >of the heavy wing aileron . >Dana Overall +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= Thanks Dana. As I was reading e-mail I recalled that my right fuel gauge is showing more fuel then the left. I guess I need to drain the fuel, check the gauge calibration, and make my fuel load equal on both sides. The wing heavy problem is so minor that I could overlook it as easily as fix it. I feel no pressure on the stick and only noticed it when I took my hand off the stick for an extended period. As to the ball off center, I recall taking my feet off the rudder peddals and it moved back toward the center. It will take several flights to figure out what is really happening and determine if any fix is required. After doing two "first flights" in two days on two different aircraft I'll share another observation. We are not professional test pilots and I'm convinced that when you apply full power for the first takeoff your brain goes to "idle"! It must be your bottom side puckering and sucking all the blood out of your head. Whatever it is you'll be amazed how many items you didn't observe, things you didn't notice, and for the most part just thinking, "now what"? It doesn't seem to matter how prepared you think you are, it will happen. Your high speed taxi test will tell you if you have directional contol. On the first takeoff, when you get to flying speed, use only enough back stick to lift off. If you don't have to move the stick in the first two or three seconds the aircraft is probably controllabe and will fly. Try to relax and climb to altitude. When you level out check the engine gauges. If everything is in the green just fly for a few minutes and then start to get the feel of controls. At that point don't worry about anything but the engine instruments and flying the airplane. Once you're comfortable on the controls,and with plenty of altitude, start getting into some slowflight and see how the airplane handles on the low end and start thinking about landing. Don't try to test any other systems other then the controls and the throttle. If the engine is performing well and in the green don't rush back to land. Fly a wide enough approach so you can keep things steady and you aren't rushed. Try to get it back on the ground without hurting yourself or breaking anything. If you accomplish all that go put the airplane back in the hangar and savour the moment. From that point start planning your flight test program and establish some discipline for your next flights. That's what I hope to accomplish and hope to have some performance numbers for you in the near future. My wife gave me a card to open before my first flight. It had a picture of a small boy flying a model in an open field. The text on the card read " If your dream takes flight - follow it". I can only add, "keep building - it will happen"! Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:40:11 EST From: Flymaca711689@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>revflow allieson fix,s for rich lean problem Message-ID: <10d.2dccb64f.2d0dde5b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 Hi all I went looking at the archives but I cant find the guys that have made a vortices generator behind the carb to correct for the different runner size making it rich on the long runner. If someone has a photo of what they have come up with I love to see it. what's going on now with mine its fine if you tune it to one or the other 100 ll or 93 pump gas i go on a cross county top off with av. gas and it gets rich on the rt. bank goes from 1150 1200 rt. and left down to 900,850 on climb out rt bank and i have to play with it trying to bring it back up but after four hours of flight i have to clean or replace plugs drain the mix and put back 93 and its right back1150 1200 normal . im useing the revflow and great planes intake billy mcfarland flymaca711689@aol.com n1055a flying based 2w6 st marys maryland ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:14:43 EST From: Flymaca711689@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>revflow allieson fix,s for rich lean problem Message-ID: <20.1e8fb5de.2d0df483@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 amend the rt left pilots side is the rich bank sorry ! mac ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:26:55 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Flight report Message-ID: <003801c3c267$78c062c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20031213223654.00894100@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 Larry, What size prop are you running? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" _______________________________________________ > N211LF has "officially" taken to the air! > >I was only getting about > 2200 rpm from the engine and that concerned me but > the power was smooth. I may have too much prop. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 08:55:23 -0900 From: Thomas Brock To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Want to Purchase A Completed KR2 Message-ID: <3FDCA405.580471D5@arctic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 Hi everyone, My name is Thomas Brock. I'm a kindergarten teacher living in remote Alaska. After a 20 year delay due to family circumstances, I want to finish my study toward a pilot's license. I am looking to build student flying time toward my license. I want to buy an aircraft that is an alternative to the C150, Tomahawks, etc. From my limited research, it looks like a KR2 would work for me. I don't have the facility nor the time to build my own plane so I appeal to the list members to help me find one that is already flying and ready to go. Here is what I need. A KR2 that will seat myself and a flight instructor. Probably an older vintage aircraft. My budget is only $14,000. The cosmetic appearance does not have to be perfect, but the aircraft needs to be in good mechanical shape so that my instructor will feel safe enough to teach me in this airplane. If any of you have a KR2 that would fit these requirements, please contact me off the list. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THIS PURCHASE BEFORE CHRISTMAS IF AT ALL POSSIBLE! Thank you in advance for your prompt response. Happy Holidays to all, Thomas Brock Sr. Aniak, Alaska ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:17:21 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Flight report Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031214121721.00868840@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <003801c3c267$78c062c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20031213223654.00894100@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14 >Larry, >What size prop are you running? >Mark Jones (N886MJ) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I'm running an Ed Sterba 60D X 68P. On my second flight I'll have to confirm I was using full power. I'm sure the throttle linkage is correct and I can get full throttle as that was one of the items checked on the final inspection. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:24:20 -0600 From: larry flesner To: tbsr@arctic.net,KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Want to Purchase A Completed KR2 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031214122420.0086c100@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <3FDCA405.580471D5@arctic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 15 > >I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THIS PURCHASE BEFORE CHRISTMAS IF AT >Thomas Brock Sr. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ It sounds like you have the resources to get what you're looking for but I'd advise against rushing such an important decision. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:59:07 -0500 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>New Builder Message-ID: <20031214.133200.556.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16 NO MOD'S. Build and get flying and enjoying the plane, Virg On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:24:17 -0600 "Tyler" writes: > I just had to ask the seasoned builters out there. If given a fresh > set > of KR-2S plans what are some of the mod's that you would start > planing > from, in the begining Engine - Wings - Strobs - Flaps - Props - LD > Gear > - Prephab Parts - Timesavers - Weight Savers!! That kinda stuff. > Thanks! > Tyler > tylerlsmith@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:43:59 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Aileron trim was KR>Flight report Message-ID: <3353408.1071427439845.JavaMail.root@scooter.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 17 So you are saying that you should sand a bigger radius on the sharp trailing edge of the heavy aileron? Can you do the whole wing also so the aileron doesn't wind up different than the wing? I have been thinking about how to tim my ailerons for a while because I go into a steep left turn if I let go of my stick. I have the same problem with an empty left wing tank and a full right tank and with a passenger that weighs more than me so it is nor just a weight problem. I did some observing last week and with just me in the plane my left aileron is down about 1/4" at the trailing edge in level flight. It is not really a big problem because the stick forces are so light that you don't really notice that you are constantly holding right aileron. The most annoying thing about it is that I have a hell of a time holding the plane level with my left knee when I need to flip the sectional. I have come up with a few solutions that I was going to try on my plane. The first one was to loosen the wing attach bolts and retighten them while someone was twisting the wing tip in the correct direction. I realize that this idea sounds rediculous at first, but a quarter inch aileron is probably only equivalent to a fraction of a degree of wing twist. There isn't a lot of slop in the bolt holes, but you can move the wing tip up and down about a quarter inch before the bolts are tightened. That may be just enough slop to get in a tiny bit of wing twist. Anyway, it is easy to do, doesn't cost anything, and worth a shot before I do something else. My other idea was to put on an adjustable aileron trim tab. That would be easy enough to do just like the elevator trim tab. My third idea was to just put in a spring to pull on the aileron cable in the correct direction. I could also make this a cockpit adjustable trim if I wanted. Any comments on these ideas? Dana Overall wrote: I've sent Larry a private email so I'll spare that here. A trick for a heavy wing learned by the "metal side" is to squeeze the aileron of the heavy wing. If one would want to avoid using a fixed trim tab on a glass airplane the cure would be to reduce the trailing edge radius of the heavy wing aileron . Some RVer will go so far as to blunt the light wing aileron. A good reason not to paint the aileron prior to flying. In my case it would be no problem as one simply pads two boards and squeezes away. It doesn't take much, this is very, very common thing on RV first flights and is cured easily by this method. It's take just a little more time on a KR but it works. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:28:18 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" To: engalt@earthlink.net, krnet@mylist.net Subject: RE: Aileron trim was KR>Flight report Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 18 >From: Brian Kraut > >So you are saying that you should sand a bigger radius on the sharp >trailing edge of the heavy aileron? Can you do the whole wing also so the >aileron doesn't wind up different than the wing? > Let me rephase it. The RV guys, who have a heavy wing, squeeze the trailing edge of the heavy wing aileron to eliminate the wing drop. It doesn't take much of a change to make a difference. Does this one explain it any better. Doing the entire wing?? Remember, it doesn't take much of a reduction to raise the heavy wing. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Browse styles for all ages, from the latest looks to cozy weekend wear at MSN Shopping. And check out the beauty products! http://shopping.msn.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 249, Issue 1 *************************************