From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 265, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: 400 pound scales (bill kirkland) 2. RE: Accident report. (Ron Freiberger) 3. mechanical brakes (Oscar Zuniga) 4. Calendar cost (Steve and Lori McGee) 5. Re: 400 pound scales (Brian Kraut) 6. Canopy Hinges (robert cooper) 7. Re: Canopy Hinges (Mark Langford) 8. Fw: KR>Tailwheel Size (Norm Seel) 9. Re: mechanical Go-kart brakes (Scott Cable) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 15:16:02 -0500 From: "bill kirkland" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>400 pound scales Message-ID: <009c01c3ce48$9a15e840$02488a3f@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> References: <24d001c3cc99$ff291190$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 Mark et all; A friend of mine befriended a mobile crew from the Ministry of highways dept. and when advised what he wanted volunteered to come over and bring their portable scales. accurate to the oz. Cost him a bottle of rye. W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND wkirkland@rogers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR>400 pound scales > NetHeads, > html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:24:58 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "KRnet" Subject: RE: KR>Accident report. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <370D915E4564D611B0530050DABB9FC2019028B8@SIC-EXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 It's clear to me that it was because he had not filed a flight plan!! ;o) I wonder how much the FAA spent on this investigation?? Ron Freiberger mailto: r.freiberger at earthlink.net r dot freiberger.... get it? Mark Jones gave us this "pointer". Just reviewing the FAA accident reports for December and see that Ed Baker crashed his KR-2 on 12-21 in Georgia. Minor injury only, thank goodness. Here is the report link: http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20031224X02084 &key=1 _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:09:44 -0600 From: "Oscar Zuniga" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>mechanical brakes Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3 Netters; Someone asked recently about mechanical brakes. Be aware that there are some disk brake solutions from our go-kart friends. I know of at least one very clean installation of these brakes, on Mike Cuy's award-winning Pietenpol. He used the brakes from Manco kart (see at http://www.gokartsupply.com/discbr.htm ) but machined his own disks. You can also find components to make your own setup, at places like http://www.mfgsupply.com/GoMiniBrakesDisc.html/mv_session_id=DHeYoa3L . The mechanical disk brake setup basically uses a cam action to force the pucks onto the disk as the lever is pulled. You can see this in the picture on the first webpage mentioned above. Pietenpols can gross in the 1100 lb. range but land fairly slow and many (like Mike's) use large diameter spoked wheels and motorcycle tires. Just another possibility for those not wanting to mess with hydraulic fluid, tubing, hydraulic cylinders, and the rest of it. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Expand your wine savvy — and get some great new recipes — at MSN Wine. http://wine.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 18:06:52 -0600 From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: Subject: KR>Calendar cost Message-ID: <003e01c3ce68$d43612a0$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 OK here is the deal. The calendar is $20+5 for the gathering, plus = shipping. There is no discount to making them in bulk. So not knowing = exact mailing cost to each, they are a total of $30 with the leftover to = the gathering fund. ( High I know) Plus there will be NO date stuff on = the months as to what is going on in aviation that month. I am deleting my e-mails to all who sent me notice that they wanted = one. Instead send me a check to notify me you want one. Sorry for any = dissapointment I may have caused you and your family and loved ones. = Pet the dog for me. Throw the cat out. Shoot the bird if you have one. = Steve McGee =20 PO Box 17 Endeavor, WI 53930 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 20:37:55 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>400 pound scales Message-ID: <9511677.1072748279997.JavaMail.root@daisy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 I bought two Taylor 330 pound scales at Wal Mart. I think they were around $40 each. We have a very accurate, but not very mobile, digital scale for weighing pallets at work so I brought about 350 pounds of cement blocks to work to calibrate the scales. I weighed all the blocks and wrote the weights on them. Then I put blocks on the scale and turned the adjustment on the scale to calibrate it at about 350 pounds. I found that you can't just adjust the scale at zero and expect it to be accurate at 350 pounds (It was about seven pounds off if I remember correctly), but with it adjusted at 350 pounds I could add and remove blocks in the range of 300-400 pounds and have it always read with an accuracy of about one pound. I brought all the marked blocks with me to the airport so I could double check the calibration before and after weighing the plane. I was looking for a link for the model I have and I came accross two other Taylor scales that are rated for 400 pounds, which means that they will likely be accurate to at least 450 if they are calibrated. Here is the link: http://www.housewarereviews.com/Bath/Bath_Scale/Bath_Scale_10.html. The models ate the 0906-6072 and 0907-6072. I don't know what the model number of the 330 pound one I have is since it is not written on the scale, but it looks like the 400 pound models. If the like doesn't work, just search Yahoo for taylor 400 scale or taylor 330 scale. There are a bunch of links. I used a small digital bathroom scale I found at Wal Mart for the tailwheel because it read to .1 pound and gave me accurate readings down to 15 pounds. Mark Langford wrote: NetHeads, WW's revelation that there was such a thing as a 400 pound "freight" scale got me looking. I'd been looking for inexpensive scales with more than a 300 pound range for months, but searches turned up thousands UNDER 300, which are hard to sort through. I found the jewel below at Office Max for $140 (see link below), which is a whole lot less than the thousand bucks I was used to seeing for "real" scales. This thing looks perfect for engine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:34:54 -0500 From: "robert cooper" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Canopy Hinges Message-ID: <410-220031223033454780@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6 Mark Lankford Do you still have the CAD file of your canopy hinges? Can they be plotted on graph paper? I don't have a CAD program and I am CAD illiterate. Robert J. (Jack) Cooper kr2cooper@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.From flesner@midwest.net Tue Dec 30 04:25:17 2003 Received: from capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.180]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AbIw0-0008f1-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 04:25:16 -0800 Received: from dsc03-cir-oh-207-222-73-124.rasserver.net ([207.222.73.124] helo=larry-flesner) by capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AbIlS-00069E-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 04:14:23 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20031230060702.007b4730@pop.midwest.net> X-Sender: flesner@pop.midwest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 06:07:02 -0600 To: KRnet From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR>Tailwheel Size In-Reply-To: <3FEF7A08.000005.02440@Computer> References: <3.0.6.32.20031228181026.00794ea0@pop.midwest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: >Aviation Products Inc >(805) 646-6042 114 Bryant St Ojai CA 93023 >Larry Flesner ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++> Do you know if they have a web address? >Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I thought so but couldn't find it with a web search. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 06:57:27 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Canopy Hinges Message-ID: <01b201c3ced4$7a17e200$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> References: <410-220031223033454780@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 Jack Cooper wrote: > Do you still have the CAD file of your canopy hinges? Can they be plotted on graph paper? I don't have a CAD program and I am CAD illiterate.< Jack, there's a jpg of the drawing at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/khinge.jpg , and a few more details of the installation about half way down http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/misc.html . I guess I need to put that stuff on the canopy page rather than in miscellaneous. I believe I've made a pdf file of the hinges themselves, but it's at home, and I'm at work. I'll try to remember to email them to you tonight, and I really should put a link to those from the canopy page as well. If I forget, remind me... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:34:32 -0800 From: "Norm Seel" To: "Krnet" Subject: Fw: KR>Tailwheel Size Message-ID: <000701c3cef2$cdf99800$e6c12304@dslverizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 4:07 AM Subject: Re: KR>Tailwheel Size try this:http://www.aviationproducts.net/ > >Aviation Products Inc > >(805) 646-6042 114 Bryant St Ojai CA 93023 > >Larry Flesner > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++> > Do you know if they have a web address? > > >Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > I thought so but couldn't find it with a web search. > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 06:44:01 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>mechanical Go-kart brakes Message-ID: <20031230144401.53418.qmail@web40808.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 9 Oscar: As a long time kart racer, I feel fairly qualified to answer this: There was a thread about a year ago on this same subject: a KR builder was asking about the Enginetics single sided full circle disc brakes. The person that posted the subject was needing info, and complained about the lack of performance (in-ability to stop short) Kart brakes of this type really don't work well with a KR, or other high speed aircraft because in order to work properly, a less than .015 gap must be maintained. Another reason is Kart brakes are designed to haul a maximum of 400 lbs down to a stop, repeatedly, from slower speeds. A KR weighs at least twice that amount. (aircraft, pilot, passenger and fuel). They are compact and light weight, and I could see why a builder might be tempted to use them. They are hydraulic also, use a master cylinder, tubing and the rest.... But they are a maintenence headache that require contant attention. Ok for racing karts because they are continually maintained. Not so good for an airplane. As far as Manco goes, I'd never trust anything they made to be put on an airplane, their junk isn't even adequate for fun karts that kids ride around in backyards. Just my two cents worth... --- Oscar Zuniga wrote: > Netters; > Just another possibility for those not wanting to > mess with hydraulic fluid, > tubing, hydraulic cylinders, and the rest of it. ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 265, Issue 1 *************************************